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(CNN)   CIA to supply small arms to Syrian rebels. Because this worked so well in Afghanistan. And Beirut. And Nicaragua. And El Salvador. And   (cnn.com) divider line 219
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2013-06-14 07:59:01 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Hey. A Democrat is doing it now, so it will work. Right?


graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-06-14 07:59:38 PM  

The Bestest: whither_apophis: R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?

All of them

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed

toss some Raytheon in there too


Don't forget Alliant Techsystems.
 
2013-06-14 08:01:16 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here


i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 08:01:39 PM  
i655.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 08:04:39 PM  
Great. Zero is giving the Syrian rebels million$ in support and weaponry. Yet after almost 5 years of being in office, he has yet to pay my mortgage off, like he promised. Thanks a lot Fartbama.
 
2013-06-14 08:05:28 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.


What's Russia and China doing?
 
2013-06-14 08:05:33 PM  
This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk
 
2013-06-14 08:05:46 PM  
Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.
 
2013-06-14 08:06:41 PM  

Oztemprom: CheatCommando: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

-Wilfred Owen


This ^ is why involuntary conscription of poets makes for bad warriors.

/pizza faced pencil necked geek


He volunteered.
 
2013-06-14 08:07:18 PM  

basemetal: Who stands to pr


You guessed it. Frank Stallone.

tweak3d.net
 
2013-06-14 08:07:59 PM  

basemetal: Who stands to profit the most?


goddammitsomuch
 
2013-06-14 08:08:28 PM  
onlinevoicecoaching.com

White House Daily Briefing
 June 14, 2013

  White House officials briefed reporters on a number of issues. Questions focused largely on the Syrian civil war and the upcoming G-8 Summit.

  The White House disclosed that the U.S. had conclusive evidence that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime used chemical weapons against opposition forces. In addition, President Obama authorized sending weapons to Syrian opposition for the first time.

  Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes addressed reporter questions on the news saying the president's decision to increase support for the Syrian opposition had been made over the last few weeks.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/event/220194


White House Daily Briefing
 June 13, 2013

Jay Carney briefed reporters and answered questions on a number of topics including U.S. policy toward Syria, National Security Agency (NSA) data collection programs, immigration policy, protests in Turkey, and Iran's nuclear program.


http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WhiteHouseDailyBriefing1857
 
2013-06-14 08:09:45 PM  

simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?


Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.
 
2013-06-14 08:11:02 PM  
I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.
 
2013-06-14 08:11:35 PM  

ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]


Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning
 
2013-06-14 08:12:15 PM  

Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.


why is that?
 
2013-06-14 08:12:20 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?

Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.


I'm thinking this is one proxy war we should sit out.
 
2013-06-14 08:13:04 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Giving Iranian mullahs and Hezbolla the finger by arming secular moderates seeeeeeems like a good idea.

A dark game, foreign policy is.


Part of me... for once... just doesn't care what happens there anymore.

Everything there, government-wise, involves some horrible stomping of the opposing view. They just don't get it.
 
2013-06-14 08:13:06 PM  
Yeah, were not going to supply them with m16 variants, were going to give them AK-74's and Dishka's.
 
2013-06-14 08:14:04 PM  
whither_apophis:

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed

media-social.s-msn.com

/ you can get a geat deal on Booz Allen right now ...
 
2013-06-14 08:14:25 PM  

obamadidcoke: Yeah, were not going to supply them with m16 variants, were going to give them AK-74's and Dishka's.


That we buy from the Chinese.
 
2013-06-14 08:17:44 PM  

simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?

Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.

I'm thinking this is one proxy war we should sit out.


Hell, yes.  It's now turned into a religious Sunni/shiate holy war, centuries in the making. The US needs no part of it.
 
2013-06-14 08:17:46 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.


Except the rebels we are arming are just as bad, if not worse than, the Assad regime
 
2013-06-14 08:19:54 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?

Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.

I'm thinking this is one proxy war we should sit out.

Hell, yes.  It's now turned into a religious Sunni/shiate shi ite holy war, centuries in the making. The US needs no part of it.


Farking autocorrect.
 
2013-06-14 08:22:05 PM  
Shut up citizen, it will be good for the economy and Krugman says its easier than killing aliens.
 
2013-06-14 08:25:19 PM  
i43.tinypic.com

"There'll be another, new war opening soon in a theater near you."



/"How often to do you guys go on a bender like this?" "Bender? Nah, this is just nighttime."
 
2013-06-14 08:26:08 PM  

Vectron: Shut up citizen, it will be good for the economy and Krugman says its easier than killing aliens.


We have a problem.
The companies want something done about this sluggish
world economic situation
Profits have been running a little thin lately
and we need to stimulate some growth
Now we know
there's an alarmingly high number of young people roaming
around in your country with nothing to do but stir up trouble
for the police and damage private property.
It doesn't look like they'll ever get a job
It's about time we did something constructive with these people
 
2013-06-14 08:26:13 PM  

machoprogrammer: Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.

Except the rebels we are arming are just as bad, if not worse than, the Assad regime


Oh, c'mon! I'm sure the Obama administration will conduct thorough universal background checks on all the weapons we give to the rebels for free.
 
2013-06-14 08:26:39 PM  
The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.
 
2013-06-14 08:27:37 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning


This dude has a friggin Steyr Aug.

s1.reutersmedia.net
 
2013-06-14 08:28:18 PM  

RevCarter: The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.


spoiler alert, sheesh!
 
2013-06-14 08:30:43 PM  
Sorry, libbos, but Syria is a member of the Axis of Evil.  I stand with President Bush on this one.
 
2013-06-14 08:30:48 PM  
I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.
 
2013-06-14 08:30:57 PM  

RevCarter: The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.


I honestly believe that is Obama's plan.
 
2013-06-14 08:31:01 PM  
American money to buy guns for Syrians.


Hmmm....
 
2013-06-14 08:31:17 PM  
What bombing people for peace might look like (Serbia)

www.b92.net

upload.wikimedia.org


www.commondreams.org

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-06-14 08:31:45 PM  
I seriously wish we would mind our own farking business.  In Syria, no matter who wins, they will hate us.  The best outcome is both sides kill each other off.
 
2013-06-14 08:32:27 PM  

The Bestest: Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.

why is that?


I want to see how far the U.S. is willing to interfere with the internal problems of another country.  And a higher body count.  The boon will be good for the coffin makers.
 
2013-06-14 08:33:59 PM  

Vectron: What bombing people for peace might look like (Serbia)

[www.b92.net image 370x298]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x224]


[www.commondreams.org image 350x221]

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x330]


Awww... Those poor Serbs. Such lovely people.

/Served with a guy who was tortured in a Serb concentration camp. We should've nuked the f*ckers.
 
2013-06-14 08:34:35 PM  

Vectron: What bombing people for peace might look like (Serbia)

[www.b92.net image 370x298]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x224]


[www.commondreams.org image 350x221]

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x330]


The Serbian government wasn't exactly all nice.  They were bent on genocide.

But that was another situation where we should have stayed the fark out.

Also, look in my profile to see what a hot Serbian might look like.
 
2013-06-14 08:35:54 PM  

OgreMagi: I seriously wish we would mind our own farking business.  In Syria, no matter who wins, they will hate us.  The best outcome is both sides kill each other off.


You're so pessimistic.  We'll just install a pro-American military dictatorship like usual.  It'll hold for at least 20 years.  Obama will be out of office by the time it crumbles and when it does it will be all that that President's fault.

Remember when Carter caused the Ayatollah?  What a douche that guy was.
 
2013-06-14 08:37:09 PM  

AndreMA: I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.



Congratulations, you now have your own monitor.

sourcefednews.com
 
2013-06-14 08:38:48 PM  

simplicimus: Dinki: simplicimus:

Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.

Doesn't have to be all.


Exactly. Just letting them get a chance to steal a rifle from a dead guy is bad enough, but these people, if we believe what our government and mainstream media have been saying for 12 years, are experts at finding ways to hog everything they can. If the US thinks they can keep the arms going only to the people the White House likes they're kidding themselves: civil wars never worked that way, especially not in countries as internally divided as Syria. (In America the North had the luxury of doing the lion's share of the invading and attacking with troops pulled from far away: a real civil war would have had Confederates in Boston and Buffalo and Yankees joining up in Atlanta.)

You know what got rid of most of the anti-Franco groups in Spain? It wasn't the Falangists, it was the Communists on orders from Stalin. There's always a group of dangerous fanatics who care more about the global struggle than what's going on around them, yet they usually insist on running the show or else. And usually they'd rather hand the country over to The Enemy or destroy it themselves than let a bunch of nice guys have anything to say about it.

Does anyone realize that Islamist extremists weren't the only people in Afghanistan opposed to the Soviet invasion? There were (albeit small) Western-style-democratic groups and Trotskyist and Maoist cadres willing to fight, even factions of the ruling party and the Afghan army were against it, but the CIA had to go through its hardline Muslim Arab and Pakistani friends instead. Because a goat-farking maniac has more cred than a trilingual guy with a Master's from Yale.

I blame the Reaganites for 9/11. Now let's sit back and watch the cycle run through again.
 
2013-06-14 08:39:02 PM  

Vectron: AndreMA: I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.


Congratulations, you now have your own monitor.

[sourcefednews.com image 600x400]


Your location is being printed up on a dot matrix as we speak.  The operator just needs to hit the Turbo button and they'll be on you like that.

I wonder if that baby can play Test Drive II?
 
2013-06-14 08:39:30 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning


And Dieudonné Saive (and yes, I know Browning assisted with the perfection of the FAL design)

Looks more like an Imbel (combo device) - and previous pictures of the Syrians and Egyptians unpacking new rifles clearly were Imbel.  Of course, the FAL is still made in Nigeria today...

Funny how the US Government is arming rebels to fight against a government in another country.... and at the same time, they try to restrict ownership of the same weaponry by their citizens...
 
2013-06-14 08:40:37 PM  
i.r.id10t:

Funny how the US Government is arming rebels to fight against a government in another country.... and at the same time, they try to restrict ownership of the same weaponry by their citizens...

Yes.  This is a very insightful comment.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:48 PM  

machoprogrammer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here

You really think this is a good idea? Or do you just feel like ignoring the bigger issue just to insult the other political team?


I don't think it's a good idea at all

/that doesn't change what I said
//I guess if everybody is unhappy, it's middle-of-the-road policy, though
 
2013-06-14 08:43:13 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: RevCarter: The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.

I honestly believe that is Obama's plan.


Anyone who can't see this as the obvious plan is in denial.
 
2013-06-14 08:43:23 PM  
I understand wanting Assad gone, but maybe that just can't happen right now. Maybe a quick defeat of the rebels is the least painful way to end this.

Apparently our State Department is thinking about letting in quite a few Syrian refugees as there have been quite a few people displaced by this civil war. Why is it our problem? We've got enough people who already live here that we need to help right now. The Arab world should be the ones bearing the burden of this mess.
 
2013-06-14 08:44:45 PM  

ChuDogg: Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning

This dude has a friggin Steyr Aug.

[s1.reutersmedia.net image 435x300]


Also...Sturmgewehr 44s


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
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