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(Major League Baseball)   The cost for throwing at another pitcher's head: 10 games   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 63
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2013-06-14 03:15:18 PM
Should have been more for throwing at Greinke's head.

Kurt Gibson deserved at least five games, not only because it happened, but because he brushed it off like it was a good play during interviews after the game.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:53 PM
Kirk Gibson, even. ;)
 
2013-06-14 03:18:16 PM
I think the player suspensions were mostly fair.  I think the managers/coaches got off way easy.  They should be stopping the players, not teaming up with them.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:33 PM
10 games for a starting pitcher doesn't have a big impact on the club.  Basically, you lose one start from him.  You appeal the decision until one minute after you pull him from his next scheduled start.  4 days rest, 1 missed start, 5 days rest, pitch on Day 11.

Not much of a message to the Arizona front office there.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:55 PM
I knew it was going to be 10 games for Kennedy, they don't really suspend pitchers for much more than that usually.  The other punishments look alright.  Glad to see Puig was only fined (deserved).
 
2013-06-14 03:21:59 PM
On the plus side for Arizona, it's now illegal for 5 games to allow Eric Hinske to hit or play defense.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:40 PM
So Kennedy gets 10 games... fine. That makes sense. While I don't think he intended to go for Greinke's head, that's what happened so that suspension is fair, IMO.

But can anyone explain Eric Hinske's 5 game ban while using actual facts? They said he started the fight with Puig. That's beyond laughable. Puig threw the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. haymakers on anyone and everyone he was near. And Puig only got fined? How the fark is that right?

How is it right that McGuire only got 2 games? He should've received 4-6 games. Mattingly only one game? He farking threw an opposing coach to the ground! That should be worth more than 1 damn game!

How does JP Howell only get 2 games for going WWE on a Dbacks coach? How does Skip Schumacher only get 2 games. How does Belisario only get 1 game? Hell, Dodger fans are shocked by that!

MLB had an opportunity to make a statement here and end this crap. Instead, they took 2 farking days and still farked up. They failed massively on this.

\Hinske has already announced his intention to appeal, calling his ban "unreal."
 
2013-06-14 03:24:44 PM
Gibson, McGwire and Williams are three of the biggest guys to play in the last 20 years.  Seeing them with handfuls of each others jerseys and jawing was the most impressive thing about that fight, apart from Vin Scully's announcing.
 
2013-06-14 03:26:16 PM

justabitdisturbed: Glad to see Puig was only fined (deserved).


To think that, your name must be a bit of an understatement. Throwing haymakers and starting shiat only gets a fine in your world?
 
2013-06-14 03:27:32 PM
Oh, and I forgot; why the hell isn't Juan Uribe on the punishment list?
 
2013-06-14 03:30:44 PM
*starts shiat*

Final say on disciplinary measures is usually Joe Torre, so of course he'd go easy on his Dodgers.

*flees*
 
2013-06-14 03:32:52 PM

The Bestest: *starts shiat*

Final say on disciplinary measures is usually Joe Torre, so of course he'd go easy on his Dodgers.

*flees*


And it was announced by the GM of the 2001 World Series winning D-backs. And who did they beat that year?

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2013-06-14 03:32:56 PM
So, just 2 starts?
 
2013-06-14 03:34:41 PM

desertgeek: How does JP Howell only get 2 games for going WWE on a Dbacks coach? How does Skip Schumacher only get 2 games. How does Belisario only get 1 game? Hell, Dodger fans are shocked by that!



yeah, i think the Snakes' suspensions are -- Hinske excepted -- largely appropriate, but.....Howell and Schu getting two?  Belisario hit how many people?  he alone kept the entire melee going.  Yer doin' a grate job, Garagiola-ie*!

and i wonder if this changes Greinke's philosophy at all.  granted he's been in the NL for what, 3-4 years, but now that this season alone, he got his collarbone snapped and then got dotted, i wonder he'll be less inclined to go inside.


*I wonder if he "overpunished" or, stated differently, "underpunished" the Dodgers to avoid any allegations of favoring the D-Backs.  If you weren't aware, Garagiola Jr. was the D-Backs GM from their inception, and served as GM for 5-6 years.
 
2013-06-14 03:35:25 PM
Why suspend a starter 10 games when 14 makes him miss the same number of scheduled starts?
 
2013-06-14 03:39:34 PM
Headhunting was stupid, even for a Kennedy. He shoulda aimed for the collarbone.
 
2013-06-14 03:39:42 PM
Criteria for baseball suspensions are too hard to understand. We need a flowchart like hockey.
 
2013-06-14 03:41:18 PM

The Bestest: Criteria for baseball suspensions are too hard to understand. We need a flowchart like hockey.


After this, someone needs to make a wheel of justice for MLB. We'd do better with that.
 
2013-06-14 03:41:39 PM

Lifeless: Why suspend a starter 10 games when 14 makes him miss the same number of scheduled starts?


That's the exact argument that would've reduced an appealed 14-game suspension down to 10.  Guessing MLB didn't want to lose an appeal.
 
2013-06-14 03:43:41 PM

violentsalvation: Headhunting was stupid, even for a Kennedy



I submitted something like "Kennedy disciplined for inciting Bay Of Puigs fiasco"
 
2013-06-14 03:44:35 PM
There's about 8 kinds of bullshiat going on with this ruling.  Completely disproportionate and essentially absolving the Dodgers of their conduct during the actual brawl.
 
2013-06-14 03:46:52 PM

rickythepenguin: violentsalvation: Headhunting was stupid, even for a Kennedy


I submitted something like "Kennedy disciplined for inciting Bay Of Puigs fiasco"


Heh, you deserved the greenlight, there is no humor in this headline here.
 
2013-06-14 03:53:34 PM
I normally hate the Dodgers, but I certainly understand why they were the more aggressive party during that brawl. Doesn't mean they should've basically skated away like they have, though.

And I'm guessing Eric Hinske had a one-night stand with Bud Selig's niece years ago and never called her back, hence his suspension.
 
2013-06-14 03:58:05 PM

desertgeek: MLB had an opportunity to make a statement here and end this crap. Instead, they took 2 farking days and still farked up. They failed massively on this.


Headlines, airtime, discussion, argument.

They know how their bread is buttered.
 
2013-06-14 04:00:13 PM
the other part of this is word is out;  throw at batter's head = 10 games.  MLB laid a bright line rule, let's see if they stick to it.
 
2013-06-14 04:05:07 PM

rickythepenguin: the other part of this is word is out;  throw at batter's head = 10 games.  MLB laid a bright line rule, let's see if they stick to it.


Well, that's really a 1-2 game suspension for a starting pitcher.  My guess is if it was a reliever, it would be probably be something like 3-4 games.
 
2013-06-14 04:14:30 PM

chimp_ninja: 10 games for a starting pitcher doesn't have a big impact on the club.  Basically, you lose one start from him.  You appeal the decision until one minute after you pull him from his next scheduled start.  4 days rest, 1 missed start, 5 days rest, pitch on Day 11.

Not much of a message to the Arizona front office there.


Yeah, I kinda agree.  But technically, if you suspend pitchers the same as you would other players, you're removing the same percentage of their games.

In this case I do think it should have been 20-25 games.  It was brutal, and he could have very seriously injured someone.
 
2013-06-14 04:14:39 PM

meanmutton: Well, that's really a 1-2 game suspension for a starting pitcher.



Obviously, given the 4-5 games off between starts, but not so long ago that was 5.  10 used to be reserved for like, egregious type shiat.  not no more!

LA skated here.  the more you think about it, or if you go back and watch the melee, LA kept that shiat going.  Even as a Snakes homer, i can buy that we quote unquote "started" it, but.....LA escalated that shiat bigtime.  specifically those fugazi tough guys bellisario and powell.

wow good job powell, you took out a 50-yr old dude (turner ward) with a beer belly. you should join Seal Team Six.
 
2013-06-14 04:17:42 PM

desertgeek: MLB had an opportunity to make a statement here and end this crap


They did.  The only reason there was a brawl to begin with was because Kennedy threw at the head of Greinke after throwing near the head of Puig.  Had Kennedy just plunked Greinke in the ass, there likely would have been jawing and nothing else.  The baseball beaning wars and "unwritten" rules are beyond stupid, but the D-Backs were the ones that escalated it to a brawl so fark them.  Sorry you can't look at this objectively.
 
2013-06-14 04:25:10 PM

Anderson's Pooper: Gibson, McGwire and Williams are three of the biggest guys to play in the last 20 years.  Seeing them with handfuls of each others jerseys and jawing was the most impressive thing about that fight, apart from Vin Scully's announcing.


at no point during 1993 - 2013 was Kirk Gibson a superstar player.
 
2013-06-14 04:33:50 PM
As someone who doesn't really care one way or the other (I hate NL baseball), it looked like Kennedy was amazingly out of line but the Dodgers appeared to be the ones who were pushing it into a brawl.
 
2013-06-14 04:34:12 PM

dark brew: desertgeek: MLB had an opportunity to make a statement here and end this crap

They did.  The only reason there was a brawl to begin with was because Kennedy threw at the head of Greinke after throwing near the head of Puig.  Had Kennedy just plunked Greinke in the ass, there likely would have been jawing and nothing else.  The baseball beaning wars and "unwritten" rules are beyond stupid, but the D-Backs were the ones that escalated it to a brawl so fark them.  Sorry you can't look at this objectively.


BS.  You can't just say that everything that happens after the gloves are off is fair game.  Either Kennedy takes the entirety of the blame for starting it, or everyone gets proportional punishment for their actions during the entire event.  The way this punishment is structured, Kennedy (rightfully) gets the worst of it.  Eric Hinske gets 5 games for God knows what.  Meanwhile, the Dodgers get a slap on the wrist.
 
2013-06-14 04:35:32 PM

Uncle Pooky: Anderson's Pooper: Gibson, McGwire and Williams are three of the biggest guys to play in the last 20 years.  Seeing them with handfuls of each others jerseys and jawing was the most impressive thing about that fight, apart from Vin Scully's announcing.

at no point during 1993 - 2013 was Kirk Gibson a superstar player.


I think he meant in terms of physical size.  Kirk Gibson was a rather physically imposing guy.
 
2013-06-14 04:38:52 PM

meanmutton: Kirk Gibson was a rather physically imposing guy.



All-American WIDE RECEIVER at Michigan State.  then-Sparty coach Darryl Rogers (who later went on to coahc in the NFL) suggested he give baseball a shot as a way to keep in shape in the off-season.  Kirk never looked back!
 
2013-06-14 04:39:01 PM

Uncle Pooky: at no point during 1993 - 2013 was Kirk Gibson a superstar player.


I never said he was.  They're just three big physical guys each the size of two of your standard Dominican shortstops.


/But he did hit 23 homers in 1994.
 
2013-06-14 05:00:37 PM

rickythepenguin: violentsalvation: Headhunting was stupid, even for a Kennedy


I submitted something like "Kennedy disciplined for inciting Bay Of Puigs fiasco"


As the Subby, I say you should've gotten the green.

/I was likely the 1st one in so that's why I got it.
//PS- Kennedy's financial punishment for a 10 game suspension: over $260,000
 
2013-06-14 05:02:35 PM

desertgeek: //PS- Kennedy's financial punishment for a 10 game suspension: over $260,000


..so, 1 theoretical A-Rod plate appearance?
 
2013-06-14 05:19:19 PM

Stile4aly: There's about 8 kinds of bullshiat going on with this ruling.  Completely disproportionate and essentially absolving the Dodgers of their conduct during the actual brawl.


This. And nothing for Grienke? Second brawl caused by him this year. Took 4 attempts at hitting Montero, one near head level. Basically only dodgers throwing punches. Kershaw not even a fine for throwing a punch? Pretty biased ruling.
 
2013-06-14 05:22:01 PM

MyRandomName: Stile4aly: There's about 8 kinds of bullshiat going on with this ruling.  Completely disproportionate and essentially absolving the Dodgers of their conduct during the actual brawl.

This. And nothing for Grienke? Second brawl caused by him this year. Took 4 attempts at hitting Montero, one near head level. Basically only dodgers throwing punches. Kershaw not even a fine for throwing a punch? Pretty biased ruling.


Grienke got a fine
 
2013-06-14 05:22:19 PM
I'm surprised McGwire only got 2 games.
 
2013-06-14 05:22:44 PM

dark brew: They did. The only reason there was a brawl to begin with was because Kennedy threw at the head of Greinke after throwing near the head of Puig. Had Kennedy just plunked Greinke in the ass, there likely would have been jawing and nothing else.


Yup.  Really, Greinke should have been tossed after an obvious retaliatory HBP to Montero.  But that didn't start a fight, because there was no perceived intent to injure.  Still, umpires need to send a message that it's never OK to intentionally bean a guy.

Any HBP above the numbers basically is starting a fight.  It's a lot more dangerous than throwing a punch, and is rightfully treated as such.
 
2013-06-14 05:23:04 PM

dark brew: desertgeek: MLB had an opportunity to make a statement here and end this crap

They did.  The only reason there was a brawl to begin with was because Kennedy threw at the head of Greinke after throwing near the head of Puig.  Had Kennedy just plunked Greinke in the ass, there likely would have been jawing and nothing else.  The baseball beaning wars and "unwritten" rules are beyond stupid, but the D-Backs were the ones that escalated it to a brawl so fark them.  Sorry you can't look at this objectively.


Why do idiot dodgers fans keep pretending kennedy was throwing at the head of Puig. Repeating this just reinforces how dumb dodgers fans are.

As for the brawl, that was escalated by only dodgers. They threw 90% of the punches, dl players joined the scrum, etc.
 
2013-06-14 05:29:12 PM
Fark pretty much everything about Arizona.
 
2013-06-14 05:33:44 PM

meanmutton: I think he meant in terms of physical size.  Kirk Gibson was a rather physically imposing guy.


Anderson's Pooper: I never said he was.  They're just three big physical guys each the size of two of your standard Dominican shortstops.



Mea culpa.
 
2013-06-14 05:43:40 PM

MyRandomName: Stile4aly: There's about 8 kinds of bullshiat going on with this ruling.  Completely disproportionate and essentially absolving the Dodgers of their conduct during the actual brawl.

This. And nothing for Grienke? Second brawl caused by him this year. Took 4 attempts at hitting Montero, one near head level. Basically only dodgers throwing punches. Kershaw not even a fine for throwing a punch? Pretty biased ruling.


It was really terrible that Greinke got his head in the way of that Kennedy pitch.  He should be banninated for life.

Or did you expect that Greinke wasn't going to have Puig's back?  If that's what you expected, you must be very new to MLB.
 
2013-06-14 06:19:03 PM

chimp_ninja: dark brew: They did. The only reason there was a brawl to begin with was because Kennedy threw at the head of Greinke after throwing near the head of Puig. Had Kennedy just plunked Greinke in the ass, there likely would have been jawing and nothing else.

Yup.  Really, Greinke should have been tossed after an obvious retaliatory HBP to Montero.  But that didn't start a fight, because there was no perceived intent to injure.  Still, umpires need to send a message that it's never OK to intentionally bean a guy.

Any HBP above the numbers basically is starting a fight.  It's a lot more dangerous than throwing a punch, and is rightfully treated as such.


This is true. The proper sequence of events should've been:

Puig HBP
Warnings given to both teams (since it was 1-1 in HBPs at that point, albeit both were accidental).

The one thing you kind of forget is that the Montero HBP did result in both teams coming out on to the field, though nothing more than some jawing took place.
 
2013-06-14 06:24:36 PM
No biggie.  He misses one start and has the second one pushed back a day.
 
2013-06-14 06:39:24 PM
Maybe MLB took pity on the Dodgers because half their team seems to always be on the disabled list.

Kennedy should have gotten 20 games.  Throwing at the head should be treated like the attempted manslaughter it is.  You don't do it.  Throw at the back, the hip, the legs...something that has no chance of ending a career or a life.  I am being a bit hyperbolic on that but my point is intended.

Puig should have gotten at least a couple games.  Sure, his punches were inartfully thrown and looked silly, but they were punches.

Coaches should have gotten a lot more.

Greinke deserved to be hit as it took him three or four tries to even hit the guy HE was aiming at, but no one deserves to get hit in the head, except maybe Brian Doyle Murray.
 
2013-06-14 06:42:18 PM

PowerSlacker: MyRandomName: Stile4aly: There's about 8 kinds of bullshiat going on with this ruling.  Completely disproportionate and essentially absolving the Dodgers of their conduct during the actual brawl.

This. And nothing for Grienke? Second brawl caused by him this year. Took 4 attempts at hitting Montero, one near head level. Basically only dodgers throwing punches. Kershaw not even a fine for throwing a punch? Pretty biased ruling.

It was really terrible that Greinke got his head in the way of that Kennedy pitch.  He should be banninated for life.

Or did you expect that Greinke wasn't going to have Puig's back?  If that's what you expected, you must be very new to MLB.


Gregorious got hit in the head and ended up with a concussion in a different series.  They didn't target the other team and go rushing out to throw punches.  The Puig hit was not intentional.

Are dodger's fans really this dumb?  Seriously, honest question.

Likewise Grienke threw at Montero's head, he just missed.  Then he threw two more times finally hitting Montero.  Sometimes a ball goes up.  Kennedy has had a raised motion on his fastball all year.  He was not head hunting.  Montero was hit at the top of his numbers, that ball slips a bit and it is the exact same hit as the one on Grienke.
 
2013-06-14 06:48:54 PM
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