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(CNN)   CIA to supply small arms to Syrian rebels. Because this worked so well in Afghanistan. And Beirut. And Nicaragua. And El Salvador. And   (cnn.com) divider line 217
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 06:46:16 PM  
Worked great in Afghanistan and Nicaragua.
 
2013-06-14 06:47:41 PM  
img534.imageshack.us
 
2013-06-14 06:50:58 PM  
Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here
 
2013-06-14 06:52:56 PM  
Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.
 
2013-06-14 06:55:19 PM  

simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.


Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.
 
2013-06-14 06:55:34 PM  
Who stands to profit the most?
 
2013-06-14 06:56:32 PM  
How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?
 
2013-06-14 06:57:43 PM  

R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?


What's the record?
 
2013-06-14 07:00:02 PM  
Here's some actual analysis on this, The Syria Strategy Vacuum

The basics: What are the US goals? Looks like it comes down to two basic questions. Are we getting involved for 'humanitarian' reasons? or to spike Iran's wheel? We need to answer that question, before we do anything.
 
2013-06-14 07:00:08 PM  

Dinki: simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.


They are Muslim aren't they? Then they are Al Qeada.

/This is what some people believe.
 
2013-06-14 07:00:27 PM  

Dinki: simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.


Doesn't have to be all.
 
2013-06-14 07:01:50 PM  

R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?


All of them

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed
 
2013-06-14 07:02:13 PM  
The rebels promised U.S. and European officials that any military weaponry they get won't end up with extremists among the anti-government forces, he said.

Did they at least pinky swear?
 
2013-06-14 07:34:22 PM  

whither_apophis: R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?

All of them

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed


toss some Raytheon in there too
 
2013-06-14 07:35:29 PM  
We have no business getting involved in a civil war.
 
2013-06-14 07:37:15 PM  
China to supply them with small legs, feet.
 
2013-06-14 07:37:31 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: We have no business getting involved in a civil war.


Probably not. As mentioned above, whether we should or not is irrelevant when there are other motivations, like pissing off Iran, waving our dicks at Russia and China, and the matter that Israel would really really like us to.
 
2013-06-14 07:37:45 PM  
www.empireonline.com
 
2013-06-14 07:37:48 PM  
[carrier lost]?
 
2013-06-14 07:37:50 PM  
How's the Kool-Aid these days, libs?
 
2013-06-14 07:37:51 PM  
believeinreason.com

Depressingly, Most voters in the next election won't recognize either of these people.
 
2013-06-14 07:39:28 PM  
www.thetantive4.com
 
2013-06-14 07:41:08 PM  

basemetal: Who stands to profit the most?


The Winner....
 
2013-06-14 07:41:45 PM  
So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?
 
2013-06-14 07:42:41 PM  
I'm looking forward to all the jingoism and paranoia coming in the 2030's after the Syrian rebels attack the US, and the ensuing war with Egypt that the US starts for no God damned reason.
 
2013-06-14 07:43:16 PM  
If Assad's forces are using chemical weapons, the UN should intervene. We'd end up making up the lion's share of the forces and support, but at least it wouldn't be looked at as another American invasion.  Plus, it would make it easier to hand over maintenance of the area and get out sooner.
 
2013-06-14 07:44:04 PM  
And we're getting involved there, why?
 
2013-06-14 07:44:24 PM  
I think the humane thing to do is put them all out of their misery.
 
2013-06-14 07:44:35 PM  
I shouldn't imply the Iraq war had no purpose. It was because of the abuse of the Kurds.

That's why we're at war with Iran and Turkey, as well. Oh.....you mean we never really gave a shiat about the Kurds? Okay then.
 
2013-06-14 07:44:39 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: If Assad's forces are using chemical weapons, the UN should intervene. We'd end up making up the lion's share of the forces and support, but at least it wouldn't be looked at as another American invasion.  Plus, it would make it easier to hand over maintenance of the area and get out sooner.


Can we have General Powell convince you and the UN?

/not interested in war
 
2013-06-14 07:44:45 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?


Admit? I take -pride- in it.

/liberal imperialist
//yeah, I'm weird
 
2013-06-14 07:44:46 PM  

weltallica: Depressingly, Most voters in the next election won't recognize either of these people.


Robert conrad and michael caine left/center?

Or dwight yokum and oscar jaenada on the right?
 
2013-06-14 07:45:16 PM  

basemetal: Who stands to profit the most?


www.aceshowbiz.com

/You rang?
 
2013-06-14 07:45:32 PM  
come on all of you strong young men.....
 
2013-06-14 07:47:32 PM  
You know it's real if it's on the internet for the world to see. morans.
 
2013-06-14 07:47:55 PM  
Whew, I bet you right wingers and pro-Israeli shills were worried there for a minute. We can all relax now, Obama's going to make sure America fights Israel's wars.. no better than another Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton or Bush. And for those of you still rooting at home, he won't be another Carter.
 
2013-06-14 07:49:34 PM  
For the very first time ever when they had a revolution in Nicaragua, there was no interference from America. Human rights in America! Well, the people fought the leader, and up he flew, with no Washington bullets what else could he do?  Sandinista!

And if you can find an Afghan rebel that Moscow bullets missed, ask him what he thinks of voting Communist.  Ask the Dalai Lama in the hills of Tibet, how many monks did the Chinese get?  In a war-torn swamp stop any mercenary and check the British bullets in his armory.  Que?
 
2013-06-14 07:49:34 PM  
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

-Wilfred Owen
 
2013-06-14 07:49:44 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here


You really think this is a good idea? Or do you just feel like ignoring the bigger issue just to insult the other political team?
 
2013-06-14 07:52:13 PM  
I prefer these lyrics

The microphone explodes, shattering the molds
Either drop tha hits like de la O or get tha fark off tha commode
Wit tha sure shot, sure ta make tha bodies drop
Drop an don't copy yo, don't call this a co-op
Terror rains drenchin', quenchin' tha thirst of tha power dons
That five sided fist-a-gon
Tha rotten sore on tha face of mother earth gets bigger
Tha triggers cold empty ya purse
Rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
They rally round tha family! With a pocket full of shells
Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk tha corner to tha rubble that used to be a library
Line up to tha mind cemetery now
What we don't know keeps tha contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as tha cells
Rally round tha family, pockets full of shells
 
2013-06-14 07:53:03 PM  

machoprogrammer: You really think this is a good idea?


Here's the thing.. do I think its a good idea tactically? Hell no. Do I think it's a political necessity (globally.. taking action in Syria probably has more negatives than positives in domestic politics). Unfortunately yes.
 
2013-06-14 07:53:12 PM  

SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?


Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.
 
2013-06-14 07:54:09 PM  

Flatus: How's the Kool-Aid these days, libs?


Getting used to waterboard anyone that disagrees with starting another war. At least the kool-aid is delicious. Tastes like ... hope and change.
 
2013-06-14 07:55:29 PM  

CheatCommando: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

-Wilfred Owen



This ^ is why involuntary conscription of poets makes for bad warriors.

/pizza faced pencil necked geek
 
2013-06-14 07:55:38 PM  
Hi cute because it's Obama war the liberals are turning into

(Rachel ) Maddow Marauders

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

// can't wait for Madonna USO tour .
 
2013-06-14 07:55:41 PM  
Hey. A Democrat is doing it now, so it will work. Right?
 
2013-06-14 07:56:20 PM  
oi39.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 07:57:26 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Hi cute because it's Obama war the liberals are turning into

(Rachel ) Maddow Marauders

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 195x258]

// can't wait for Madonna USO tour .


Kids, don't do drugs.
 
2013-06-14 07:57:58 PM  
Giving Iranian mullahs and Hezbolla the finger by arming secular moderates seeeeeeems like a good idea.

A dark game, foreign policy is.
 
2013-06-14 07:58:53 PM  
"And if we can't do that, then the question ought to be asked to the American taxpayer -- to the Pentagon, 'What in the world are we wasting tens of billions of dollars for defense for if we can't even take care of this situation?'" McCain said.

One wonders....
 
2013-06-14 07:59:01 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Hey. A Democrat is doing it now, so it will work. Right?


graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-06-14 07:59:38 PM  

The Bestest: whither_apophis: R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?

All of them

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed

toss some Raytheon in there too


Don't forget Alliant Techsystems.
 
2013-06-14 08:01:16 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here


i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 08:01:39 PM  
i655.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 08:04:39 PM  
Great. Zero is giving the Syrian rebels million$ in support and weaponry. Yet after almost 5 years of being in office, he has yet to pay my mortgage off, like he promised. Thanks a lot Fartbama.
 
2013-06-14 08:05:28 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.


What's Russia and China doing?
 
2013-06-14 08:05:33 PM  
This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

www.thesundaytimes.co.uk
 
2013-06-14 08:05:46 PM  
Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.
 
2013-06-14 08:06:41 PM  

Oztemprom: CheatCommando: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

-Wilfred Owen


This ^ is why involuntary conscription of poets makes for bad warriors.

/pizza faced pencil necked geek


He volunteered.
 
2013-06-14 08:07:18 PM  

basemetal: Who stands to pr


You guessed it. Frank Stallone.

tweak3d.net
 
2013-06-14 08:07:59 PM  

basemetal: Who stands to profit the most?


goddammitsomuch
 
2013-06-14 08:08:28 PM  
onlinevoicecoaching.com

White House Daily Briefing
 June 14, 2013

  White House officials briefed reporters on a number of issues. Questions focused largely on the Syrian civil war and the upcoming G-8 Summit.

  The White House disclosed that the U.S. had conclusive evidence that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime used chemical weapons against opposition forces. In addition, President Obama authorized sending weapons to Syrian opposition for the first time.

  Deputy National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes addressed reporter questions on the news saying the president's decision to increase support for the Syrian opposition had been made over the last few weeks.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/event/220194


White House Daily Briefing
 June 13, 2013

Jay Carney briefed reporters and answered questions on a number of topics including U.S. policy toward Syria, National Security Agency (NSA) data collection programs, immigration policy, protests in Turkey, and Iran's nuclear program.


http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WhiteHouseDailyBriefing1857
 
2013-06-14 08:09:45 PM  

simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?


Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.
 
2013-06-14 08:11:02 PM  
I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.
 
2013-06-14 08:11:35 PM  

ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]


Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning
 
2013-06-14 08:12:15 PM  

Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.


why is that?
 
2013-06-14 08:12:20 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?

Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.


I'm thinking this is one proxy war we should sit out.
 
2013-06-14 08:13:04 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Giving Iranian mullahs and Hezbolla the finger by arming secular moderates seeeeeeems like a good idea.

A dark game, foreign policy is.


Part of me... for once... just doesn't care what happens there anymore.

Everything there, government-wise, involves some horrible stomping of the opposing view. They just don't get it.
 
2013-06-14 08:14:04 PM  
whither_apophis:

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed

media-social.s-msn.com

/ you can get a geat deal on Booz Allen right now ...
 
2013-06-14 08:17:44 PM  

simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?

Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.

I'm thinking this is one proxy war we should sit out.


Hell, yes.  It's now turned into a religious Sunni/shiate holy war, centuries in the making. The US needs no part of it.
 
2013-06-14 08:17:46 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.


Except the rebels we are arming are just as bad, if not worse than, the Assad regime
 
2013-06-14 08:19:54 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: simplicimus: Ow! That was my feelings!: SirEattonHogg: And we're getting involved there, why?

Because, Hezbollah has now joined the fight and Assad and Iran are going to 'win' if we don't interfere or something. Oh, look! Egypt is now joining the war.  What a non-surprise.

What's Russia and China doing?

Well, Russia is counting their rubles from all the military contracts and China is hoping we bleed more money and people into the Middle East and therefore advance our demise and their ability to be the next, only Superpower.

I'm thinking this is one proxy war we should sit out.

Hell, yes.  It's now turned into a religious Sunni/shiate shi ite holy war, centuries in the making. The US needs no part of it.


Farking autocorrect.
 
2013-06-14 08:22:05 PM  
Shut up citizen, it will be good for the economy and Krugman says its easier than killing aliens.
 
2013-06-14 08:25:19 PM  
i43.tinypic.com

"There'll be another, new war opening soon in a theater near you."



/"How often to do you guys go on a bender like this?" "Bender? Nah, this is just nighttime."
 
2013-06-14 08:26:08 PM  

Vectron: Shut up citizen, it will be good for the economy and Krugman says its easier than killing aliens.


We have a problem.
The companies want something done about this sluggish
world economic situation
Profits have been running a little thin lately
and we need to stimulate some growth
Now we know
there's an alarmingly high number of young people roaming
around in your country with nothing to do but stir up trouble
for the police and damage private property.
It doesn't look like they'll ever get a job
It's about time we did something constructive with these people
 
2013-06-14 08:26:13 PM  

machoprogrammer: Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.

Except the rebels we are arming are just as bad, if not worse than, the Assad regime


Oh, c'mon! I'm sure the Obama administration will conduct thorough universal background checks on all the weapons we give to the rebels for free.
 
2013-06-14 08:26:39 PM  
The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.
 
2013-06-14 08:27:37 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning


This dude has a friggin Steyr Aug.

s1.reutersmedia.net
 
2013-06-14 08:28:18 PM  

RevCarter: The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.


spoiler alert, sheesh!
 
2013-06-14 08:30:43 PM  
Sorry, libbos, but Syria is a member of the Axis of Evil.  I stand with President Bush on this one.
 
2013-06-14 08:30:48 PM  
I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.
 
2013-06-14 08:30:57 PM  

RevCarter: The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.


I honestly believe that is Obama's plan.
 
2013-06-14 08:31:01 PM  
American money to buy guns for Syrians.


Hmmm....
 
2013-06-14 08:31:17 PM  
What bombing people for peace might look like (Serbia)

www.b92.net

upload.wikimedia.org


www.commondreams.org

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2013-06-14 08:31:45 PM  
I seriously wish we would mind our own farking business.  In Syria, no matter who wins, they will hate us.  The best outcome is both sides kill each other off.
 
2013-06-14 08:32:27 PM  

The Bestest: Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.

why is that?


I want to see how far the U.S. is willing to interfere with the internal problems of another country.  And a higher body count.  The boon will be good for the coffin makers.
 
2013-06-14 08:33:59 PM  

Vectron: What bombing people for peace might look like (Serbia)

[www.b92.net image 370x298]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x224]


[www.commondreams.org image 350x221]

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x330]


Awww... Those poor Serbs. Such lovely people.

/Served with a guy who was tortured in a Serb concentration camp. We should've nuked the f*ckers.
 
2013-06-14 08:34:35 PM  

Vectron: What bombing people for peace might look like (Serbia)

[www.b92.net image 370x298]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x224]


[www.commondreams.org image 350x221]

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x330]


The Serbian government wasn't exactly all nice.  They were bent on genocide.

But that was another situation where we should have stayed the fark out.

Also, look in my profile to see what a hot Serbian might look like.
 
2013-06-14 08:35:54 PM  

OgreMagi: I seriously wish we would mind our own farking business.  In Syria, no matter who wins, they will hate us.  The best outcome is both sides kill each other off.


You're so pessimistic.  We'll just install a pro-American military dictatorship like usual.  It'll hold for at least 20 years.  Obama will be out of office by the time it crumbles and when it does it will be all that that President's fault.

Remember when Carter caused the Ayatollah?  What a douche that guy was.
 
2013-06-14 08:37:09 PM  

AndreMA: I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.



Congratulations, you now have your own monitor.

sourcefednews.com
 
2013-06-14 08:38:48 PM  

simplicimus: Dinki: simplicimus:

Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.

Doesn't have to be all.


Exactly. Just letting them get a chance to steal a rifle from a dead guy is bad enough, but these people, if we believe what our government and mainstream media have been saying for 12 years, are experts at finding ways to hog everything they can. If the US thinks they can keep the arms going only to the people the White House likes they're kidding themselves: civil wars never worked that way, especially not in countries as internally divided as Syria. (In America the North had the luxury of doing the lion's share of the invading and attacking with troops pulled from far away: a real civil war would have had Confederates in Boston and Buffalo and Yankees joining up in Atlanta.)

You know what got rid of most of the anti-Franco groups in Spain? It wasn't the Falangists, it was the Communists on orders from Stalin. There's always a group of dangerous fanatics who care more about the global struggle than what's going on around them, yet they usually insist on running the show or else. And usually they'd rather hand the country over to The Enemy or destroy it themselves than let a bunch of nice guys have anything to say about it.

Does anyone realize that Islamist extremists weren't the only people in Afghanistan opposed to the Soviet invasion? There were (albeit small) Western-style-democratic groups and Trotskyist and Maoist cadres willing to fight, even factions of the ruling party and the Afghan army were against it, but the CIA had to go through its hardline Muslim Arab and Pakistani friends instead. Because a goat-farking maniac has more cred than a trilingual guy with a Master's from Yale.

I blame the Reaganites for 9/11. Now let's sit back and watch the cycle run through again.
 
2013-06-14 08:39:02 PM  

Vectron: AndreMA: I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.


Congratulations, you now have your own monitor.

[sourcefednews.com image 600x400]


Your location is being printed up on a dot matrix as we speak.  The operator just needs to hit the Turbo button and they'll be on you like that.

I wonder if that baby can play Test Drive II?
 
2013-06-14 08:39:30 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning


And Dieudonné Saive (and yes, I know Browning assisted with the perfection of the FAL design)

Looks more like an Imbel (combo device) - and previous pictures of the Syrians and Egyptians unpacking new rifles clearly were Imbel.  Of course, the FAL is still made in Nigeria today...

Funny how the US Government is arming rebels to fight against a government in another country.... and at the same time, they try to restrict ownership of the same weaponry by their citizens...
 
2013-06-14 08:40:37 PM  
i.r.id10t:

Funny how the US Government is arming rebels to fight against a government in another country.... and at the same time, they try to restrict ownership of the same weaponry by their citizens...

Yes.  This is a very insightful comment.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:48 PM  

machoprogrammer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here

You really think this is a good idea? Or do you just feel like ignoring the bigger issue just to insult the other political team?


I don't think it's a good idea at all

/that doesn't change what I said
//I guess if everybody is unhappy, it's middle-of-the-road policy, though
 
2013-06-14 08:43:13 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: RevCarter: The strategy is a simple one: maintan the Civil War. Bleed Iran and Hezbollah. Let Russia ruin their own brand in the Middle East.

do some favors, earn some allies, build up knowledge of assets and enemy's on the ground in preparation for for the next stage.

Assad can't win. And we just need a stalemate until he is either killed or removed by his own people, or he flees the country with or without a negotiated settlement.

I honestly believe that is Obama's plan.


Anyone who can't see this as the obvious plan is in denial.
 
2013-06-14 08:43:23 PM  
I understand wanting Assad gone, but maybe that just can't happen right now. Maybe a quick defeat of the rebels is the least painful way to end this.

Apparently our State Department is thinking about letting in quite a few Syrian refugees as there have been quite a few people displaced by this civil war. Why is it our problem? We've got enough people who already live here that we need to help right now. The Arab world should be the ones bearing the burden of this mess.
 
2013-06-14 08:44:45 PM  

ChuDogg: Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning

This dude has a friggin Steyr Aug.

[s1.reutersmedia.net image 435x300]


Also...Sturmgewehr 44s


farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-14 08:45:15 PM  

whither_apophis: R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?

All of them

/note to self: call broker, buy stock in Boeing, GE and Lockheed


Umm... Raytheon does most of the bombs/missiles.  You'd have better luck there.  It would be air support only most likely.
 
2013-06-14 08:45:43 PM  

machoprogrammer: Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.

Except the rebels we are arming are just as bad, if not worse than, the Assad regime


Assad is using chemical weapons, not the rebels.
 
2013-06-14 08:46:35 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Remember when Carter caused the Ayatollah?


Jimmy Carter is Ayatollah Khomeini's father?
 
2013-06-14 08:48:16 PM  
webthing01:
  The White House disclosed that the U.S. had conclusive evidence that Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime used chemical weapons against opposition forces. In addition, President Obama authorized sending weapons to Syrian opposition for the first time.

Where are all the right wing retards that were so adamant that this was casus belli for Iraq?

Anyone want to stand up and tell ushow Hussien gassed his own people so Bush was totally righteous for knocking over Iraq?

Anyone?   Beuhler?
 
2013-06-14 08:48:38 PM  
Here's a quick google for 'Syrian rebel atrocites'''. Come for the massacres of Christians and Shi ites, stay for the individual beheadings for blasphemy.
 
2013-06-14 08:48:48 PM  
 
2013-06-14 08:49:24 PM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Assad is using chemical weapons, not the rebels.


No.. the rebels got a little dirty themselves, too
 
2013-06-14 08:49:33 PM  
 
2013-06-14 08:49:42 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservatives biatch
Arm the rebels: conservatives biatch

/I sense a pattern here


Democrats do something or do nothing, Republicans biatch
Republicans do something or do nothing, Democrats biatch
 
2013-06-14 08:50:21 PM  

Befuddled: I understand wanting Assad gone, but maybe that just can't happen right now. Maybe a quick defeat of the rebels is the least painful way to end this.


My thoughts too.
 
2013-06-14 08:51:17 PM  
remember when the US used to help Iraq kill Iranians?
same farking thing.....
will we never learn?

nothing is going to make shiates get along with sunnis, and getting into the middle of it is historically a bad idea, for everyone.
 
2013-06-14 08:51:45 PM  
Main boots on the ground, major legwork being down in Syria is being done by seasoned veterans who were blooded killing American troops in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. All of you who support the Islamists against Assad's secular government are no better than the people who flew planes into the World Trade Center.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:30 PM  
The stupid is strong in this administration.

And the stupid is strong in Mr. McCain.

Wasted money.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:58 PM  

simplicimus: Dinki: simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.

Doesn't have to be all.


By that logic couldn't we also say...

"Americans are Al-Qeada.

Doesn't have to be all."
 
2013-06-14 08:53:24 PM  

Giltric: Why tanks need infantry support. possibly NSFW


I hate when that happens in Civ
 
2013-06-14 08:54:16 PM  
so what if they used chemical weapons?

nobody (now) seems to think Saddam's much wider use of chemical agents against his own citizens was worth acting on....
 
2013-06-14 08:54:20 PM  

Giltric: Why tanks need infantry support. possibly NSFW


Wow, that took balls. Armor needs legs, but the armor also has to do a sh*t ton better than those clowns in vehicle protection. I'm assuming that thing has a coax, right?
 
2013-06-14 08:54:46 PM  

Giltric: Why tanks need infantry support. possibly NSFW


Wow. Thank god he didn't use a chemical weapon. That would have been terrible.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:37 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning


I would trade him 3 of those mattel things for that FN.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:38 PM  

Popular Opinion: so what if they used chemical weapons?

nobody (now) seems to think Saddam's much wider use of chemical agents against his own citizens a Kurdish rebel uprising was worth acting on....


FTFY.
 
2013-06-14 09:00:06 PM  
US troops on Syria border as Obama arms rebelsThree hundred US Marines have been deployed to northern Jordan to pave the way for the West to arm Syrian rebels.http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article379 1863.ece
 
2013-06-14 09:00:57 PM  
The west should stay well out of the mess.  Spats will inevitably break out around the world from time to time, but unless the b*ggers actually attack a sovereign nation, we need to learn to close our eyes, ignore the noise and let them have at it.  The Swiss have done very well by remaining admirably neutral for years.

And can we please get rid of the U.N. - Syria is the sort of thing the institution was designed to counter and yet they seem to manage precious little for an awful lot of money.
 
2013-06-14 09:01:18 PM  

Popular Opinion: so what if they used chemical weapons?


It's just war propaganda. They think we're stupid. It gave them an excuse to draw the line in the sand. Washington can now say, "it's not our fault. We didn't want war......They made us do it."

The first casualty in war is the truth.
 
2013-06-14 09:04:01 PM  

Vectron: Popular Opinion: so what if they used chemical weapons?

It's just war propaganda. They think we're stupid. It gave them an excuse to draw the line in the sand. Washington can now say, "it's not our fault. We didn't want war......They made us do it."

The first casualty in war is the truth.


War never changes.
 
2013-06-14 09:18:48 PM  
To be fair subby, the CIA's actions in all of those vacation spots you mentioned ACTUALLY worked pretty well (as initially planned), it was the follow up they didn't do so well with....
 
2013-06-14 09:19:36 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?


Best Korea?
 
2013-06-14 09:19:40 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Hi cute because it's Obama war the liberals are turning into

(Rachel ) Maddow Marauders



// can't wait for Madonna USO tour .


The only people that called Mr. Obama are the GOP. He instantly became tje liberalist liberal to ever lib as soon as he became a presidential contender. Dude is a pinch to the right of Mr. Clinton.

But hey, if the fantasy fills your Depends run with it.
 
2013-06-14 09:25:42 PM  
The pointy heads need to invent disposable weapons, weapons with a "use by" date that go bad like cheese after a certain time period.

/ or, it could be gin and tonics typing for me
 
2013-06-14 09:27:27 PM  

Silverstaff: Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?

Best Korea?

i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 09:27:46 PM  
Well, the no fly zone option is off the table  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/14/syria-no-fly-zone-white-hous e _n_3442955.html and no boots on the ground. IMHO, correct decisions.
 
2013-06-14 09:28:05 PM  
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Get yours while they last!


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If you can't beat 'em join 'em.
 
2013-06-14 09:30:45 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Vectron: AndreMA: I seriously have to ask myself how much better off we'd be if, on 9/11, they'd attacked Langley and Ft. Meade.


Congratulations, you now have your own monitor.

[sourcefednews.com image 600x400]

Your location is being printed up on a dot matrix as we speak.  The operator just needs to hit the Turbo button and they'll be on you like that.

I wonder if that baby can play Test Drive II?


That man is playing Galaga! Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did.
 
2013-06-14 09:31:01 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Silverstaff: Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?

Best Korea?
[i44.tinypic.com image 658x492]


too soon
 
2013-06-14 09:31:39 PM  
So if the rebels win, we expect the moderates to fight another civil war against the extremists?  Or do we just think the extremists will hang up their weapons and go home?
 
2013-06-14 09:31:51 PM  
img690.imageshack.us
 
2013-06-14 09:31:53 PM  
The Nobel Peace Prize winner don't seem to have much of a plan.   He's getting treated like a chump by his friends.

"Obama should Resist the Clintons & Europe on Syria

Posted on 06/14/2013 by Juan Cole

Former president Bill Clinton  criticized President Obama on Thursday for his inaction in regard to Syria. This step seems extraordinary and surely has something to do with positioning Hillary Clinton to run as a more hawkish New Democrat against anyone in the Obama circle in 2016. As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton appears to have pushed for arming the Syrian rebels, but could not get Obama's backing for the move. Bill Clinton's criticism is extremely unfair, since there are many bad situations in the world in which the US cannot fruitfully intervene, and Clinton knows this sad truth all too well..."


Resist the Clintons and Europe ?   No, he's too much of a wuss.
 
2013-06-14 09:32:22 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-14 09:36:28 PM  

Vectron: If you can't beat 'em join 'em.


Flags on Cars


i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 09:37:05 PM  

drewbob21: So if the rebels win, we expect the moderates to fight another civil war against the extremists?  Or do we just think the extremists will hang up their weapons and go home?


i believe the majority of the extremists are foreign fighters.  So yes, hopefully the moderates help kill those buggers off before they head back to iraq, afghanistan, yemen et al.
 
2013-06-14 09:37:19 PM  
Under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act that he personally signed into law, President Barack Obama should immediately be arrested and indefinitely detained for providing support to Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.
 
2013-06-14 09:39:27 PM  
Dr. Hibbert was worried about Syrian hardliners gaining influence a decade ago.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-14 09:40:00 PM  

Nick Nostril: The pointy heads need to invent disposable weapons, weapons with a "use by" date that go bad like cheese after a certain time period.

/ or, it could be gin and tonics typing for me


I like this idea.

/ Maybe I need to add more tonic:)
 
2013-06-14 09:42:19 PM  

Deep Contact: Under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act that he personally signed into law, President Barack Obama should immediately be arrested and indefinitely detained for providing support to Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.


False dichotomy; false continuum.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:01 PM  

Dinki: simplicimus: Arming Al-Qaeda? No downside here. And Putin has a good sense of humor, right.

Yes, because all the Syrian rebels are Al-Qeada.


Relatively few of the Egyptian rebels were fundamentalist Muslims, either.   And yet, they now run the country.  But I'm sure that the more organized and better funded segment of the rebel movement won't take power in Syria.  Couldn't possibly happen twice.  Right?
 
2013-06-14 09:48:21 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Silverstaff: Nadie_AZ: So can we openly admit the US is an empire, economically and militarily? Where *can't* you find weapons supplied by the US?

Best Korea?
[i44.tinypic.com image 658x492]


I don't think the USS Pueblo counts as something we "supplied" to them.    "Supplied" generally implies we intended to provide it to the recipient, an act-of-war capturing of a US warship in international waters is hardly supplying them with anything anymore than a carjacking victim supplies a thug with a new vehicle..
 
2013-06-14 09:56:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Do nothing: conservativesother party biatchs
Arm the rebels: conservativesDo anything: other party biatchs

FTFCommonSense

/I sense a pattern here

//Yes it is a pattern throughout political history
 
2013-06-14 10:00:12 PM  

Mock26: The Bestest: Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.

why is that?

I want to see how far the U.S. is willing to interfere with the internal problems of another country.  And a higher body count.  The boon will be good for the coffin makers.


You're a horrible person.
 
2013-06-14 10:01:01 PM  
starting a war front in Middle East, spying on email, text, and telephone conversations of millions if not hundreds of millions of U.S. citizens, secret trials for whistleblowers, using the IRS to harangue political opponents, expanding the "Patriot" act, keeping Gitmo open, Muslims bombing Boston, Muslims killing our diplomats.

There is NO difference in the parties.
 
2013-06-14 10:01:31 PM  
I can respect people who take a pacifist or isolationist worldview.  I disagree with it, but it's a valid point of view that should be argued to the American people to keep things in check.

It must suck for anyone who bought Obama's condemnations of The Bush Doctrine, supported him, and then voted for Obama.

Personally, I supported the Iraq war and do not regret it.  The Afghanistan mess lasted too long, and I think we were there too long.

I am delighted that Obama is going to encourage warfare in Syria as the people there fight eachother, hopefully destroying more of eachother.  I am curious if Obama picked now to do this after he's been having a tough time with scandals, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

It's a little weird that Obama is actually a more gungho Hawk than Dick Cheney, but it's the truth.  Obama has kept Gitmo open, expanded extraordinary rendition, and uses drones far, far more than the Bush folks.

I disagree with most of Obama's policies, but this is the silver lining.  I do think Obama should have been a little more upfront about his views.  I would have considered voting for him.
 
2013-06-14 10:02:01 PM  
Every hundred years we should dust off the Sykes-Picot Agreement and ask if it's really working.

Possibly a Kurdish state, a Shia state, a Sunni state, a Turkish officially non-religious state, a Jewish state could all be drawn this time and the oil companies given a mandate. Left out the pipeline states.  And the Alabama of the middle east.

Seems there's always conflict when the big boys leave town: Hapsburgs and Yugoslavia, Ottomans and Middle East, Russia and Eastern Europe. If only there were a way to perpetuate brual mega empires.
 
2013-06-14 10:04:04 PM  
Remember when a lot of people scoffed that the Nobel Prize for Peace given to Obama, well before he had done anything at all?  It was hilarious.

Well, I guess that's over.  Peace through superior firepower.  Obama is doing the right thing, and it's good that the Nobel Prize is accidentally vindicated.  You don't end a war without winning it.
 
2013-06-14 10:04:21 PM  

Deep Contact: Under the terms of the National Defense Authorization Act that he personally signed into law, President Barack Obama should immediately be arrested and indefinitely detained for providing support to Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria.


LOL
 
2013-06-14 10:05:16 PM  

Arcanum: Remember when a lot of people scoffed that the Nobel Prize for Peace given to Obama, well before he had done anything at all?  It was hilarious.

Well, I guess that's over.  Peace through superior firepower.  Obama is doing the right thing, and it's good that the Nobel Prize is accidentally vindicated.  You don't end a war without winning it.


IIRC the nobel peace prize to Obama was basically a huge FU to Bush, not about Obama's actions.
 
2013-06-14 10:05:23 PM  
How's that Peace Prize tasting right now?
 
2013-06-14 10:07:20 PM  

BitwiseShift: Every hundred years we should dust off the Sykes-Picot Agreement and ask if it's really working.

Possibly a Kurdish state, a Shia state, a Sunni state, a Turkish officially non-religious state, a Jewish state could all be drawn this time and the oil companies given a mandate. Left out the pipeline states.  And the Alabama of the middle east.

Seems there's always conflict when the big boys leave town: Hapsburgs and Yugoslavia, Ottomans and Middle East, Russia and Eastern Europe. If only there were a way to perpetuate brual mega empires.


Why?  Most of the citizens of most of these countries do not actually want to live in an religious dictatorship.  The people crying for a sunni or shiate or whatever government are oppressors of normal folks.

The hard truth is that the only way to fix all this is to export democracy.  Actually, exporting Christianity would probably do a lot of good, but that's unrealistic.

Obama is on the right track.  Let the people have democracies and suddenly the politicians are clamoring to offer better services and debate about issues that impact the daily lives of the citizens.
 
2013-06-14 10:08:21 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Arcanum: Remember when a lot of people scoffed that the Nobel Prize for Peace given to Obama, well before he had done anything at all?  It was hilarious.

Well, I guess that's over.  Peace through superior firepower.  Obama is doing the right thing, and it's good that the Nobel Prize is accidentally vindicated.  You don't end a war without winning it.

IIRC the nobel peace prize to Obama was basically a huge FU to Bush, not about Obama's actions.


True.  I guess Bush had the last laugh.  His policies have been vindicated by a nobel peace prize winner!  Obama has made it pretty damn hard to blame Bush for anything, given things are the same with or without him.
 
2013-06-14 10:08:51 PM  

Arcanum: Obama has kept Gitmo open


It's not "Obama" keeping Gitmo open. Please stop that.

Arcanum: and uses drones far, far more than the Bush folks


aside from the American citizen/enemy combatant debate, I'm puzzled as to why just "drone use" is considered in of itself a bad thing
 
2013-06-14 10:09:45 PM  
imageshack.com

The Syrian rebels don't seem to think they can defeat the Syrian military with small arms, which is odd, since Teabaggers seem convinced they can defeat the American military with small arms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syrian-rebels-say-th ey -need-heavy-weaponry-not-small-arms-from-us/2013/06/14/775615fe-d4e2-1 1e2-8cbe-1bcbee06f8f8_story.html

Syria's rebels on Friday criticized the U.S. decision to offer small-scale military assistance as late and inadequate, saying they will need heavy weapons to counter the growing challenge posed by a reinvigorated Syrian army that is already receiving foreign help.
 
2013-06-14 10:10:08 PM  

The Bestest: Arcanum: Obama has kept Gitmo open

It's not "Obama" keeping Gitmo open. Please stop that.

Arcanum: and uses drones far, far more than the Bush folks

aside from the American citizen/enemy combatant debate, I'm puzzled as to why just "drone use" is considered in of itself a bad thing


Because: Terminator
 
2013-06-14 10:10:34 PM  

Arcanum: I can respect people who take a pacifist or isolationist worldview.  I disagree with it, but it's a valid point of view that should be argued to the American people to keep things in check.

It must suck for anyone who bought Obama's condemnations of The Bush Doctrine, supported him, and then voted for Obama.

Personally, I supported the Iraq war and do not regret it.  The Afghanistan mess lasted too long, and I think we were there too long.

I am delighted that Obama is going to encourage warfare in Syria as the people there fight eachother, hopefully destroying more of eachother.  I am curious if Obama picked now to do this after he's been having a tough time with scandals, but hey, I'll take what I can get.

It's a little weird that Obama is actually a more gungho Hawk than Dick Cheney, but it's the truth.  Obama has kept Gitmo open, expanded extraordinary rendition, and uses drones far, far more than the Bush folks.

I disagree with most of Obama's policies, but this is the silver lining.  I do think Obama should have been a little more upfront about his views.  I would have considered voting for him.


fotokartinki.my1.ru

Nice of you to drop by.
 
2013-06-14 10:13:32 PM  

The Bestest: Arcanum: Obama has kept Gitmo open

It's not "Obama" keeping Gitmo open. Please stop that.


Yeah, of course it's Obama keeping Gitmo as a prison.  LOL at some people out there.  He's commander in chief and could easily move all these people wherever he wanted, or just give them a trial, or release them today.  Now Gitmo as a military base, you're right, in that less relevant sense Obama can't unilaterally close it anymore.

But Obama promised to close it pretty damn quick, and had years of majorities in congress and broke that promise.

Not that I'm complaining.  I support Obama keeping Gitmo open, and I support Obama's expansion of the Bush doctrine.  Drones make it much easier to kill terrorists in countries we are not technically at war with, and I support that too.  Obama is on the ball when it comes to killing bad guys.  I mean that sincerely.  Had I known I could vote to reelect the Bush foreign policy, I would have been happy to do so.
 
2013-06-14 10:16:19 PM  

Vectron: Nice of you to drop by.


I chuckled.. though really a lot of his views seem to match my own.. imperial.

I do disagree with the Iraq War, though I understand it (motivations and intentions). The execution (run-up and occupation) was horrible and if THAT had been better, it would probably have been looked upon a lot more favorably historically.
 
2013-06-14 10:19:24 PM  

Arcanum: He's commander in chief and could easily move all these people wherever he wanted, or just give them a trial, or release them today.


Not without severe political fallout.. c'mon, you know that.

Arcanum: and had years of majorities in congress


..again, stop that. Argue from a position of strength and use facts.
 
2013-06-14 10:23:47 PM  

CheatCommando: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

-Wilfred Owen


Thank you for posting that. Very powerful.
 
2013-06-14 10:26:14 PM  

dookdookdook: [imageshack.com image 54x11]

The Syrian rebels don't seem to think they can defeat the Syrian military with small arms, which is odd, since Teabaggers seem convinced they can defeat the American military with small arms.


You might misunderstand the views of Tea Partiers.  There's apparently lot of fear of these guys, as we can see from the IRS's freaking out whenever they see anything coming close.

The second amendment goes back to the 1689 English Declaration of rights.  "That the Subjects, which are Protestants, may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions, and as allowed by Law " was intended as a deterrence against government going too far.  Same, the second amendment is simply a deterrent.  What a miserable pain in the ass it would be to fight against the militia (civilian men of military age).  They have millions of guns.  I'm sure this is not just a deterrent to American abuses, but also a deterrent to foreign tyrants, such as during WWII.

Does the Tea Party talk about fighting the US Military?  I've never heard of that, but I'm sure there are a few kooks.  If anything, so much of the civilian volunteer military is likely to join the militia if anything like a civil war were to happen, though.

But the important thing to remember is that this is a theoretical deterrent, not a plan for an actual event.  It's like concealed carry on campus.  Few are saying they expect to whip out their gun and mow down a bad guy.  they are saying that the presence of an equalizer like a gun deters undesirable things.

Perhaps you disagree, which is fine with me.  I can see both sides of the argument because i understand both sides.  Much like President Obama, who understands the best arguments for condemning the Bush doctrine, and also the greater wisdom in following Bush's lead.
 
2013-06-14 10:26:49 PM  

Nick Nostril: The pointy heads need to invent disposable weapons, weapons with a "use by" date that go bad like cheese after a certain time period.

/ or, it could be gin and tonics typing for me


The funny thing is that, since I really suck at politics but am good at science I was just thinking about that. But all I could come up with were biological ideas... which would be biological weapons.. which would be a serious atrocity.
 
2013-06-14 10:29:32 PM  
They've mysteriously been getting lots of american made anti-tank weapons to combat assad tanks from the very start.
 
2013-06-14 10:29:32 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: CheatCommando: Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of disappointed shells that dropped behind.
GAS! Gas! Quick, boys!-- An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And floundering like a man in fire or lime.--
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori

-Wilfred Owen

Thank you for posting that. Very powerful.


It does tend to make the 101st Fighting Keyboardists pause
 
2013-06-14 10:39:17 PM  

The Bestest: machoprogrammer: You really think this is a good idea?

Here's the thing.. do I think its a good idea tactically? Hell no. Do I think it's a political necessity (globally.. taking action in Syria probably has more negatives than positives in domestic politics). Unfortunately yes.


I'm afraid you have me profoundly confused. How is this a political necessity? You mean it's a global necessity, but a "more negatives than positives" domestically?

How can this be a necessity either way? I have to say, I'm completely in the dark as to whether there are any good guys in this war. Assad seems to be quite the dirtbag, on the other hand, the Christians in Syria (10% of the population) support him, even though he's not exactly their best pal. The alternative in their eyes seems to be an Islamic state that will oppress them even more. Christians are fark's doormat, but I'm guessing that to Islamic states the entire West (and probably Japan) are Christians, or even worse, Jews.

Call me narrow minded, but I've come to feel the world is better off with non-religious dictators than with Islamofacist states, with Islamo-facist being more or less redundant, when you get right down to it. Of course, some Islamic states are much better than others.

Anyway, I don't see how the US comes out on top here. We have a shiatload to lose, and not a damn thing to gain as far as I can tell.

I've got sons who are 12 and 13. I'm actually worried that they're wind up being cannon fodder in this idiot war, or the next pointless war in the middle east the US waltzes into.
 
2013-06-14 10:50:52 PM  

enemy of the state: The Bestest: machoprogrammer: You really think this is a good idea?

Here's the thing.. do I think its a good idea tactically? Hell no. Do I think it's a political necessity (globally.. taking action in Syria probably has more negatives than positives in domestic politics). Unfortunately yes.

I'm afraid you have me profoundly confused. How is this a political necessity? You mean it's a global necessity, but a "more negatives than positives" domestically?

How can this be a necessity either way? I have to say, I'm completely in the dark as to whether there are any good guys in this war. Assad seems to be quite the dirtbag, on the other hand, the Christians in Syria (10% of the population) support him, even though he's not exactly their best pal. The alternative in their eyes seems to be an Islamic state that will oppress them even more. Christians are fark's doormat, but I'm guessing that to Islamic states the entire West (and probably Japan) are Christians, or even worse, Jews.

Call me narrow minded, but I've come to feel the world is better off with non-religious dictators than with Islamofacist states, with Islamo-facist being more or less redundant, when you get right down to it. Of course, some Islamic states are much better than others.

Anyway, I don't see how the US comes out on top here. We have a shiatload to lose, and not a damn thing to gain as far as I can tell.

I've got sons who are 12 and 13. I'm actually worried that they're wind up being cannon fodder in this idiot war, or the next pointless war in the middle east the US waltzes into.


It's not about "good guys and bad guys"; quite frankly both 'sides' in this conflict (at least within Syria itself) are "bad guys". You have a government that has lost legitimacy and has shown disdain for the well-being of its own citizens and international convention on one side and rebels that have shown almost equal disdain (though they can claim it's out of desperation) and backed by/comprised of a theocratic movement.

The issue is global political capital and gamesmanship, and it's not that we necessarily have much to gain through action as it is we have more to lose through inaction. It may sound callous, since both the cost of and pieces in this game are "human capital", but it's all a big multiplayer game between the US, Russia and China, and their respective allies and proxies. It may not be "right", and it certainly isn't pretty, but it's the ugly way the world works.
 
2013-06-14 10:51:30 PM  

Arcanum: Almost Everybody Poops: Arcanum: Remember when a lot of people scoffed that the Nobel Prize for Peace given to Obama, well before he had done anything at all?  It was hilarious.

Well, I guess that's over.  Peace through superior firepower.  Obama is doing the right thing, and it's good that the Nobel Prize is accidentally vindicated.  You don't end a war without winning it.

IIRC the nobel peace prize to Obama was basically a huge FU to Bush, not about Obama's actions.

True.  I guess Bush had the last laugh.  His policies have been vindicated by a nobel peace prize winner!  Obama has made it pretty damn hard to blame Bush for anything, given things are the same with or without him.


You're right, 'cause Obama started two wars that lasted a decade.
 
2013-06-14 10:55:10 PM  
We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?
 
2013-06-14 10:56:13 PM  

R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?


You know we're done with Iraq and Libya, right? We're only in one "war" at the moment, and we'll be done with that for all intents and purposes by the end of next year.

Also, too, you ignoramuses quit wetting your panties about Americans dying in Syria. That ain't gonna happen. The most that happens is the Syrian government and Hezbollah lose more troops, and maybe the Syrian Alawite government is overthrown by the ethnic Sunni majority. That doesn't = Taliban in the Levant. As long as we keep supporting non-Takfiri Sunnis, they'll sort the fanatics out once Assad's gone.

/If you don't know what Takfir means, get the fark out of this thread.
 
2013-06-14 10:56:14 PM  
Don't forget the torture chambers and extermination camps.
 
2013-06-14 11:01:57 PM  

webthing01: US troops on Syria border as Obama arms rebelsThree hundred US Marines have been deployed to northern Jordan to pave the way for the West to arm Syrian rebels.http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article379 1863.ece


Says the Murdoch-owned newspaper that claimed AIDS wasn't caused by HIV. I'll believe it when a respectable publication confirms it.
 
2013-06-14 11:02:57 PM  

Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?


You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?
 
2013-06-14 11:05:58 PM  

Arcanum: Does the Tea Party talk about fighting the US Military?  I've never heard of that, but I'm sure there are a few kookspotential presidential nominees


cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2013-06-14 11:08:08 PM  

Giltric: ChuDogg: Giltric: ChuDogg: This is great news, I was just here thinking in my suburban home how these guys might not have enough access to American made weaponry. Thankfully our government understands.

[www.thesundaytimes.co.uk image 580x386]

Looks like they have access to Belgian weaponry as well.

Praise John Moses Browning

This dude has a friggin Steyr Aug.

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Also...Sturmgewehr 44s


[farm9.staticflickr.com image 640x427]


That HAS to be the .22 semi-auto repro, doesn't it? Are there any of those still kicking around? And where can I get one?
 
2013-06-14 11:08:32 PM  
Well, according to HuffPo, the situation is clarifying:
The Muslim Brotherhood had been "vague" on Syria, said Khalil al-Anani, an expert on Islamist movements at Washington's Middle East Institute: "But now they have decided to join the kind of sectarian war against Hezbollah, Syria and Iran."
 
2013-06-14 11:09:35 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: We have no business getting involved in a civil war.


Good thing the French didn't make that call in 1777.
 
2013-06-14 11:15:21 PM  

mbillips: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: We have no business getting involved in a civil war.

Good thing the French didn't make that call in 1777.


You do realize we were France's Afghanistan, right? That it was much cheaper to fight the English here, using us as fodder, than it was to fight them directly?

The comparison breaks down, of course, when you realize that, unlike the French, we didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Afghans - they were just a tool by which we were able to bankrupt the Soviets. We didn't exactly help them out after their war, while the French did give us a bit of support.

We don't give a rat's rancid rectum about Syria, or Islamist terrorist, for that matter - we just want Assad out of office to ensure more churn in the Middle East. So, sure, we'll happily send training, money, and weapons to Syrian rebels - so what if some of them are the same Islamist terrorists against which we claimed justification in bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, parts of Pakistan, and so on.

Again, we don't care about terrorism - it's a pretext, something we use to further our aims. We're happy to assist terrorists if it means getting what we want. It's not like this is the first time we've done so.
 
2013-06-14 11:15:55 PM  

mbillips: Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?

You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?


He has been reading to many fwd fwd fwd emails and too many right wing blogs.
 
2013-06-14 11:20:36 PM  

FormlessOne: mbillips: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: We have no business getting involved in a civil war.

Good thing the French didn't make that call in 1777.

You do realize we were France's Afghanistan, right? That it was much cheaper to fight the English here, using us as fodder, than it was to fight them directly?

The comparison breaks down, of course, when you realize that, unlike the French, we didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Afghans - they were just a tool by which we were able to bankrupt the Soviets. We didn't exactly help them out after their war, while the French did give us a bit of support.

We don't give a rat's rancid rectum about Syria, or Islamist terrorist, for that matter - we just want Assad out of office to ensure more churn in the Middle East. So, sure, we'll happily send training, money, and weapons to Syrian rebels - so what if some of them are the same Islamist terrorists against which we claimed justification in bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, parts of Pakistan, and so on.

Again, we don't care about terrorism - it's a pretext, something we use to further our aims. We're happy to assist terrorists if it means getting what we want. It's not like this is the first time we've done so.


A cynic is a skeptic who doesn't bother to do research. Name ONE national interest we have in getting rid of Assad, other than for humanitarian reasons.
 
2013-06-14 11:21:41 PM  

ongbok: mbillips: Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?

You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?

He has been reading to many fwd fwd fwd emails and too many right wing blogs.


You mean like this right wing blog?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18592339-the-drawdown- di et-marines-steamed-by-loss-of-hot-meal-at-afghanistan-base?lite
 
2013-06-14 11:27:37 PM  

OgreMagi: ongbok: mbillips: Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?

You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?

He has been reading to many fwd fwd fwd emails and too many right wing blogs.

You mean like this right wing blog?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18592339-the-drawdown- di et-marines-steamed-by-loss-of-hot-meal-at-afghanistan-base?lite


The moves, though unpopular with many Marines on the ground and their families back home, are emblematic of the massive drawdown of American troops in Afghanistan and the dismantling of U.S. military facilities. More than 30,000 U.S. service members will leave Afghanistan in coming months as the U.S. prepares to hand responsibility for security to Afghan forces in 2014.

So they are replacing meals, but it's not because of money, it because of troop reductions because of the planned pullout. I'm guessing his right wing blogs told him it was because of money.
 
2013-06-14 11:35:47 PM  

mbillips: FormlessOne: mbillips: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: We have no business getting involved in a civil war.

Good thing the French didn't make that call in 1777.

You do realize we were France's Afghanistan, right? That it was much cheaper to fight the English here, using us as fodder, than it was to fight them directly?

The comparison breaks down, of course, when you realize that, unlike the French, we didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Afghans - they were just a tool by which we were able to bankrupt the Soviets. We didn't exactly help them out after their war, while the French did give us a bit of support.

We don't give a rat's rancid rectum about Syria, or Islamist terrorist, for that matter - we just want Assad out of office to ensure more churn in the Middle East. So, sure, we'll happily send training, money, and weapons to Syrian rebels - so what if some of them are the same Islamist terrorists against which we claimed justification in bombing the hell out of Afghanistan, Iraq, parts of Pakistan, and so on.

Again, we don't care about terrorism - it's a pretext, something we use to further our aims. We're happy to assist terrorists if it means getting what we want. It's not like this is the first time we've done so.

A cynic is a skeptic who doesn't bother to do research. Name ONE national interest we have in getting rid of Assad, other than for humanitarian reasons.


A more US/Israel friendly government

/fat chance whatever we do, IMHO
 
2013-06-14 11:36:16 PM  

ongbok: OgreMagi: ongbok: mbillips: Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?

You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?

He has been reading to many fwd fwd fwd emails and too many right wing blogs.

You mean like this right wing blog?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18592339-the-drawdown- di et-marines-steamed-by-loss-of-hot-meal-at-afghanistan-base?lite

The moves, though unpopular with many Marines on the ground and their families back home, are emblematic of the massive drawdown of American troops in Afghanistan and the dismantling of U.S. military facilities. More than 30,000 U.S. service members will leave Afghanistan in coming months as the U.S. prepares to hand responsibility for security to Afghan forces in 2014.

So they are replacing meals, but it's not because of money, it because of troop reductions because of the planned pullout. I'm guessing his right wing blogs told him it was because of money.


I don't give a shiat what reason they are reducing hot meal service.  You don't do that to troops who are required to be away from home a year at a time.  There is no damn good reason for this.
 
2013-06-14 11:39:01 PM  
CIA to supply small arms to Syrian rebels. Because this worked so well in Afghanistan. And Beirut. And Nicaragua. And El Salvador. And Soviet Union
 
2013-06-14 11:42:49 PM  

LewDux: CIA to supply small arms to Syrian rebels. Because this worked so well in Afghanistan. And Beirut. And Nicaragua. And El Salvador. And Soviet Union


Minor addition: CIA to supply small arms to Syrian Sunni rebels.
 
2013-06-14 11:45:42 PM  

OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: ongbok: mbillips: Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?

You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?

He has been reading to many fwd fwd fwd emails and too many right wing blogs.

You mean like this right wing blog?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18592339-the-drawdown- di et-marines-steamed-by-loss-of-hot-meal-at-afghanistan-base?lite

The moves, though unpopular with many Marines on the ground and their families back home, are emblematic of the massive drawdown of American troops in Afghanistan and the dismantling of U.S. military facilities. More than 30,000 U.S. service members will leave Afghanistan in coming months as the U.S. prepares to hand responsibility for security to Afghan forces in 2014.

So they are replacing meals, but it's not because of money, it because of troop reductions because of the planned pullout. I'm guessing his right wing blogs told him it was because of money.

I don't give a shiat what reason they are reducing hot meal service.  You don't do that to troops who are required to be away from home a year at a time.  There is no damn good reason for this.


It is something that is done in the draw down to any war. Non essential troops go first. But now for some reason it is an outrage. Get a clue
 
PKY
2013-06-14 11:49:23 PM  
Iraq, Libya, Bosnia, Caucasus and now Syria. Can't believe the US is doing the same mistake again. Taking out the secular leader who is holding the religious extremists in check. But like in all the other cases it's all about continuing to destroy the Russian sphere of influence. The cold war isn't over even if the Soviet union has turned 180 degrees politically into a conservative's paradise.
 
2013-06-14 11:55:08 PM  

ongbok: OgreMagi: ongbok: OgreMagi: ongbok: mbillips: Hick: We have no money to send hot meals to our troops overseas, but we will arm terrorists to take out other bad guys.  How messed up is that?

You know how I know you've never eaten in a chow hall down range?

He has been reading to many fwd fwd fwd emails and too many right wing blogs.

You mean like this right wing blog?

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/31/18592339-the-drawdown- di et-marines-steamed-by-loss-of-hot-meal-at-afghanistan-base?lite

The moves, though unpopular with many Marines on the ground and their families back home, are emblematic of the massive drawdown of American troops in Afghanistan and the dismantling of U.S. military facilities. More than 30,000 U.S. service members will leave Afghanistan in coming months as the U.S. prepares to hand responsibility for security to Afghan forces in 2014.

So they are replacing meals, but it's not because of money, it because of troop reductions because of the planned pullout. I'm guessing his right wing blogs told him it was because of money.

I don't give a shiat what reason they are reducing hot meal service.  You don't do that to troops who are required to be away from home a year at a time.  There is no damn good reason for this.

It is something that is done in the draw down to any war. Non essential troops go first. But now for some reason it is an outrage. Get a clue


If the pullout was being done quickly, I'm sure our troops wouldn't mind going a week or two missing some hot meals knowing they go home shortly, but the troops being affected are NOT happy because they know they aren't going home.
 
2013-06-15 12:05:40 AM  
You know there's no relation between us and our government, right?

None whatsoever. I take that back. You and I are lashed to the wheel to pay the vig for what 'they' do ...

How(uh) .. does(uh) .. that(uh) .. feel(uh) .. citizen(uh) .. it feels like you need to use more lube ...
 
2013-06-15 12:19:04 AM  
This all makes sense now. Obama has bought all the ammo and will now start confiscating all the guns and ship them  overseas so he can help his Muslim brothers.
Thanks a lot Obama!!
 
2013-06-15 12:44:23 AM  

SmithHiller: This all makes sense now. Obama has bought all the ammo and will now start confiscating all the guns and ship them  overseas so he can help his Muslim brothers.
Thanks a lot Obama!!


The House did vote to delay the Department of Homeland Security from buying ammunition. It is always nice when one of the political parties votes to support conspiracy theories.
 
2013-06-15 01:32:36 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: They've mysteriously been getting lots of american made anti-tank weapons to combat assad tanks from the very start.


Yes - mysterious, isn't it?
 
2013-06-15 02:02:26 AM  
Go ahead guys. Leave the lot in Europe's back-yard. It won't do any harm.
 
2013-06-15 02:03:14 AM  
The important thing for fark is to stand by whatever stupid decision he settles on.
 
2013-06-15 02:40:26 AM  
So Rambo 6 in Syria then?
 
2013-06-15 02:58:02 AM  
Well, this oughta make the Olympics interesting....
 
2013-06-15 02:59:43 AM  

Mock26: I hope someone backs the Syrian government with even better weapons.


marknesop.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-15 06:19:50 AM  

OgreMagi: troops being affected are NOT happy


Find me a happy soldier and I'll show you a pogue.

Happy? If they wanted you to have happiness, they'd issue it to you.
 
2013-06-15 06:25:28 AM  
And libya
 
2013-06-15 06:49:25 AM  
Well, at least it's just weapons and not sending in troops.
 
2013-06-15 06:54:52 AM  
Although the administration has attempted to differentiate between FSA militants and Al-Qaeda terrorists in Syria, the two groups have become one and the same.
 
2013-06-15 07:50:04 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Here's a quick google for 'Syrian rebel atrocites'''. Come for the massacres of Christians and Shi ites, stay for the individual beheadings for blasphemy.


And the best part is America is borrowing money to help out.
 
2013-06-15 09:40:25 AM  

ongbok: SmithHiller: This all makes sense now. Obama has bought all the ammo and will now start confiscating all the guns and ship them  overseas so he can help his Muslim brothers.
Thanks a lot Obama!!

The House did vote to delay the Department of Homeland Security from buying ammunition. It is always nice when one of the political parties votes to support conspiracy theories.


It's certainly not a conspiracy theory that there's an ammo shortage right now.  Have you tried buying ammo lately?  It's either WAY more expensive than it should be, or just not available, and this has been going on far too long.  It may be that the government is buying it up, it may be that it's just a perception issue, but something is needed.  A friend of mine had a hard time getting enough to requalify for his armed security license recently.
 
2013-06-15 10:22:01 AM  
What happened to the days when a good well spook operation would purchase multiple  Kalashnikov from some near buy country and smuggle them in and no one would have to know about it ???
 
2013-06-15 10:25:07 AM  
Awesome.  I just shot a load of SHOCK AND AWE all over my carpet.
 
2013-06-15 10:45:17 AM  

Mrs.Sharpier: Over 90k have been killed there, we shouldn't wait until this gets to Bosnia levels horrible.


Why stop there?  With a little push in the right direction, we can get it up to Rwanda levels.
 
2013-06-15 11:07:32 AM  

durbnpoisn: Well, at least it's just weapons and not sending in troops.


because surely all the weapons will only be used by the rebels. yes, that's it.

/facepalm all the same
 
2013-06-15 11:56:45 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: R.A.Danny: How many wars are we trying to get in at the same time?

What's the record?


I count three land wars in Asia now.
 
2013-06-15 12:33:09 PM  

Tellingthem: Vectron: Shut up citizen, it will be good for the economy and Krugman says its easier than killing aliens.

We have a problem.
The companies want something done about this sluggish
world economic situation
Profits have been running a little thin lately
and we need to stimulate some growth
Now we know
there's an alarmingly high number of young people roaming
around in your country with nothing to do but stir up trouble
for the police and damage private property.
It doesn't look like they'll ever get a job
It's about time we did something constructive with these people



Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war a-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
 
2013-06-15 12:33:35 PM  
Learning from the past doesn't seem to be Americas strong suit.
 
2013-06-15 01:02:56 PM  
Vietnam forgotten, Mr. McCain?
I mean you were there and all, but you just can't remember the fine details.

Maybe it needs to be BEATEN out of you.

Yeah I said it.
 
2013-06-15 01:07:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Remember when Carter Eisenhower caused the Ayatollah? What a douche that guy was.


FTFY
 
2013-06-15 02:58:55 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
" Joe the people are starting to pay attention to this Syria shiat.
I need you to get out there and talk about Gay Marriage .
A message we can own and the saps will suck up."
 
2013-06-15 03:17:51 PM  

Arcanum: Remember when a lot of people scoffed that the Nobel Prize for Peace given to Obama, well before he had done anything at all?  It was hilarious.

Well, I guess that's over.  Peace through superior firepower.  Obama is doing the right thing, and it's good that the Nobel Prize is accidentally vindicated.  You don't end a war without winning starting it.

 
2013-06-15 04:49:15 PM  
 
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