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2013-06-14 04:25:08 PM
So US taxpayers should be forced to pay higher prices for the same product?
 
2013-06-14 04:35:39 PM
That used to be the law, until Reagan effectively did away with it by granting exemptions to anyone who asked.
 
2013-06-14 04:36:24 PM
Are there even any manufacturers left in the US?
 
2013-06-14 04:41:36 PM
Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?
 
2013-06-14 04:43:16 PM
I have a small 9/11-era refrigerator magnet flag that has CHINA printed across the stripes.
 
2013-06-14 04:43:58 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Are there even any manufacturers left in the US?


Annin Flagmakers,  C.F. Flag,J.C. Schultz Enterprises, Inc. / The Flag Source,and Valley Forge Flag.

According to the Flag Manufacturers Association of America.
 
2013-06-14 04:45:13 PM
Doesn't the government have enough flags already? How about spending that money on something useful?
 
2013-06-14 04:47:09 PM

nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?



1) Flag makers
2) People who live in communities where flag manufacturing plants are located and work in support industries
3) People who produce the material from which flags are made
4) People who live in the communities where those materials are produced and work in support industries
5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs
 
2013-06-14 04:47:41 PM

FloydA: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Are there even any manufacturers left in the US?

Annin Flagmakers,  C.F. Flag,J.C. Schultz Enterprises, Inc. / The Flag Source,and Valley Forge Flag.

According to the Flag Manufacturers Association of America.


Thanks

/wasn't really serious, but, thanks
 
2013-06-14 04:49:25 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk:
Thanks

/wasn't really serious, but, thanks


It's amazing the type of thing you can find with this here thinkin' television with the typewriter on it. ;-)
 
2013-06-14 04:56:29 PM

WorldCitizen: So US taxpayers should be forced to pay higher prices for the same product?


Unions need the work.
 
2013-06-14 04:58:56 PM

FloydA: nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?


1) Flag makers
2) People who live in communities where flag manufacturing plants are located and work in support industries
3) People who produce the material from which flags are made
4) People who live in the communities where those materials are produced and work in support industries
5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs


All of that adds up to $3.8 million a year.   In the grand scheme of things, that is empty rhetoric.
 
2013-06-14 05:00:16 PM
YAY ECONOMIC PROTECTIONISM!
 
2013-06-14 05:43:38 PM

FloydA: nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?


1) Flag makers
2) People who live in communities where flag manufacturing plants are located and work in support industries
3) People who produce the material from which flags are made
4) People who live in the communities where those materials are produced and work in support industries
5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs


Put me down in the number 5 category and know you will not run into me at Walmart
 
2013-06-14 06:26:56 PM
So does it have to be made from US cotton made woven into cloth in the US dyed with dyes made from ingredients completely sourced from the US.

Or does just final assembly have to be in the US?
 
2013-06-14 06:30:41 PM

EvilEgg: So does it have to be made from US cotton made woven into cloth in the US dyed with dyes made from ingredients completely sourced from the US.

Or does just final assembly have to be in the US?


The sticks

/all flag sticks must be made from genuine US trees processed by US stick makers
 
2013-06-14 06:45:59 PM
I'm generally annoyed by symbolic "USA! USA! USA!" moves, but... duh?
 
2013-06-14 06:47:12 PM
Why should taxpayers be forced to support an industry that isn't competitive.

Buying American when the American product is more expensive or of poorer quality is not patriotism it's just stupid.

I'm ok with the textile industry moving to less developed countries. It's dirty, low paying, and bad for the environment.
 
2013-06-14 06:49:26 PM
This is stupid. Why waste money buying flags anyways? Do we really need more reminders of what country we are in? If it's not marking a military base in a foreign country, then there is no point for it at all.

I'm so thankful for the hundreds of flags I see while driving through my town. "Damn, I thought I was in Canada, thank God for the reminder that I'm not! Phew, I better get my flag up soon before they think I'm a Commie!"
 
2013-06-14 06:50:09 PM
Should the U.S. Government be forced to buy American-made American flags goods? Ab-so-damn-lutely

There, ftfy submittard.
 
2013-06-14 06:50:32 PM

nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?


second.
 
2013-06-14 06:50:39 PM
Yes.

And campaigns should probably make sure all their campaign gear like hats have a made in USA tag.
 
2013-06-14 06:50:44 PM

marius2: This is stupid. Why waste money buying flags anyways? Do we really need more reminders of what country we are in? If it's not marking a military base in a foreign country, then there is no point for it at all.

I'm so thankful for the hundreds of flags I see while driving through my town. "Damn, I thought I was in Canada, thank God for the reminder that I'm not! Phew, I better get my flag up soon before they think I'm a Commie!"


Or, you know, showing pride in the fact that you live in the US.
 
2013-06-14 06:50:45 PM
Pffffftttt......like people can tell the government what to do.
 
2013-06-14 06:50:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE>Should the U.S. government be forced to buy American-made American flags? Ab-so-damn-lutely </BLOCKQUOTE>

No, they shouldn't be.

The whole country of origin thing was made up for tax purposes and now, we use it to judge quality of item and patriotism.

Give something to humans and they will try and find patterns in it and put emotional value to it.

You ask the government to buy "Made in US" flags, pretty soon it will now cost 10 times more and it will still be made in China but stamped made in the USA and smuggled here.
 
2013-06-14 06:51:14 PM
I don't know.  This is a pretty slippery slope.  The next thing you know there might be legislation requiring Americans to buy something specific...maybe something like health insurance.

I know it's a stretch, but it could happen.
 
2013-06-14 06:51:25 PM

aacharya: FloydA: nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?


1) Flag makers
2) People who live in communities where flag manufacturing plants are located and work in support industries
3) People who produce the material from which flags are made
4) People who live in the communities where those materials are produced and work in support industries
5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs

All of that adds up to $3.8 million a year.   In the grand scheme of things, that is empty rhetoric.


I have a friend who has a small tech company that does about 4 mil a year. It's clean, safe and employees college educated Americans. I'll take that any day over high school dropouts, chocking on lint in some "Patriotic rag factory."
 
2013-06-14 06:51:49 PM

FloydA: MaudlinMutantMollusk:
Thanks

/wasn't really serious, but, thanks

It's amazing the type of thing you can find with this here thinkin' television with the typewriter on it. ;-)


I am SO stealing that. Maybe it's the beer, but that was goddam funny!
 
2013-06-14 06:54:47 PM

American made:


content.wohoho.pl

 
2013-06-14 06:55:35 PM

Rev.K: YAY ECONOMIC PROTECTIONISM!


You say that like its a bad thing...
 
2013-06-14 06:56:06 PM
That's a fine idea and all, but Free Trade... I'm afraid that ship has sailed boys and girls.
 
2013-06-14 06:56:34 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Doesn't the government have enough flags already? How about spending that money on something useful?


Gotta put something on solider graves.
 
2013-06-14 06:57:18 PM

skinink: American made:
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the silicone too?
 
2013-06-14 06:57:37 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: 5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs

Put me down in the number 5 category and know you will not run into me at Walmart


What the Bean said.
 
2013-06-14 06:57:56 PM
Never pass. The Democrats will want to add amnesty for Mexicans, and the Republicans will want to add 100 F-35's, a repeal of Roe vs. Wade, and free guns for every 6 year old.
 
2013-06-14 06:58:26 PM
So anti-free market then?
 
2013-06-14 06:58:27 PM
Officially used US flags, including those of states, towns and counties, should be made here. As should military and police uniforms (including footwear), judges' robes and the gavels they bang with, etc. etc. Every American governmental agency should support American products and American labor.

If they ain't doin' it now they'd best get a-crackin'. I might oppose Rand Paul eventually, even if my belly is bigger than my tits. On his left I'm more commie than Obama could ever dream of being, and on his right I'm a harder-nosed patriot where it counts. No teapartying hypocrite has a chance against me if enough of y'all farkers SEND ME MONEY. First I'll get my teeth fixed, then I'll get gymclubbed and liposucted, then I'll have my chin tightened, then I'll get bright blue contacts with a built-in gleam. Only a Hollywood beauty could beat me then, and then only if her sex tape is hotter.
 
2013-06-14 06:58:49 PM

mr0x: <BLOCKQUOTE>Should the U.S. government be forced to buy American-made American flags? Ab-so-damn-lutely </BLOCKQUOTE>

No, they shouldn't be.

The whole country of origin thing was made up for tax purposes and now, we use it to judge quality of item and patriotism.

Give something to humans and they will try and find patterns in it and put emotional value to it.

You ask the government to buy "Made in US" flags, pretty soon it will now cost 10 times more and it will still be made in China but stamped made in the USA and smuggled here.


So, instead of supporting businesses here in the US, you'd rather just say "screw it" and go lowest dollar?

I know this is a hard thing to grasp, because "zomg more expensive", but have you stopped to consider that if the government buys the more expensive item made here in the US, that money goes to a company that employs workers here in the US, who then in turn spend those dollars on other goods and services and taxes here in the US? And that that money then flows back up the food chain to the government, who can then reinvest it into other USA-based ventures?

Dumping dollars into foreign goods and importing them is basically retarding our economy. Why? Well, think about it. The person who does a skilled job manufacturing product X makes more money because they have more expertise and specific knowledge than the person who does an unskilled job selling products. That's more money per household, more money spent by that household in the US, and more money that's retained in our economy.

Now, consider: I'm a US-based manufacturer of goods. I employ management and corporate staff, workers to make the goods, and spend money on services to deliver my goods to retail stores.

Those retail stores employ management, corporate staff, and retail workers, who sell my goods.

Those shipping companies employ the same, and are paid both to deliver the raw materials to me and to transport my finished goods.

We've just moved a lot of money around in our economy, and employed a lot of people.

On the flip side of that, imported goods, cut out the money being generated and the employees being retained in the manufacturing sector.

So, yeah, domestic goods may cost less, but they also do more to help our economy than imported goods.

Spend your dollars wherever you want, but moving the bulk value of income off-shore by buying imported goods is stupid as it's just sucking more value out of our economy.

/Believes that the American Government could do a hell of a lot to boost the economy just by buying american-made goods, even if that were to include goods assembled int he US made from multinational parts.
 
2013-06-14 06:59:02 PM
obamadidcoke:
Buying American when the American product is more expensive or of poorer quality is not patriotism it's just stupid.


I sometimes look for a made in the US sticker when I buy things.  In part because I do like to support the local economy (why not?)  but also the quality is actually better on many items.

Obviously, there isn't a lot made in the US anymore (atleast not as household items), but if there are, they are actually better made in my experience (except for cars maybe) - if the competition is China or another developing country.
 
2013-06-14 07:00:52 PM
So shove another ribbon up your S.U.V.
 
2013-06-14 07:01:34 PM
Should the U.S. government buy American flags? Is there some confusion as to who they are that requires what amounts to corporate branding?
 
2013-06-14 07:02:11 PM
I live just a few blocks from this one~
http://www.natflagcinti.com/
On television tonight, there was a story on this business; they are in fact making parade flags and the like for the military. Judging from the seamstress' quality piecework, it beats the hell out of a 3'X5' nylon print.
 
2013-06-14 07:02:16 PM

FloydA: nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?


1) Flag makers
2) People who live in communities where flag manufacturing plants are located and work in support industries
3) People who produce the material from which flags are made
4) People who live in the communities where those materials are produced and work in support industries


So... you're saying that the Chinese are the only ones that care to begin with?  Textiles aren't exactly a huge US industry, we're more in heavy equipment, automation, and microelectronics, the rest is really service industry.

5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs

Ah, so the Chinese and morons who are exceptionally supercilious about being morons.  Gotcha.
 
2013-06-14 07:02:56 PM
Bravo Two:

Or, you know, showing pride in the fact that you live in the US.

Why? What does it matter? Most people have no say in the country they live in (they were born there) why does it make it special? Patriotism (Nationalism) is silly, outdated, and was created to control the lower classes in revolts against the monarchies. What's the point of it today? "USA, USA, USA!" nice, wonderful, jingoism.

How many other countries do you go to that have their national flag flying in the front of many middle-class homes? It's kinda creepy to an extent. I also tend to notice the people that fly these flags also seem to be the ones that rant about the government the most.... that flag represents them too.
 
2013-06-14 07:03:10 PM

WorldCitizen: So anti-free market then?


Is a market that is controlled by businesses, held hostage by corporate marketing driving price over quality, value and economic benefit, and a government in bed with said businesses giving preferential treatment to them insofar as allowing them to become parasites on the american consumer rather than controlled by it, really free?

If you shape a market in such a way that large business wins by making them able to basically negate the labor market costs, taxes, and any responsibility for returning profits to the economy from which they are garnering them, you no longer have a "Free market".  Maybe a Plantation market? Not sure what you'd call it.
 
2013-06-14 07:03:39 PM

FloydA: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Are there even any manufacturers left in the US?

Annin Flagmakers,  C.F. Flag,J.C. Schultz Enterprises, Inc. / The Flag Source,and Valley Forge Flag.

According to the Flag Manufacturers Association of America.


I've got patriotic bunting made by Annin. I can attest to the high quality. It's also actually stitched and manufactured in America. They're durable and the color holds up great. They're also pretty damned expensive, especially when you want to be this patriotic:

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/4th of July is my favorite holiday
//needed appropriate buntings for porch
 
2013-06-14 07:03:56 PM
Not to be waving the flag or anything, just speaking from experience. For the entire decade of the 80's, I worked for a clothing manufacturer of menswear as a sales rep. The quality of domestic manufactured men's clothing was far and away better than the imports, both in the construction and the piece goods. Domestic cotton was far superior to most imported with a few exceptions like Egypt. Imported shiat was for close-out stuff. Even the packaging was inferior. Now, it is hard to find a truly well made quality dress shirt.
 
2013-06-14 07:04:39 PM

Bravo Two: WorldCitizen: So anti-free market then?

Is a market that is controlled by businesses, held hostage by corporate marketing driving price over quality, value and economic benefit, and a government in bed with said businesses giving preferential treatment to them insofar as allowing them to become parasites on the american consumer rather than controlled by it, really free?

If you shape a market in such a way that large business wins by making them able to basically negate the labor market costs, taxes, and any responsibility for returning profits to the economy from which they are garnering them, you no longer have a "Free market".  Maybe a Plantation market? Not sure what you'd call it.


Free Trade
 
2013-06-14 07:07:26 PM

obamadidcoke: aacharya: FloydA: nekom: Here's a good question:  Who the hell cares?


1) Flag makers
2) People who live in communities where flag manufacturing plants are located and work in support industries
3) People who produce the material from which flags are made
4) People who live in the communities where those materials are produced and work in support industries
5) People who think "patriotism" should be more than just empty rhetoric and misspelled protest signs

All of that adds up to $3.8 million a year.   In the grand scheme of things, that is empty rhetoric.

I have a friend who has a small tech company that does about 4 mil a year. It's clean, safe and employees college educated Americans. I'll take that any day over high school dropouts, chocking on lint in some "Patriotic rag factory."


So it can only be one or the other?
 
2013-06-14 07:08:12 PM

Rev.K: YAY ECONOMIC PROTECTIONISM!


Yes, in case you hadn't noticed, the US economy needed to be better protected these last several years.
 
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