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(Army Times)   "Microsoft has single handedly alienated the entire military. And not just the U.S. military - the militaries of the entire world," says naval aviator Jay Johnson   (armytimes.com) divider line 175
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2013-06-14 08:57:03 PM  
"When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.
 
2013-06-14 09:01:23 PM  
And the failtrain continues full speed ahead.


Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


Maybe he's secretly getting kickbacks from Sony?
 
2013-06-14 09:05:58 PM  
XBox One :  Please, Hack Me.
 
2013-06-14 09:13:32 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-14 09:15:49 PM  
Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.
 
2013-06-14 09:16:50 PM  
I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?
 
2013-06-14 09:20:38 PM  

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."
 
2013-06-14 09:23:29 PM  

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


This plan has merit.
 
2013-06-14 09:23:36 PM  

remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.


I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.
 
2013-06-14 09:25:49 PM  

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!
 
2013-06-14 09:25:51 PM  
Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

/ now, if you filthy peasants will excuse me, I have to get back to gaming on my PC
 
2013-06-14 09:27:44 PM  

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


Arguments for it revolve around forcing the resell market to pay game publishers every time a game changes hands, offloading processing power of the games to a distributed computing network to theoretically improve performance and denying the ability of the more technically inclined users to make unauthorized modifications to the device.

My argument against it is focused on the fact that I resent being treated as a potential criminal by a device I use to have fun with.  If my bike phoned the police department each time I rode it to ensure I was still authorized to ride it, I would be equally miffed.
 
2013-06-14 09:29:28 PM  
They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.
 
2013-06-14 09:29:53 PM  
karenjlloyd.com
 
2013-06-14 09:31:40 PM  
Hey i did it! My first approved thread. Now if i could just get people to talk about Microsoft screwing over these people:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/05/22/get-well-gamers-foundation-up se t-over-xbox-ones-fee-pre-owned-games

In which a charity dedicated to helping connect hospitalized children with consoles and games has been forced to boycott xboxone over their fee for used games policy, then I'd really be happy.

Seriously, Microsoft has really screwed themselves this time.
 
2013-06-14 09:31:55 PM  

Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.
 
2013-06-14 09:33:31 PM  

Sandwyrm: Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.


give them a minute... they've already started
 
2013-06-14 09:34:14 PM  
They've alienated everyone.

Hotmail is crap
MSN Messenger is dead (Not that I've used it recently, for a reason)
Windows 8 is a zombie fetus
And the upcoming Xbox One? Well...
 
2013-06-14 09:36:04 PM  

Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 460x177]


Rachel Maddow still has giant balls I see.
 
2013-06-14 09:36:45 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


That's right, they should be worked 24/7 with no time off for months at a time. Idiot.
 
2013-06-14 09:38:56 PM  

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


They should shoot a commercial where a truck rolls up into a MOB, guys in polos and khakis starting hauling out PS4s and hooking them up in the barracks and tents.
"Yeah, you guys can take these anywhere.  You just need power and a TV."
(off center shot of one of the polo guys answering a soldier in fatigues "No, you don't need the Internet.")
Closing shot:  group of soldiers in a dark tent, whooping and hollering.  Do it, Sony.  Do it.
 
2013-06-14 09:43:02 PM  

djkutch: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!


I'm trying to figure out if you're really that stupid or just being sarcastic. Pretty much any time we went outside when we were deployed we had to at least wear our body armor with the ceramic plates, even to do PT. And considering that we were in a freaking warzone, gathering in groups to play sports outdoors was somewhat discouraged. During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

Mad_Radhu: I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


You'd be surprised, HALO 2 had just come out while I was downrange and it was pretty popular as well as lan party Unreal Tournament '04, Battlefield Vietnam and Battlefield 2.
 
2013-06-14 09:43:53 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:09 PM  

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


No. It needs to connect to the internet once per 24 hours to update the DRM certificates. People wanted to be able to play games without having to swap disks. So now the games will install on the HDD in the X1 and then you don't need the disk, but you do need to connect to the internet once per day. That's how it currently works. They needed to do something to keep people from just rampant copying/installing of games but still allow them to play without needing the disk in the drive.

There is talk that they may implement a secondary system where you could leave your game disk in the drive and play it without needing an internet connection, but that's still just talk.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:09 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


Your point is valid, but here's the other side.  Of the entire deployed military, only a small percentage are actual combat units (the rest being administrative, logistics, etc.).  Of all these combat units, only a small percentage are engaged in a combat role (patrolling and such), the rest are there for backup.  For those who are not in combat roles, you need some way to distract yourself from thinking about home and what your wife/girlfriend is doing.  You can only waste so many hours at the gym before you start going a little kooky, and video games help with that.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:41 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


I take it you've never been on deployment. There's lots of work between drills, maintenance, and watch. Double if you're a nuke. What little time off is spent qualifying (if you're a nub), sleeping, working out, sleeping, reading, sleeping, and playing Xbox. It helps keep the stress at bay, especially after several months doing circles off the coast of some hot sandy place on the opposite side of the world.
 
2013-06-14 09:49:17 PM  
What an incredible pile of f*ck.
 
2013-06-14 09:49:40 PM  
During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

i thought during downtime most soldiers are busy either being raped or raping someone else
 
2013-06-14 09:50:53 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: djkutch: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!

I'm trying to figure out if you're really that stupid or just being sarcastic. Pretty much any time we went outside when we were deployed we had to at least wear our body armor with the ceramic plates, even to do PT. And considering that we were in a freaking warzone, gathering in groups to play sports outdoors was somewhat discouraged. During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

Mad_Radhu: I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.

You'd be surprised, HALO 2 had just come out while I was downrange and it was pretty popular as well as lan party Unreal Tournament '04, Battlefield Vietnam and Battlefield 2.


No, he's right.  Tom Cruise spent most of the movie with his joystick in his hand.  Well, sometimes it was IceMan's joystick, but still ...
 
2013-06-14 09:53:30 PM  
If anyone had half a brain at Microsoft, they'd delay til next year and remove the draconian restrictions. There are always morons who will pay more for less machine, but the rest of it will mean their sales will be in the toilet from day 1.
 
2013-06-14 09:55:00 PM  
Who the hell cares what Ray Jay Johnson thinks?  His schtick sucks.
 
2013-06-14 09:56:56 PM  
Sony, here I come.
 
2013-06-14 09:57:58 PM  
FTFA - "Even when the Xbox One is in sleep mode, its built-in microphone can always listen in. It's a feature developers say will provide quick voice-command access to games and apps - but that could spook commanders who might worry the always-connected device could also capture more than just idle chit-chat among troops."

I had not even considered this.  Yeah that sucker is going to get banned in a lot of environments even if the internet and second hand game issue did not kill it outright for military personnel.  Why second hand games here you ask?  When a friend of mine and co-worker of mine shipped over to Iraq in 2007 a bunch of us that worked with him got together and sent over a xbox 360 and 15 games.  His unit had continuous elements deployed from 2004 on in 3 month rotations.  He ended up going 5 times and only stopped when he retired in 2009.  Our only instruction was these stay over there when you come back in the rec room for the next group, it comes home when you unit it done.  His medical unit was one of the last out.  The original 360 had died a couple of years ago.  The last game disk that was working is in a case on the wall in his old unit's stateside HQ (along with some other care package items they said made a difference like phone cards, a couple books, etc..)  Yeah being able to transfer it to one person after you leave might be a deal breaker.

The only thing stopping Sony from completely crushing MS on this would be if they went back to their third party developers and said, "Shut the fark up you dumb shiats.  You don't get to ban used games, period!  And we all are going to make a ton of money because of it."

/And by crush I do not mean win, out sell, of be more popular.  I mean buy the various "former" Microsoft Games offices around the work just to paint Sony on it then tear it down crush.
 
2013-06-14 09:59:12 PM  

fst_creeper: around the work


crap even previewed and spotted it just after clicking add comment..  That should read "around the world"
 
2013-06-14 09:59:14 PM  
I can see where this would be a real problem on aircraft carriers... 4500+ people, ship's company plus air wing, dozens of division, and probably one console for every 20 people plus laptop PC's you can store into the smallest space... and lots of opportunities to trade games. Put all those people on a 6 month deployment, and there most definitely will be trading... there has to be. Microsoft cuts that off, they lose their some of their most hardcore customers - young men with disposable income in their pockets and plenty of time on their hands.

They done f*cked up this time.
/srsly
 
2013-06-14 09:59:15 PM  
The thing that's really funny is that pretty much every next-gen game will be a multi-platform release.

Will developers force the PS4 to use their DRM? Or will the measures exist ONLY on the XBone?

If the PS4 will not ever phone home, will developers just not bother putting the feature in their games and the XBone will never use these features except in exclusives?

The PS4 won't require an eye toy, so you already know games won't use Kinect by and large.

So......yeah.
 
2013-06-14 09:59:26 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


You know how I know you were never in the service?
 
2013-06-14 10:06:21 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


So he's not that great at public speaking.  The core of what he's saying is true though.

Mad_Radhu: remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.

I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


90% of the military folks I talk to say that most of their time was spent standing around not shooting at things, walking around not shooting at things, or sitting down not shooting at things.  Hell, one of them spent more time getting mani/pedis at the local salon than he did holding a gun.  The actual shooting part is infrequent.  Within that context, playing an FPS doesn't seem like such a weird thing, especially one with a strong multiplayer component that encourages teamwork.

CygnusDarius: They've alienated everyone.

Hotmail is crap
MSN Messenger is dead (Not that I've used it recently, for a reason)
Windows 8 is a zombie fetus
And the upcoming Xbox One? Well...


They've also just purchased Skype and are haphazardly cramming it and MSN Messenger together like a kid with two different colored globs of play-dough.  I'm sure they'll somehow manage to ruin it within the next year or so.

JohnnyC: There is talk that they may implement a secondary system where you could leave your game disk in the drive and play it without needing an internet connection, but that's still just talk.


See, if they'd done that then it would actually have been kind of a cool system.  Got too many games? Maybe you want to install them to your HDD so you don't have to swap disks.  Your friend wants a copy of your game, but can't get one in line? Loan them the disk and they can pay the publisher direct to install it to their box.

Of course, that system is set up to maximize consumer convenience, which was not the intent of the XBO's DRM scheme.  The intent was to lock the system down so they could prevent piracy, hacking, and modding, and demand a cut of the used games market in the process.
 
2013-06-14 10:06:30 PM  

Virtual Pariah: JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.

I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.


Yeah, so when they are not busy shooting shiat, they can relax and be busy shooting shiat.
 
2013-06-14 10:08:06 PM  

JolobinSmokin: If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


And not big enough of an education department.
 
2013-06-14 10:11:40 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


Have you ever been in combat, son?
 
2013-06-14 10:13:00 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

i thought during downtime most soldiers are busy either being raped or raping someone else


Perhaps they're playing games that involve rape? I have no idea. Then again, I had no idea that the entire military does nothing but game when they have downtime.
 
2013-06-14 10:14:15 PM  
Xboxs on my motherfarking submarine.

When I'm not busy shooting at sand wops and the evil Osamas of the world I can kick back and shoot me up some sand wops and Osamas of the world right down here in the deep deep.

Yalm sayin'?

i54.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 10:15:10 PM  

fisker: Virtual Pariah: JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.

I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.

Yeah, so when they are not busy shooting shiat, they can relax and be busy shooting shiat.


You know how I know you've never been in combat?
 
2013-06-14 10:15:47 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


If anything he should talk more.  Sony is probably paying him on the side to keep this up.  Sony needs to encourage him to continue speaking and further undermine Microsoft.  Then after that the democrats can hire him to go work for the republicans as the PR person.
 
2013-06-14 10:15:53 PM  
fisker:

You're wasting your time.  Melinda Gates is not going to sleep with you.
 
2013-06-14 10:17:19 PM  
www.traumaticbraininjury.net

Those will be PS4 controllers soon enough.
 
2013-06-14 10:18:38 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


When the civil war starts, you should be shot in the face.  Twice.
 
2013-06-14 10:21:26 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.


Back in my day it was read a book (on average 5-7 per 50 soldiers), play bones, talk about getting laid, dream about getting laid, play spades, or count the minutes to the next chow run.

In this one aspect of military life the kids today have it easy/better.  I couldn't be happier about it.  I hope more the rest is better.  Or at least not worse.
 
2013-06-14 10:22:09 PM  
Microsoft has a huge opportunity to turn this around right now.

Just Imagine,
Big media Blitz. Red, White, and Blue background.

"In Honor of our US servicemen, at home and abroad, Microsoft is proud to announce that all X1 first party titles will be DRM free, and region unlocked."
"In addition, we are implementing a play it anywhere program."
"The X1 will not require internet connectivity to license your games, as long as you have the disc in the tray."

"in addition, All 1st run X1's will have a "Proudly Designed in USA" plate on the front, and include a US Military Avatar costume, free."

BINGO! fixed and we can all get past this mess at no real cost to anybody.
 
2013-06-14 10:24:02 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


Geez. It appears that you have seriously farked up in this thread.

You had better watch out for all these pro-military Xbox hatin' gamers out there that are about to take a serious bite out of your ass now that they got the whole Jesus loving Uncle Sams backing them up.
 
2013-06-14 10:26:31 PM  
Also,

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


9/10

/But that is an early total, you could pull off a 10/10 if you keep it going by showing the kind of ongoing effort we expect out of a world class troll athlete.
 
2013-06-14 10:28:30 PM  

Mad_Radhu: remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.

I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


Stangest day in my life is looking at some SF guys while we were playing Call of Duty and going, "Dude... didn't you guys... like... just debrief...!?"  As in, they had JUST gotten back from an operation.

Fricken hilarious.  We all play FPS's.  Halo, Call of Duty, Skyrim if we are flying solo that night.  Good times.
 
2013-06-14 10:41:01 PM  
Back when I was in the Corps we spent our downtime beating off to old Hustler magazines. Damn boots these days.
 
2013-06-14 10:46:05 PM  

skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

/ now, if you filthy peasants will excuse me, I have to get back to gaming on my PC


Don't forget the Apple upgrades that are barely upgrades, which Microsoft apparently copied from XBox 360 to XBone
 
2013-06-14 10:49:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


Yeah, if that orgy consists of iron maidens for your penis, or glass rod inserts that are then smashed when inside your penis.

Newsflash:  Getting shot at and shooting people generally isn't considered great fun.  Adrenaline and stimulating, sure, just like being in a severe car crash or in a collapsing skyscraper.

Now, with video games, you get some of that rush and no more danger than dry eyes and maybe tougher skin on your thumbs.
 
2013-06-14 10:55:38 PM  

Chief_ Danz153A: Stangest day in my life is looking at some SF guys while we were playing Call of Duty and going, "Dude... didn't you guys... like... just debrief...!?"  As in, they had JUST gotten back from an operation.


It's either that or toss candies at kids to see if they will fight each-other for them.  Or hit golf balls into the desert.
 
2013-06-14 10:56:01 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


You seem to have strong opinions on things you know nothing about.
 
2013-06-14 10:56:51 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Microsoft has a huge opportunity to turn this around right now.

Just Imagine,
Big media Blitz. Red, White, and Blue background.

"In Honor of our US servicemen, at home and abroad, Microsoft is proud to announce that all X1 first party titles will be DRM free, and region unlocked."
"In addition, we are implementing a play it anywhere program."
"The X1 will not require internet connectivity to license your games, as long as you have the disc in the tray."

"in addition, All 1st run X1's will have a "Proudly Designed in USA" plate on the front, and include a US Military Avatar costume, free."

BINGO! fixed and we can all get past this mess at no real cost to anybody.


Unfortunately Microsofts entire business model for the XB1 seems to be based around DRM, I just don't see a way for them to dump it at this point.
 
2013-06-14 10:59:10 PM  
Better name: GO*-Box

*Named for the man that dreamed all this up, in 1948.
 
2013-06-14 11:02:21 PM  

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


No, it's a check-in once every 24 hours or it locks and you have to do ID verification stuff with MS customer service to get it running again, which effectively means if you unplug the thing for a day it's going to be a week before you can play.

So, yeah, if you're on deployment you're pretty much farked.  Well, not really farked, it's just don't buy an Xbone.  Invest in a nice 500$ paperweight, more exciting interactive content for less money.

//Familiar with XBox customer service turnaround for the obvious reasons.  fark those guys, frankly.
 
2013-06-14 11:03:48 PM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


they also serve who simply stand and wait
why
because when you need them - you need them to be there

now we can argue whether theres too many
but however small or big the military is
boredom will be there
 
2013-06-14 11:06:16 PM  
lol, the hits just keep coming for microsoft.

I can't help but think they saw a lot of this coming in the product inception, but I'm guessing they figured the hard numbers showed those impacted are negligable vs the consumer base with always-on broadband?

The PR fallout is the real issue for them. That's where those assumed customers with broadband start looking at PS4 because consumers are both fickle and cautious with these types of purchases . And it really looks like they didn't plan at all to deal with what should have been an easily foretasted image problem. Complete and utter failure.

Mad_Radhu: Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


Should I have not done that? Was that wrong?

I was going to bring snacks and gatorade, but the store was closed :(
 
2013-06-14 11:11:43 PM  

Mad_Radhu: it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life


Not really. An FPS is all of the good parts of soldiering with none of the bad. Just action, action, action with zero consequences.

Real soldiering is just endless drills and discipline followed by sudden and extreme bursts of frenetic activity. For every minute of firefight there's 10,000 hours of boredom. And considering how fortified a military base is, you probably have a better chance of being in a fire fight in New York City than stationed in certain bases.
 
2013-06-14 11:19:46 PM  
A world without Microsoft AND EA in the near future? Muther farking Christmas around here...
 
2013-06-14 11:28:08 PM  
Sony has this in the bag right now. Nintendo came out with their oddest controller yet, and Microsoft seems to be channeling Orwell. Even better, they've decided to be snarky about it, and are actually pulling it off.

Official PS4 Used Game Instructional Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
 
2013-06-14 11:30:04 PM  

Lurk sober post drunk: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

They should shoot a commercial where a truck rolls up into a MOB, guys in polos and khakis starting hauling out PS4s and hooking them up in the barracks and tents.
"Yeah, you guys can take these anywhere.  You just need power and a TV."
(off center shot of one of the polo guys answering a soldier in fatigues "No, you don't need the Internet.")
Closing shot:  group of soldiers in a dark tent, whooping and hollering.  Do it, Sony.  Do it.


It should be the most bad ass looking soldiers possible. SpecOps would do.  The game should be the complete opposite, though.  Perhaps one of those dance games.
 
2013-06-14 11:30:09 PM  

italie: A world without Microsoft AND EA in the near future? Muther farking Christmas around here...


Could not have said it any better myself.
 
2013-06-14 11:34:57 PM  
Microsoft doesn't seem the least bit surprised by the hate they're getting.  It's as though they've calculated they'll make more money by intentionally alienating customers who don't want to be sheep.
 
2013-06-14 11:39:57 PM  
i.imgur.com


At first I laughed at that picture, but the more I think about it, the more it seems to make MORE SENSE than the goddamn retarded path MS is taking on this.  How sad is it when the conspiracy whackery sounds MORE LOGICAL than your actions?
 
2013-06-14 11:40:11 PM  

Flappyhead: Unfortunately Microsoft's entire business model for the XB1 seems to be based around DRM, I just don't see a way for them to dump it at this point.


But if they back off some now, they'll get customers back because it "isn't so bad" even though it'll still be worse than having no real restrictions.  People will be so relieved they'll flock back in droves.

/just spitballing a possibility here
//they won't relent so it's irrelevant
_____________________________________________________________________ _ ___

As for the DRM to prevent installing the disk and lending the disc out to others(and conceivably of them doing the same).

This could have been done in a variety of ways, primarily back to some hybrid of cartridge/nontamperable read only USB drives/proprietary adapters etc(or an OS that will blank the USB after it verifies the copy).  Freaking things are cheap enough now.

A digital key(however you do it), for all intents and purposes.  Could be like the tiny low profile USB plugs for wireless mice[I have an incredibly tiny 32gig, cost 25bucks].  Just enough info to be a unique ID and a bunch of ports on the unit itself.
(you get a key that has to be plugged in, instead of a disk, or if you opt for disk, you need it in the dvd drive and don't need to be online(standard operating procedure now), and if you opt for tying it to gamertag, it's download only)
It's that kind of versatility they should have went for.

But that would require engineering and effort, god forbid someone innovate here, actually you know, earnthe money(and ergo, repeat customers).

There was much talk(about the 360) of taking your detachable HDD to a kiosk to buy a game and quick zip it to the HDD, and that never worked, a lot of this is an extension of that.  That never worked because they never actually tried to do anything to really implement it to a point of being useful(and again is the case here, partly lazy way out, partly used sales greed).

Someone will come along with the money and the know how and motivation, and consoles that don't adapt will die a horrible death.  I wouldn't be surprised if some other large electronics group pulls it off, like Samsung.(just as an example, don't have faith in them specifically), or if Sony jumps on the idea.

I'd maybe pay extra for something like that.  Less noise as no cd drive is going, lease prone to breakage, etc, game storage(ie cases for discs becomes irrelevant as you can't really ruin a well designed usb, just need a block with dummy plugs for less frequented Gkeys[or widgets, or some more creative name like node, crux, nexus, cypher, core, etc)

Have like 4 ports on the back for common swaps.(In the barracks it'd be CoD, Halo, Battlefield, etc, the better lan party sort of games that support multiplayer).

/the more I think about it, the more I like it
/and it's not even nostalgia for cartridges, those things blew, well, forced us to blow...
/but modern technology has eradicated any problems we had with those things
 
2013-06-14 11:44:47 PM  

OgreMagi: Lurk sober post drunk: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

They should shoot a commercial where a truck rolls up into a MOB, guys in polos and khakis starting hauling out PS4s and hooking them up in the barracks and tents.
"Yeah, you guys can take these anywhere.  You just need power and a TV."
(off center shot of one of the polo guys answering a soldier in fatigues "No, you don't need the Internet.")
Closing shot:  group of soldiers in a dark tent, whooping and hollering.  Do it, Sony.  Do it.

It should be the most bad ass looking soldiers possible. SpecOps would do.  The game should be the complete opposite, though.  Perhaps one of those dance games.


I was thinking more of your average servicemen, and at the end they're all playing a football game.  Scene fades on an obvious touchdown, some guys for, others against, but all having fun.  America.  Boom.  But, I've never worked in marketing or PR.
 
2013-06-14 11:50:09 PM  
Never thought I'd go back to Playstation....but it's looking more likely every day.
 
2013-06-14 11:51:52 PM  

ferretman: Never thought I'd go back to Playstation....but it's looking more likely every day.


Same here.
 
2013-06-14 11:57:37 PM  

italie: A world without Microsoft AND EA in the near future? Muther farking Christmas around here...


Christmas?!?

It would be the dawn of a new age.
We might have to change how we record time.

Instead of 2014 A.D. (anno domini), it will change to 1 A.D. (after dickholes)
 
2013-06-15 12:07:01 AM  

ferretman: Never thought I'd go back to Playstation....but it's looking more likely every day.


Had a PS1, bought a PS2, but once XBOX came out I was loyal.  Loved the 360.  Now planning on going full PC.
 
2013-06-15 12:22:18 AM  

skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.


This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.
 
2013-06-15 12:23:40 AM  
I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.
 
2013-06-15 12:27:56 AM  
FTA:
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360..."

MS has gone full retard.
 
2013-06-15 12:29:18 AM  
and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".
 
2013-06-15 12:32:02 AM  

ScreamingHangover: Sandwyrm: Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.

give them a minute... they've already started


Love it. And that's from someone who has always criticised Sony for all their DRM, weird formats (Memory Stick, Mini Disc, Elcaset, Atrac etc )
 
2013-06-15 12:34:26 AM  

stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".


I can imagine lots of military units on the US not having broadband access everywhere people might want to relax and get some downtime, or want a device that has an always on microphone connected to who knows what. Not to mention the issue with sharing and swapping games.
 
2013-06-15 12:40:08 AM  

stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".


Yeah, because if there's one culture of people who don't band together beyond their individual interest, it's the military.
 
2013-06-15 12:46:12 AM  

Jim_Callahan: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

No, it's a check-in once every 24 hours or it locks and you have to do ID verification stuff with MS customer service to get it running again, which effectively means if you unplug the thing for a day it's going to be a week before you can play.

So, yeah, if you're on deployment you're pretty much farked.  Well, not really farked, it's just don't buy an Xbone.  Invest in a nice 500$ paperweight, more exciting interactive content for less money.

//Familiar with XBox customer service turnaround for the obvious reasons.  fark those guys, frankly.


...Jesus. That's even worse than my most recent understanding of things.

Perhaps, when they refresh the system six months after street date because the failpile's reaches the ISS's current orbiting altitude and remove all of that bullshiat, I might...MIGHT...consider looking at one again.
 
2013-06-15 12:47:04 AM  

Virtual Pariah: Microsoft has a huge opportunity to turn this around right now.

Just Imagine,
Big media Blitz. Red, White, and Blue background.

"In Honor of our US servicemen, at home and abroad, Microsoft is proud to announce that all X1 first party titles will be DRM free, and region unlocked."
"In addition, we are implementing a play it anywhere program."
"The X1 will not require internet connectivity to license your games, as long as you have the disc in the tray."

"in addition, All 1st run X1's will have a "Proudly Designed in USA" plate on the front, and include a US Military Avatar costume, free."

BINGO! fixed and we can all get past this mess at no real cost to anybody.


Maybe I'm just jaded, but anytime I see that phrase I immediately think "But built in China"...Kinda off-putting. Better to just put the backward, colorshifted US flag we are using for the military nowadays.

/plus, it would also give NWO freaks an aneurysm.
 
2013-06-15 12:49:36 AM  

ferretman: Never thought I'd go back to Playstation....but it's looking more likely every day.


You sound poor.

/just kidding, me too.
 
2013-06-15 12:50:58 AM  

Clutch2013: Jim_Callahan: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

No, it's a check-in once every 24 hours or it locks and you have to do ID verification stuff with MS customer service to get it running again, which effectively means if you unplug the thing for a day it's going to be a week before you can play.

So, yeah, if you're on deployment you're pretty much farked.  Well, not really farked, it's just don't buy an Xbone.  Invest in a nice 500$ paperweight, more exciting interactive content for less money.

//Familiar with XBox customer service turnaround for the obvious reasons.  fark those guys, frankly.

...Jesus. That's even worse than my most recent understanding of things.

Perhaps, when they refresh the system six months after street date because the failpile's reaches the ISS's current orbiting altitude and remove all of that bullshiat, I might...MIGHT...consider looking at one again.


Proofreading is a valuable skill, folks.

/goes and sits in the corner
 
2013-06-15 12:51:13 AM  

Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.


MS doesn't build PCs.
 
2013-06-15 12:53:00 AM  

xellas84: [i.imgur.com image 551x549]


At first I laughed at that picture, but the more I think about it, the more it seems to make MORE SENSE than the goddamn retarded path MS is taking on this.  How sad is it when the conspiracy whackery sounds MORE LOGICAL than your actions?


That... Would be something...
 
2013-06-15 12:58:13 AM  

sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.


That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....
 
2013-06-15 12:59:49 AM  
This guy has it all figured out.
 
2013-06-15 01:01:49 AM  

Flint Ironstag: sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.

That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....


Yeah, that wasn't the point.  I like where you were going, but just admit that you don't have a great grasp on how computers work and don't cover.  It looks bad.
 
2013-06-15 01:06:42 AM  

sethen320: FTA:
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360..."

MS has gone full retard Balmer.


FIFY
 
2013-06-15 01:13:43 AM  

Surool: sethen320: FTA:
"Fortunately we have a product for people who aren't able to get some form of connectivity, it's called Xbox 360..."

MS has gone full retard Balmer.

FIFY


True.
 
2013-06-15 01:14:04 AM  
The U.S. has around 1.5 million active duty military personnel.
 
2013-06-15 01:29:42 AM  

Mike_LowELL: stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".

Yeah, because if there's one culture of people who don't band together beyond their individual interest, it's the military.


This.

But also, internet coverage on a US base can be spotty or non-existant as well, especially in dormitories where a large amount of people that have internet use it extensively.[ie a lot of concentrated activity can bottleneck]

Another addendum(about dorm life, some applies to colleges and other similar places like kids hospitals and rec centers as mentioned upthread):  There are a lot of console lan parties in dorms(24 hours + with no actual internet).  It's where I got started on console gaming.  Some great weekends spent in the day room with a few carted in TV's(plus the bigscreen) and 8-16 people shooting the shiat out of each other.  Not much gaming during the week unless I had a case of Newgame-itis for an rpg(ala fallout-elder scrolls).  I had internet in my room but didn't have the consoles hooked up, very few of us did.

Would also go weeks without ever doing anything in my room but checking email(and porn, obviously).  15 hour days 7 days a week will do that to you(work, eat, jerk it[if you still had enough energy/often didn't], sleep, shower[if there's time], work).  But if there was a break in there, a day off, or a week of normalcy, I'd want my system to be available on demand.   With the whole "miss a call-in get shut down for a week" I've been hearing about, that'd be terrible.  Wouldn't want to spend half of a very precious off day on the phone with MS customer service in India or whatever you have to do to get around that.
 
2013-06-15 01:35:30 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


COD?  Really?  That's for kids.  I've never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD.  Come at me on BF4 this fall where the real FPS men are.
 
2013-06-15 01:36:09 AM  
In all honesty, I don't give a damn that people in the military can't play a f*cking video game system.

I give a damn that this is going to become the new normal in electronic media, I suspect.
 
2013-06-15 01:37:21 AM  

sethen320: This guy has it all figured out.


I made it 1min 16seconds.

That's gotta be some kinda record.
 
2013-06-15 01:39:41 AM  

MurphyMurphy: sethen320: This guy has it all figured out.

I made it 1min 16seconds.

That's gotta be some kinda record.


Yeah, I didn't get that far.
 
2013-06-15 01:41:30 AM  

remus: Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.

COD?  Really?  That's for kids.  I've never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD.  Come at me on BF4 this fall where the real FPS men are.


Not arguing with you here, but...were you playing COD when you never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD?
 
2013-06-15 01:43:59 AM  

Flint Ironstag: stonelotus: and by "the entire military", we mean "the entire military not currently residing in the US".

I can imagine lots of military units on the US not having broadband access everywhere people might want to relax and get some downtime, or want a device that has an always on microphone connected to who knows what. Not to mention the issue with sharing and swapping games.


Lots of military locations have very strict rules about recording devices (especially cameras and microphones), so the mandatory Kinect is right out.
 
2013-06-15 01:44:52 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


Come over to PC land, buddy. We'll show you what it's like to be among the Gods.
 
2013-06-15 01:52:07 AM  

Mad_Radhu: remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.

I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


You think combat is a firefight, but what it usually is is walking or driving along and suddenly something explodes- maybe you. And 99 times out of a hundred there isn't a single thing you can realistically do about it, there's no way to know who's responsible. Once the wounded or killed are taken care of, you carry on with the mission, which is usually to explore the same goddamn third world shiathole neighborhood every day for no obvious reason while patriots and religious fanatics try to kill you. For maybe 15 months straight, maybe 12 or 14 hours a day, maybe 3 days off a month if you're lucky. And kill is the key word; they are not trying to fight. It would be a goddamn relief if they would meet us face to face, but that would be folly on their part, and they know it. They put bombs in the roads and we get informers to rat them out and raid their homes in the dead of night. They almost never resist, and you as a grunt don't usually even know why you're arresting them. The whole thing is so passive aggressive. The worst of it is the lack of agency, though, at least for me. You look for the IEDs, of course, but it becomes clear pretty quickly that you probably won't see it in time. It's all just luck of the draw, and on top of that the men leading you are quite likely to be mealymouthed sycophants or outright lunatics. I spent a year patrolling the town of Abu Ghraib, starting about 2 months after the prison scandal broke, and later on 15 months in the Triangle of Death, and I fired my weapon in anger twice. I was an infantryman. Combat isn't what these games make it out to be, not anymore. Taking a FPS to a war zone is really more like taking a fleshlight to the seventh circle of hell.
 
2013-06-15 01:54:23 AM  

Flint Ironstag: sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.

That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....


That was the point back in the days before your copy of Windows had to be activated.

Since Windows XP, if you change too many components in your PC it automatically deactivates itself.

In contrast, Mac OS has no activation and not even so much as a license key that you have to type in during the install.
 
2013-06-15 01:56:32 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-15 02:03:45 AM  

Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]


Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody
 
2013-06-15 02:05:20 AM  
This is how it will probably play out

Day 1. users hack Xbox One
Day 2. MS gets rid of online requirements.
Day 3. millions of hacked Xbox ones are bricks.
 
2013-06-15 02:10:30 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody


If I was Microsoft CEO, the entirety of the XBox division would be nuked from orbit after this week.
 
2013-06-15 02:12:42 AM  

Clutch2013: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

If I was Microsoft CEO, the entirety of the XBox division would be nuked from orbit after this week.


He spends most of his time in 2009 collecting trends to use for Microsoft
 
2013-06-15 02:15:52 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody


Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.


Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.
 
2013-06-15 02:19:07 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


Just because it's painful to watch the bites, like when you see somen one else get kicked in the nuts....


Guy's, this guy is a renown and obvious troll(if you've been around long enough).

nekulor: Come over to PC land, buddy. We'll show you what it's like to be among the Gods.


But since you went there...(and i want something lighthearted to talk about)

FPS on a PC is easymode.  Point and click.  My 8 year old niece can do that.  That's what PC fanatics say the most, "the mouse is superior"....because it is easier to be precise with it.  You can headshoot all day long with your sniper, so can 12 year olds on a PC, it's not that difficult.

Now, a universal xbox controller, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to headshot(minus CoD's broke-dick quick scope mechanic), and allows more for skill, in that it's standardized.

Jock-ularity aside:
That's what I always thought was entertaining.  PC people think they're superior, yet often get trounced with the more difficult analog stick and level playing field, and never really understand why.

Here's a newsflash.  None of these games require a specific skill.  A person who ranks in the top 90% on console will also do so on PC(sure the odd guy out can't adapt to the different controls, but given time, most can, what you gain with the mouse, you lose on the uncomfortable keyboard).

The difference with most PC games(and exclusive pc gamers), is that you just don't get the vastly varying amount of competition(because, across all games,  you tend to play on a specific few servers with the same people, if not exclusively on your own) as where on a console you can play for weeks and never see the same people twice(unless it's a low population game).  You(collectively, nothing personal here) never really learn to adapt on the fly to the sheer amount of strategic variation that appears in console versions of a game.  You don't deal well with the unexpected, when on console, that's about half of the time.

(compare it to being able to kick the computers ass on the hardest difficulty on Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, but getting pwned by a 9 year old random-button masher)

Sure you get your runs that the "good" guys fall into, everyone establishes a pattern, but to do well you really need to have the best adaptability on top of aim ability.(unless you're in a specific situation, poor map design complemented by quick kill weapons, ie Hard campers  WILL get kills and perform decently with a shotgun aimed in a doorway the whole game, or a sniper watching a single alley with his back to a wall so you can't sneak on him).

If you're a gamer, you can play all formats. If you're really good on one and not the other, you're probably not as much hot shiat as you want to think.
Just sayin'
 
2013-06-15 02:21:48 AM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


So, no down time whatsoever for 6 months while underwater?
 
2013-06-15 02:22:28 AM  

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


They should just load up a C5-A and air drop those things all over Afghanistan.

I'm usually pretty skeptical when it comes to Microsoft (or any technology company) hate, but this is just farkin' dumb.
 
2013-06-15 02:24:41 AM  

sethen320: remus: Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.

COD?  Really?  That's for kids.  I've never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD.  Come at me on BF4 this fall where the real FPS men are.

Not arguing with you here, but...were you playing COD when you never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD?


I've only tried it a few times and yes, it seemed like all kids.  I've seen them in BF3 too, but I've also ran into quite  a lot of older guys too.  BF3 is just a better game top to bottom.  BF4 looks to be interesting, I've already pre ordered it on Xbox 360.  Not sure now if I'll get a PS4 and a copy of BF4 for that too.
 
2013-06-15 02:31:38 AM  

fst_creeper: Dingleberry Dickwad: During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

Back in my day it was read a book (on average 5-7 per 50 soldiers), play bones, talk about getting laid, dream about getting laid, play spades, or count the minutes to the next chow run.


We played spades.  Holy shiat did we play a lot of spades.  We played spades so much that no one will play spades with me today because I always win and I talk a lot of shiat when I do it.
 
2013-06-15 02:33:21 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.

Just because it's painful to watch the bites, like when you see somen one else get kicked in the nuts....


Guy's, this guy is a renown and obvious troll(if you've been around long enough).

nekulor: Come over to PC land, buddy. We'll show you what it's like to be among the Gods.

But since you went there...(and i want something lighthearted to talk about)

FPS on a PC is easymode.  Point and click.  My 8 year old niece can do that.  That's what PC fanatics say the most, "the mouse is superior"....because it is easier to be precise with it.  You can headshoot all day long with your sniper, so can 12 year olds on a PC, it's not that difficult.

Now, a universal xbox controller, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to headshot(minus CoD's broke-dick quick scope mechanic), and allows more for skill, in that it's standardized.

Jock-ularity aside:
That's what I always thought was entertaining.  PC people think they're superior, yet often get trounced with the more difficult analog stick and level playing field, and never really understand why.

Here's a newsflash.  None of these games require a specific skill.  A person who ranks in the top 90% on console will also do so on PC(sure the odd guy out can't adapt to the different controls, but given time, most can, what you gain with the mouse, you lose on the uncomfortable keyboard).

The difference with most PC games(and exclusive pc gamers), is that you just don't get the vastly varying amount of competition(because, across all games,  you tend to play on a specific few servers with the same people, if not exclusively on your own) as where on a console you can play for weeks and never see the same people twice(unless it's a low population game).  You(collectively, nothing perso ...


Just chiming in to say you're not a jock
 
2013-06-15 02:34:21 AM  

Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.


You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.
 
2013-06-15 02:43:25 AM  

remus: sethen320: remus: Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.

COD?  Really?  That's for kids.  I've never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD.  Come at me on BF4 this fall where the real FPS men are.

Not arguing with you here, but...were you playing COD when you never ran across anyone older than 13 on COD?

I've only tried it a few times and yes, it seemed like all kids.  I've seen them in BF3 too, but I've also ran into quite  a lot of older guys too.  BF3 is just a better game top to bottom.  BF4 looks to be interesting, I've already pre ordered it on Xbox 360.  Not sure now if I'll get a PS4 and a copy of BF4 for that too.


Battlefield isn't much better. Not anymore, anyway. It's actually a little depressing, seeing just how far in the gutter it's sunk to ever since 3 released.

Between the Suppression mechanic (a busted answer to a question no one asked), the attachment unlocks for every individual weapon, the poor map design, Frostbite 2, AND the inane assignments to unlock weapons ("Get 50 roadkills with the EOD bot on an enemy at Flag E while you are at Flag A"), and not taking into account the usual stupidity and douchiness associated with these types of games nowadays, BF3 is the exact opposite of Bad Company 2. Where that game was fun, BF3 is just a chore. And 4 looks like it'll be the same shiat sandwich, but with a new paint job.
 
2013-06-15 02:46:17 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


Sorry, all the FPS Gods are on PCs. That's why they don't let PCs and consoles play together: because we'd smoke your ass and you'd ragequit.
 
2013-06-15 02:56:51 AM  
With the military excluded, maybe they will finally release a authentic Modern Warfare so we can experience what the troops are doing.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5tRNs2X5Q4
 
2013-06-15 02:57:46 AM  

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.

That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....

That was the point back in the days before your copy of Windows had to be activated.

Since Windows XP, if you change too many components in your PC it automatically deactivates itself.

In contrast, Mac OS has no activation and not even so much as a license key that you have to type in during the install.


I use XP and changed RAM, video cards, sound cards, mobo and CPU several times without any problem. I also changed hard drives several times but that needed a fresh install of course.

Apple don't require any protection against bootleg copies of their OS since you need one of their computers to instal it on. However they do lock down all software on their phones requiring you to get everything from their app store, a tactic MS have now copied with their Metro apps.
 
2013-06-15 03:04:40 AM  

sethen320: Flint Ironstag: sethen320: Flint Ironstag: skozlaw: Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

This. The good thing about Microsoft over the past fifteen years or so is their laid back attitude to what you do with their stuff once you have bought it. Want to upgrade your hard drive on your PC? Sure. Want to upgrade your motherboard? Go ahead. Build your own PC from scratch? Install any software you want? Plug in any accessory, sound card, video card, USB device etc? Go for it. That was always where MS scored over Apple.

Now they're blowing it, with gaming anyway. And Metro Apps "that you can only get through our app store" creeping into their PCs shows they are at least starting down that route with desktops.

MS doesn't build PCs.

That's the point. They sell you a copy of Windows and then more or less let you do whatever you want with it. As an example of how they are starting to change is the restriction of apps for Metro. You can get them from their app store only. They don't make the hardware but they still restrict what software you can install on it.

You can still install whatever Desktop software you want. For now....

Yeah, that wasn't the point.  I like where you were going, but just admit that you don't have a great grasp on how computers work and don't cover.  It looks bad.


Oh no, someone has criticised me on the internet. How will I ever recover...

That is the exact point. MS used to sellyou a copy of Windows and then not care or mind what you did with it. Now they are copying Apple by having an os that (as far as Metro is concerned) you can only get software from their app store.
 
2013-06-15 03:08:02 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.

You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.


Hopefully consumers are smart enough to send Microsoft a message.
 
2013-06-15 03:18:49 AM  

JolobinSmokin: If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


So what you are saying is that the fine folks operating a NUCLEAR sub should have ZERO downtime? That should end well.
 
2013-06-15 03:24:19 AM  

Theory Of Null: This is how it will probably play out

Day 1. users hack Xbox One
Day 2. MS gets rid of online requirements.
Day 3. millions of hacked Xbox ones are bricks.


Let's face it, judging by M$ history, number 3 is gonna happen no matter what 1 and 2 are.
 
2013-06-15 03:46:34 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.

You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.


When MS couldn't bill me for Xbox Live Gold because the card on there was one I reported lost ( and I was unable to change the billing card on the website, because the website is a piece of shiat), they cut off my entire Live account as well, including stuff I bought on Zune.
 
2013-06-15 03:51:17 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: Just chiming in to say you're not a jock


I was making light of being hyper-competitive and bragging.
I was not claiming to be a jock. it may help a bit if you look up the meaning of jocularity.
It may also help if you just don't post any more.
 
2013-06-15 04:27:39 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Apple don't require any protection against bootleg copies of their OS since you need one of their computers to instal it on.


No. No you don't.
 
2013-06-15 04:31:29 AM  
I'm just wondering what packets are sent and received by the Xb3 (it is the third xbox) and how much data is sent back and forth. If its a simple hash check that shouldn't be to large of a file to send back and forth for approval.

I'm thinking this might sell raspberry pi by the bundle, someone just needs to figure a way to spoof a xbox live authenticate server, plug in a raspberry pi into the Xb3's usb port for power and attach a crossover cable between the two and you're off line as long as you have power and the game doesn't require you to log in or download parts of the game (maps, weapons, characters) while you're playing it.

As for the Kinect I wonder if that will be this next gen's RRoD? If the kinect doesn't need to be working properly to play then a micro screwdriver and a ribbon cable pulled out to disable the camera, also a soldering iron to take out the microphone and no more big brother. Although like I said it may be the next RRoD, the DKoD (DisKinect of death) if the kinect fails for any reason and the xbox can't find it or recognize it plugged in.


Just ideas, I'll find out what's going on with it about 6 months to a year after a few people from Team Xecuter get their hands on it. As for myself I'm sticking with the PC, WiiU, and PS4. First gen of consoles I don't buy all available.
 
2013-06-15 04:39:24 AM  

Deadite: I'm thinking this might sell raspberry pi by the bundle,


I think i mentioned a similar note in one of these threads, but I always forget about pi, so good call.

Deadite: Just ideas, I'll find out what's going on with it about 6 months to a year after a few people from Team Xecuter get their hands on it.


I predict 6 months to a year someone like them has a dongle/plug that circumvents(or spoofs i guess) the call-back.
 
2013-06-15 04:50:42 AM  
Heh, I didn't consider this angle of it either and I'm betting someone at microsoft is about to get fired to not thinking about it either.  What is it with them these days any ways, Win8's abortion, surface being yet another non-starter, now this xboned catastrophe.  I haven't seen a company fall so flat on its face in a very long time.  To make Sony look like the consumer-friendly alternative...that takes special talent.
 
2013-06-15 04:51:46 AM  

omeganuepsilon: I think i mentioned a similar note in one of these threads, but I always forget about pi, so good call.


I can't really keep up with the xbox threads too much lately so I've just been skimming them for paid shill outings, funny pictures, and every so often a flame war or two so I don't catch everything interesting that's said.

omeganuepsilon: I predict 6 months to a year someone like them has a dongle/plug that circumvents(or spoofs i guess) the call-back.


That's what most likely will happen, I was just giving them time to argue on who's going to pay for the console first. Be a sad sight if they just went fark it all, we're now Team PSXecuter!
 
2013-06-15 05:26:08 AM  

MadSkillz: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: ThatDarkFellow: Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 572x289]

Hey, asshole, I was going to post this.

/every time i read the responses on that account I want to think it is parody

Oh, but it gets better

Dutch user â€WingsOfFury’ had uploaded 9 GB of content, and suddenly found his Windows Live account suspended, meaning he lost access to his Hotmail, Xbox Live, could not purchase apps and could of course not upload anything to SkyDrive.

After contact with Microsoft support he found out that his account was blocked because there was a  folder on his SkyDrive that contained content which was not allowed by the code of conduct of Microsoft SkyDrive. The folder was a private folder, not shared to anyone else.

Break a rule on any microsoft product? Lose access to everything.

Welcome to the future.

You're being really unfair. He is more than welcome to create new accounts and re-buy all his purchases as long as he toes the line.

When MS couldn't bill me for Xbox Live Gold because the card on there was one I reported lost ( and I was unable to change the billing card on the website, because the website is a piece of shiat), they cut off my entire Live account as well, including stuff I bought on Zune.


When my credit card expired they continued charging me, and I couldn't cancel for a long time, the website wouldn't let me and customer support kept bouncing me around.
 
2013-06-15 05:33:30 AM  

Mike_LowELL: I think people are just scared to play me.  Absolutely hilarious how scared you all are.  Looking forward to playing Call of Duty: Ghosts on Xbox Live, where the FPS gods do their thing.


See, this is why I like you. You troll in multiple directions, instead of focusing on a single topic. You cast a large net.
 
2013-06-15 05:46:01 AM  
I know people will buy the XBone, I just have no idea why.
 
2013-06-15 06:03:00 AM  

Mad_Radhu: it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


As someone explained to me: On patrol You don't actually get to use the guns you're given without creating alot of paperwork.
Because of that many soldiers feel frustrated (on top of being bored and homesick), so the games provide a good outlet to vent on.

Phil Moskowitz: I know people will buy the XBone, I just have no idea why.


Because they'll forget all about this when publishers start dropping call of battle exclusives on it.
The people who make games have been making chunks of money off of DLC and DRM. Microsoft brought the process in house (not unlike the PC did).
Sony left the process up to the publishers.  If microsoft is successful at setting the precedent,  I suspect many offline Sony gamers will get an unpleasant surprise when their games come with registration codes.
It sucks all around, but the market drives the business and the market has been rewarding DRM.

/That said, there should be a way to satisfy the DRM requirement without needing to be online.
/Granted that many places the military deploys do have internet, but they could have made a phone or snail mail workaround.
/Essentially this is registering a game to a user account and letting the machine know. Scratch cards and phone calls should suffice.
 
2013-06-15 06:42:58 AM  

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


I'm hoping the xbox one is a failure (which it seems to be on track to be) and mattrick takes the fall for it. If there's any justice in this universe, it will happen.
 
2013-06-15 06:46:47 AM  

Phil Moskowitz: I know people will buy the XBone, I just have no idea why.


I would have for Killer Instinct, but they farked that up too.
 
2013-06-15 07:10:30 AM  
cdn3.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net

/problem solved
 
2013-06-15 07:30:09 AM  

omeganuepsilon: FPS on a PC is easymode. Point and click. My 8 year old niece can do that. That's what PC fanatics say the most, "the mouse is superior"....because it is easier to be precise with it. You can headshoot all day long with your sniper, so can 12 year olds on a PC, it's not that difficult.

Now, a universal xbox controller, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to headshot(minus CoD's broke-dick quick scope mechanic), and allows more for skill, in that it's standardized.

Jock-ularity aside:
That's what I always thought was entertaining. PC people think they're superior, yet often get trounced with the more difficult analog stick and level playing field, and never really understand why.


So... you still get beaten by mouse-and-keyboard users in terms of accuracy and precision, but because you voluntarily use this horribly imprecise, low-sensitivity input method it somehow makes you better than them?

The only reason PC users get "trounced" on the "level playing field" of using an analog stick controller is because they're horribly unfamiliar with it.  That's not a measure of any skill other than the skill of using an analog stick.  Here, let me put it to you another way:
  1.bp.blogspot.com

"Playing piano with your fingers is easymode. Point and press. My 8 year old niece can do that. That's what pianists say the most, "fingers are superior"....because it is easier to be precise with them. You can play Moonlight Sonata on your piano, so can 12 year olds, it's not that difficult.

Now, your toes, that allows intelligence and strategy to shine through because it is more difficult to play scales, and allows more for skill."

Do you see how dumb that sounds?  Playing piano with your toes doesn't show you have more skill, it just shows that for some reason you've learned to play with different, less suitable appendages.  Similarly, criticizing other pianists for not being able to do it (and calling them unskilled) just makes you look insane.  Of course most pianists don't know how to play with their toes, why on earth would anyone voluntarily use their toes to play piano if they didn't have to?

I'm very sorry that your FPS skills have all been formed around an archaic, dodgy input method.  It's nice that you manage as well as you do, but stop trying to tell the rest of us that we've got no talent because we used logic and opted for the most responsive, precise, and useable control method we could find.
 
2013-06-15 08:11:25 AM  
And theres where I call bullshiat.

http://fcw.com/articles/2013/01/10/dod-microsoft.aspx

600m+ contract to MS less than six months ago.
 
2013-06-15 09:42:17 AM  

Bio-nic: And theres where I call bullshiat.

http://fcw.com/articles/2013/01/10/dod-microsoft.aspx

600m+ contract to MS less than six months ago.


And? Will excel allow an XBone to play offline?
 
2013-06-15 09:53:31 AM  
I'm curious as to how long it will take for some hacker to hack another xbone account and record them through their Kinect without their knowledge.

/will provide definitive proof that there are very few female gamers.
 
2013-06-15 10:24:07 AM  
"Do I think Microsoft is going to change?" writes Hruska in a recent post. "Honestly, no. The remarks that've come out to date paint a picture of a company that's so drunk on its own Kool-Aid, they aren't listening to outside criticism or commentary any longer."

This.
 
2013-06-15 10:37:05 AM  

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


You are a farking idiot.
 
2013-06-15 10:45:50 AM  

omeganuepsilon: If you're a gamer, you can play all formats. If you're really good on one and not the other, you're probably not as much hot shiat as you want to think.
Just sayin'


yukichigai: It's nice that you manage as well as you do, but stop trying to tell the rest of us that we've got no talent because we used logic and opted for the most responsive, precise, and useable control method we could find.


learn to read
and maybe nerd-rage a little less.

Talent is talent.  Sure, flukes happen, but by and large, a good gamer excels with any controls.

Your foot playing prodigy proved my point.
 
2013-06-15 11:00:22 AM  
hadn't thought of this point before and clearly neither had Microsoft and I can think of another bunch of guys with some time and money on their hands and that's the offshore industry (especially in the North Sea in Europe) no xbox ones will work on the rigs, support vessels and barges either.
oops
 
2013-06-15 11:10:45 AM  

Bslim: JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.

Have you ever been in combat, son?


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2013-06-15 11:43:25 AM  
Navy doesn't need to relax from shooting things. Navy needs downtime from having to needlessly clean things to make work and being stuck in a ship with the same people for months on end.
 
2013-06-15 11:48:35 AM  

BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: Apple don't require any protection against bootleg copies of their OS since you need one of their computers to instal it on.

No. No you don't.


When even the link you provide says thing like "Things go wrong with hackintoshes all the time. It's unlikely you'll create one without running into, at least, a minor dilemma. A lot of troubleshooting involves trial and error, unfortunately, and you'll just have to tinker around until you get the problem fixed" then yo know it's not an option that millions of people use or a problem for Apple.

Plus even  on Apple support forums
it is said doing so is against Apple TOS and violates their EULA.
 
2013-06-15 12:55:51 PM  
I used to troll pretty hard against the 360, but I did buy one to go with my launch PS3. I have to admit that this gen, the 360's party capabilities make hooking up with friends to play online infinitely easier. That said, the PS4 sounds like it will close that gap, and I'm not seeing any compelling reason to buy the Xbox One. It's more expensive, it forces me to buy a peripheral that I find idiotic, its core hardware is inferior, and they want me to pay $100 more for that. The Live capabilities better be damn amazing (or the new PSN better really suck) if this thing isn't going to fail hard.
 
2013-06-15 01:00:20 PM  

Sandwyrm: JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.

Your point is valid, but here's the other side.  Of the entire deployed military, only a small percentage are actual combat units (the rest being administrative, logistics, etc.).  Of all these combat units, only a small percentage are engaged in a combat role (patrolling and such), the rest are there for backup.  For those who are not in combat roles, you need some way to distract yourself from thinking about home and what your wife/girlfriend is doing.  You can only waste so many hours at the gym before you start going a little kooky, and video games help with that.


My oldest son did 7 months combat in Afghanistan. Down time was lifting weights and playing Skyrim on PS3 with NO UPDATES.
 
2013-06-15 01:06:11 PM  
The problem for Microsoft on this issue is a lot worse than losing military members as customers.... they also lose their families, and their extended families and friends by word-of-mouth. Military families tend to be pretty loyal to the cause, so to speak.

Also, you'll lose the easy money purchases - servicemen fresh out of boot camp, with a fistful of cash.

...and what about those leaving service? You think they'll easily forget how Microsoft screwed them over while they were IN the service?

You are talking about a group of people (servicemen and women, their family and friends) intensely loyal to CAUSES - a group of people who are extremely sensitive to BETRAYAL = and Microsoft has given them a cause because of its betrayal of men in uniform, performing the most hazardous duty for their country.
 
2013-06-15 01:11:30 PM  
While I realize I've been out for a while, there were gaming systems when I was in the military and had to go to the desert.  That said, we never saw them.  At most we were lucky to have a TV and VCR for watching movies during down-time.  But mostly we worked out, played cards and dominoes, read books, and otherwise entertained ourselves.

So I guess what I'm saying is, they'll get over it.  The military is not entitled to having the latest and greatest gaming system while deployed.  They will adapt and overcome.
 
2013-06-15 01:14:18 PM  
I don't get paid to sit around and play Xbox at my job.

But then, I get to come home every night, the risk of death is basically zero, and the risk of PTSD nearly as low.
 
2013-06-15 01:18:00 PM  

BigMevy: While I realize I've been out for a while, there were gaming systems when I was in the military and had to go to the desert.  That said, we never saw them.  At most we were lucky to have a TV and VCR for watching movies during down-time.  But mostly we worked out, played cards and dominoes, read books, and otherwise entertained ourselves.

So I guess what I'm saying is, they'll get over it.  The military is not entitled to having the latest and greatest gaming system while deployed.  They will adapt and overcome.


And their way to "adapt and overcome" will be to buy a PS4.
 
2013-06-15 01:55:29 PM  

Sandwyrm: Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.


Just to make it clear, Sony operates each division seperately, the divisions have almost no central control. So Sony Gaming being good guys right now has nothing to do with Sony Music or Sony Movies divisions. Its the reason you saw Sony Electronics release DVD copying equipment while Sony Music was trying to rootkit anything who thought about copying their music.
 
2013-06-15 02:49:57 PM  

Zenith: hadn't thought of this point before and clearly neither had Microsoft and I can think of another bunch of guys with some time and money on their hands and that's the offshore industry (especially in the North Sea in Europe) no xbox ones will work on the rigs, support vessels and barges either.
oops


You are 100% correct on this. As a former service member and and a current offshore worker (ROV/ Subsea robotics) they can eat a bag of dicks. I spend 6 months out of the year on an offshore installation. We work 12 hour shifts with 12 hours downtime. I currently have an xbox360 and a wii that I leave offshore. Our internet is spotty at best (roughly 500 BYTES to 6k download speeds). It is good enough to check emails and Fark around but not much else. Looks like they will not be getting any more of my cash.

I am also not a Sony fan. They look good right now just because their direct competitor looks so bad. I guess I will be sticking with my wii u and 3ds.
 
2013-06-15 02:56:01 PM  

Flint Ironstag: BullBearMS: Flint Ironstag: Apple don't require any protection against bootleg copies of their OS since you need one of their computers to instal it on.

No. No you don't.

When even the link you provide says thing like "Things go wrong with hackintoshes all the time. It's unlikely you'll create one without running into, at least, a minor dilemma. A lot of troubleshooting involves trial and error, unfortunately, and you'll just have to tinker around until you get the problem fixed" then yo know it's not an option that millions of people use or a problem for Apple.

Plus even  on Apple support forums
it is said doing so is against Apple TOS and violates their EULA.


My god. He's full of tard.

Can you buy generic PC hardware and install Mac OS on it without any DRM whatsoever?

Yes. Yes you can.

Do you have to stick to hardware there are good Mac OS drivers for?

Well, yes, tard. You do. Just like you have to in Windows or Unix or Linux.

Hardware doesn't work without drivers.

It's just like the days when you had to stick to only using components on the Windows 2000 Hardware Compatibility List. No DRM. Zero issues.
 
2013-06-15 03:12:16 PM  
You know, I stood by Microsoft with the removal of the Start button. I've been using computers and other GUIs for too long to not know how to adapt to the latest design (full disclosure: I don't have Windows 8, but if I were to get a new PC it would probably be on it and I would get used to it).

But this is just too stupid. I don't even share or trade my games very often, but I can see just how anti-consumer this move really is. It isn't even about stopping piracy anymore, it is about the publisher rewriting the rules to their exclusive benefit.

People like to compare this to Steam, but that is a digital download. I also get the benefit that my licenses are up in the cloud, so I can load them on any PC I want simply by logging in. While the X1 does have some of these benefits, I believe MS has said that adding or changing a Live account on these systems is not easy. A better comparison would be PC software which limits the number of installs by calling home, but that is why the retail PC market continues to suffer in favour of digital downloads.

PERHAPS if Microsoft made game cards with activations codes the primary way of distributing games, they would have an argument. But even if they switched to that immediately, they have opened a Pandora's Box.

Finally, the ultimately irony here is that this will mean that a larger chunk of people buying X1s will be pirates who will break the DRM and play whatever they want. Meanwhile legitimate consumers will buy a PS4 which has fair and reasonable copy protections.
 
2013-06-15 03:30:53 PM  
Welcome to Corporate Love, biatches.   do as your told and stop whining.  you've got 'Freedom' (and Property/Capital) to protect.
 
2013-06-15 04:26:28 PM  

Electrify: Finally, the ultimately irony here is that this will mean that a larger chunk of people buying X1s will be pirates who will break the DRM and play whatever they want.


This.  I really want this thing to be cracked wide open.  I missed out on the original XBOX mods that allowed HDD ripping and other perks, as well as the PS2 w/ linux.  360 was pretty tight.

I'd love to see either of these new consoles opened.  I don't pirate games, but love the flexibility and novelty.
 
2013-06-15 04:37:50 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Apple don't require any protection against bootleg copies of their OS since you need one of their computers to instal it on.


That isn't entirely true. Besides, the complete 64 bit unlimited edition of OS X is $30.
 
2013-06-15 05:04:20 PM  
BullBearMS: Can you buy generic PC hardware and install Mac OS on it without any DRM whatsoever?

Yes. Yes you can.

Do you have to stick to hardware there are good Mac OS drivers for?

Well, yes, tard. You do. Just like you have to in Windows or Unix or Linux.

Hardware doesn't work without drivers.

It's just like the days when you had to stick to only using components on the Windows 2000 Hardware Compatibility List. No DRM. Zero issues.


Don't the Intel Macs come with a TPM chip that proves to Mac OS that the computer is an actual Mac?  I think that qualifies as DRM.

I'm sure there are cracks out there to get around it, of course.  The lack of device drivers would still be the more difficult problem.
 
2013-06-15 05:21:49 PM  

anfrind: Don't the Intel Macs come with a TPM chip that proves to Mac OS that the computer is an actual Mac? I think that qualifies as DRM.


No.

Mac OSX has no DRM whatsoever.

Intel based Macs did start using EFI instead of the BIOS years before Windows, but that's hardly a problem now.
 
2013-06-15 06:55:13 PM  

BullBearMS: anfrind: Don't the Intel Macs come with a TPM chip that proves to Mac OS that the computer is an actual Mac? I think that qualifies as DRM.

No.

Mac OSX has no DRM whatsoever.

Intel based Macs did start using EFI instead of the BIOS years before Windows, but that's hardly a problem now.


I just looked into it a little more closely, and it looks like Apple included TPM chips from 2006 to 2009, but the OS never actually used them in any way.
 
2013-06-15 07:17:50 PM  

anfrind: BullBearMS: anfrind: Don't the Intel Macs come with a TPM chip that proves to Mac OS that the computer is an actual Mac? I think that qualifies as DRM.

No.

Mac OSX has no DRM whatsoever.

Intel based Macs did start using EFI instead of the BIOS years before Windows, but that's hardly a problem now.

I just looked into it a little more closely, and it looks like Apple included TPM chips from 2006 to 2009, but the OS never actually used them in any way.


Apple doesn't even use so much as a product key in any of it's consumer software (iWork, iLife) or their OS. Much less intrusive DRM.
 
2013-06-15 07:58:33 PM  

BullBearMS: Apple doesn't even use so much as a product key in any of it's consumer software (iWork, iLife) or their OS. Much less intrusive DRM.


You sure about that?  Because I have a box for iWork '08 on my shelf right now that includes a product key.

I suppose that may have been somewhat justified in that you could download an unregistered version from their website for free, and try it out for 30 days before having to register.  Although I'm sure it no longer works that way, since Apple now sells all of its software through the Mac App Store.
 
2013-06-15 08:31:47 PM  

anfrind: You sure about that?


I'm quite certain.

Apple has made the decision to no longer require a serial number for the retail copy of iWork. It doesn't require any online activation, and - in the same fashion as iLife - would seem to have no piracy prevention as such.

Apple notes that:

iWork '09 retail boxes no longer come with a serial number. Install iWork '09 from the enclosed disc and you're ready to go.


The restrictive DRM and license key bullshiat are all on the Microsoft side. Apple doesn't use them at all.

Also, unlike with Windows 8 Metro apps, the Apple App store in Mac OS is completely optional. Nobody is twisting your arm to make you use it.

One advantage for people who do choose to buy from the Mac App Store is that vendors who sell through it are required to allow you to install the app you pay for on up to five computers at no extra cost. (If you own that many)

So after you pay ten bucks for Apple's word processor, or 30 bucks for the last OS update you can install them onto five different Macs without paying an additional dime.
 
2013-06-15 11:12:53 PM  

remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.


Judging by some of the rather lavish artwork I saw in the portajohns while I was there, I'd say masturbating. But that goes without saying.
 
2013-06-16 02:20:20 AM  
Microsoft is waging war against their loyal xbox customers....this is a great strategy, for failure.
 
2013-06-16 02:33:53 AM  
Sold my 360 and went to PC when I moved out of the US. I planned on getting a Xbox One when I returned and finish off some of the 360 games I wanted to finish.

It looks like I will stick to PC, keep an eye on the PS4 exclusive list and pick up a used 360 to play some backlogged games. Then in a few years buy a used Wii U, play their catalog of 1st party games and toss it.

Except that funny thing called life continues to get in the way and I already have games from steam sales 3 years ago that I have not played...
 
2013-06-16 03:53:32 AM  

BullBearMS: anfrind: You sure about that?

I'm quite certain.

Apple has made the decision to no longer require a serial number for the retail copy of iWork. It doesn't require any online activation, and - in the same fashion as iLife - would seem to have no piracy prevention as such.

Apple notes that:

iWork '09 retail boxes no longer come with a serial number. Install iWork '09 from the enclosed disc and you're ready to go.

The restrictive DRM and license key bullshiat are all on the Microsoft side. Apple doesn't use them at all.

Also, unlike with Windows 8 Metro apps, the Apple App store in Mac OS is completely optional. Nobody is twisting your arm to make you use it.

One advantage for people who do choose to buy from the Mac App Store is that vendors who sell through it are required to allow you to install the app you pay for on up to five computers at no extra cost. (If you own that many)

So after you pay ten bucks for Apple's word processor, or 30 bucks for the last OS update you can install them onto five different Macs without paying an additional dime.


People love to bash Apple on all their "restrictions", but Steve Jobs was always very anti-DRM, and it shows in the company culture.  Not only is all their software DRM and serial-number free, they actually encourage you to go ahead and install it on all your computers.  They use it as a selling point - buy once, install throughout the house.

And remember Jobs is the one who finally convinced music content rights holders to give up the ghost using DRM on iTunes.  When they did and iTunes went DRM-free, all of your previously DRM'd music was automatically upgraded to non-DRM versions.  Apple didn't have to do all this - there was no huge financial benefit or incentive.  As usual, it was all about the user experience, and Apple knows full well that no DRM is a superior user experience, every time.

This situation is nothing like Apple or has anything to do with "arrogance" like Apple's.  This is a classic case of a company being utterly tone-deaf to what its customers actually want.  The only people that perceive Apple as shoving things down customers throats aren't Apple customers, or else they would understand that Apple's actual customers - the people who buy their products - are usually delighted with those products.  They don't listen to pundits, who are not customers, and so those pundits deem them "arrogant", but in reality they're just catering to their customers and only to their customers.  They don't give a shiat what the non-customers think, and that's not "arrogant", it's right.  It's a fine line and they walk it perfectly.

Microsoft is doing nothing like that - they're alienating customers and non-customers alike, and their behavior is truly arrogant.  They installed all this stuff that nobody wants because it was in their best interest, supposedly.  It won't do them much good, of course, when it doesn't sell.  At no time did they think about what the user experience was going to be like, or else they would have dumped the garbage right out of the gate.  They simply thought, "What would benefit us and our partners the most, customers be damned?" and then turned that nonsense up to 11, and if there were voices of reason in those meeting rooms, they were utterly ignored.  Apple would never in your wildest dreams release a product with restrictions like the Xbox One is going to have.
 
2013-06-16 04:04:48 AM  

blackartemis: Except that funny thing called life continues to get in the way and I already have games from steam sales 3 years ago that I have not played...


Oh god, tell me about it.  I just checked my library: 127 games.  Admittedly a good number of the unplayed ones are Humble Bundle titles but quite a few aren't, like both Witcher games, Mass Effect, Oblivion, some of the Painkiller titles, L.A. Noire, Bulletstorm... I've got probably a good thousand hours of gameplay sitting on my account waiting for me to play it.

The worst part is that I know, even with all this stuff waiting for me, that I'm going to buy more stuff the next time there's a Steam Sale.  God dammit so much Steam, stop throwing $10 AAA titles at me.
 
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