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(Quartz)   Is there anything the Japanese can't do more efficiently (like aging at the fastest rate of any country on the planet)   (qz.com) divider line 58
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2013-06-14 04:02:55 PM
The nuclear meltdown created a time dilation effect?
 
2013-06-14 04:03:09 PM
I lived in Japan for six years, and it is my experience that Japanese people look like they are sixteen till one, unpredictable, morning when they are instantly several hundred years old.
 
2013-06-14 04:03:23 PM
From the short time I spent in Japan, I think the elderly would rather be taken care of by robots than young people anyway.
 
2013-06-14 04:11:05 PM
TFA fails to explore the effect that automation is having, and will have, on productivity. You don't need as many workers per dependent if the worker is 10 times as productive because of robots.
 
2013-06-14 04:11:13 PM
In before the chart of how asian women age.
 
2013-06-14 04:11:53 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-14 04:11:58 PM
You have to have a pretty rough life if you're unskilled and go to a crowded island looking for work where the government's immigration policies explicitly state that they don't want you there.
I guess it's also a pretty tough life when you're explicitly told that you're too old and a heavy burden to the country for which you spent the past 60 or 70 years as a contributor.

I guess what I'm saying is that I was taught via popular cinema that Asian cultures, including Japanese culture, are about respecting one another and in particular our elders.  But now I don't know what to believe.
 
2013-06-14 04:12:38 PM
Wealthy American businessman can age even more efficiently than the Japanese.

3.bp.blogspot.com

If they choose ... poorly.
 
2013-06-14 04:13:26 PM

DubtodaIll: From the short time I spent in Japan, I think the elderly would rather be taken care of by robots than young people anyway.

They're workin' on it.


www.eridem.net
 
2013-06-14 04:13:47 PM

vudukungfu: In before the chart of how asian women age.


lulz, 40 seconds.
 
2013-06-14 04:15:20 PM
I plan on doing my part for America.  I eat what I want, rarely exercise, and drink alcohol every day, oftentimes more than necessary.

Living past 75-80 is a fool's game.
 
2013-06-14 04:15:33 PM
I'd rather deal with an asian woman aging than a eastern european woman aging.
 
2013-06-14 04:15:46 PM

mbillips: TFA fails to explore the effect that automation is having, and will have, on productivity. You don't need as many workers per dependent if the worker is 10 times as productive because of robots.


I'm sure the rest of the world will be watching closely as the people and their government carry the responsibility of that aging population while corporations walk away with the profit of a 10x productive worker and free of any consequence.
 
2013-06-14 04:18:48 PM

fickenchucker: I plan on doing my part for America.  I eat what I want, rarely exercise, and drink alcohol every day, oftentimes more than necessary.

Living past 75-80 is a fool's game.


I'd agree somwhat, but somehow mix in "working a crap job for 40 years only to retire and die a measly 5 years later..."
 
2013-06-14 04:19:02 PM

Foundling: I lived in Japan for six years, and it is my experience that Japanese people look like they are sixteen till one, unpredictable, morning when they are instantly several hundred years old.


Yes, the famed Asian Time Vortex. It's like Master Yoda got farked by Dorian Gray.
 
2013-06-14 04:26:58 PM

Nana's Vibrator: You have to have a pretty rough life if you're unskilled and go to a crowded island looking for work where the government's immigration policies explicitly state that they don't want you there.


Newsflash: they'd make a lot more money in Japan even doing menial jobs than they would back home.
 
2013-06-14 04:28:51 PM
I've been very interested in watching Japan in regard to this. They seem to the the only modern country that are trying to solve the issue while maintaining their country instead of simply importing the third world.
There has to be an answer that isn't simply "breed and breed until the resources are gone and everyone dies".
 
2013-06-14 04:33:11 PM

Arkanaut: Nana's Vibrator: You have to have a pretty rough life if you're unskilled and go to a crowded island looking for work where the government's immigration policies explicitly state that they don't want you there.

Newsflash: they'd make a lot more money in Japan even doing menial jobs than they would back home.


The point there is that it would seem they (unskilled labor) could go somewhere else with less resistance - such as the US - and get an equivalent wage and not have a government policy tell them they're big jerks for even wanting to be there.
 
2013-06-14 04:33:20 PM

fickenchucker: I plan on doing my part for America. I eat what I want, rarely exercise, and drink alcohol every day, oftentimes more than necessary.

Living past 75-80 is a fool's game.


My grandpa was a West Virginia coal miner, WW2 veteran, claimed he'd smoked every day since he was 11 years old, and oftentimes drank more than necessary.

The mines, the Japanese, cancer and cirrhosis didn't kill him. When he was three months short of his 93rd birthday, my grandmother died. He followed three days later.

I suppose some people just have to be more reckless.
 
2013-06-14 04:39:43 PM
I've seen where this goes...

japancinema.net
 
2013-06-14 04:41:35 PM
I'll try to age faster to do my part, but I seem to get stuck at a rate of 1 year / year.
 
2013-06-14 04:43:43 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Arkanaut: Nana's Vibrator: You have to have a pretty rough life if you're unskilled and go to a crowded island looking for work where the government's immigration policies explicitly state that they don't want you there.

Newsflash: they'd make a lot more money in Japan even doing menial jobs than they would back home.

The point there is that it would seem they (unskilled labor) could go somewhere else with less resistance - such as the US - and get an equivalent wage and not have a government policy tell them they're big jerks for even wanting to be there.


Possibly, but that's assuming the travel costs don't make a difference.  Also, there's the possibility that they just wanted to go to Japan specifically.  Maybe they've heard about their delightful game shows?
 
2013-06-14 04:44:33 PM

mbillips: TFA fails to explore the effect that automation is having, and will have, on productivity. You don't need as many workers per dependent if the worker is 10 times as productive because of robots.


Except you have half a dozen workers who lose their job and become "dependent" for each technician that remains because robots replaced them.

I'm curious if anyone ever did an analysis of how to sustain economically a heavily automated society, presuming scarcity is still in effect.

Some people suspect that's one reason the US unemployment is taking its sweet time at shrinking.
 
2013-06-14 04:45:58 PM
They'll solve it Japan style. The seniors will be conditioned to commit Seppeku when they become a burden, for the good of society. A very honorable end.
 
2013-06-14 04:59:16 PM

Eps05: mbillips: TFA fails to explore the effect that automation is having, and will have, on productivity. You don't need as many workers per dependent if the worker is 10 times as productive because of robots.

Except you have half a dozen workers who lose their job and become "dependent" for each technician that remains because robots replaced them.

I'm curious if anyone ever did an analysis of how to sustain economically a heavily automated society, presuming scarcity is still in effect.

Some people suspect that's one reason the US unemployment is taking its sweet time at shrinking.


Yeah, but the Japanese problem is a growing labor shortage. They have plenty of jobs for robot techs. U.S. employment is negatively affected by automation because we have a labor surplus.
 
2013-06-14 05:06:16 PM
Oh, they'll look after them alright...

www.eggshell-robotics.com
 
2013-06-14 05:06:57 PM
Shenanigans! Late night infomercials tell me the Japanese never age, and if I just take these mysterious herbal supplements which can be mine for the low, low price of seven easy payments of $14.99...
 
2013-06-14 05:10:47 PM

Eps05: mbillips: TFA fails to explore the effect that automation is having, and will have, on productivity. You don't need as many workers per dependent if the worker is 10 times as productive because of robots.

Except you have half a dozen workers who lose their job and become "dependent" for each technician that remains because robots replaced them.

I'm curious if anyone ever did an analysis of how to sustain economically a heavily automated society, presuming scarcity is still in effect.


A large government with heavy taxes on the rich and a strong downward economic redistribution, to create less extreme income/wealth inequality (which as "capital" becomes more important in the economy naturally tends to concentrate wealth/income into fewer and fewer hands).

Essentially as "necessities" get covered by less and less people in the economy, the boom and bust cycle can become bigger and bigger, unless you have a large government sector that can counteract the swings. Equally redistributing income downwards to people that can't really cut their spending by much when the economy is bad (because most of it is essentials/bills), whereas when the wealth is in the hands of the few they will tend to hoard it automatically when the economy is bad, which is part of the reason the boom and bust cycles tend to become larger.
 
2013-06-14 05:11:41 PM
Anthropologists and sociologists have known this for years.

http://bigdatabbq.com/chart-of-the-week-population-pyramids-blocks-a nd -wedges/
 
2013-06-14 05:20:05 PM

Nana's Vibrator: fickenchucker: I plan on doing my part for America.  I eat what I want, rarely exercise, and drink alcohol every day, oftentimes more than necessary.

Living past 75-80 is a fool's game.

I'd agree somwhat, but somehow mix in "working a crap job for 40 years only to retire and die a measly 5 years later..."


work is for suckers. sling dope on the streets, show no income, reap all sorts of entitlements from Uncle Sam. you'll be driving a nice Escalade dropping off the kids to school in sweet outfits with matching kicks and bling in no time.
 
2013-06-14 05:27:29 PM

robohobo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x259]


Since you have a handle on that one, I'll just leave this one here

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-14 05:34:54 PM

Foundling: I lived in Japan for six years, and it is my experience that Japanese people look like they are sixteen till one, unpredictable, morning when they are instantly several hundred years old.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-14 05:35:50 PM

mark12A: They'll solve it Japan style. The seniors will be conditioned to commit Seppeku when they become a burden, for the good of society. A very honorable end.


 Nah, they'll just get abandoned on a mountain by the young'uns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubasute
 
2013-06-14 05:39:40 PM

DubtodaIll: From the short time I spent in Japan, I think the elderly would rather be taken care of by robots than young people anyway.


Japan is insular and xenophobic, you can't send in Korean workers to care for ornery old Japanese folks. Young people don't want to be around the stench of death anyways.
 
2013-06-14 05:42:21 PM
I'm just popping in to say that as someone who lived there for several years, I feel the Japanese have little concept of efficiency. "Standardized", yes.  "Meticulous", sure!

"Efficient" ...  no way, Jose!   :-P
 
2013-06-14 05:50:08 PM

LegacyDL: I'd rather deal with an asian woman aging than a eastern european woman aging.


true
 
2013-06-14 05:51:31 PM
Mainland Japan is - I'm convinced - an experiment of some kind.
 
2013-06-14 05:59:17 PM
I've read that young Japanese men aren't pursuing sex with women aggressively so I'm sure that isn't helping matters as children aren't being produced.

I'm surprised they are bringing in Chinese though, I would have guessed they would have preferred Koreans.
 
2013-06-14 06:08:06 PM
But where do the ninja warriors come in on this?
 
2013-06-14 06:09:37 PM

robohobo: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x259]


I've been looking for years - does anyone have the Russian equivalent of this?!
 
2013-06-14 06:17:10 PM
I have a real hard time swallowing Figure 3 in the article, where it claims Canada has fewer foreign workers than virtually anywhere else.  ???  Have you been to T.O./Montreal/Hongcouver?  Hell, there are comparatively healthy communities of immigrant workers in Whitehorse and St. John's.

The only way that chart makes any sense is if you are counting "net migrant workers" (i.e., subtracting out all the Canadian-borns working in the states).
 
2013-06-14 06:32:03 PM

Gergesa: I'm surprised they are bringing in Chinese though, I would have guessed they would have preferred Koreans.


I would think Worst Korea has a good enough economy it would be hard to lure anyone.  And, well, Best Korea is Best Korea.
 
2013-06-14 06:42:42 PM

Lawnchair: I have a real hard time swallowing Figure 3 in the article, where it claims Canada has fewer foreign workers than virtually anywhere else.  ???  Have you been to T.O./Montreal/Hongcouver?  Hell, there are comparatively healthy communities of immigrant workers in Whitehorse and St. John's.

The only way that chart makes any sense is if you are counting "net migrant workers" (i.e., subtracting out all the Canadian-borns working in the states).


I think they're probably using foreign temporary workers. Canada mostly goes with permanent immigration rather than foreign workers. Canada has the highest percentage of foreign born residents of any decent sized country.
 
2013-06-14 06:43:28 PM
LegacyDL:

I'd rather deal with an asian woman aging than a eastern european woman aging.

In KY most black & white women ripen obviously when they're around 14, then they're over the hill by 30. In fact most are hills by 30. Pumping out 3 or 4 kids might help, as might not getting up off the damn couch to flee. And some of the women are sloppily humongous and have several kids, including a wee infant, which likely means their menfolk have been blind drunk at least twice.

I don't know enough Hispanic people well enough to tell how old the women are, no baseline for comparison, but I can tell you that around here poor white & Latino men age at least as fast as the women. Poor white men age especially quickly when they have a few kids and their wives are humongous, and they're usually skinny themselves -- which might tell you something.

At least Lexington seems good for Hispanic kids: there are quite a few around here and they usually look better kept than their non-Latino age & class cohorts, even the ones in the nearby trailer park slum. If that dump is somehow better than where their people come from I'm all in favor of welcoming them here. The long-term stock is about played out, like I hear it's been in West Virginia for a couple or three generations, because those who are able get out as soon as they can. And the worst find a way to die before age 30 or go to prison for a long stretch, while the most mediocre settle down to breed, praise Jesus, get fat, biatch about the immigrants who take jobs they're too fat & weak to do anyway, and live to a ripe old unappetizing age having been functionally decrepit for the previous 25 years.

"My old Kentucky home, good night."
 
2013-06-14 06:59:13 PM
www.standard.co.uk

http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/sites/default/files/pa/RobotAndFra n k1.jpg
 
2013-06-14 07:18:14 PM
I read a book on this called "The Last Jap".
 
2013-06-14 07:20:28 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Mainland Japan is - I'm convinced - an experiment of some kind.


Mainland?
 
2013-06-14 07:37:24 PM

lewismarktwo: [www.standard.co.uk image 850x477]
http://www.standard.co.uk/goingout/sites/default/files/pa/RobotAndFra n k1.jpg


That was a really good movie.  I liked it.
 
2013-06-14 08:23:10 PM
I live in Japan.  Nothing here is futuristic or efficient.
 
2013-06-14 08:43:06 PM

Click Click D'oh: I've seen where this goes...

[japancinema.net image 610x320]


what I was thinking as well.
 
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