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(Army Times)   "Microsoft has single handedly alienated the entire military. And not just the U.S. military - the militaries of the entire world," says naval aviator Jay Johnson   (armytimes.com) divider line 86
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2013-06-14 09:20:38 PM
12 votes:

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."
2013-06-14 09:43:53 PM
6 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.
2013-06-14 09:25:51 PM
6 votes:
Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

/ now, if you filthy peasants will excuse me, I have to get back to gaming on my PC
2013-06-14 09:44:41 PM
4 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


I take it you've never been on deployment. There's lots of work between drills, maintenance, and watch. Double if you're a nuke. What little time off is spent qualifying (if you're a nub), sleeping, working out, sleeping, reading, sleeping, and playing Xbox. It helps keep the stress at bay, especially after several months doing circles off the coast of some hot sandy place on the opposite side of the world.
2013-06-14 09:36:45 PM
4 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


That's right, they should be worked 24/7 with no time off for months at a time. Idiot.
2013-06-14 10:18:38 PM
3 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


When the civil war starts, you should be shot in the face.  Twice.
2013-06-14 09:59:14 PM
3 votes:
I can see where this would be a real problem on aircraft carriers... 4500+ people, ship's company plus air wing, dozens of division, and probably one console for every 20 people plus laptop PC's you can store into the smallest space... and lots of opportunities to trade games. Put all those people on a 6 month deployment, and there most definitely will be trading... there has to be. Microsoft cuts that off, they lose their some of their most hardcore customers - young men with disposable income in their pockets and plenty of time on their hands.

They done f*cked up this time.
/srsly
2013-06-14 09:38:56 PM
3 votes:

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


They should shoot a commercial where a truck rolls up into a MOB, guys in polos and khakis starting hauling out PS4s and hooking them up in the barracks and tents.
"Yeah, you guys can take these anywhere.  You just need power and a TV."
(off center shot of one of the polo guys answering a soldier in fatigues "No, you don't need the Internet.")
Closing shot:  group of soldiers in a dark tent, whooping and hollering.  Do it, Sony.  Do it.
2013-06-14 09:29:53 PM
3 votes:
karenjlloyd.com
2013-06-14 09:23:36 PM
3 votes:

remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.


I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.
2013-06-14 08:57:03 PM
3 votes:
"When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.
2013-06-15 01:18:00 PM
2 votes:

BigMevy: While I realize I've been out for a while, there were gaming systems when I was in the military and had to go to the desert.  That said, we never saw them.  At most we were lucky to have a TV and VCR for watching movies during down-time.  But mostly we worked out, played cards and dominoes, read books, and otherwise entertained ourselves.

So I guess what I'm saying is, they'll get over it.  The military is not entitled to having the latest and greatest gaming system while deployed.  They will adapt and overcome.


And their way to "adapt and overcome" will be to buy a PS4.
2013-06-15 07:30:09 AM
2 votes:

omeganuepsilon: FPS on a PC is easymode. Point and click. My 8 year old niece can do that. That's what PC fanatics say the most, "the mouse is superior"....because it is easier to be precise with it. You can headshoot all day long with your sniper, so can 12 year olds on a PC, it's not that difficult.

Now, a universal xbox controller, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to headshot(minus CoD's broke-dick quick scope mechanic), and allows more for skill, in that it's standardized.

Jock-ularity aside:
That's what I always thought was entertaining. PC people think they're superior, yet often get trounced with the more difficult analog stick and level playing field, and never really understand why.


So... you still get beaten by mouse-and-keyboard users in terms of accuracy and precision, but because you voluntarily use this horribly imprecise, low-sensitivity input method it somehow makes you better than them?

The only reason PC users get "trounced" on the "level playing field" of using an analog stick controller is because they're horribly unfamiliar with it.  That's not a measure of any skill other than the skill of using an analog stick.  Here, let me put it to you another way:
  1.bp.blogspot.com

"Playing piano with your fingers is easymode. Point and press. My 8 year old niece can do that. That's what pianists say the most, "fingers are superior"....because it is easier to be precise with them. You can play Moonlight Sonata on your piano, so can 12 year olds, it's not that difficult.

Now, your toes, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to play scales, and allows more for skill."

Do you see how dumb that sounds?  Playing piano with your toes doesn't show you have more skill, it just shows that for some reason you've learned to play with different, less suitable appendages.  Similarly, criticizing other pianists for not being able to do it (and calling them unskilled) just makes you look insane.  Of course most pianists don't know how to play with their toes, why on earth would anyone voluntarily use their toes to play piano if they didn't have to?

I'm very sorry that your FPS skills have all been formed around an archaic, dodgy input method.  It's nice that you manage as well as you do, but stop trying to tell the rest of us that we've got no talent because we used logic and opted for the most responsive, precise, and useable control method we could find.
2013-06-15 03:08:02 AM
2 votes:

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.

You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.


Hopefully consumers are smart enough to send Microsoft a message.
2013-06-15 02:10:30 AM
2 votes:

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody


If I was Microsoft CEO, the entirety of the XBox division would be nuked from orbit after this week.
2013-06-15 12:29:18 AM
2 votes:
and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".
2013-06-14 11:19:46 PM
2 votes:
A world without Microsoft AND EA in the near future? Muther farking Christmas around here...
2013-06-14 10:14:15 PM
2 votes:
Xboxs on my motherfarking submarine.

When I'm not busy shooting at sand wops and the evil Osamas of the world I can kick back and shoot me up some sand wops and Osamas of the world right down here in the deep deep.

Yalm sayin'?

i54.tinypic.com
2013-06-14 10:08:06 PM
2 votes:

JolobinSmokin: If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


And not big enough of an education department.
2013-06-14 09:59:15 PM
2 votes:
The thing that's really funny is that pretty much every next-gen game will be a multi-platform release.

Will developers force the PS4 to use their DRM? Or will the measures exist ONLY on the XBone?

If the PS4 will not ever phone home, will developers just not bother putting the feature in their games and the XBone will never use these features except in exclusives?

The PS4 won't require an eye toy, so you already know games won't use Kinect by and large.

So......yeah.
2013-06-14 09:57:58 PM
2 votes:
FTFA - "Even when the Xbox One is in sleep mode, its built-in microphone can always listen in. It's a feature developers say will provide quick voice-command access to games and apps - but that could spook commanders who might worry the always-connected device could also capture more than just idle chit-chat among troops."

I had not even considered this.  Yeah that sucker is going to get banned in a lot of environments even if the internet and second hand game issue did not kill it outright for military personnel.  Why second hand games here you ask?  When a friend of mine and co-worker of mine shipped over to Iraq in 2007 a bunch of us that worked with him got together and sent over a xbox 360 and 15 games.  His unit had continuous elements deployed from 2004 on in 3 month rotations.  He ended up going 5 times and only stopped when he retired in 2009.  Our only instruction was these stay over there when you come back in the rec room for the next group, it comes home when you unit it done.  His medical unit was one of the last out.  The original 360 had died a couple of years ago.  The last game disk that was working is in a case on the wall in his old unit's stateside HQ (along with some other care package items they said made a difference like phone cards, a couple books, etc..)  Yeah being able to transfer it to one person after you leave might be a deal breaker.

The only thing stopping Sony from completely crushing MS on this would be if they went back to their third party developers and said, "Shut the fark up you dumb shiats.  You don't get to ban used games, period!  And we all are going to make a ton of money because of it."

/And by crush I do not mean win, out sell, of be more popular.  I mean buy the various "former" Microsoft Games offices around the work just to paint Sony on it then tear it down crush.
2013-06-14 09:29:28 PM
2 votes:
They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.
2013-06-14 09:27:44 PM
2 votes:

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


Arguments for it revolve around forcing the resell market to pay game publishers every time a game changes hands, offloading processing power of the games to a distributed computing network to theoretically improve performance and denying the ability of the more technically inclined users to make unauthorized modifications to the device.

My argument against it is focused on the fact that I resent being treated as a potential criminal by a device I use to have fun with.  If my bike phoned the police department each time I rode it to ensure I was still authorized to ride it, I would be equally miffed.
2013-06-15 04:37:50 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Apple don't require any protection against bootleg copies of their OS since you need one of their computers to instal it on.


That isn't entirely true. Besides, the complete 64 bit unlimited edition of OS X is $30.
2013-06-15 04:26:28 PM
1 votes:

Electrify: Finally, the ultimately irony here is that this will mean that a larger chunk of people buying X1s will be pirates who will break the DRM and play whatever they want.


This.  I really want this thing to be cracked wide open.  I missed out on the original XBOX mods that allowed HDD ripping and other perks, as well as the PS2 w/ linux.  360 was pretty tight.

I'd love to see either of these new consoles opened.  I don't pirate games, but love the flexibility and novelty.
2013-06-15 03:12:16 PM
1 votes:
You know, I stood by Microsoft with the removal of the Start button. I've been using computers and other GUIs for too long to not know how to adapt to the latest design (full disclosure: I don't have Windows 8, but if I were to get a new PC it would probably be on it and I would get used to it).

But this is just too stupid. I don't even share or trade my games very often, but I can see just how anti-consumer this move really is. It isn't even about stopping piracy anymore, it is about the publisher rewriting the rules to their exclusive benefit.

People like to compare this to Steam, but that is a digital download. I also get the benefit that my licenses are up in the cloud, so I can load them on any PC I want simply by logging in. While the X1 does have some of these benefits, I believe MS has said that adding or changing a Live account on these systems is not easy. A better comparison would be PC software which limits the number of installs by calling home, but that is why the retail PC market continues to suffer in favour of digital downloads.

PERHAPS if Microsoft made game cards with activations codes the primary way of distributing games, they would have an argument. But even if they switched to that immediately, they have opened a Pandora's Box.

Finally, the ultimately irony here is that this will mean that a larger chunk of people buying X1s will be pirates who will break the DRM and play whatever they want. Meanwhile legitimate consumers will buy a PS4 which has fair and reasonable copy protections.
2013-06-15 02:49:57 PM
1 votes:

Zenith: hadn't thought of this point before and clearly neither had Microsoft and I can think of another bunch of guys with some time and money on their hands and that's the offshore industry (especially in the North Sea in Europe) no xbox ones will work on the rigs, support vessels and barges either.
oops


You are 100% correct on this. As a former service member and and a current offshore worker (ROV/ Subsea robotics) they can eat a bag of dicks. I spend 6 months out of the year on an offshore installation. We work 12 hour shifts with 12 hours downtime. I currently have an xbox360 and a wii that I leave offshore. Our internet is spotty at best (roughly 500 BYTES to 6k download speeds). It is good enough to check emails and Fark around but not much else. Looks like they will not be getting any more of my cash.

I am also not a Sony fan. They look good right now just because their direct competitor looks so bad. I guess I will be sticking with my wii u and 3ds.
2013-06-15 01:55:29 PM
1 votes:

Sandwyrm: Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.


Just to make it clear, Sony operates each division seperately, the divisions have almost no central control. So Sony Gaming being good guys right now has nothing to do with Sony Music or Sony Movies divisions. Its the reason you saw Sony Electronics release DVD copying equipment while Sony Music was trying to rootkit anything who thought about copying their music.
2013-06-15 01:14:18 PM
1 votes:
I don't get paid to sit around and play Xbox at my job.

But then, I get to come home every night, the risk of death is basically zero, and the risk of PTSD nearly as low.
2013-06-15 01:11:30 PM
1 votes:
While I realize I've been out for a while, there were gaming systems when I was in the military and had to go to the desert.  That said, we never saw them.  At most we were lucky to have a TV and VCR for watching movies during down-time.  But mostly we worked out, played cards and dominoes, read books, and otherwise entertained ourselves.

So I guess what I'm saying is, they'll get over it.  The military is not entitled to having the latest and greatest gaming system while deployed.  They will adapt and overcome.
2013-06-15 01:06:11 PM
1 votes:
The problem for Microsoft on this issue is a lot worse than losing military members as customers.... they also lose their families, and their extended families and friends by word-of-mouth. Military families tend to be pretty loyal to the cause, so to speak.

Also, you'll lose the easy money purchases - servicemen fresh out of boot camp, with a fistful of cash.

...and what about those leaving service? You think they'll easily forget how Microsoft screwed them over while they were IN the service?

You are talking about a group of people (servicemen and women, their family and friends) intensely loyal to CAUSES - a group of people who are extremely sensitive to BETRAYAL = and Microsoft has given them a cause because of its betrayal of men in uniform, performing the most hazardous duty for their country.
2013-06-15 11:43:25 AM
1 votes:
Navy doesn't need to relax from shooting things. Navy needs downtime from having to needlessly clean things to make work and being stuck in a ship with the same people for months on end.
2013-06-15 11:00:22 AM
1 votes:
hadn't thought of this point before and clearly neither had Microsoft and I can think of another bunch of guys with some time and money on their hands and that's the offshore industry (especially in the North Sea in Europe) no xbox ones will work on the rigs, support vessels and barges either.
oops
2013-06-15 07:10:30 AM
1 votes:
cdn3.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net

/problem solved
2013-06-15 06:46:47 AM
1 votes:

Phil Moskowitz: I know people will buy the XBone, I just have no idea why.


I would have for Killer Instinct, but they farked that up too.
2013-06-15 06:42:58 AM
1 votes:

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


I'm hoping the xbox one is a failure (which it seems to be on track to be) and mattrick takes the fall for it. If there's any justice in this universe, it will happen.
2013-06-15 06:03:00 AM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


As someone explained to me: On patrol You don't actually get to use the guns you're given without creating alot of paperwork.
Because of that many soldiers feel frustrated (on top of being bored and homesick), so the games provide a good outlet to vent on.

Phil Moskowitz: I know people will buy the XBone, I just have no idea why.


Because they'll forget all about this when publishers start dropping call of battle exclusives on it.
The people who make games have been making chunks of money off of DLC and DRM. Microsoft brought the process in house (not unlike the PC did).
Sony left the process up to the publishers.  If microsoft is successful at setting the precedent,  I suspect many offline Sony gamers will get an unpleasant surprise when their games come with registration codes.
It sucks all around, but the market drives the business and the market has been rewarding DRM.

/That said, there should be a way to satisfy the DRM requirement without needing to be online.
/Granted that many places the military deploys do have internet, but they could have made a phone or snail mail workaround.
/Essentially this is registering a game to a user account and letting the machine know. Scratch cards and phone calls should suffice.
2013-06-15 05:26:08 AM
1 votes:

MadSkillz: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.

You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.

When MS couldn't bill me for Xbox Live Gold because the card on there was one I reported lost ( and I was unable to change the billing card on the website, because the website is a piece of shiat), they cut off my entire Live account as well, including stuff I bought on Zune.


When my credit card expired they continued charging me, and I couldn't cancel for a long time, the website wouldn't let me and customer support kept bouncing me around.
2013-06-15 03:46:34 AM
1 votes:

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.

You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.


When MS couldn't bill me for Xbox Live Gold because the card on there was one I reported lost ( and I was unable to change the billing card on the website, because the website is a piece of shiat), they cut off my entire Live account as well, including stuff I bought on Zune.
2013-06-15 02:46:17 AM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


Sorry, all the FPS Gods are on PCs. That's why they don't let PCs and consoles play together: because we'd smoke your ass and you'd ragequit.
2013-06-15 02:19:07 AM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


Just because it's painful to watch the bites, like when you see somen one else get kicked in the nuts....


Guy's, this guy is a renown and obvious troll(if you've been around long enough).

nekulor: Come over to PC land, buddy. We'll show you what it's like to be among the Gods.


But since you went there...(and i want something lighthearted to talk about)

FPS on a PC is easymode.  Point and click.  My 8 year old niece can do that.  That's what PC fanatics say the most, "the mouse is superior"....because it is easier to be precise with it.  You can headshoot all day long with your sniper, so can 12 year olds on a PC, it's not that difficult.

Now, a universal xbox controller, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to headshot(minus CoD's broke-dick quick scope mechanic), and allows more for skill, in that it's standardized.

Jock-ularity aside:
That's what I always thought was entertaining.  PC people think they're superior, yet often get trounced with the more difficult analog stick and level playing field, and never really understand why.

Here's a newsflash.  None of these games require a specific skill.  A person who ranks in the top 90% on console will also do so on PC(sure the odd guy out can't adapt to the different controls, but given time, most can, what you gain with the mouse, you lose on the uncomfortable keyboard).

The difference with most PC games(and exclusive pc gamers), is that you just don't get the vastly varying amount of competition(because, across all games,  you tend to play on a specific few servers with the same people, if not exclusively on your own) as where on a console you can play for weeks and never see the same people twice(unless it's a low population game).  You(collectively, nothing personal here) never really learn to adapt on the fly to the sheer amount of strategic variation that appears in console versions of a game.  You don't deal well with the unexpected, when on console, that's about half of the time.

(compare it to being able to kick the computers ass on the hardest difficulty on Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, but getting pwned by a 9 year old random-button masher)

Sure you get your runs that the "good" guys fall into, everyone establishes a pattern, but to do well you really need to have the best adaptability on top of aim ability.(unless you're in a specific situation, poor map design complemented by quick kill weapons, ie Hard campers  WILL get kills and perform decently with a shotgun aimed in a doorway the whole game, or a sniper watching a single alley with his back to a wall so you can't sneak on him).

If you're a gamer, you can play all formats. If you're really good on one and not the other, you're probably not as much hot shiat as you want to think.
Just sayin'
2013-06-15 02:05:20 AM
1 votes:
This is how it will probably play out

Day 1. users hack Xbox One
Day 2. MS gets rid of online requirements.
Day 3. millions of hacked Xbox ones are bricks.
2013-06-15 01:52:07 AM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.

I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


You think combat is a firefight, but what it usually is is walking or driving along and suddenly something explodes- maybe you. And 99 times out of a hundred there isn't a single thing you can realistically do about it, there's no way to know who's responsible. Once the wounded or killed are taken care of, you carry on with the mission, which is usually to explore the same goddamn third world shiathole neighborhood every day for no obvious reason while patriots and religious fanatics try to kill you. For maybe 15 months straight, maybe 12 or 14 hours a day, maybe 3 days off a month if you're lucky. And kill is the key word; they are not trying to fight. It would be a goddamn relief if they would meet us face to face, but that would be folly on their part, and they know it. They put bombs in the roads and we get informers to rat them out and raid their homes in the dead of night. They almost never resist, and you as a grunt don't usually even know why you're arresting them. The whole thing is so passive aggressive. The worst of it is the lack of agency, though, at least for me. You look for the IEDs, of course, but it becomes clear pretty quickly that you probably won't see it in time. It's all just luck of the draw, and on top of that the men leading you are quite likely to be mealymouthed sycophants or outright lunatics. I spent a year patrolling the town of Abu Ghraib, starting about 2 months after the prison scandal broke, and later on 15 months in the Triangle of Death, and I fired my weapon in anger twice. I was an infantryman. Combat isn't what these games make it out to be, not anymore. Taking a FPS to a war zone is really more like taking a fleshlight to the seventh circle of hell.
2013-06-15 01:44:52 AM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


Come over to PC land, buddy. We'll show you what it's like to be among the Gods.
2013-06-15 01:43:59 AM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".

I can imagine lots of military units on the US not having broadband access everywhere people might want to relax and get some downtime, or want a device that has an always on microphone connected to who knows what. Not to mention the issue with sharing and swapping games.


Lots of military locations have very strict rules about recording devices (especially cameras and microphones), so the mandatory Kinect is right out.
2013-06-15 01:36:09 AM
1 votes:
In all honesty, I don't give a damn that people in the military can't play a f*cking video game system.

I give a damn that this is going to become the new normal in electronic media, I suspect.
2013-06-15 01:29:42 AM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".

Yeah, because if there's one culture of people who don't band together beyond their individual interest, it's the military.


This.

But also, internet coverage on a US base can be spotty or non-existant as well, especially in dormitories where a large amount of people that have internet use it extensively.[ie a lot of concentrated activity can bottleneck]

Another addendum(about dorm life, some applies to colleges and other similar places like kids hospitals and rec centers as mentioned upthread):  There are a lot of console lan parties in dorms(24 hours + with no actual internet).  It's where I got started on console gaming.  Some great weekends spent in the day room with a few carted in TV's(plus the bigscreen) and 8-16 people shooting the shiat out of each other.  Not much gaming during the week unless I had a case of Newgame-itis for an rpg(ala fallout-elder scrolls).  I had internet in my room but didn't have the consoles hooked up, very few of us did.

Would also go weeks without ever doing anything in my room but checking email(and porn, obviously).  15 hour days 7 days a week will do that to you(work, eat, jerk it[if you still had enough energy/often didn't], sleep, shower[if there's time], work).  But if there was a break in there, a day off, or a week of normalcy, I'd want my system to be available on demand.   With the whole "miss a call-in get shut down for a week" I've been hearing about, that'd be terrible.  Wouldn't want to spend half of a very precious off day on the phone with MS customer service in India or whatever you have to do to get around that.
2013-06-15 01:13:43 AM
1 votes:

Surool: sethen320: FTA:
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360..."

MS has gone full retard Balmer.

FIFY


True.
2013-06-15 01:06:42 AM
1 votes:

sethen320: FTA:
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360..."

MS has gone full retard Balmer.


FIFY
2013-06-15 01:01:49 AM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.

That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....


Yeah, that wasn't the point.  I like where you were going, but just admit that you don't have a great grasp on how computers work and don't cover.  It looks bad.
2013-06-15 12:58:13 AM
1 votes:

sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.


That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....
2013-06-15 12:53:00 AM
1 votes:

xellas84: [i.imgur.com image 551x549]


At first I laughed at that picture, but the more I think about it, the more it seems to make MORE SENSE than the goddamn retarded path MS is taking on this.  How sad is it when the conspiracy whackery sounds MORE LOGICAL than your actions?


That... Would be something...
2013-06-15 12:51:13 AM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.


MS doesn't build PCs.
2013-06-15 12:47:04 AM
1 votes:

Virtual Pariah: Microsoft has a huge opportunity to turn this around right now.

Just Imagine,
Big media Blitz. Red, White, and Blue background.

"In Honor of our US servicemen, at home and abroad, Microsoft is proud to announce that all X1 first party titles will be DRM free, and region unlocked."
"In addition, we are implementing a play it anywhere program."
"The X1 will not require internet connectivity to license your games, as long as you have the disc in the tray."

"in addition, All 1st run X1's will have a "Proudly Designed in USA" plate on the front, and include a US Military Avatar costume, free."

BINGO! fixed and we can all get past this mess at no real cost to anybody.


Maybe I'm just jaded, but anytime I see that phrase I immediately think "But built in China"...Kinda off-putting. Better to just put the backward, colorshifted US flag we are using for the military nowadays.

/plus, it would also give NWO freaks an aneurysm.
2013-06-15 12:40:08 AM
1 votes:

stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".


Yeah, because if there's one culture of people who don't band together beyond their individual interest, it's the military.
2013-06-15 12:34:26 AM
1 votes:

stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".


I can imagine lots of military units on the US not having broadband access everywhere people might want to relax and get some downtime, or want a device that has an always on microphone connected to who knows what. Not to mention the issue with sharing and swapping games.
2013-06-15 12:27:56 AM
1 votes:
FTA:
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360..."

MS has gone full retard.
2013-06-15 12:22:18 AM
1 votes:

skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.


This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.
2013-06-15 12:07:01 AM
1 votes:

ferretman: Never thought I'd go back to Playstation....but it's looking more likely every day.


Had a PS1, bought a PS2, but once XBOX came out I was loyal.  Loved the 360.  Now planning on going full PC.
2013-06-14 11:57:37 PM
1 votes:

italie: A world without Microsoft AND EA in the near future? Muther farking Christmas around here...


Christmas?!?

It would be the dawn of a new age.
We might have to change how we record time.

Instead of 2014 A.D. (anno domini), it will change to 1 A.D. (after dickholes)
2013-06-14 11:44:47 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: Lurk sober post drunk: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

They should shoot a commercial where a truck rolls up into a MOB, guys in polos and khakis starting hauling out PS4s and hooking them up in the barracks and tents.
"Yeah, you guys can take these anywhere.  You just need power and a TV."
(off center shot of one of the polo guys answering a soldier in fatigues "No, you don't need the Internet.")
Closing shot:  group of soldiers in a dark tent, whooping and hollering.  Do it, Sony.  Do it.

It should be the most bad ass looking soldiers possible. SpecOps would do.  The game should be the complete opposite, though.  Perhaps one of those dance games.


I was thinking more of your average servicemen, and at the end they're all playing a football game.  Scene fades on an obvious touchdown, some guys for, others against, but all having fun.  America.  Boom.  But, I've never worked in marketing or PR.
2013-06-14 11:39:57 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com


At first I laughed at that picture, but the more I think about it, the more it seems to make MORE SENSE than the goddamn retarded path MS is taking on this.  How sad is it when the conspiracy whackery sounds MORE LOGICAL than your actions?
2013-06-14 11:34:57 PM
1 votes:
Microsoft doesn't seem the least bit surprised by the hate they're getting.  It's as though they've calculated they'll make more money by intentionally alienating customers who don't want to be sheep.
2013-06-14 11:30:09 PM
1 votes:

italie: A world without Microsoft AND EA in the near future? Muther farking Christmas around here...


Could not have said it any better myself.
2013-06-14 11:28:08 PM
1 votes:
Sony has this in the bag right now. Nintendo came out with their oddest controller yet, and Microsoft seems to be channeling Orwell. Even better, they've decided to be snarky about it, and are actually pulling it off.

Official PS4 Used Game Instructional Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
2013-06-14 11:11:43 PM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life


Not really. An FPS is all of the good parts of soldiering with none of the bad. Just action, action, action with zero consequences.

Real soldiering is just endless drills and discipline followed by sudden and extreme bursts of frenetic activity. For every minute of firefight there's 10,000 hours of boredom. And considering how fortified a military base is, you probably have a better chance of being in a fire fight in New York City than stationed in certain bases.
2013-06-14 11:06:16 PM
1 votes:
lol, the hits just keep coming for microsoft.

I can't help but think they saw a lot of this coming in the product inception, but I'm guessing they figured the hard numbers showed those impacted are negligable vs the consumer base with always-on broadband?

The PR fallout is the real issue for them. That's where those assumed customers with broadband start looking at PS4 because consumers are both fickle and cautious with these types of purchases . And it really looks like they didn't plan at all to deal with what should have been an easily foretasted image problem. Complete and utter failure.

Mad_Radhu: Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


Should I have not done that? Was that wrong?

I was going to bring snacks and gatorade, but the store was closed :(
2013-06-14 10:56:51 PM
1 votes:

Virtual Pariah: Microsoft has a huge opportunity to turn this around right now.

Just Imagine,
Big media Blitz. Red, White, and Blue background.

"In Honor of our US servicemen, at home and abroad, Microsoft is proud to announce that all X1 first party titles will be DRM free, and region unlocked."
"In addition, we are implementing a play it anywhere program."
"The X1 will not require internet connectivity to license your games, as long as you have the disc in the tray."

"in addition, All 1st run X1's will have a "Proudly Designed in USA" plate on the front, and include a US Military Avatar costume, free."

BINGO! fixed and we can all get past this mess at no real cost to anybody.


Unfortunately Microsofts entire business model for the XB1 seems to be based around DRM, I just don't see a way for them to dump it at this point.
2013-06-14 10:56:01 PM
1 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


You seem to have strong opinions on things you know nothing about.
2013-06-14 10:24:02 PM
1 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


Geez. It appears that you have seriously farked up in this thread.

You had better watch out for all these pro-military Xbox hatin' gamers out there that are about to take a serious bite out of your ass now that they got the whole Jesus loving Uncle Sams backing them up.
2013-06-14 10:21:26 PM
1 votes:

Dingleberry Dickwad: During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.


Back in my day it was read a book (on average 5-7 per 50 soldiers), play bones, talk about getting laid, dream about getting laid, play spades, or count the minutes to the next chow run.

In this one aspect of military life the kids today have it easy/better.  I couldn't be happier about it.  I hope more the rest is better.  Or at least not worse.
2013-06-14 10:17:19 PM
1 votes:
www.traumaticbraininjury.net

Those will be PS4 controllers soon enough.
2013-06-14 10:15:47 PM
1 votes:

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


If anything he should talk more.  Sony is probably paying him on the side to keep this up.  Sony needs to encourage him to continue speaking and further undermine Microsoft.  Then after that the democrats can hire him to go work for the republicans as the PR person.
2013-06-14 10:06:21 PM
1 votes:

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


So he's not that great at public speaking.  The core of what he's saying is true though.

Mad_Radhu: remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.

I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


90% of the military folks I talk to say that most of their time was spent standing around not shooting at things, walking around not shooting at things, or sitting down not shooting at things.  Hell, one of them spent more time getting mani/pedis at the local salon than he did holding a gun.  The actual shooting part is infrequent.  Within that context, playing an FPS doesn't seem like such a weird thing, especially one with a strong multiplayer component that encourages teamwork.

CygnusDarius: They've alienated everyone.

Hotmail is crap
MSN Messenger is dead (Not that I've used it recently, for a reason)
Windows 8 is a zombie fetus
And the upcoming Xbox One? Well...


They've also just purchased Skype and are haphazardly cramming it and MSN Messenger together like a kid with two different colored globs of play-dough.  I'm sure they'll somehow manage to ruin it within the next year or so.

JohnnyC: There is talk that they may implement a secondary system where you could leave your game disk in the drive and play it without needing an internet connection, but that's still just talk.


See, if they'd done that then it would actually have been kind of a cool system.  Got too many games? Maybe you want to install them to your HDD so you don't have to swap disks.  Your friend wants a copy of your game, but can't get one in line? Loan them the disk and they can pay the publisher direct to install it to their box.

Of course, that system is set up to maximize consumer convenience, which was not the intent of the XBO's DRM scheme.  The intent was to lock the system down so they could prevent piracy, hacking, and modding, and demand a cut of the used games market in the process.
2013-06-14 09:59:26 PM
1 votes:

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


You know how I know you were never in the service?
2013-06-14 09:53:30 PM
1 votes:
If anyone had half a brain at Microsoft, they'd delay til next year and remove the draconian restrictions. There are always morons who will pay more for less machine, but the rest of it will mean their sales will be in the toilet from day 1.
2013-06-14 09:49:40 PM
1 votes:
During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

i thought during downtime most soldiers are busy either being raped or raping someone else
2013-06-14 09:49:17 PM
1 votes:
What an incredible pile of f*ck.
2013-06-14 09:44:09 PM
1 votes:

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


No. It needs to connect to the internet once per 24 hours to update the DRM certificates. People wanted to be able to play games without having to swap disks. So now the games will install on the HDD in the X1 and then you don't need the disk, but you do need to connect to the internet once per day. That's how it currently works. They needed to do something to keep people from just rampant copying/installing of games but still allow them to play without needing the disk in the drive.

There is talk that they may implement a secondary system where you could leave your game disk in the drive and play it without needing an internet connection, but that's still just talk.
2013-06-14 09:43:02 PM
1 votes:

djkutch: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!


I'm trying to figure out if you're really that stupid or just being sarcastic. Pretty much any time we went outside when we were deployed we had to at least wear our body armor with the ceramic plates, even to do PT. And considering that we were in a freaking warzone, gathering in groups to play sports outdoors was somewhat discouraged. During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

Mad_Radhu: I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


You'd be surprised, HALO 2 had just come out while I was downrange and it was pretty popular as well as lan party Unreal Tournament '04, Battlefield Vietnam and Battlefield 2.
2013-06-14 09:34:14 PM
1 votes:
They've alienated everyone.

Hotmail is crap
MSN Messenger is dead (Not that I've used it recently, for a reason)
Windows 8 is a zombie fetus
And the upcoming Xbox One? Well...
2013-06-14 09:33:31 PM
1 votes:

Sandwyrm: Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.


give them a minute... they've already started
2013-06-14 09:31:40 PM
1 votes:
Hey i did it! My first approved thread. Now if i could just get people to talk about Microsoft screwing over these people:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/05/22/get-well-gamers-foundation-up se t-over-xbox-ones-fee-pre-owned-games

In which a charity dedicated to helping connect hospitalized children with consoles and games has been forced to boycott xboxone over their fee for used games policy, then I'd really be happy.

Seriously, Microsoft has really screwed themselves this time.
2013-06-14 09:23:29 PM
1 votes:

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


This plan has merit.
2013-06-14 09:15:49 PM
1 votes:
Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.
2013-06-14 09:13:32 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
 
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