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2013-06-14 09:03:44 PM
But that's where the fun is!

/Way out.
 
2013-06-14 09:18:00 PM
What the hell does some purple dinosaur know about football?
 
2013-06-14 09:18:36 PM
What the hell does some two bit deputy from podunk, nowhere know about football?
 
2013-06-14 09:19:24 PM
What the hell does some caveman sidekick know about football?
 
2013-06-14 09:21:34 PM
What the hell does a suit-wearing lazer tag playing womanizer from New York know about football?
 
2013-06-14 10:01:43 PM
Non-criminal violence amuses too many of us for the league to continue the trend of pussifying the sport. Sooner or later, even dickface Goodell will realize that trying to avoid lawsuits is more expensive (in terms of lost income from fans / loss of prestige) than to just let these guys play ball. We have enough rules and I've begrudgingly accepted most of the current ones. But there is a line that can be crossed and I don't think even Goodell is that stupid.
 
2013-06-14 10:04:03 PM

dickfreckle: Non-criminal violence amuses too many of us for the league to continue the trend of pussifying the sport. Sooner or later, even dickface Goodell will realize that trying to avoid lawsuits is more expensive (in terms of lost income from fans / loss of prestige) than to just let these guys play ball. We have enough rules and I've begrudgingly accepted most of the current ones. But there is a line that can be crossed and I don't think even Goodell is that stupid.


I don't know.  I think it's only a matter of time before someone dies on the football field.  And there will be much navel gazing and lamenting and finger wagging and nothing will happen.  It will be like the gun debate, only without the whole constitution thing.
 
2013-06-14 11:03:29 PM
Football, like most sports -- and probably more so, is evolving. The game they play today is not like the game they played back in the 80's ... or 60's.... or 40's ... or 20's ... or in 1905 when Roosevelt told football to make things safer or he'd ban the sport.

Maybe we're on the verge of a second Rooseveltian Overhaul, but football isn't going anywhere. It's just likely that rule changes will require new strategies that mean that today's players won't be the best players 20 years from now, just like the players 20 years ago would be lost in today's game.
 
2013-06-14 11:32:43 PM

dickfreckle: Non-criminal violence amuses too many of us for the league to continue the trend of pussifying the sport. Sooner or later, even dickface Goodell will realize that trying to avoid lawsuits is more expensive (in terms of lost income from fans / loss of prestige) than to just let these guys play ball. We have enough rules and I've begrudgingly accepted most of the current ones. But there is a line that can be crossed and I don't think even Goodell is that stupid.


Lawsuits aren't the danger to the NFL. If the players win their case, the NFL will pay and consider it a business expense. What endangers the NFL is that parent may stop letting their children play youth football. NFL players are highly skilled because they've been playing the game for the vast majority of their lives. Without Pop Warner and high school football, college football likely collapses. And without the NCAA, the NFL suddenly has to not only develop their own players but they can't even start until the players are adults. The won't have the NCAA weeding through hundreds of thousands of high school players. They won't have any idea of who is a potentially good player. And even when they are identified, it'll take years for them to train to play well enough to be a product the public is willing to pay money to see. If the level of talent on the field drops from current NFL levels to that of Div III NCAA, the NFL in its current form is over.

And if you think football is too large for this to happen, look at boxing. For much of the early to mid twentieth century it was the second most popular sport behind only baseball. Today it barely gets noticed. If the NFL goes down the same path, it won't be playing in billion dollar taxpayer funded stadiums, it'll be playing on a rec field out in the suburbs to a couple thousand fans at most.
 
2013-06-14 11:59:16 PM
One Simple Rule Change.

Wrap your arms around to tackle and don't let go.

Similar to rugby.

So we don't get any of this steam-rolling over of small players by 300lb ones
 
2013-06-15 12:04:22 AM

Donnchadha: Maybe we're on the verge of a second Rooseveltian Overhaul, but football isn't going anywhere. It's just likely that rule changes will require new strategies that mean that today's players won't be the best players 20 years from now, just like the players 20 years ago would be lost in today's game.


Is'nt this what makes sport great?

The evolution because of issues such as these.

These players are too good, we need to restrict them somehow to make the game safer.
These changes will effect strategy and training methods.
The changes to the above will effect how the game is played out.
Hell a new game may even be spawned from these changes. (Like how American Football evolved from rugby and Baseball evolved from rounders)

this goes for all sport on all continents no matter the code.
 
2013-06-15 12:10:34 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

History is indeed repeating itself.
 
2013-06-15 12:15:09 AM

EngineerAU: dickfreckle: Non-criminal violence amuses too many of us for the league to continue the trend of pussifying the sport. Sooner or later, even dickface Goodell will realize that trying to avoid lawsuits is more expensive (in terms of lost income from fans / loss of prestige) than to just let these guys play ball. We have enough rules and I've begrudgingly accepted most of the current ones. But there is a line that can be crossed and I don't think even Goodell is that stupid.

Lawsuits aren't the danger to the NFL. If the players win their case, the NFL will pay and consider it a business expense. What endangers the NFL is that parent may stop letting their children play youth football. NFL players are highly skilled because they've been playing the game for the vast majority of their lives. Without Pop Warner and high school football, college football likely collapses. And without the NCAA, the NFL suddenly has to not only develop their own players but they can't even start until the players are adults. The won't have the NCAA weeding through hundreds of thousands of high school players. They won't have any idea of who is a potentially good player. And even when they are identified, it'll take years for them to train to play well enough to be a product the public is willing to pay money to see. If the level of talent on the field drops from current NFL levels to that of Div III NCAA, the NFL in its current form is over.

And if you think football is too large for this to happen, look at boxing. For much of the early to mid twentieth century it was the second most popular sport behind only baseball. Today it barely gets noticed. If the NFL goes down the same path, it won't be playing in billion dollar taxpayer funded stadiums, it'll be playing on a rec field out in the suburbs to a couple thousand fans at most.


I've heard this before, but I just don't see football disappearing in the South. It's such an ingrained part of the culture & the facts are that Southerners don't like to be told what to do.

Furthermore, if we have a whole culture of climate change denalists, who's to say that there are going to listen to scientists who say that football is detrimental to long term health especially when those facts run contradictory to long-held traditions?
 
2013-06-15 12:49:38 AM
Oh bullshiat.
 
2013-06-15 12:49:43 AM

EngineerAU: dickfreckle: Non-criminal violence amuses too many of us for the league to continue the trend of pussifying the sport. Sooner or later, even dickface Goodell will realize that trying to avoid lawsuits is more expensive (in terms of lost income from fans / loss of prestige) than to just let these guys play ball. We have enough rules and I've begrudgingly accepted most of the current ones. But there is a line that can be crossed and I don't think even Goodell is that stupid.

Lawsuits aren't the danger to the NFL. If the players win their case, the NFL will pay and consider it a business expense. What endangers the NFL is that parent may stop letting their children play youth football. NFL players are highly skilled because they've been playing the game for the vast majority of their lives. Without Pop Warner and high school football, college football likely collapses. And without the NCAA, the NFL suddenly has to not only develop their own players but they can't even start until the players are adults. The won't have the NCAA weeding through hundreds of thousands of high school players. They won't have any idea of who is a potentially good player. And even when they are identified, it'll take years for them to train to play well enough to be a product the public is willing to pay money to see. If the level of talent on the field drops from current NFL levels to that of Div III NCAA, the NFL in its current form is over.

And if you think football is too large for this to happen, look at boxing. For much of the early to mid twentieth century it was the second most popular sport behind only baseball. Today it barely gets noticed. If the NFL goes down the same path, it won't be playing in billion dollar taxpayer funded stadiums, it'll be playing on a rec field out in the suburbs to a couple thousand fans at most.


These are fine points.

When I was in high school (early 90s) I was a corner. Not particularly good but I did start. Anyway, I'll never forget my dad telling me things like "rub some dirt on it" or "quit your whining." I mean, when you allow your kids to play you're to expect some level of contact. The trend in parenting now is so unnecessarily protective of the children that it essentially steals childhood and adolescence from them.

Your kid probably already has a smartphone and a laptop, so football is the least of your worries, parents. Let them get their ass kicked once in a while. It builds character.

/Christ I sound like Wilfred Brimley and I'm not even 40 yet
 
2013-06-15 12:58:54 AM
Much like the temperance movement, it appears as though a group of busybody women are going to ruin another good thing in America, either through their notorious penchant for doling out huge jury awards, or the continued wussification of our boys.
 
2013-06-15 01:11:41 AM

Cataholic: Much like the temperance movement, it appears as though a group of busybody women are going to ruin another good thing in America, either through their notorious penchant for doling out huge jury awards, or the continued wussification of our boys.


If you don't get dementia at 50, you're a farking homo!
 
2013-06-15 01:13:42 AM

12349876: Cataholic: Much like the temperance movement, it appears as though a group of busybody women are going to ruin another good thing in America, either through their notorious penchant for doling out huge jury awards, or the continued wussification of our boys.

If you don't get dementia at 50, you're a farking homo!


That Junior Seau was a MAN'S man!
 
2013-06-15 01:16:18 AM
I think we all see where this is going...
www.rookscastle.com
 
2013-06-15 01:31:13 AM

Straight Outta Wells Branch: I've heard this before, but I just don't see football disappearing in the South. It's such an ingrained part of the culture & the facts are that Southerners don't like to be told what to do.


Even when the insurance company comes to them and gives them a enormous bill if they want to host a team/league?  Or perhaps there simply won't be anyone willing to insure a team?

You're right, there won't be any push by the coaches/parents/players.  But somewhere along the line, someone is going to sue.  What happens when you see the same type of lawsuit the former NFL players are bringing appear at the high school level?  There are hundreds of thousands of kids who play at that level, and if even a tiny fraction of them join into a suit it's going to have huge potential damages.

/My son played midget for a while- I'm glad he's out.  Even at the 10-12 age level, there were some players close to my size
 
2013-06-15 01:52:19 AM

EngineerAU: dickfreckle: Non-criminal violence amuses too many of us for the league to continue the trend of pussifying the sport. Sooner or later, even dickface Goodell will realize that trying to avoid lawsuits is more expensive (in terms of lost income from fans / loss of prestige) than to just let these guys play ball. We have enough rules and I've begrudgingly accepted most of the current ones. But there is a line that can be crossed and I don't think even Goodell is that stupid.

Lawsuits aren't the danger to the NFL. If the players win their case, the NFL will pay and consider it a business expense. What endangers the NFL is that parent may stop letting their children play youth football. NFL players are highly skilled because they've been playing the game for the vast majority of their lives. Without Pop Warner and high school football, college football likely collapses. And without the NCAA, the NFL suddenly has to not only develop their own players but they can't even start until the players are adults. The won't have the NCAA weeding through hundreds of thousands of high school players. They won't have any idea of who is a potentially good player. And even when they are identified, it'll take years for them to train to play well enough to be a product the public is willing to pay money to see. If the level of talent on the field drops from current NFL levels to that of Div III NCAA, the NFL in its current form is over.

And if you think football is too large for this to happen, look at boxing. For much of the early to mid twentieth century it was the second most popular sport behind only baseball. Today it barely gets noticed. If the NFL goes down the same path, it won't be playing in billion dollar taxpayer funded stadiums, it'll be playing on a rec field out in the suburbs to a couple thousand fans at most.


Fair points, but....
There will still be plenty of parents that will let their kids play, yeah really.
Early entry into football really isn't necessary to learn the game technically and the physical training can be accomplish without contact, at least to a certain point.
And boxing's fade has way more to do with it's corruption and lack of 'big' fights and tough competition from MMA than a liability issue or injury issue.

Eventually politicians will get involved and shield football leagues from liability. Don't play if you find the risk unacceptable.  The game will change, but it will continue.
 
2013-06-15 07:50:46 AM
"Dicksmashers"   isn't racist either and is an infinity better name.
 
2013-06-15 10:00:27 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Eventually politicians will get involved and shield football leagues from liability. Don't play if you find the risk unacceptable. The game will change, but it will continue.


Lawsuit simply don't matter, at least at the NFL level.  It's lack of participation that matters. I know many have said "well, those Southerns don't care about their kids" but that's simply not true for most parents. If you have 30% of the population who are going to be the football version of a stage mom and push their kid into it, the missing 70% will still matter. The best players don't always come from the trailer park and have a chain smoking momma.

A shield law to protect high schools would be a HUGE admission that it's too dangerous. We have bubble wrapped kids who aren't allowed to ride the bus or go down the block on their own. We have Craig James getting a collage coach fired for being mean. No way that vast majority of parents keep their kids in a sport that requires a shield law to protect it. Football is part of this country and won't disappear but it's not going to be able to continue in its current form. Rule changes aren't likely to be able to make it safe. There are decades of damage already done to player and medical science that now knows that to look for. Even if it somehow became safe tomorrow, we'd still be left with tons of stories about the damage that's been done. Mr. and Mrs. Helicopter parent will simply find something else for junior to do.

Even here in the South if you talk to those involved in Pop Warner you'll hear about how much participation has dropped off. And of those who do let their kids play, they're asking lots of questions and insisting that coaches treat their child with extra care. A few scary stories on tv and many of those parents will pull their children out too.
 
2013-06-15 10:08:37 AM
FTFA  "Society will alleviate football"

?? Did he get Shannon Sharp to write that?
 
2013-06-15 10:12:57 AM
''It's a great game. I think it's the greatest game if you like gladiators."

And really, who doesn't?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-15 11:09:41 AM

John Dewey: What the hell does some two bit deputy from podunk, nowhere know about football?


Actually, those guys know everything about football.
 
2013-06-15 11:24:22 AM

Glockenspiel Hero: Straight Outta Wells Branch: I've heard this before, but I just don't see football disappearing in the South. It's such an ingrained part of the culture & the facts are that Southerners don't like to be told what to do.

Even when the insurance company comes to them and gives them a enormous bill if they want to host a team/league?  Or perhaps there simply won't be anyone willing to insure a team?

You're right, there won't be any push by the coaches/parents/players.  But somewhere along the line, someone is going to sue.  What happens when you see the same type of lawsuit the former NFL players are bringing appear at the high school level?  There are hundreds of thousands of kids who play at that level, and if even a tiny fraction of them join into a suit it's going to have huge potential damages.

/My son played midget for a while- I'm glad he's out.  Even at the 10-12 age level, there were some players close to my size


cdn.lastangryfan.com
 
2013-06-15 12:16:40 PM

FrancoFile: FTFA  "Society will alleviate football"

?? Did he get Shannon Sharp to write that?


FTFA: ''I found out after I was out of the game that I had seven, maybe eight concussions,'' he said.

I think that's your answer right there.
 
2013-06-15 11:09:16 PM
It'll be a cold day in hell when Soccer is America's main sport.
 
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