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(Washington Post)   Jeb Bush wants more immigrants in America because "they're more fertile." Giggity   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 81
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2013-06-14 02:52:24 PM
They are also superior dancers.
 
2013-06-14 02:53:54 PM
Oh, gawd. They can't even say NICE things without sounding like knuckle dragging, mouth breathing morons.
 
2013-06-14 02:54:22 PM
Wow, THAT was a ham-handed way to come out in favor of immigration reform.
 
2013-06-14 02:55:49 PM
I see they still haven't dropped the racism from their platform.  Kudos to them.  Got to be true to yourself.
 
2013-06-14 02:56:07 PM
Technically this is true. In demography fertility refers to the numbers of children born, not the biological ability to produce children.  So he's just saying that they quantifiably have more kids.  We need this to support the pyramid scheme upon which our economy is founded upon.
 
2013-06-14 02:59:20 PM
But their children will be "little brown ones."
 
2013-06-14 02:59:25 PM
Immigrants have a highly developed sense of rhythm and are better at sports
 
2013-06-14 02:59:41 PM
They just really cannot help themselves, can they? They really are committed to being the "Party of Stupid."
 
2013-06-14 03:02:14 PM

Notabunny: Immigrants have a highly developed sense of rhythm and are better at sports


I heard its because of finer fast-twitch muscle fiber. And PEDs.
 
2013-06-14 03:02:52 PM
One of my maid made me learn that the hard way. He is right!
 
2013-06-14 03:03:33 PM
Bush, whose wife is a Mexican-born immigrant

"If you know what I mean", he added.
 
2013-06-14 03:04:51 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: Notabunny: Immigrants have a highly developed sense of rhythm and are better at sports

I heard its because of finer fast-twitch muscle fiber. And PEDs.


Don't forget about the extra bone in their ankles.
 
2013-06-14 03:05:54 PM

CatfoodSpork: Technically this is true. In demography fertility refers to the numbers of children born, not the biological ability to produce children.  So he's just saying that they quantifiably have more kids.  We need this to support the pyramid scheme upon which our economy is founded upon.


no, he's flat out wrong. It is true that immigrants initially have more kids but this falls off to cultural norms by the next generation. So the "boost" is a short term boost. In any event, there is no connection between increased supply of labor and increased productivity. The great increases in American productivity have not come from increased labor but from technology. So increases in immigration does nothing to boost productivity, contrary to what he claims.
 
2013-06-14 03:07:06 PM
I can`t figure out the rules of this GOP internal battle. Is the "winner" whoever says the least stupid things, or the most?
 
2013-06-14 03:08:57 PM
I did not need the mental image of Jeb thinking about fine, healthy-hipped Latina women in the first floor bathroom of Bush Manor.
 
2013-06-14 03:09:26 PM

mayIFark: One of my maid made me learn that the hard way. He is right!


Arnold?
 
2013-06-14 03:10:14 PM
Wow, good to see evangelicals singing the praises of the papists.  It's one beautiful theofascoderpof*cko circle jerk in the GOP, and they're all singing Cum-buyah* again!

//*in her hole, not her face, Juan!
 
2013-06-14 03:10:15 PM

apoptotic: I can`t figure out the rules of this GOP internal battle. Is the "winner" whoever says the least stupid things, or the most?


It depends on herp you derp
 
2013-06-14 03:11:35 PM
Story appears to check out:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acs-19.pdf

The important missing caveat is that these things are also strongly linked to wealth and education. Importing immigrants might boost your birth rate for a generation or two, but once their descendants (especially the women) get more advanced education and careers, the birth rate is going to fall.
 
2013-06-14 03:12:27 PM

worlddan: CatfoodSpork: Technically this is true. In demography fertility refers to the numbers of children born, not the biological ability to produce children.  So he's just saying that they quantifiably have more kids.  We need this to support the pyramid scheme upon which our economy is founded upon.

no, he's flat out wrong. It is true that immigrants initially have more kids but this falls off to cultural norms by the next generation. So the "boost" is a short term boost. In any event, there is no connection between increased supply of labor and increased productivity. The great increases in American productivity have not come from increased labor but from technology. So increases in immigration does nothing to boost productivity, contrary to what he claims.


Of course, but we need a large supply of cheap labor to drive down wages, so...
 
2013-06-14 03:13:13 PM
My daughter is 1/4 mexican, mother is half and i'm hienz 57 white oklahoma/native american.

gave her a name that could be pronounced white or spanish just in case the revolution comes.
 
2013-06-14 03:14:59 PM
The problem for Jeb is that just feeds the whole, "OMG THEY'RE TAKING OVER!" thing that's so popular with the base.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:20 PM
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Someone tell Jeb that a pearl necklace will not impregnate immigrant regardless of what the abstinence-only course materials say.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:37 PM

CatfoodSpork: Technically this is true. In demography fertility refers to the numbers of children born, not the biological ability to produce children.  So he's just saying that they quantifiably have more kids.  We need this to support the pyramid scheme upon which our economy is founded upon.


Yeah, I can't really get up in his grill over this.

Long term, America is in danger of shrinking. Thanks to immigration (and immigrants do have larger families), we're not facing the dire demographic crunch that other nations like Japan, Russia, European nations, and even China are facing. And our economy *is* based on growth, without growth we're in a lot, lot, lot of trouble.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:22 PM

worlddan: CatfoodSpork: Technically this is true. In demography fertility refers to the numbers of children born, not the biological ability to produce children.  So he's just saying that they quantifiably have more kids.  We need this to support the pyramid scheme upon which our economy is founded upon.

no, he's flat out wrong. It is true that immigrants initially have more kids but this falls off to cultural norms by the next generation. So the "boost" is a short term boost. In any event, there is no connection between increased supply of labor and increased productivity. The great increases in American productivity have not come from increased labor but from technology. So increases in immigration does nothing to boost productivity, contrary to what he claims.


There may be a boost to the economy but the last time we introduced a large number of new workers into our economy the productivity to wage relationship diverged.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:50 PM
I'm not as close to immigrants as some of the most ardent fans. But I have some great friends who are immigrant owners.
 
2013-06-14 03:21:07 PM

worlddan: CatfoodSpork: Technically this is true. In demography fertility refers to the numbers of children born, not the biological ability to produce children.  So he's just saying that they quantifiably have more kids.  We need this to support the pyramid scheme upon which our economy is founded upon.

no, he's flat out wrong. It is true that immigrants initially have more kids but this falls off to cultural norms by the next generation.


You are correct, but he didn't say that.

So the "boost" is a short term boost.

Also true.

In any event, there is no connection between increased supply of labor and increased productivity.

He didn't claim that.

The great increases in American productivity have not come from increased labor but from technology. So increases in immigration does nothing to boost productivity, contrary to what he claims.

There is a third option: People who create small businesses. And immigrants are a net positive to productivity because they create businesses at a greater rate than native-born Americans.
 
2013-06-14 03:21:53 PM
We're struggling to find laborers because we've diluted the job market.  I was a framing carpenter until I was 20.  Back then you could support a wife and mortgage.  Now they hire 3 laborers with no skills, government subsidized housing and build crap houses.  The framing, painting, landscaping, etc., industries aren't hispanic because Americans won't do the jobs, they're hispanic because hispanics are cheap for the business owner.  Americans who plan can't afford to have kids.  Importing the stupidest immigrants possible for fertility isn't the solution.
 
2013-06-14 03:25:45 PM
So now the Tea-Baggers will say he's a RINO in favor of more "Anchor Babies" to take American jobs, right? The relatively sane Republicans like Jeb sure put themselves in a bad spot with their "Let's let ignorant, racist morons feel like they're politically active" Tea Party experiment.

/HA HA
//Nelson
 
hej
2013-06-14 03:30:53 PM
I can understand the claim that they're more fertile.  I don't understand why this is a good thing.  Are we running out of people or something?
 
2013-06-14 03:31:45 PM
Oh my good lord. How can these idiots speak in public without feeling like they've shamed their entire family line?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 03:32:03 PM

hej: I can understand the claim that they're more fertile.  I don't understand why this is a good thing.  Are we running out of people or something?


For some reason your level of Christian derp is exactly correlated with how many little shiats women are supposed to squeeze out.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 03:34:07 PM

StopLurkListen: There is a third option: People who create small businesses. And immigrants are a net positive to productivity because they create businesses at a greater rate than native-born Americans.


Because corporations refuse to hire them for anything but menial labor.
 
2013-06-14 03:34:48 PM
StopLurkListen:

He didn't claim that.

If we don't do it, we will be in decline, because the productivity of this country is dependent upon young people that are equipped to be able to work hard,"

He most certainly did.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 03:36:59 PM

apoptotic: I can`t figure out the rules of this GOP internal battle. Is the "winner" whoever says the least stupid things, or the most?


In all seriousness, this is what happened when your party is a coalition between super-greedheads and xenophobic-farkwads.  The greedheads want immigrants because they are virtually slave labor.  The xenophobes are scared of anyone but fat middle aged male blowhards.  It gets messy really quickly.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 03:37:45 PM

worlddan: If we don't do it, we will be in decline, because the productivity of this country is dependent upon young people that are equipped to be able to work hard,"


...who won't demand that they pay enough to make a decent living.

He left that out.
 
2013-06-14 03:39:11 PM
INCREASING OUR POPULATION IS BAD FOR THE ECONOMY. Jesus, will anyone listen to me? It drives consumer spending, yes, but this only marginally increases jobs relative to the increased number of workers looking for jobs. A higher population leads to higher unemployment. Of course big business Republicans are for immigration and high birth rates. They don't give a shiat about preserving the environment or protecting the negotiating power of workers. They love the idea of millions more desperate unemployed workers driving down wages even further.
 
2013-06-14 03:40:21 PM

Captain Darling: Story appears to check out:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2012pubs/acs-19.pdf

The important missing caveat is that these things are also strongly linked to wealth and education. Importing immigrants might boost your birth rate for a generation or two, but once their descendants (especially the women) get more advanced education and careers, the birth rate is going to fall.


Plus it's not even like there is a massive difference: the average family in the US has 2.0 children whereas Mexico (where about half of immigrants are from) is 2.8. Guatemala and Honduras are the only countries that contribute significantly to immigration with more than twice our birth rate (4.9 and 4.3 respectively). The "has tons of kids" stereotype is about as true as saying families during the baby boom (which hit 3.8) were being completely swarmed with children.

Plus as you mentioned behavior adjusts to fit the culture. Just saw an interesting study about how the spread of cable TV correlates highly with declining birth rates in India (the areas of the country that got cable first saw their fertility rates drop first.)
 
2013-06-14 03:42:23 PM

hej: I can understand the claim that they're more fertile.  I don't understand why this is a good thing.  Are we running out of people or something?


Our economy depends on an ever increasing consumer base, so yes, any non-increase in population is a bad thing.
 
2013-06-14 03:43:13 PM
In other words, immigrants are doing the labor Americans don't want to do
 
2013-06-14 03:43:28 PM

PsiChick: Oh my good lord. How can these idiots speak in public without feeling like they've shamed their entire family line?


Um, short of picking his nose and flinging a booger at a head of state, there isn't much Jeb can do to shame the family line further than what his bro did.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 03:45:08 PM

Pincy: hej: I can understand the claim that they're more fertile.  I don't understand why this is a good thing.  Are we running out of people or something?

Our economy depends on an ever increasing consumer base, so yes, any non-increase in population is a bad thing.


Constant growth can also be called cancer.  The idea we're going to have growth forever is a laissez faire  economist's fairy tale.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-06-14 03:45:44 PM

Notabunny: In other words, immigrants are doing the labor Americans don't want to do


...without getting paid a fair wage.
 
2013-06-14 03:45:44 PM

coeyagi: PsiChick: Oh my good lord. How can these idiots speak in public without feeling like they've shamed their entire family line?

Um, short of picking his nose and flinging a booger at a head of state, there isn't much Jeb can do to shame the family line further than what his bro did.


True that.
 
2013-06-14 03:51:22 PM
And now was acknowledged the presence of the White Death. He had come like a thief in the night. And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. And the life of the ebony clock went out with that of the last of the gay. And the flames of the tripods expired. And Darkness and Decay and the White Death held illimitable dominion over all.
 
2013-06-14 03:53:13 PM
He really couldn't have found a better way of saying: let's let immigrants in, so they can work to take care of old white people?

Because that is what he is saying.
 
2013-06-14 03:54:53 PM

d23: Pincy: hej: I can understand the claim that they're more fertile.  I don't understand why this is a good thing.  Are we running out of people or something?

Our economy depends on an ever increasing consumer base, so yes, any non-increase in population is a bad thing.

Constant growth can also be called cancer.  The idea we're going to have growth forever is a laissez faire  economist's fairy tale.


It is almost sounding like you believe the planet's resources and physical space are finite.
 
2013-06-14 03:54:55 PM

coeyagi: Um, short of picking his nose and flinging a booger at a head of state, there isn't much Jeb can do to shame the family line further than what his bro did.


Bush family accomplishments:
 - Vomited on Japanese head of state
 - Sexually molested German head of state
 - Look out Italy you're next! (And don't think we've forgotten Hungary and Slovakia.. we're saving you for the kids.)
 
2013-06-14 03:55:03 PM

ShutThoseLambsUp: So now the Tea-Baggers will say he's a RINO in favor of more "Anchor Babies" to take American jobs, right? The relatively sane Republicans like Jeb sure put themselves in a bad spot with their "Let's let ignorant, racist morons feel like they're politically active" Tea Party experiment.

/HA HA
//Nelson


First: He already is being called a RINO all over the farking place. Go to Yahoo and find their article on it and read the comments. Farking terrifying.

Second: If Jeb gets a presidential nod, he'll fly off the rails.
 
2013-06-14 04:01:50 PM

worlddan: StopLurkListen:

He didn't claim that.

If we don't do it, we will be in decline, because the productivity  population of aging white boomersof this country is dependent upon young people that are equipped to be able to work hard,"

He most certainly did.


I have a plan.  Instead of trying to create more cheap labor to be exploited in order to care for the very people who have farked up so much we just jettison all the boomers into space.

Can you imagine?  Waking up in an America where everyone over 60 has just been raptured?  Maybe I could find a house for a reasonable price that isn't in the middle of bum fark no where.  And we could have sane technology laws.  And the voters wouldn't be weighed down with a tide of old xenophobes.
 
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