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(The Detroit_News)   Detroit to lower property taxes, which will cause people to flock to live in the city   (detroitnews.com) divider line 23
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2013-06-14 06:02:10 PM
2 votes:
How to make Detroit better:

1. Legalize gambling, brothels (taxed and regulated prostitution within a licensed establishment), and marijuana within city limits.

2. Give tax incentives to businesses who wish to operate within the city. Woo organizations that would like to build casinos, hash bars, and brothels.

3. Basically let organized crime move into town and set up business. Put the expected amount of pressure on them, but know that the cops will probably all be on their payroll at some point.

4. Watch tourists flock to the area to spend lots of money, which will be taxed.

5. Watch as the mobsters wipe out the street crime by either crushing the gangs, or assuming control of them and preventing them from terrorizing paying customers and tourists.

6. Accept that since Detroit is going to have crime, that at least organized crime/mobsters are generally good businessmen who don't commit random acts of violence or want to see their neighborhoods become rundown pits after pocketing all the city's money, as opposed to the gangbangers and criminals that rule Detroit now.

7. Watch Michigan finally get their damned roads fixed after seeing a huge spike in tax revenue from taxed weed, prostitution, and gambling establishments.

8. Cross your fingers and hope that as a result, Michigan is annexed by Canada, so we can finally have universal health care, milk in bags, and justification for all the Tim Horton's around here.
2013-06-14 03:51:00 PM
2 votes:
StreetlightinTheGhetto: thecpt: Also, how unimaginative is your transportation department? The People Mover?

I had a keychain for awhile that celebrated the first anniversary of the People Mover and said "THANKS FOR RIDING THE SKY!" on it.  Then it broke and I lost it.


That People Mover has to be hands down the dumbest "mass transit" system I've ever ridden.

If you've never been to Detroit, let me describe it.  It's an elevated train system that doesn't go to any suburb or any connecting city, all it does is go around its rather small-ish downtown area - so basically wherever it goes - you could just easily walk.   Basically, all it does is connect you to the location where you parked your car.  You still have to use your car to pretty much commute home, hence totally negating the point of having a train system in the first place.  Who thought of this dumb system?

It's like a real life version of the Disneyland Monorail and just as useful (Seattle can be forgiven for its useless Monorail as its just something from the World's fair).
2013-06-14 03:49:16 PM
2 votes:
Back in the 90s Detroit implemented a Homestead program.  Basically, anyone who took over an abandoned property and paid to bring it up to code would have the house and property free with all back property taxes forgiven.  Hundreds of people moved in and spent tens of thousands of dollars renovating these homes, raising the property values of the surrounding housing and bringing revenue into the city.  The program worked beautifully.

Then in 2001 Kwame Kilpatrick was elected.  He and the city council immediately cancelled the program and sent these "squatters" bills for 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars in back taxes threatening seizure.  All of those investors abandoned their homes.  Not one of those reclaimed properties is a livable residence today.

Anyone who believes this and gets suckered in deserves what they get.
2013-06-14 08:26:45 PM
1 votes:
Last year, I happen to come home from work and the county tax accessor was in my driveway. I pointed out that the house next door was vacant, and had 10 foot tall weeds. I pointed out that the house across the street just sold for $75K so my house can't be worth that much. He asked if it was a foreclosure sale and I told him it was. He laughed and said they don't take foreclosure sales into consideration, and the vacant house next store doesn't mean squat,  when valuing adjoining property. So, once again, I get hosed on my property taxes.
2013-06-14 06:57:34 PM
1 votes:
The unsustainability of endless growth, especially after the last haircut we got from Wall St. almost dismantled the entire economy, is being reflected by the fact that renewal, rebuilding, repurposing and scaling things back to a usable community sized scope is about the only growth there is.  People WANT to live in tidy, productive safe communities that aren't festooned with gargantuan buildings that nobody uses.

When you stop making stuff AND everybody's office fits into a laptop bag, you don't NEED buildings for anything but people to live in and buy stuff at, or house utilities and medicinal facilities.

If anybody starts promising new "growth" from some brick an mortar clusterf*ck they will build on the site on an old brick and mortar leviathan that is in ruins, run them out of town on a rail  The town is irrelevant.

Poor people be f*ckin'.  And they aren't going to get in on the game and the people running the game are abandoning their "my architectural dick is bigger than yours" vanity palaces.  Skyscrapers, malls, factories.  All of them mostly redundant.  We have to start  looking at what comprises a community, a neighborhood and a city and which bits do and do not need to be under roofs and why.  It's time to fire the architects and designers and feng shui mooks and pick up a broom and a shovel.
2013-06-14 04:33:50 PM
1 votes:
It that everything I read about Detroit, the citizens are frustrated because no one can build anything nice there without it getting ripped off because the politicians are corrupt and the cops are way too slow to respond to violent crime. I saw something where Wendy's put in a store in a neighborhood and citizens literally guarded it on their own time against robbery because they were scared it would get robbed too many times and corporate would shut it down. They were that desperate for some kind of... anything there. It was really sad.

If I had the money, I would resettle Detroit like the western frontier. Right now it's basically a lawless wasteland, right? So I would incorporate a new town right in the middle of the worst of it. I would build a factory making something simple, like storm drain grates or cast iron cookware or something, taking advantage of the low labor costs. The taxes on the factory would provide for a police force for the factory and the few blocks around it, which would house workers who wanted to live there.Having a beat heart to the economy of this micro-city would hopefully encourage other people to start supporting businesses like laundries and restaurants and whatnot and that would increase the tax base and the police-protected area would expand to the point where we could build schools and hospitals etc.

Rebuild Detroit from the inside out.
2013-06-14 04:27:07 PM
1 votes:

Mrs.Sharpier: chaddsfarkprefect: Privatize the city, like a sci-fi movie.

They did, that's what farked it up in the first place.

Detroit was designed to fail.


Personally, I'd love to buy a historic old home there. I hear good things about urban farming and the burgeoning artist scene. But I'm still nervous about the crime so I doubt I'd move there.


There is almost nothing privatized in the city of Detroit.
2013-06-14 04:22:58 PM
1 votes:
We built factories and churches and salons and banks, and dug all the minerals out of the earth and turned them into stuff.

And the rest we burned so we could be jazzed with electricity and refrigeration.

And a handful of old men died with enough money to make Croesus blush.

So we sift through the wreckage of their abandoned palaces, trying to put a wrench to the misaligned wheels that used to turn so regally.  And we scratch the broken ground.  And we talk of hope.
2013-06-14 04:06:47 PM
1 votes:

Decillion: How is Detroit able to fill stadiums of four pro sports teams? Is there a magic fairy land of jobs in the suburbs?


Detroit: <1M people
Metro Detroit: 4.3M people.

Its the 14th largest metropolitan area in the country.
2013-06-14 03:42:39 PM
1 votes:

JohnAnnArbor: Gunny Walker: They don't have tax auctions in Detroit?

They do, but it's very disorganized.  If they do figure out you're delinquent on taxes (a BIG if), you yourself can go to the auction, buy your property for less than the tax bill, then start over with a $0 property tax balance.  People have done that.


In TN, bidding starts at amount owed plus any other leins the county might have against it. If no one bids, the county buys the property by writing off the taxes. And you'd be stupid to buy your own at a tax auction, because you'd have fees, penalties, and maybe even a bidding war to jack the expense up. Regardless, people who don't pay taxes, lose it in three years. (I've seen leniency for bankruptcies, but the taxes still accrue.)
2013-06-14 03:36:30 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: legion_of_doo: The Detroit way is to:
1) blame whitey.

You sound white. And Republican.


You sound like you've never been to Detroit.
2013-06-14 03:30:08 PM
1 votes:

Gunny Walker: They don't have tax auctions in Detroit?


They do, but it's very disorganized.  If they do figure out you're delinquent on taxes (a BIG if), you yourself can go to the auction, buy your property for less than the tax bill, then start over with a $0 property tax balance.  People have done that.
2013-06-14 03:19:58 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: Detroit has a lot interesting stuff going on. Lots of young people are moving in because it's cheap.

Think of any formerly-rundown-now-gentrified neighborhood in your city - it's like that, in the early stages. But on a bigger scale.


Despite the fact that a) my auto insurance would double overnight, b) I couldn't count on police response for anything, and c) lack of decent public transport (the buses are wretched and getting budgets slashed anyhow)... I'd move to Detroit in a heartbeat if it didn't mean an hour long commute to work and if I could find a decent neighborhood.  Hamtramck for sure.  There's awesome, awesome stuff going on there now and I only get to experience it vicariously through my friends.
2013-06-14 03:14:24 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: No, the democrat way is to tax people more and then use that tax money to make people want to live in Detroit.


The Detroit way is to:
1) blame whitey.
2) ???
3) Profit! (and embezzle the shiat out of the money that the city actually does get, or hand it out to your cronies)

/don't know nothin bout no god damn krugerrands!
2013-06-14 03:13:47 PM
1 votes:

rko281: Removing all the corrupt politicians from the city counsel and government leadership would have an even bigger impact. Making a huge personal property investment in an area with a corrupt, unstable government is just nuts.


No, we can't do that. Anyone not from Detroit is going to bring back slavery.
2013-06-14 03:12:20 PM
1 votes:
Removing all the corrupt politicians from the city counsel and government leadership would have an even bigger impact. Making a huge personal property investment in an area with a corrupt, unstable government is just nuts.
2013-06-14 03:00:12 PM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And they could go after the slumlords with more vigor (they = emergency manager), but ah, f--k it, let's sell off the DIA.


PLEASE.  He was pointing out that the creditors might go after the art, not that HE wanted to.  It was a warning: fix the problem.
2013-06-14 02:59:28 PM
1 votes:
What Detroit needs is a TV series that combines elements of The Wire with Robocop.
2013-06-14 02:59:02 PM
1 votes:

Decillion: How is Detroit able to fill stadiums of four pro sports teams? Is there a magic fairy land of jobs in the suburbs?


Compared to the city itself? Yes.

That said, my uncle works downtown and used to live downtown, too, until he realized he could live just north of the city and not have to drive for 20 minutes just to get to a decent grocery store. Property taxes aren't what's keeping people from living in Detroit.
2013-06-14 02:57:55 PM
1 votes:

Decillion: How is Detroit able to fill stadiums of four pro sports teams? Is there a magic fairy land of jobs in the suburbs?


Doesn't hurt that Detroit is adjacent to one of top 3 richest counties in the nation ya know.
2013-06-14 02:54:25 PM
1 votes:
Wasn't this the same city that were practically giving away houses to police stationed there but they still opted out?

I've read haunting articles about the rapid (and continuing) decline of this city and at some point it will only house people who can't afford to move out of it. That will be an ugly time for this place.

/I love Tampa
2013-06-14 02:54:22 PM
1 votes:

Ethertap: Properties in Detroit are worth enough money to pay taxes on?


Yes. And the city has literally millions in unpaid taxes.
2013-06-14 02:51:46 PM
1 votes:
Properties in Detroit are worth enough money to pay taxes on?
 
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