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(CNN)   CIA to supply small arms to Syrian rebels. Because this worked so well in Afghanistan. And Beirut. And Nicaragua. And El Salvador. And   (cnn.com) divider line 219
    More: Asinine, Secretary of State John Kerry, CIA, beer pongs, russian foreign ministry, Sergey Lavrov, national capitals, anti-tank weapons, boots on the ground  
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2013-06-14 08:45:15 PM  

whither_apophis: R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?

All of them

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed


Umm... Raytheon does most of the bombs/missiles.  You'd have better luck there.  It would be air support only most likely.
 
2013-06-14 08:45:43 PM  

machoprogrammer: Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.

Except the rebels we are arming are just as bad, if not worse than, the Assad regime


Assad is using chemical weapons, not the rebels.
 
2013-06-14 08:46:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Remember when Carter caused the Ayatollah?


Jimmy Carter is Ayatollah Khomeini's father?
 
2013-06-14 08:48:16 PM  
webthing01:
  The White House disclosed that the U.S. had conclusive evidence that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime used chemical weapons against opposition forces. In addition, President Obama authorized sending weapons to Syrian opposition for the first time.

Where are all the right wing retards that were so adamant that this was casus belli for Iraq?

Anyone want to stand up and tell ushow Hussien gassed his own people so Bush was totally righteous for knocking over Iraq?

Anyone?   Beuhler?
 
2013-06-14 08:48:38 PM  
Here's a quick google for 'Syrian rebel atrocites'''. Come for the massacres of Christians and Shi ites, stay for the individual beheadings for blasphemy.
 
2013-06-14 08:48:48 PM  
 
2013-06-14 08:49:24 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Assad is using chemical weapons, not the rebels.


No.. the rebels got a little dirty themselves, too
 
2013-06-14 08:49:33 PM  
 
2013-06-14 08:49:42 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here


Democrats do something or do nothing, Republicans biatch
Republicans do something or do nothing, Democrats biatch
 
2013-06-14 08:50:21 PM  

Befuddled: I understand wanting Assad gone, but maybe that just can't happen right now. Maybe a quick defeat of the rebels is the least painful way to end this.


My thoughts too.
 
2013-06-14 08:51:17 PM  
remember when the US used to help Iraq kill Iranians?
same farking thing.....
will we never learn?

nothing is going to make shiates get along with sunnis, and getting into the middle of it is historically a bad idea, for everyone.
 
2013-06-14 08:51:45 PM  
Main boots on the ground, major legwork being down in Syria is being done by seasoned veterans who were blooded killing American troops in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. All of you who support the Islamists against Assad's secular government are no better than the people who flew planes into the World Trade Center.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:30 PM  
The stupid is strong in this administration.

And the stupid is strong in Mr. McCain.

Wasted money.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:58 PM  

simplicimus: Dinki: simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.

Doesn't have to be all.


By that logic couldn't we also say...

"Americans are Al-Qeada.

Doesn't have to be all."
 
2013-06-14 08:53:24 PM  

Giltric: Why tanks need infantry support. possibly NSFW


I hate when that happens in Civ
 
2013-06-14 08:54:16 PM  
so what if they used chemical weapons?

nobody (now) seems to think Saddam's much wider use of chemical agents against his own citizens was worth acting on....
 
2013-06-14 08:54:20 PM  

Giltric: Why tanks need infantry support. possibly NSFW


Wow, that took balls. Armor needs legs, but the armor also has to do a sh*t ton better than those clowns in vehicle protection. I'm assuming that thing has a coax, right?
 
2013-06-14 08:54:46 PM  

Giltric: Why tanks need infantry support. possibly NSFW


Wow. Thank god he didn't use a chemical weapon. That would have been terrible.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:37 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning


I would trade him 3 of those mattel things for that FN.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:38 PM  

Popular Opinion: so what if they used chemical weapons?

nobody (now) seems to think Saddam's much wider use of chemical agents against his own citizens a Kurdish rebel uprising was worth acting on....


FTFY.
 
2013-06-14 09:00:06 PM  
US troops on Syria border as Obama arms rebelsThree hundred US Marines have been deployed to northern Jordan to pave the way for the West to arm Syrian rebels.http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article379 1863.ece
 
2013-06-14 09:00:57 PM  
The west should stay well out of the mess.  Spats will inevitably break out around the world from time to time, but unless the b*ggers actually attack a sovereign nation, we need to learn to close our eyes, ignore the noise and let them have at it.  The Swiss have done very well by remaining admirably neutral for years.

And can we please get rid of the U.N. - Syria is the sort of thing the institution was designed to counter and yet they seem to manage precious little for an awful lot of money.
 
2013-06-14 09:01:18 PM  

Popular Opinion: so what if they used chemical weapons?


It's just war propaganda. They think we're stupid. It gave them an excuse to draw the line in the sand. Washington can now say, "it's not our fault. We didn't want war......They made us do it."

The first casualty in war is the truth.
 
2013-06-14 09:04:01 PM  

Vectron: Popular Opinion: so what if they used chemical weapons?

It's just war propaganda. They think we're stupid. It gave them an excuse to draw the line in the sand. Washington can now say, "it's not our fault. We didn't want war......They made us do it."

The first casualty in war is the truth.


War never changes.
 
2013-06-14 09:18:48 PM  
To be fair subby, the CIA's actions in all of those vacation spots you mentioned ACTUALLY worked pretty well (as initially planned), it was the follow up they didn't do so well with....
 
2013-06-14 09:19:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?


Best Korea?
 
2013-06-14 09:19:40 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Hi cute because it's Obama war the liberals are turning into

(Rachel ) Maddow Marauders



// can't wait for Madonna USO tour .


The only people that called Mr. Obama are the GOP. He instantly became tje liberalist liberal to ever lib as soon as he became a presidential contender. Dude is a pinch to the right of Mr. Clinton.

But hey, if the fantasy fills your Depends run with it.
 
2013-06-14 09:25:42 PM  
The pointy heads need to invent disposable weapons, weapons with a "use by" date that go bad like cheese after a certain time period.

/ or, it could be gin and tonics typing for me
 
2013-06-14 09:27:27 PM  

Silverstaff: Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?

Best Korea?

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 09:27:46 PM  
Well, the no fly zone option is off the table  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/14/syria-no-fly-zone-white-hous e _n_3442955.html and no boots on the ground. IMHO, correct decisions.
 
2013-06-14 09:28:05 PM  
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If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
 
2013-06-14 09:30:45 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Vectron: AndreMA: I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.


Congratulations, you now have your own monitor.

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Your location is being printed up on a dot matrix as we speak.  The operator just needs to hit the Turbo button and they'll be on you like that.

I wonder if that baby can play Test Drive II?


That man is playing Galaga! Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did.
 
2013-06-14 09:31:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Silverstaff: Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?

Best Korea?
[i44.tinypic.com image 658x492]


too soon
 
2013-06-14 09:31:39 PM  
So if the rebels win, we expect the moderates to fight another civil war against the extremists?  Or do we just think the extremists will hang up their weapons and go home?
 
2013-06-14 09:31:51 PM  
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2013-06-14 09:31:53 PM  
The Nobel Peace Prize winner don't seem to have much of a plan.   He's getting treated like a chump by his friends.

"Obama should Resist the Clintons & Europe on Syria

Posted on 06/14/2013 by Juan Cole

Former president Bill Clinton  criticized President Obama on Thursday for his inaction in regard to Syria. This step seems extraordinary and surely has something to do with positioning Hillary Clinton to run as a more hawkish New Democrat against anyone in the Obama circle in 2016. As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton appears to have pushed for arming the Syrian rebels, but could not get Obama's backing for the move. Bill Clinton's criticism is extremely unfair, since there are many bad situations in the world in which the US cannot fruitfully intervene, and Clinton knows this sad truth all too well..."


Resist the Clintons and Europe ?   No, he's too much of a wuss.
 
2013-06-14 09:32:22 PM  
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2013-06-14 09:36:28 PM  

Vectron: If you can't beat 'em join 'em.


Flags on Cars


i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 09:37:05 PM  

drewbob21: So if the rebels win, we expect the moderates to fight another civil war against the extremists?  Or do we just think the extremists will hang up their weapons and go home?


i believe the majority of the extremists are foreign fighters.  So yes, hopefully the moderates help kill those buggers off before they head back to iraq, afghanistan, yemen et al.
 
2013-06-14 09:37:19 PM  
Under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act that he personally signed into law, President Barack Obama should immediately be arrested and indefinitely detained for providing support to Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.
 
2013-06-14 09:39:27 PM  
Dr. Hibbert was worried about Syrian hardliners gaining influence a decade ago.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-14 09:40:00 PM  

Nick Nostril: The pointy heads need to invent disposable weapons, weapons with a "use by" date that go bad like cheese after a certain time period.

/ or, it could be gin and tonics typing for me


I like this idea.

/ Maybe I need to add more tonic:)
 
2013-06-14 09:42:19 PM  

Deep Contact: Under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act that he personally signed into law, President Barack Obama should immediately be arrested and indefinitely detained for providing support to Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.


False dichotomy; false continuum.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:01 PM  

Dinki: simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.


Relatively few of the Egyptian rebels were fundamentalist Muslims, either.   And yet, they now run the country.  But I'm sure that the more organized and better funded segment of the rebel movement won't take power in Syria.  Couldn't possibly happen twice.  Right?
 
2013-06-14 09:48:21 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Silverstaff: Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?

Best Korea?
[i44.tinypic.com image 658x492]


I don't think the USS Pueblo counts as something we "supplied" to them.    "Supplied" generally implies we intended to provide it to the recipient, an act-of-war capturing of a US warship in international waters is hardly supplying them with anything anymore than a carjacking victim supplies a thug with a new vehicle..
 
2013-06-14 09:56:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservativesother party biatchs
Arm the rebels: conservativesDo anything: other party biatchs

FTFCommonSense

/I sense a pattern here

//Yes it is a pattern throughout political history
 
2013-06-14 10:00:12 PM  

Mock26: The Bestest: Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.

why is that?

I want to see how far the U.S. is willing to interfere with the internal problems of another country.  And a higher body count.  The boon will be good for the coffin makers.


You're a horrible person.
 
2013-06-14 10:01:01 PM  
starting a war front in Middle East, spying on email, text, and telephone conversations of millions if not hundreds of millions of U.S. citizens, secret trials for whistleblowers, using the IRS to harangue political opponents, expanding the "Patriot" act, keeping Gitmo open, Muslims bombing Boston, Muslims killing our diplomats.

There is NO difference in the parties.
 
2013-06-14 10:01:31 PM  
I can respect people who take a pacifist or isolationist worldview.  I disagree with it, but it's a valid point of view that should be argued to the American people to keep things in check.

It must suck for anyone who bought Obama's condemnations of The Bush Doctrine, supported him, and then voted for Obama.

Personally, I supported the Iraq war and do not regret it.  The Afghanistan mess lasted too long, and I think we were there too long.

I am delighted that Obama is going to encourage warfare in Syria as the people there fight eachother, hopefully destroying more of eachother.  I am curious if Obama picked now to do this after he's been having a tough time with scandals, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

It's a little weird that Obama is actually a more gungho Hawk than Dick Cheney, but it's the truth.  Obama has kept Gitmo open, expanded extraordinary rendition, and uses drones far, far more than the Bush folks.

I disagree with most of Obama's policies, but this is the silver lining.  I do think Obama should have been a little more upfront about his views.  I would have considered voting for him.
 
2013-06-14 10:02:01 PM  
Every hundred years we should dust off the Sykes-Picot Agreement and ask if it's really working.

Possibly a Kurdish state, a Shia state, a Sunni state, a Turkish officially non-religious state, a Jewish state could all be drawn this time and the oil companies given a mandate. Left out the pipeline states.  And the Alabama of the middle east.

Seems there's always conflict when the big boys leave town: Hapsburgs and Yugoslavia, Ottomans and Middle East, Russia and Eastern Europe. If only there were a way to perpetuate brual mega empires.
 
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