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2013-06-14 04:51:46 PM
WTF, this is happening in Arizona? I thought kids there would just shoot them, not play around with magnifying glasses.
 
2013-06-14 04:54:54 PM
I am torn.. I mean his could have gone really poorly.. But it didn't get to out of hand. It is not like anyone lost a house. But burning living things needs to be addressed. Because that is just farked.
 
2013-06-14 05:20:14 PM

Cup_O_Jo: I am torn.. I mean his could have gone really poorly.. But it didn't get to out of hand. It is not like anyone lost a house. But burning living things needs to be addressed. Because that is just farked.


They aren't living when they're burned. They're living when they're boiled, then they die and are burned.
 
2013-06-14 05:25:16 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Inflatable Rhetoric: Atomic Spunk: The girls were referred to juvenile court to face allegations of reckless burning.

This seems like an overreaction to a fire that didn't cause any significant property damage (or at least the article made it sound that way), and wasn't intentionally set. I'm guessing it wasn't intentional because the girls tried to stomp it out after it started.

I'd like to think that our court system has bigger criminals to go after, but maybe not.

I agree.  They're kids, get over it.

yeah, who cares? What's the worst that could happen?
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Well, they shouldn't have tried to evade the authorities.
 
2013-06-14 05:37:33 PM
Sheesh! By that age I was too busy raping my baby sitter to bother with burning ants with a magnifying glass.
 
2013-06-14 05:41:59 PM

Atomic Spunk: The girls were referred to juvenile court to face allegations of reckless burning.

This seems like an overreaction to a fire that didn't cause any significant property damage (or at least the article made it sound that way), and wasn't intentionally set. I'm guessing it wasn't intentional because the girls tried to stomp it out after it started.

I'd like to think that our court system has bigger criminals to go after, but maybe not.


While I agree that it seems a bit excessive, keep in mind that Flag is surrounded by thousands of acres of noting more than fuel for a fire, and the grasses are drying up this time of year. Wildfires aren't something to take lightly up there. Mt Elden is a huge mountain that is still barren from a fire from 1977,and that's right in town.

The wrong conditions one day, and Flag would be but a memory. Nit only is it surrounded by tinder as I mentioned, traffic in town is a nightmare, and you have 2 interstates and a US highway as the only way out of town. I can guarantee you that a Colorado Springs situation would end up with more than just 2 dead.
 
2013-06-14 05:44:28 PM

p0nk: StopLurkListen: We did that when we were kids, too, but we didn't live in an environment made of explodium.

i was about to commend today's youth for having the persistence to actually start a fire with a magnifying glass until i considered that this took place in AZ.


Flagstaff isn't Phoenix, it's 7000 feet on elevation, much cooler, and gets snow all winter, so the ants didn't exactly spontaneously combust...

Down in Phoenix, though? The magnifying glass might actually slow things down. ;-)
 
2013-06-14 05:44:46 PM
Mock26:   And unless they were using a really big magnifying glass it takes a bit of time to ignite something like dried glass or paper.  So based on my personal experience doing this sort of thing I am going to call Bullschitt on their story.

I don't think you've experienced the pent-up potential energy of the biome known as 'sun-crisped chaparral', full of tinder-like things with names like creosote bush and greasewood.   It's not like a grassy meadow, or even dead leaves on a forest floor.   On a sunny summer day you could probably set it on fire with a shot glass, if not just by looking at it funny.

That said, I agree that they probably weren't torturing ants... the secret-ciggie explanation passes Occam's Razor as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-06-14 05:47:02 PM

Mock26: Wow.  They must really suck at burning ants.  I used a magnifying glass to burn hundreds of ants when I was a kid, and I never managed to set anything else on fire. Ants do not "burn" like a candle.  They just sizzle and pop.  And unless they were using a really big magnifying glass it takes a bit of time to ignite something like dried glass or paper.  So based on my personal experience doing this sort of thing I am going to call Bullschitt on their story.  I think that they were trying to set something else on fire, succeeded and then panicked and called for help. The burning ants is just a story to try and cover their asses.


Except that the town is surrounded by shiat just waiting to be set on fire. Keep in mind that nobody else besides you has ever had an ants-only magnifying glass. The rest of us risked setting the grass that the ants are crawling in/on/around on fire along with the ants.
 
2013-06-14 05:52:21 PM

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(How soon you people forget....)


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2013-06-14 06:02:01 PM

Dinodork: Ow! That was my feelings!: Inflatable Rhetoric: Atomic Spunk: The girls were referred to juvenile court to face allegations of reckless burning.

This seems like an overreaction to a fire that didn't cause any significant property damage (or at least the article made it sound that way), and wasn't intentionally set. I'm guessing it wasn't intentional because the girls tried to stomp it out after it started.

I'd like to think that our court system has bigger criminals to go after, but maybe not.

I agree.  They're kids, get over it.

yeah, who cares? What's the worst that could happen?
[www.hlswatch.com image 771x450]

Thanks, that was my neighborhood. Too soon...


Did it solve your ant problem?
 
2013-06-14 06:07:08 PM

KrispyKritter: Ow! That was my feelings!: They are 13 and 14? Am I off base here thinking that is very old to be doing that kinda thing? Are they future hipsters doing it ironically?

this is more in tune with children half that age. these kids have futures with their names sewn on their pockets.


Hmm. I if either one of these retards were midgets?
 
2013-06-14 06:17:45 PM

SomeoneDumb: WTF, this is happening in Arizona? I thought kids there would just shoot them, not play around with magnifying glasses.


Based on my experiences as a kid from Arizona, that's not until around 15 (unless you count air guns).
 
2013-06-14 07:15:15 PM

Nuclear Monk: Dinodork: Ow! That was my feelings!: Inflatable Rhetoric: Atomic Spunk: The girls were referred to juvenile court to face allegations of reckless burning.

This seems like an overreaction to a fire that didn't cause any significant property damage (or at least the article made it sound that way), and wasn't intentionally set. I'm guessing it wasn't intentional because the girls tried to stomp it out after it started.

I'd like to think that our court system has bigger criminals to go after, but maybe not.

I agree.  They're kids, get over it.

yeah, who cares? What's the worst that could happen?
[www.hlswatch.com image 771x450]

Thanks, that was my neighborhood. Too soon...

Did it solve your ant problem?


Unfortunately not. Stupid lazy fire.
 
2013-06-14 08:14:24 PM

Temporarily Qualmless: Mock26:   And unless they were using a really big magnifying glass it takes a bit of time to ignite something like dried glass or paper.  So based on my personal experience doing this sort of thing I am going to call Bullschitt on their story.

I don't think you've experienced the pent-up potential energy of the biome known as 'sun-crisped chaparral', full of tinder-like things with names like creosote bush and greasewood.   It's not like a grassy meadow, or even dead leaves on a forest floor.   On a sunny summer day you could probably set it on fire with a shot glass, if not just by looking at it funny.

That said, I agree that they probably weren't torturing ants... the secret-ciggie explanation passes Occam's Razor as far as I'm concerned.


Yeah, and try frying an and crawling through all of that stuff.  Even some dumb teenagers would realize that you need an open space for optimum frying capability.
 
2013-06-14 08:16:13 PM

Mikey1969: Mock26: Wow.  They must really suck at burning ants.  I used a magnifying glass to burn hundreds of ants when I was a kid, and I never managed to set anything else on fire. Ants do not "burn" like a candle.  They just sizzle and pop.  And unless they were using a really big magnifying glass it takes a bit of time to ignite something like dried glass or paper.  So based on my personal experience doing this sort of thing I am going to call Bullschitt on their story.  I think that they were trying to set something else on fire, succeeded and then panicked and called for help. The burning ants is just a story to try and cover their asses.

Except that the town is surrounded by shiat just waiting to be set on fire. Keep in mind that nobody else besides you has ever had an ants-only magnifying glass. The rest of us risked setting the grass that the ants are crawling in/on/around on fire along with the ants.


No.  I was just smart enough to fry them on the sidewalk or in the street or some other non-flammable surface and not while they were crawling around flammable material.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:59 PM

JesseL: SomeoneDumb: WTF, this is happening in Arizona? I thought kids there would just shoot them, not play around with magnifying glasses.

Based on my experiences as a kid from Arizona, that's not until around 15 (unless you count air guns).


Good to know.
 
2013-06-14 09:31:39 PM

Mikey1969: Atomic Spunk: The girls were referred to juvenile court to face allegations of reckless burning.

This seems like an overreaction to a fire that didn't cause any significant property damage (or at least the article made it sound that way), and wasn't intentionally set. I'm guessing it wasn't intentional because the girls tried to stomp it out after it started.

I'd like to think that our court system has bigger criminals to go after, but maybe not.

While I agree that it seems a bit excessive, keep in mind that Flag is surrounded by thousands of acres of noting more than fuel for a fire, and the grasses are drying up this time of year. Wildfires aren't something to take lightly up there. Mt Elden is a huge mountain that is still barren from a fire from 1977,and that's right in town.

The wrong conditions one day, and Flag would be but a memory. Nit only is it surrounded by tinder as I mentioned, traffic in town is a nightmare, and you have 2 interstates and a US highway as the only way out of town. I can guarantee you that a Colorado Springs situation would end up with more than just 2 dead.


What is the lessons they are going to learn from a judge that unintentionally starting a big fire hasn't?  We should use the courts (especially juvenile) to punish willful and/or repetitive acts.

I could understand the kid who ran away maybe because he needs to know that isn't what you do when you accidentally start a fire.  Not to mention the parents will probably administer a lot more harsh sentence than the judge ever would.
 
2013-06-14 09:39:58 PM

IRQ12: Mikey1969: Atomic Spunk: The girls were referred to juvenile court to face allegations of reckless burning.

This seems like an overreaction to a fire that didn't cause any significant property damage (or at least the article made it sound that way), and wasn't intentionally set. I'm guessing it wasn't intentional because the girls tried to stomp it out after it started.

I'd like to think that our court system has bigger criminals to go after, but maybe not.

While I agree that it seems a bit excessive, keep in mind that Flag is surrounded by thousands of acres of noting more than fuel for a fire, and the grasses are drying up this time of year. Wildfires aren't something to take lightly up there. Mt Elden is a huge mountain that is still barren from a fire from 1977,and that's right in town.

The wrong conditions one day, and Flag would be but a memory. Nit only is it surrounded by tinder as I mentioned, traffic in town is a nightmare, and you have 2 interstates and a US highway as the only way out of town. I can guarantee you that a Colorado Springs situation would end up with more than just 2 dead.

What is the lessons they are going to learn from a judge that unintentionally starting a big fire hasn't?  We should use the courts (especially juvenile) to punish willful and/or repetitive acts.

I could understand the kid who ran away maybe because he needs to know that isn't what you do when you accidentally start a fire.  Not to mention the parents will probably administer a lot more harsh sentence than the judge ever would.


Part of the point is this getting out and showing kids the seriousness of the issue. Having lived in Flag, I can confirm how in danger they are of a major wildfire disaster. I think that's what they're going for-the scare factor for other kids'
 
2013-06-14 09:44:56 PM

Mock26: Mikey1969: Mock26: Wow.  They must really suck at burning ants.  I used a magnifying glass to burn hundreds of ants when I was a kid, and I never managed to set anything else on fire. Ants do not "burn" like a candle.  They just sizzle and pop.  And unless they were using a really big magnifying glass it takes a bit of time to ignite something like dried glass or paper.  So based on my personal experience doing this sort of thing I am going to call Bullschitt on their story.  I think that they were trying to set something else on fire, succeeded and then panicked and called for help. The burning ants is just a story to try and cover their asses.

Except that the town is surrounded by shiat just waiting to be set on fire. Keep in mind that nobody else besides you has ever had an ants-only magnifying glass. The rest of us risked setting the grass that the ants are crawling in/on/around on fire along with the ants.

No.  I was just smart enough to fry them on the sidewalk or in the street or some other non-flammable surface and not while they were crawling around flammable material.


Regardless of how smart you claim to be, your whole point was to call the ants thing bullshiat based on the fact that they don't run around burning... I pointed out that there is plenty of flammable material on the ground up there.
 
2013-06-15 01:15:32 AM

Inflatable Rhetoric: WelldeadLink: ahchoo: Dead ant, dead ant. Dead ant, dead ant, dead ant, dead ant, dead ant...

To be sung to the "Pink Panther" theme.

For what purpose?



Know how I know "The Pink Panther" was way before your time?
 
2013-06-15 01:32:53 AM
I read that as Falstaff..............beer thread!
 
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