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2013-06-14 02:32:06 PM
I had US Air lose my luggage twice in the same weekend.
 
2013-06-14 02:33:39 PM
Knock on wood, but of all the times my luggage has been lost, only once was it on the outbound leg.  If it takes an extra day for US Scare to delivery my dirty laundry to my front door, I'm not going to be too put out.
 
2013-06-14 02:35:12 PM
GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck
 
2013-06-14 02:35:24 PM
They need a hidden camera in them to film the baggage handlers stealing your stuff.
 
2013-06-14 02:35:44 PM
The airlines will heavily promote this new service with a passenger fee of at least $100 per bag for each leg of your journey.
 
2013-06-14 02:37:07 PM
i4.ytimg.com

Delta Baggage Handler
 
2013-06-14 02:37:11 PM
Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!
 
2013-06-14 02:37:38 PM
As neat as this is, it has one major flaw: it relies on anyone at the airport giving a fark about your missing bag.
 
2013-06-14 02:39:12 PM

StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Please tell me you're trolling.  My iphone can tell which room of my house I'm sitting in.
 
2013-06-14 02:40:15 PM
How will it turn itself off for take-off and landing?
 
2013-06-14 02:40:51 PM
Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.
 
2013-06-14 02:41:39 PM
I'll be able to watch them lose my luggage in real time now.

Sweet.
 
2013-06-14 02:42:37 PM

MindStalker: Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!


United purposely didn't put my small suitcase on a flight as they said it might rain where we were going so they might need to circle the airport a while so they would need less weight so they would burn less fuel. They never told me this before the flight. I didn't get it until the next day.
 
2013-06-14 02:42:58 PM

caddisfly: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck

Please tell me you're trolling.  My iphone can tell which room of my house I'm sitting in.


Yes, we know. Put your pants back on.
 
2013-06-14 02:44:35 PM

StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


To get a lock with a ~5 ft radius, yes. But even indoors you can get enough signal to put you within a 100ft or so radius. That's not ideal but it's a small enough search radius to know your strap on didn't end up in Kansas.
 
2013-06-14 02:44:49 PM

megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.


That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.
 
2013-06-14 02:45:36 PM
Delta's never lost one of my bags.

There is, however, a reason I refer to the acquired decorations to my suitcase as "Delta Dents".
 
2013-06-14 02:45:44 PM
Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.
 
2013-06-14 02:45:54 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.


Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.
 
2013-06-14 02:46:33 PM
American Airlines, every goddamned time.  If they don't lose it on the way to my destination, they lose it on the return trip.
 
2013-06-14 02:47:04 PM

caddisfly: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck

Please tell me you're trolling.  My iphone can tell which room of my house I'm sitting in.


Most smartphone location services use wifi and cell assisted location tracking, which makes it more resilient and lock faster than a standalone gps.
 
2013-06-14 02:47:07 PM
Tamper warning ? Sounds like the ideal contraband luggage. If the guy expecting your delivery sees the bag has been opened in transit he knows not to be there to sign or that you got popped on the way to deliver.

Bag took a detour and extra days enroute ? Ya the cops saw it and then let it through to bust you
 
2013-06-14 02:48:13 PM
So, you'll have a permanent luggage tag huh?  I'm sure there's no way that Customer Service rep Cindy, who is taking my luggage when I check in won't somehow forget to scan the code on my bag, thus my luggage will go to Anchorage (which is where I flew last time), vs. London (my current destination).  And when i point this out to the flight attendant, I'm sure that she'll get right on fixing that, what with my luggage having already taken off, and me still waiting to go.  More likely, I'll be told to turn off my electronic device, and to report it missing when I get to my destination.
 
2013-06-14 02:49:01 PM

YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.


What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?
 
2013-06-14 02:49:56 PM

FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?


Roman candles?
 
2013-06-14 02:50:41 PM

imgod2u: That's not ideal but it's a small enough search radius to know your strap on didn't end up in Kansas.


It's company policy never to imply ownership in the event of a strap-on... always use the indefinite article. A strap-on, never your strap-on.
 
2013-06-14 02:55:24 PM

FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?


The aqueduct?
 
2013-06-14 02:55:52 PM
It's a pretty good idea.  In a better world there would be a standard RFID at carousels so that my phone could ping me when it finally hits the carousel +15 min.  That way I could stay the heck away from the feeding frenzy and still know where my bag was.  Cool stuff.
 
2013-06-14 02:56:27 PM
If I can't take a trip and survive with just my carryon, I ain't going. I can survive a week, easy, with just a carryon bag and my backpack.

//overseas obviously excepted.
 
2013-06-14 02:57:28 PM
While reading this, I thought:

1) Your luggage gets lost enough that you need this? You poor bastards ...
2) People still check baggage that is lost enough to warrant this? You poor bastards ...
3) THIS is the solution? You poor bastards ...

I've flown 8-10x a year for the last 10 years of my life and I have never had a bag lost or something stolen out of it.

You poor bastards.
 
2013-06-14 02:58:19 PM
I'm jinxing myself, but I've never had a bag lost in decades of flying 2-3 times per year.  I've had some very VERY short layovers and connections, and have been amazed the bags showed up with me.

Now, I can't remember the last time I had a complete round trip with all flights on time, or even close to it...
 
2013-06-14 02:58:21 PM

FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?


Besides the aqueduct?
 
2013-06-14 02:58:27 PM

chaddsfarkprefect: FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?

The aqueduct?


Your Mom?
 
2013-06-14 02:59:02 PM

megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.


Your underwear has worms?
 
2013-06-14 02:59:56 PM

FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?


Sanitation
 
2013-06-14 03:00:14 PM
Here's a solution, you can fly with as much crap as you can carry, if you can physically lift your bags they go on the plane. Once onboard there are no seats, you sit on your bags.
Then all that spare room we've just opened up by having an empty hold can be put to good use by having a casino down there, or maybe a brothel.
 
2013-06-14 03:01:16 PM

justadadX3: FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?

Sanitation


Roads
 
2013-06-14 03:02:10 PM

Mad Scientist: justadadX3: FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?

Sanitation

Roads


Cement
 
2013-06-14 03:03:10 PM
Sounds great, assuming every air travel related employee who encounters my bag knows what to do with the barcode and can be relied upon to do it.
 
2013-06-14 03:04:32 PM
Walker:United purposely didn't put my small suitcase on a flight as they said it might rain where we were going so they might need to circle the airport a while so they would need less weight so they would burn less fuel. They never told me this before the flight. I didn't get it until the next day.

I've seen that happen a fair bit on short routes with small planes especially if lots of people check heavy luggage. It's a limitation of the airplane not necessarily a fault of the airline. I'd much rather have my luggage late than the plane be overloaded.
 
2013-06-14 03:10:36 PM

StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck



Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.
 
2013-06-14 03:11:53 PM

YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.


So if they lose our luggage we get to crucify them? I'm OK with this.
 
2013-06-14 03:12:20 PM

genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?


Depends on the Tequila.
 
2013-06-14 03:13:29 PM

Hagbardr: I had US Air lose my luggage twice in the same weekend.


I had America West lose my luggage before we even left the airport.
 
2013-06-14 03:14:08 PM

Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.


Want to know how I know you are lying? There are only 31 GPS satellites in orbit around the entire farking planet.  It'd be pretty damn impressive if your device could somehow connect to 2/3rds of the satellites from a singular location on Earth.

:facepalm:
 
2013-06-14 03:14:25 PM

devildog123: So, you'll have a permanent luggage tag huh?  I'm sure there's no way that Customer Service rep Cindy, who is taking my luggage when I check in won't somehow forget to scan the code on my bag, thus my luggage will go to Anchorage (which is where I flew last time), vs. London (my current destination).  And when i point this out to the flight attendant, I'm sure that she'll get right on fixing that, what with my luggage having already taken off, and me still waiting to go.  More likely, I'll be told to turn off my electronic device, and to report it missing when I get to my destination.


The tag is permanent, but the barcode changes. Probably E-Ink. It changes to reflect all the stuff the old-fashioned sticker tags do. It just can't get pulled off in the gears.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:07 PM
Let's hope it doesn't vibrate.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:56 PM

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Walker:United purposely didn't put my small suitcase on a flight as they said it might rain where we were going so they might need to circle the airport a while so they would need less weight so they would burn less fuel. They never told me this before the flight. I didn't get it until the next day.

I've seen that happen a fair bit on short routes with small planes especially if lots of people check heavy luggage. It's a limitation of the airplane not necessarily a fault of the airline. I'd much rather have my luggage late than the plane be overloaded.


Well it wasn't THAT small a plane. Was a CRJ-700. 66 seats. IAD to San Antonio. Someone even came on the plane and asked people to give up their seats, even though the plane had tons of empty seats.  We thought that was weird, since they didn't mention they were doing it to lighten the load. I especially wasn't pleased since my suitcase was the tiny kind you can fit in the overhead bin. While I was waiting for mine huge suitcases were appearing on the baggage carousel. Wonder how they decide who's gets removed.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:56 PM

megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.


Nice choice of words.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:39 PM

genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?


Tequila on the Depends
 
Nice choice of words.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:40 PM

Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.


There is no possible way to see 21 GPS satellites at once. The absolute max is around 15 for VERY rare occasions in very specific locations. If you can't "connect" to any of them (there's really no connection, just reception) then it sounds like your phone isn't getting any signal at all, which is StopLurkListen's point.

Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location. Get a GPS-only receiver or put your phone on airplane mode and repeat the experiment, especially in a room with no south-facing windows.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:51 PM

genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Nice choice of words.


Well, I guess with tequila it's especially relevant.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:48 PM

megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Nice choice of words.

Well, I guess with tequila it's especially relevant.


I stopped drinking tequila when I realized it made me wake up next to ugly people.
 
2013-06-14 03:20:52 PM

megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.


Tequila does not contain a worm, it is mescal.The worm is known as gusano del maguey.

blog.ascentis.com
 
2013-06-14 03:22:42 PM

genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Nice choice of words.

Well, I guess with tequila it's especially relevant.

I stopped drinking tequila when I realized it made me wake up next to ugly people.


I drink only vodka, yet I still find myself awakening in a bed where an ugly person is laying.

/I always sleep alone.
//Forever alone.
 
2013-06-14 03:26:33 PM

Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.


I'm a pilot.  With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.
 
2013-06-14 03:27:22 PM

Born_Again_Bavarian: . I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course


GPS devices have an almanac telling them approximately where the satellites are going to be in the sky at any given time. You can see that map regardless of whether or not you're receiving a signal from any of the satellites.
 
2013-06-14 03:30:07 PM

dukeblue219: Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

There is no possible way to see 21 GPS satellites at once. The absolute max is around 15 for VERY rare occasions in very specific locations. If you can't "connect" to any of them (there's really no connection, just reception) then it sounds like your phone isn't getting any signal at all, which is StopLurkListen's point.

Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location. Get a GPS-only receiver or put your phone on airplane mode and repeat the experiment, especially in a room with no south-facing windows.


Take it up with the people at GPS Test.  I just turned it on again and now it says 23.
 
2013-06-14 03:30:21 PM
Good luck, I'm connected to 21 GPS satellites
 
2013-06-14 03:33:07 PM
Maybe the airlines and airports should put a bunch of these into circulation so they can figure out why luggage is getting mis-routed and where it is ending up. And who is stealing it.
 
2013-06-14 03:33:29 PM

Born_Again_Bavarian: Take it up with the people at GPS Test.  I just turned it on again and now it says 23.


Any chance you feel the urge and have the spare time to take a screen shot and post it? I believe you, but it's physically impossible so there's something wrong with the app or it's not explaining the data very well.
 
2013-06-14 03:35:01 PM
You'd still have to deal with the dipshiat airline workers who couldn't care less that your bag is lost. Meh.
 
2013-06-14 03:35:46 PM
beagamecharacter.com
 
2013-06-14 03:36:44 PM
GPS Test says I'm in the building next door.
 
2013-06-14 03:37:05 PM

Hagbardr: I had US Air lose my luggage twice in the same weekend.


I had them lose it between the aircraft and the terminal. No kidding.
 
2013-06-14 03:37:21 PM

seadoo2006: While reading this, I thought:

1) Your luggage gets lost enough that you need this? You poor bastards ...
2) People still check baggage that is lost enough to warrant this? You poor bastards ...
3) THIS is the solution? You poor bastards ...

I've flown 8-10x a year for the last 10 years of my life and I have never had a bag lost or something stolen out of it.

You poor bastards.


the closest i've ever come to losing luggage was when somebody at the baggage claim at JFK coincidentally had the same exact backpack as mine (hiking backpack that hasn't been made in a decade)... they even had their straps tied the same way as mine, and also used one of those pieces of paper airports provide for luggage ID (eventually got the right bag back)
 
2013-06-14 03:38:21 PM
Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

 
2013-06-14 03:38:31 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: If I can't take a trip and survive with just my carryon, I ain't going. I can survive a week, easy, with just a carryon bag and my backpack.

//overseas obviously excepted.


I just did 3.5 weeks on a carry one and a backpack.  What do you need?  computer.  toiletries,  kindle.  That's not much.  Then:

7 pairs of under armour underwear which roll up tightly.  No socks needed (central america).  One pair of jeans, two pairs of shorts.  7 shirts.  1 bathing suit.

Wash dirty clothes in the shower once per week.

That's not much space required at all.
 
2013-06-14 03:38:54 PM
GPS Test said the call was coming from inside the house!
 
2013-06-14 03:40:41 PM

nytmare: Maybe the airlines and airports should put a bunch of these into circulation so they can figure out why luggage is getting mis-routed and where it is ending up. And who is stealing it.


Indeed.
 
2013-06-14 03:41:38 PM
Once on board a plane, a passenger can use a smartphone app to check that their bag is in the hold and alert flight crew if it's not there.

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-14 03:43:52 PM

iheartscotch: FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?

Besides the aqueduct?


that movie 'Caligula' was damn entertaining.
 
2013-06-14 03:45:53 PM

Born_Again_Bavarian: dukeblue219: Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

There is no possible way to see 21 GPS satellites at once. The absolute max is around 15 for VERY rare occasions in very specific locations. If you can't "connect" to any of them (there's really no connection, just reception) then it sounds like your phone isn't getting any signal at all, which is StopLurkListen's point.

Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location. Get a GPS-only receiver or put your phone on airplane mode and repeat the experiment, especially in a room with no south-facing windows.

Take it up with the people at GPS Test.  I just turned it on again and now it says 23.


I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.
 
2013-06-14 03:52:41 PM

Schmegicky: Once on board a plane, a passenger can use a smartphone app to check that their bag is in the hold and alert flight crew if it's not there.

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x425]


Yes, because we all really want our flights to be delayed because one person's luggage for some reason isn't on board. I like the idea of being able to track my luggage but I think we can all agree that this is only a good idea if it won't cause flight delays.
 
2013-06-14 03:53:11 PM

FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?


Noodles.
 
2013-06-14 03:55:42 PM

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.


I wonder if it's including the GLONASS satellites as being "in view" because there really shouldn't ever be 21 GPS satellites above the horizon no matter where you are. And obviously, "in view" doesn't necessarily mean usable just that they're expected to be above the horizon based on the internal GPS receiver's almanac.
 
2013-06-14 03:56:18 PM
I'm flying to WDW next week on Delta, so I'm getting a great kick out of the headling.

/WDW wasn't my choice. Parents are paying for a big family vacation, soooo.
 
2013-06-14 03:57:39 PM

Jument: Yes, because we all really want our flights to be delayed because one person's luggage for some reason isn't on board. I like the idea of being able to track my luggage but I think we can all agree that this is only a good idea if it won't cause flight delays.


Rather, we all like the idea of one idiot loudly arguing with the flight crew that their bag isn't on the plane "according to my phone!" Because I know no flight attendant is ever going actually hold a plane for that.

Heck, your bag probably gets a good GPS lock while sitting out on the tarmac and then loses it when it goes in the plane, so you'll wind up with a whole plane of people whose bags appear to be somewhere else.
 
2013-06-14 03:59:02 PM
www.freeimagehosting.net
 
2013-06-14 03:59:49 PM

dukeblue219: Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.

I wonder if it's including the GLONASS satellites as being "in view" because there really shouldn't ever be 21 GPS satellites above the horizon no matter where you are. And obviously, "in view" doesn't necessarily mean usable just that they're expected to be above the horizon based on the internal GPS receiver's almanac.


I think you may be right.  I know my iPhone4s supports GLONASS.
 
2013-06-14 04:03:01 PM

seadoo2006: While reading this, I thought:

1) Your luggage gets lost enough that you need this? You poor bastards ...
2) People still check baggage that is lost enough to warrant this? You poor bastards ...
3) THIS is the solution? You poor bastards ...

I've flown 8-10x a year for the last 10 years of my life and I have never had a bag lost or something stolen out of it.

You poor bastards.


I suspect there are measurable differences between airports and routes.  I've had my bags go missing or arrive destroyed frequently enough that I just don't check luggage anymore, with rare exceptions for a nonessential large item.  Anything that is *required* for a trip is coming on the plane with me.  Not that this really takes much-- I just did a week-long trip with nothing but a messenger bag.  People seriously overpack most of the time.
 
2013-06-14 04:04:13 PM

Walker: They need a hidden camera in them to film the baggage handlersTSA stealing your stuff.


FTFY.
 
2013-06-14 04:09:44 PM
I surprised it took this long to come up with it.

Its why I'll be doing the carry-on roller bag next week to travel to a conference. Can't present in yoga pants.

Or can I? ;)
 
2013-06-14 04:17:42 PM
GPS receivers are one of the things banned from use throughout the whole flight, so how is GPS enabled luggage going to be okay to use?
 
2013-06-14 04:19:23 PM

MindStalker: Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!


It's happened to me more than once.  The airline puts the bag on the earlier flight that still had luggage space.  I still had to ride the later plane that actually had a seat.

Walker: Well it wasn't THAT small a plane. Was a CRJ-700. 66 seats. IAD to San Antonio. Someone even came on the plane and asked people to give up their seats, even though the plane had tons of empty seats. We thought that was weird, since they didn't mention they were doing it to lighten the load. I especially wasn't pleased since my suitcase was the tiny kind you can fit in the overhead bin. While I was waiting for mine huge suitcases were appearing on the baggage carousel. Wonder how they decide who's gets removed.


It happens.  Around here it's been known to happen even on the big birds.  Planes fly by indicated air speed but planes take off and land by ground speed.  The warmer it is the thinner the air and thus the lower the indicated speed for any given ground speed.  The roll gets longer.  Eventually the roll gets too long and they have to lighten the load to bring it back down.

Thus you get passengers removed from the plane due to weather when they're looking out at a bright, sunny day.  (And this will be treated as a weather event--no compensation.)

devildog123: Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

I'm a pilot. With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.


Nothing?  What were you 7,000' above in the first place?  That thing down there is what was blocking the rest of the constellation.

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.


GPS is completely useless unless you have at least 3 satellites in use and that's only useful if you can supply one coordinate of your location already (ie, a ship at sea.  The z coordinate is the height above the water of the antenna.)  Normal use requires 4 satellites as you are solving for 4 unknowns (latitude, longitude, altitude and time.)
 
2013-06-14 04:22:44 PM

Maud Dib: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Tequila does not contain a worm, it is mescal.The worm is known as gusano del maguey.


See? I come here for a reason.
 
2013-06-14 04:33:59 PM
But won't having an electronic device with an antenna that's not turned off cause the plane to crash?

/that's what they tell me
 
2013-06-14 04:46:34 PM

megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.


A friend made a short trip to Los Angeles and back (from San Francisco).  On the return flight, his luggage made a side trip to China.   How the fark does domestic luggage end up in China?
 
2013-06-14 04:46:47 PM

megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.


I signed my luggage up for AAdvantage on American Airlines. I figure if its going to travel around the country without me, it might as well earn some free trips.
 
2013-06-14 04:47:20 PM

megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.


Wait.  I thought you wanted the worm!?  Now I'm confused.
 
2013-06-14 05:12:29 PM

dukeblue219: Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location.


Getting location information back from this tag will also require wifi or cell assistance, so that shouldn't really be a problem.
 
2013-06-14 05:48:56 PM

OgreMagi: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Wait.  I thought you wanted the worm!?  Now I'm confused.


*shrug* I was in the caveman thread too long and now I no idea what's real.
 
2013-06-14 06:03:30 PM
DELTA (Acronymn) : Don't Expect Luggage To Arrive.
 
2013-06-14 06:11:22 PM
What happens when too many GPSs are in one building at the same time...

/I'm actually thinking of that place in Alabama where they auction off 'lost' luggage
 
2013-06-14 06:25:29 PM
I notice there isn't any kind of price estimate.  That usually means "If you have to ask, you can't afford it".
 
2013-06-14 06:38:12 PM

Loren: MindStalker: Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!

It's happened to me more than once.  The airline puts the bag on the earlier flight that still had luggage space.  I still had to ride the later plane that actually had a seat.

Walker: Well it wasn't THAT small a plane. Was a CRJ-700. 66 seats. IAD to San Antonio. Someone even came on the plane and asked people to give up their seats, even though the plane had tons of empty seats. We thought that was weird, since they didn't mention they were doing it to lighten the load. I especially wasn't pleased since my suitcase was the tiny kind you can fit in the overhead bin. While I was waiting for mine huge suitcases were appearing on the baggage carousel. Wonder how they decide who's gets removed.

It happens.  Around here it's been known to happen even on the big birds.  Planes fly by indicated air speed but planes take off and land by ground speed.  The warmer it is the thinner the air and thus the lower the indicated speed for any given ground speed.  The roll gets longer.  Eventually the roll gets too long and they have to lighten the load to bring it back down.

Thus you get passengers removed from the plane due to weather when they're looking out at a bright, sunny day.  (And this will be treated as a weather event--no compensation.)

devildog123: Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

I'm a pilot. With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.

Nothing?  What were you 7,000' above in the first place?  That thing down there is what was blocking the rest of the constellation.

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.

GPS is completely useless unless you have at least 3 satellites in use and that's only useful if you can supply one coordinate of your location already (ie, a ship at sea.  The z coordinate is the height above the water of the antenna.)  Normal use requires 4 satellites as you are solving for 4 unknowns (latitude, longitude, altitude and time.)


I'm not sure how gps works, range or angle, but if its range(checking the distances in time signal to determine relative distance) and you knew you were on the ground and roughly where you were, the because the potential location of yourself would roughly be a circle from two of the satelites, couldn't you narrow down your location to just two fairly separate points? Again, assuming you were on the ground and had a good DEM.
 
2013-06-14 06:39:49 PM
Erm, differences in timesignal
/ftfm
//on phone, sorry about the moster quote
 
2013-06-14 06:41:12 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say most lost luggage is actually airport employees helping themselves to your shiat, so this invention will allow you to find your empty bag in a dumpster somewhere.
 
2013-06-14 06:41:47 PM
Was once going from Fresno CA to Portland ME and my luggage ended up in Frankfurt Germany. As this was just after 9/11, and luggage without passengers was pretty frowned upon.... I looked passed the thorough tossing and was thankfull they didn't blow it up.
 
2013-06-14 06:44:21 PM

Ivo Shandor: Born_Again_Bavarian: . I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course

GPS devices have an almanac telling them approximately where the satellites are going to be in the sky at any given time. You can see that map regardless of whether or not you're receiving a signal from any of the satellites.


This is why I love Fark! I learn something new every day here.

Still don't get the fat dog thing. I missed the beginnings somehow.
 
2013-06-14 07:30:50 PM

imgod2u: That's not ideal but it's a small enough search radius to know your strap on didn't end up in Kansas.


+1

/carry on...
 
2013-06-14 08:17:05 PM

JuggleGeek: I notice there isn't any kind of price estimate.  That usually means "If you have to ask, you can't afford it".



Man, I havent had a good ZJ in awhile..
 
2013-06-14 08:27:25 PM

threadjackistan: I'm not sure how gps works, range or angle, but if its range(checking the distances in time signal to determine relative distance) and you knew you were on the ground and roughly where you were, the because the potential location of yourself would roughly be a circle from two of the satelites, couldn't you narrow down your location to just two fairly separate points? Again, assuming you were on the ground and had a good DEM.


You're looking at it in a 2D world--that's what you would get if you had two lighthouses honking by a clock and listened to how far away each of them were.  A ship knows the Z and the second point is going to be inland, you have a solution.

However, GPS has to work in a 3D world.  I believe that when you are a variable short in solving such a system of equations you get a line.  That's not going to be too useful.

There's also another problem here--listening to that lighthouse means you must be carrying a clock.  It honked at :00 and you heard it at :04, you knew you were 4 sound-seconds from that lighthouse.  Any *good* clock will suffice as a millisecond error is only about 1 foot.

With GPS, however, the signals are traveling near lightspeed.  (It would be at lightspeed if there were no atmosphere.  The difference matters.)  A millisecond error is 186 miles.  Even a microsecond error is still a thousand feet.  Thus civilian GPS requires an accuracy of say 20 nanoseconds.  Think you can pack a clock of that accuracy in your receiver?  And keep it accurate even when your batteries run out?

Since knowing the time isn't an option you have to calculate it.  We now have four unknowns and that requires four values to figure it out.  Thus you must have a lock on four satellites.  My geometry is rusty but I think one variable short in this case defines a curved surface, not merely a line.  Even less useless than the line.

Note, also, that even with the 4 satellites you still have two possible solutions.  You choose the one on the planet, the other somewhere up near geosync orbit.

Ivo Shandor: GPS devices have an almanac telling them approximately where the satellites are going to be in the sky at any given time. You can see that map regardless of whether or not you're receiving a signal from any of the satellites.


Just a FYI on this--knowing approximately where you are greatly cuts down on the computation needed to lock onto the satellites.
 
Xoc
2013-06-14 08:28:11 PM
How about a quiz: How many people have actually lost a bag and never had it returned to them? I'm sure it's a very small number. In a million miles of flying, I've had bags not make the flight with me, usually because of tight connections. Once or twice it's taken a day or two to catch up with me. But I've never had one permanently lost.
 
2013-06-14 08:29:46 PM
So if they can track it, this is not passive GPS the bag is transmitting.  Won't the FAA have something to say about that?  Especially with cargo holds of planes full of little boxes transmitting their locations all the time?  What is the luggage transmitting to? cell tower?  satellite?  Will you need a cellphone plan for your luggage?  Also, how long does the battery life last?  Is it rechargeable?
 
2013-06-14 08:32:42 PM
Until this year, I've flown a few times a year for decades and never had a bag lost.

/go ahead, hate me now
 
2013-06-14 09:41:20 PM

imgod2u: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck

To get a lock with a ~5 ft radius, yes. But even indoors you can get enough signal to put you within a 100ft or so radius. That's not ideal but it's a small enough search radius to know your strap on didn't end up in Kansas.


No, just some can/ass
 
2013-06-14 09:43:44 PM
FTFA:Once on board a plane, a passenger can use a smartphone app to check that their bag is in the hold and alert flight crew if it's not there.

So, what the hell is the SkyNanny going to do about it while in flight?  They can't call operations, and they're not going to ask the pilots to contact baggage handlers through their company's radio.  All this will do is increase your anxiety on your flight knowing you're hurtling in a metal tube for hours knowing your bag isn't in the cargo hold and you know it's going to be a long night for you.


FTFA: At the same time, the passenger can keep track of the bag with the help of a mobile phone application.

Again, tits on a bull.  Congratulations, you now know you're in New York and your bag is in Tokyo.  So what?  It's not going to help get the bag faster, you're at the complete mercy of the airlines.


FTFA:The app has a number of functions, including alerting a passenger if somebody tries to tamper with the bag.

Hey Delta, one of your baggage handlers opened up my bag.
Delta: Nuh uh, it was the TSA.
TSA: Yeah, so?

Frequent fliers seldom check bags, and I doubt someone who flies once every couple of years is going to spend beaucoup bucks for this.
 
2013-06-14 10:10:22 PM

threadjackistan: Loren: MindStalker: Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!

It's happened to me more than once.  The airline puts the bag on the earlier flight that still had luggage space.  I still had to ride the later plane that actually had a seat.

Walker: Well it wasn't THAT small a plane. Was a CRJ-700. 66 seats. IAD to San Antonio. Someone even came on the plane and asked people to give up their seats, even though the plane had tons of empty seats. We thought that was weird, since they didn't mention they were doing it to lighten the load. I especially wasn't pleased since my suitcase was the tiny kind you can fit in the overhead bin. While I was waiting for mine huge suitcases were appearing on the baggage carousel. Wonder how they decide who's gets removed.

It happens.  Around here it's been known to happen even on the big birds.  Planes fly by indicated air speed but planes take off and land by ground speed.  The warmer it is the thinner the air and thus the lower the indicated speed for any given ground speed.  The roll gets longer.  Eventually the roll gets too long and they have to lighten the load to bring it back down.

Thus you get passengers removed from the plane due to weather when they're looking out at a bright, sunny day.  (And this will be treated as a weather event--no compensation.)

devildog123: Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

I'm a pilot. With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.

Nothing?  What were you 7,000' above in the first place?  That thing down there is what was blocking the rest of the constellation.

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.

GPS is completely useless unless you have at least 3 satellites in use and that's only useful if you can supply one coordinate of your location already (ie, a ship at sea.  The z coordinate is the height above the water of the antenna.)  Normal use requires 4 satellites as you are solving for 4 unknowns (latitude, longitude, altitude and time.)

I'm not sure how gps works, range or angle, but if its range(checking the distances in time signal to determine relative distance) and you knew you were on the ground and roughly where you were, the because the potential location of yourself would roughly be a circle from two of the satelites, couldn't you narrow down your location to just two fairly separate points? Again, assuming you were on the ground and had a good DEM.


Funny you should ask! I do know.

It's based on a complex transform. Every few milleseconds the satellite burps out "hey, the time is T and I am at X,Y,Z".

Because we know the speed of light, and the effects of both special and general relativity on time dilation, with 4 packets from 4 different satellites you can extrapolate the T, X, Y, Z for your own location.

The tricky part is keeping the time on all of the satellites in sync with the ground. They are traveling at a high rate of speed wrt the ground, which slows time down. At the same time they are in a lower density region of the Earth's gravitational field, which speeds time up.

And the final figure needed to tweak the atomic clocks in orbit confirmed Einstein's predictions perfectly, btw
 
2013-06-14 10:21:43 PM
Alaska has never lost my bags, per se... but my golf clubs did make an unexpected overnight stay in Kalispell, MT once. No idea why the hell they sent them there when I was flying from Palm Springs to Seattle to Moscow, ID, but eh. Got a free upgrade on my next flight and we made them throw the clubs in a taxi and bring them to our house so we didn't have to drive back down to SeaTac, attempt to find a spot, and figure out where they were in the airport. I'll always pick an Alaska flight over any other carrier, even if it is a bit more expensive.

AND, if you fly Horizon (their subsidiary for smaller markets), they still serve free beer and wine! Nothing like someone offering you beer on your 9am flight.
 
2013-06-14 10:28:37 PM

Urinal Cake Mix: Alaska has never lost my bags, per se... but my golf clubs did make an unexpected overnight stay in Kalispell, MT once. No idea why the hell they sent them there when I was flying from Palm Springs to Seattle to Moscow, ID, but eh. Got a free upgrade on my next flight and we made them throw the clubs in a taxi and bring them to our house so we didn't have to drive back down to SeaTac, attempt to find a spot, and figure out where they were in the airport. I'll always pick an Alaska flight over any other carrier, even if it is a bit more expensive.

AND, if you fly Horizon (their subsidiary for smaller markets), they still serve free beer and wine! Nothing like someone offering you beer on your 9am flight.


And by SeaTac, I meant the great Pullman-Moscow airport. Derp.
 
2013-06-14 10:57:32 PM
American Airlines is so bad, they lost my carry-on
 
2013-06-14 11:32:35 PM

StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not 100% correct, We now able to get good data from reflections in buildings and with some server bases assisted GPS
even the broken up time codes are useful
 
2013-06-15 12:10:58 AM

limeyfellow: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

So if they lose our luggage we get to crucify them? I'm OK with this.


Holy shiat, THIS.  Air Canada.  On a regular basis.  It's to the point I'll leave at 6-farking-30 in the morning on WestJet to avoid the Air Canada flight that leaves at 10:00.  I'd gladly play Pontius Pilate to limeyfellow's Caiaphas.
 
2013-06-15 12:38:02 AM

Befuddled: GPS receivers are one of the things banned from use throughout the whole flight, so how is GPS enabled luggage going to be okay to use?


Why would a receiver of any sort be banned on a flight? It's the transmissions that people worried about. A receiver is just picking up a signal that is already present.
 
2013-06-15 05:57:07 AM
I know I am way late to this thread but I had to catch up on sleep... here is my solution to lost baggage:

www.etsu.edu
 
2013-06-15 08:56:41 AM

megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.


Well what did you expect? You infuse underwear with 2 liters of tequila, the handler puts said underwear on head and before long can't tell where your luggage is supposed to go.  You have to take SOME responsibility here.
 
2013-06-15 05:42:43 PM
Technology. First it ruins prank phone calls and now this.
 
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