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2013-06-14 08:57:03 PM
"When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.
 
2013-06-14 09:01:23 PM
And the failtrain continues full speed ahead.


Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


Maybe he's secretly getting kickbacks from Sony?
 
2013-06-14 09:05:58 PM
XBox One :  Please, Hack Me.
 
2013-06-14 09:13:32 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-14 09:15:49 PM
Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.
 
2013-06-14 09:16:50 PM
I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?
 
2013-06-14 09:20:38 PM

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."
 
2013-06-14 09:23:29 PM

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


This plan has merit.
 
2013-06-14 09:23:36 PM

remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.


I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.
 
2013-06-14 09:25:49 PM

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!
 
2013-06-14 09:25:51 PM
Microsoft seems to have looked at Apple, taken an inventory of all the things they do, and said "you know what really makes their stuff sell? The 'my shiat don't stink' attitude that lets them tell their customers what they'll farking like, that's what!" and gone all in on that one hand with every product release from 2012 on.

Good luck with that, assholes. I won't be buying either next gen console, but the fact that you've managed to make Sony look like the good, sensible, consumer-friendly company in this poo-flinging festival is nothing short of absolutely amazing.

/ now, if you filthy peasants will excuse me, I have to get back to gaming on my PC
 
2013-06-14 09:27:44 PM

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


Arguments for it revolve around forcing the resell market to pay game publishers every time a game changes hands, offloading processing power of the games to a distributed computing network to theoretically improve performance and denying the ability of the more technically inclined users to make unauthorized modifications to the device.

My argument against it is focused on the fact that I resent being treated as a potential criminal by a device I use to have fun with.  If my bike phoned the police department each time I rode it to ensure I was still authorized to ride it, I would be equally miffed.
 
2013-06-14 09:29:28 PM
They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.
 
2013-06-14 09:29:53 PM
karenjlloyd.com
 
2013-06-14 09:31:40 PM
Hey i did it! My first approved thread. Now if i could just get people to talk about Microsoft screwing over these people:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/05/22/get-well-gamers-foundation-up se t-over-xbox-ones-fee-pre-owned-games

In which a charity dedicated to helping connect hospitalized children with consoles and games has been forced to boycott xboxone over their fee for used games policy, then I'd really be happy.

Seriously, Microsoft has really screwed themselves this time.
 
2013-06-14 09:31:55 PM

Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.
 
2013-06-14 09:33:31 PM

Sandwyrm: Flappyhead: Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

If they seriously do that, they would win me over, and I'd stop skipping over Sony equipment when looking to buy consumer electronics.


give them a minute... they've already started
 
2013-06-14 09:34:14 PM
They've alienated everyone.

Hotmail is crap
MSN Messenger is dead (Not that I've used it recently, for a reason)
Windows 8 is a zombie fetus
And the upcoming Xbox One? Well...
 
2013-06-14 09:36:04 PM

Someothermonkey: [i.imgur.com image 460x177]


Rachel Maddow still has giant balls I see.
 
2013-06-14 09:36:45 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


That's right, they should be worked 24/7 with no time off for months at a time. Idiot.
 
2013-06-14 09:38:56 PM

Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."


They should shoot a commercial where a truck rolls up into a MOB, guys in polos and khakis starting hauling out PS4s and hooking them up in the barracks and tents.
"Yeah, you guys can take these anywhere.  You just need power and a TV."
(off center shot of one of the polo guys answering a soldier in fatigues "No, you don't need the Internet.")
Closing shot:  group of soldiers in a dark tent, whooping and hollering.  Do it, Sony.  Do it.
 
2013-06-14 09:43:02 PM

djkutch: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!


I'm trying to figure out if you're really that stupid or just being sarcastic. Pretty much any time we went outside when we were deployed we had to at least wear our body armor with the ceramic plates, even to do PT. And considering that we were in a freaking warzone, gathering in groups to play sports outdoors was somewhat discouraged. During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

Mad_Radhu: I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


You'd be surprised, HALO 2 had just come out while I was downrange and it was pretty popular as well as lan party Unreal Tournament '04, Battlefield Vietnam and Battlefield 2.
 
2013-06-14 09:43:53 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:09 PM

ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?


No. It needs to connect to the internet once per 24 hours to update the DRM certificates. People wanted to be able to play games without having to swap disks. So now the games will install on the HDD in the X1 and then you don't need the disk, but you do need to connect to the internet once per day. That's how it currently works. They needed to do something to keep people from just rampant copying/installing of games but still allow them to play without needing the disk in the drive.

There is talk that they may implement a secondary system where you could leave your game disk in the drive and play it without needing an internet connection, but that's still just talk.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:09 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


Your point is valid, but here's the other side.  Of the entire deployed military, only a small percentage are actual combat units (the rest being administrative, logistics, etc.).  Of all these combat units, only a small percentage are engaged in a combat role (patrolling and such), the rest are there for backup.  For those who are not in combat roles, you need some way to distract yourself from thinking about home and what your wife/girlfriend is doing.  You can only waste so many hours at the gym before you start going a little kooky, and video games help with that.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:41 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


I take it you've never been on deployment. There's lots of work between drills, maintenance, and watch. Double if you're a nuke. What little time off is spent qualifying (if you're a nub), sleeping, working out, sleeping, reading, sleeping, and playing Xbox. It helps keep the stress at bay, especially after several months doing circles off the coast of some hot sandy place on the opposite side of the world.
 
2013-06-14 09:49:17 PM
What an incredible pile of f*ck.
 
2013-06-14 09:49:40 PM
During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

i thought during downtime most soldiers are busy either being raped or raping someone else
 
2013-06-14 09:50:53 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: djkutch: Flappyhead: ZipSplat: I don't follow this stuff too closely, is the XBone essentially just a net-top version of a gaming console - completely unable to play games unless it is connected to the internet?

If so, why the fack is that necessary?

Draconian control over used/traded games.

Anyway, Sony should turn up the troll-o-meter to 11 and launch a campaign to sell PS4s at a discount to active servicemen/women and top it off with a video ending with "Whether you're downrange, overseas or on a nuclear sub, you deserve to play great games."

Jesus Christ, do you kids actually go outside anymore. I'm a kid from the 80's and I remember Tom Cruise had a joystick in his hand while bravely battling some other branch with a volley ball. Under the sun!

I'm trying to figure out if you're really that stupid or just being sarcastic. Pretty much any time we went outside when we were deployed we had to at least wear our body armor with the ceramic plates, even to do PT. And considering that we were in a freaking warzone, gathering in groups to play sports outdoors was somewhat discouraged. During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

Mad_Radhu: I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.

You'd be surprised, HALO 2 had just come out while I was downrange and it was pretty popular as well as lan party Unreal Tournament '04, Battlefield Vietnam and Battlefield 2.


No, he's right.  Tom Cruise spent most of the movie with his joystick in his hand.  Well, sometimes it was IceMan's joystick, but still ...
 
2013-06-14 09:53:30 PM
If anyone had half a brain at Microsoft, they'd delay til next year and remove the draconian restrictions. There are always morons who will pay more for less machine, but the rest of it will mean their sales will be in the toilet from day 1.
 
2013-06-14 09:55:00 PM
Who the hell cares what Ray Jay Johnson thinks?  His schtick sucks.
 
2013-06-14 09:56:56 PM
Sony, here I come.
 
2013-06-14 09:57:58 PM
FTFA - "Even when the Xbox One is in sleep mode, its built-in microphone can always listen in. It's a feature developers say will provide quick voice-command access to games and apps - but that could spook commanders who might worry the always-connected device could also capture more than just idle chit-chat among troops."

I had not even considered this.  Yeah that sucker is going to get banned in a lot of environments even if the internet and second hand game issue did not kill it outright for military personnel.  Why second hand games here you ask?  When a friend of mine and co-worker of mine shipped over to Iraq in 2007 a bunch of us that worked with him got together and sent over a xbox 360 and 15 games.  His unit had continuous elements deployed from 2004 on in 3 month rotations.  He ended up going 5 times and only stopped when he retired in 2009.  Our only instruction was these stay over there when you come back in the rec room for the next group, it comes home when you unit it done.  His medical unit was one of the last out.  The original 360 had died a couple of years ago.  The last game disk that was working is in a case on the wall in his old unit's stateside HQ (along with some other care package items they said made a difference like phone cards, a couple books, etc..)  Yeah being able to transfer it to one person after you leave might be a deal breaker.

The only thing stopping Sony from completely crushing MS on this would be if they went back to their third party developers and said, "Shut the fark up you dumb shiats.  You don't get to ban used games, period!  And we all are going to make a ton of money because of it."

/And by crush I do not mean win, out sell, of be more popular.  I mean buy the various "former" Microsoft Games offices around the work just to paint Sony on it then tear it down crush.
 
2013-06-14 09:59:12 PM

fst_creeper: around the work


crap even previewed and spotted it just after clicking add comment..  That should read "around the world"
 
2013-06-14 09:59:14 PM
I can see where this would be a real problem on aircraft carriers... 4500+ people, ship's company plus air wing, dozens of division, and probably one console for every 20 people plus laptop PC's you can store into the smallest space... and lots of opportunities to trade games. Put all those people on a 6 month deployment, and there most definitely will be trading... there has to be. Microsoft cuts that off, they lose their some of their most hardcore customers - young men with disposable income in their pockets and plenty of time on their hands.

They done f*cked up this time.
/srsly
 
2013-06-14 09:59:15 PM
The thing that's really funny is that pretty much every next-gen game will be a multi-platform release.

Will developers force the PS4 to use their DRM? Or will the measures exist ONLY on the XBone?

If the PS4 will not ever phone home, will developers just not bother putting the feature in their games and the XBone will never use these features except in exclusives?

The PS4 won't require an eye toy, so you already know games won't use Kinect by and large.

So......yeah.
 
2013-06-14 09:59:26 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


You know how I know you were never in the service?
 
2013-06-14 10:06:21 PM

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


So he's not that great at public speaking.  The core of what he's saying is true though.

Mad_Radhu: remus: Every guy I ever knew that got deployed went down range with some type of gaming machine (either a lap top or a console).  They spent most of their down time playing because, what else are you going to do off duty in the sand box?

I foresee heavy sales of PS4 at BX and PX stores in the future.

I hope they are playing Madden or something else besides an FPS. Otherwise, it just seems odd to play an FPS when you are living it in real life. Seems like the equivalent of bringing a flesh light to an orgy.


90% of the military folks I talk to say that most of their time was spent standing around not shooting at things, walking around not shooting at things, or sitting down not shooting at things.  Hell, one of them spent more time getting mani/pedis at the local salon than he did holding a gun.  The actual shooting part is infrequent.  Within that context, playing an FPS doesn't seem like such a weird thing, especially one with a strong multiplayer component that encourages teamwork.

CygnusDarius: They've alienated everyone.

Hotmail is crap
MSN Messenger is dead (Not that I've used it recently, for a reason)
Windows 8 is a zombie fetus
And the upcoming Xbox One? Well...


They've also just purchased Skype and are haphazardly cramming it and MSN Messenger together like a kid with two different colored globs of play-dough.  I'm sure they'll somehow manage to ruin it within the next year or so.

JohnnyC: There is talk that they may implement a secondary system where you could leave your game disk in the drive and play it without needing an internet connection, but that's still just talk.


See, if they'd done that then it would actually have been kind of a cool system.  Got too many games? Maybe you want to install them to your HDD so you don't have to swap disks.  Your friend wants a copy of your game, but can't get one in line? Loan them the disk and they can pay the publisher direct to install it to their box.

Of course, that system is set up to maximize consumer convenience, which was not the intent of the XBO's DRM scheme.  The intent was to lock the system down so they could prevent piracy, hacking, and modding, and demand a cut of the used games market in the process.
 
2013-06-14 10:06:30 PM

Virtual Pariah: JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.

I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.


Yeah, so when they are not busy shooting shiat, they can relax and be busy shooting shiat.
 
2013-06-14 10:08:06 PM

JolobinSmokin: If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


And not big enough of an education department.
 
2013-06-14 10:11:40 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


Have you ever been in combat, son?
 
2013-06-14 10:13:00 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.

i thought during downtime most soldiers are busy either being raped or raping someone else


Perhaps they're playing games that involve rape? I have no idea. Then again, I had no idea that the entire military does nothing but game when they have downtime.
 
2013-06-14 10:14:15 PM
Xboxs on my motherfarking submarine.

When I'm not busy shooting at sand wops and the evil Osamas of the world I can kick back and shoot me up some sand wops and Osamas of the world right down here in the deep deep.

Yalm sayin'?

i54.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 10:15:10 PM

fisker: Virtual Pariah: JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.

I hope your trolling.

You really want a bunch of overworked, stressed out, and cranky people with the keys to a nuclear anything?

Give them their games and let them have their R&R.

Yeah, so when they are not busy shooting shiat, they can relax and be busy shooting shiat.


You know how I know you've never been in combat?
 
2013-06-14 10:15:47 PM

Lurk sober post drunk: "When I read the blogs and thought about who's really the most impacted, there was a person who said, "Hey, I'm on a nuclear sub.' I don't even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I've got to imagine that it's not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I'd be disappointed."

This man really needs to stop talking in public.


If anything he should talk more.  Sony is probably paying him on the side to keep this up.  Sony needs to encourage him to continue speaking and further undermine Microsoft.  Then after that the democrats can hire him to go work for the republicans as the PR person.
 
2013-06-14 10:15:53 PM
fisker:

You're wasting your time.  Melinda Gates is not going to sleep with you.
 
2013-06-14 10:17:19 PM
www.traumaticbraininjury.net

Those will be PS4 controllers soon enough.
 
2013-06-14 10:18:38 PM

JolobinSmokin: They knew what they were getting into when they signed up.

If my military has enough time to play Xbox on a nuclear sub, we have way to big of a military.


When the civil war starts, you should be shot in the face.  Twice.
 
2013-06-14 10:21:26 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: During downtime most people read in their rack, watched movies on those small personal DVD players, or played games on their laptop or console.


Back in my day it was read a book (on average 5-7 per 50 soldiers), play bones, talk about getting laid, dream about getting laid, play spades, or count the minutes to the next chow run.

In this one aspect of military life the kids today have it easy/better.  I couldn't be happier about it.  I hope more the rest is better.  Or at least not worse.
 
2013-06-14 10:22:09 PM
Microsoft has a huge opportunity to turn this around right now.

Just Imagine,
Big media Blitz. Red, White, and Blue background.

"In Honor of our US servicemen, at home and abroad, Microsoft is proud to announce that all X1 first party titles will be DRM free, and region unlocked."
"In addition, we are implementing a play it anywhere program."
"The X1 will not require internet connectivity to license your games, as long as you have the disc in the tray."

"in addition, All 1st run X1's will have a "Proudly Designed in USA" plate on the front, and include a US Military Avatar costume, free."

BINGO! fixed and we can all get past this mess at no real cost to anybody.
 
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