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2013-06-14 03:17:40 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.


There is no possible way to see 21 GPS satellites at once. The absolute max is around 15 for VERY rare occasions in very specific locations. If you can't "connect" to any of them (there's really no connection, just reception) then it sounds like your phone isn't getting any signal at all, which is StopLurkListen's point.

Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location. Get a GPS-only receiver or put your phone on airplane mode and repeat the experiment, especially in a room with no south-facing windows.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:51 PM  

genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Nice choice of words.


Well, I guess with tequila it's especially relevant.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:48 PM  

megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Nice choice of words.

Well, I guess with tequila it's especially relevant.


I stopped drinking tequila when I realized it made me wake up next to ugly people.
 
2013-06-14 03:20:52 PM  

megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.


Tequila does not contain a worm, it is mescal.The worm is known as gusano del maguey.

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2013-06-14 03:22:42 PM  

genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Nice choice of words.

Well, I guess with tequila it's especially relevant.

I stopped drinking tequila when I realized it made me wake up next to ugly people.


I drink only vodka, yet I still find myself awakening in a bed where an ugly person is laying.

/I always sleep alone.
//Forever alone.
 
2013-06-14 03:26:33 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.


I'm a pilot.  With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.
 
2013-06-14 03:27:22 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: . I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course


GPS devices have an almanac telling them approximately where the satellites are going to be in the sky at any given time. You can see that map regardless of whether or not you're receiving a signal from any of the satellites.
 
2013-06-14 03:30:07 PM  

dukeblue219: Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

There is no possible way to see 21 GPS satellites at once. The absolute max is around 15 for VERY rare occasions in very specific locations. If you can't "connect" to any of them (there's really no connection, just reception) then it sounds like your phone isn't getting any signal at all, which is StopLurkListen's point.

Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location. Get a GPS-only receiver or put your phone on airplane mode and repeat the experiment, especially in a room with no south-facing windows.


Take it up with the people at GPS Test.  I just turned it on again and now it says 23.
 
2013-06-14 03:30:21 PM  
Good luck, I'm connected to 21 GPS satellites
 
2013-06-14 03:33:07 PM  
Maybe the airlines and airports should put a bunch of these into circulation so they can figure out why luggage is getting mis-routed and where it is ending up. And who is stealing it.
 
2013-06-14 03:33:29 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: Take it up with the people at GPS Test.  I just turned it on again and now it says 23.


Any chance you feel the urge and have the spare time to take a screen shot and post it? I believe you, but it's physically impossible so there's something wrong with the app or it's not explaining the data very well.
 
2013-06-14 03:35:01 PM  
You'd still have to deal with the dipshiat airline workers who couldn't care less that your bag is lost. Meh.
 
2013-06-14 03:35:46 PM  
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2013-06-14 03:36:44 PM  
GPS Test says I'm in the building next door.
 
2013-06-14 03:37:05 PM  

Hagbardr: I had US Air lose my luggage twice in the same weekend.


I had them lose it between the aircraft and the terminal. No kidding.
 
2013-06-14 03:37:21 PM  

seadoo2006: While reading this, I thought:

1) Your luggage gets lost enough that you need this? You poor bastards ...
2) People still check baggage that is lost enough to warrant this? You poor bastards ...
3) THIS is the solution? You poor bastards ...

I've flown 8-10x a year for the last 10 years of my life and I have never had a bag lost or something stolen out of it.

You poor bastards.


the closest i've ever come to losing luggage was when somebody at the baggage claim at JFK coincidentally had the same exact backpack as mine (hiking backpack that hasn't been made in a decade)... they even had their straps tied the same way as mine, and also used one of those pieces of paper airports provide for luggage ID (eventually got the right bag back)
 
2013-06-14 03:38:21 PM  
Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

 
2013-06-14 03:38:31 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: If I can't take a trip and survive with just my carryon, I ain't going. I can survive a week, easy, with just a carryon bag and my backpack.

//overseas obviously excepted.


I just did 3.5 weeks on a carry one and a backpack.  What do you need?  computer.  toiletries,  kindle.  That's not much.  Then:

7 pairs of under armour underwear which roll up tightly.  No socks needed (central america).  One pair of jeans, two pairs of shorts.  7 shirts.  1 bathing suit.

Wash dirty clothes in the shower once per week.

That's not much space required at all.
 
2013-06-14 03:38:54 PM  
GPS Test said the call was coming from inside the house!
 
2013-06-14 03:40:41 PM  

nytmare: Maybe the airlines and airports should put a bunch of these into circulation so they can figure out why luggage is getting mis-routed and where it is ending up. And who is stealing it.


Indeed.
 
2013-06-14 03:41:38 PM  
Once on board a plane, a passenger can use a smartphone app to check that their bag is in the hold and alert flight crew if it's not there.

farm7.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-14 03:43:52 PM  

iheartscotch: FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?

Besides the aqueduct?


that movie 'Caligula' was damn entertaining.
 
2013-06-14 03:45:53 PM  

Born_Again_Bavarian: dukeblue219: Born_Again_Bavarian: StopLurkListen: GPS needs a line-of-sight to the satellite, so unless they drop your luggage off in a field ... good luck


Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

There is no possible way to see 21 GPS satellites at once. The absolute max is around 15 for VERY rare occasions in very specific locations. If you can't "connect" to any of them (there's really no connection, just reception) then it sounds like your phone isn't getting any signal at all, which is StopLurkListen's point.

Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location. Get a GPS-only receiver or put your phone on airplane mode and repeat the experiment, especially in a room with no south-facing windows.

Take it up with the people at GPS Test.  I just turned it on again and now it says 23.


I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.
 
2013-06-14 03:52:41 PM  

Schmegicky: Once on board a plane, a passenger can use a smartphone app to check that their bag is in the hold and alert flight crew if it's not there.

[farm7.staticflickr.com image 640x425]


Yes, because we all really want our flights to be delayed because one person's luggage for some reason isn't on board. I like the idea of being able to track my luggage but I think we can all agree that this is only a good idea if it won't cause flight delays.
 
2013-06-14 03:53:11 PM  

FrancoFile: YoOjo: Civilization is getting worse!! I don't remember the ancient Romans having this problem.

What have the Romans ever done for us, anyways?


Noodles.
 
2013-06-14 03:55:42 PM  

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.


I wonder if it's including the GLONASS satellites as being "in view" because there really shouldn't ever be 21 GPS satellites above the horizon no matter where you are. And obviously, "in view" doesn't necessarily mean usable just that they're expected to be above the horizon based on the internal GPS receiver's almanac.
 
2013-06-14 03:56:18 PM  
I'm flying to WDW next week on Delta, so I'm getting a great kick out of the headling.

/WDW wasn't my choice. Parents are paying for a big family vacation, soooo.
 
2013-06-14 03:57:39 PM  

Jument: Yes, because we all really want our flights to be delayed because one person's luggage for some reason isn't on board. I like the idea of being able to track my luggage but I think we can all agree that this is only a good idea if it won't cause flight delays.


Rather, we all like the idea of one idiot loudly arguing with the flight crew that their bag isn't on the plane "according to my phone!" Because I know no flight attendant is ever going actually hold a plane for that.

Heck, your bag probably gets a good GPS lock while sitting out on the tarmac and then loses it when it goes in the plane, so you'll wind up with a whole plane of people whose bags appear to be somewhere else.
 
2013-06-14 03:59:02 PM  
www.freeimagehosting.net
 
2013-06-14 03:59:49 PM  

dukeblue219: Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.

I wonder if it's including the GLONASS satellites as being "in view" because there really shouldn't ever be 21 GPS satellites above the horizon no matter where you are. And obviously, "in view" doesn't necessarily mean usable just that they're expected to be above the horizon based on the internal GPS receiver's almanac.


I think you may be right.  I know my iPhone4s supports GLONASS.
 
2013-06-14 04:03:01 PM  

seadoo2006: While reading this, I thought:

1) Your luggage gets lost enough that you need this? You poor bastards ...
2) People still check baggage that is lost enough to warrant this? You poor bastards ...
3) THIS is the solution? You poor bastards ...

I've flown 8-10x a year for the last 10 years of my life and I have never had a bag lost or something stolen out of it.

You poor bastards.


I suspect there are measurable differences between airports and routes.  I've had my bags go missing or arrive destroyed frequently enough that I just don't check luggage anymore, with rare exceptions for a nonessential large item.  Anything that is *required* for a trip is coming on the plane with me.  Not that this really takes much-- I just did a week-long trip with nothing but a messenger bag.  People seriously overpack most of the time.
 
2013-06-14 04:04:13 PM  

Walker: They need a hidden camera in them to film the baggage handlersTSA stealing your stuff.


FTFY.
 
2013-06-14 04:09:44 PM  
I surprised it took this long to come up with it.

Its why I'll be doing the carry-on roller bag next week to travel to a conference. Can't present in yoga pants.

Or can I? ;)
 
2013-06-14 04:17:42 PM  
GPS receivers are one of the things banned from use throughout the whole flight, so how is GPS enabled luggage going to be okay to use?
 
2013-06-14 04:19:23 PM  

MindStalker: Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!


It's happened to me more than once.  The airline puts the bag on the earlier flight that still had luggage space.  I still had to ride the later plane that actually had a seat.

Walker: Well it wasn't THAT small a plane. Was a CRJ-700. 66 seats. IAD to San Antonio. Someone even came on the plane and asked people to give up their seats, even though the plane had tons of empty seats. We thought that was weird, since they didn't mention they were doing it to lighten the load. I especially wasn't pleased since my suitcase was the tiny kind you can fit in the overhead bin. While I was waiting for mine huge suitcases were appearing on the baggage carousel. Wonder how they decide who's gets removed.


It happens.  Around here it's been known to happen even on the big birds.  Planes fly by indicated air speed but planes take off and land by ground speed.  The warmer it is the thinner the air and thus the lower the indicated speed for any given ground speed.  The roll gets longer.  Eventually the roll gets too long and they have to lighten the load to bring it back down.

Thus you get passengers removed from the plane due to weather when they're looking out at a bright, sunny day.  (And this will be treated as a weather event--no compensation.)

devildog123: Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

I'm a pilot. With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.


Nothing?  What were you 7,000' above in the first place?  That thing down there is what was blocking the rest of the constellation.

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.


GPS is completely useless unless you have at least 3 satellites in use and that's only useful if you can supply one coordinate of your location already (ie, a ship at sea.  The z coordinate is the height above the water of the antenna.)  Normal use requires 4 satellites as you are solving for 4 unknowns (latitude, longitude, altitude and time.)
 
2013-06-14 04:22:44 PM  

Maud Dib: megarian: genepool lifeboat: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Your underwear has worms?

Depends on the Tequila.

Tequila does not contain a worm, it is mescal.The worm is known as gusano del maguey.


See? I come here for a reason.
 
2013-06-14 04:33:59 PM  
But won't having an electronic device with an antenna that's not turned off cause the plane to crash?

/that's what they tell me
 
2013-06-14 04:46:34 PM  

megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.


A friend made a short trip to Los Angeles and back (from San Francisco).  On the return flight, his luggage made a side trip to China.   How the fark does domestic luggage end up in China?
 
2013-06-14 04:46:47 PM  

megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.


I signed my luggage up for AAdvantage on American Airlines. I figure if its going to travel around the country without me, it might as well earn some free trips.
 
2013-06-14 04:47:20 PM  

megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.


Wait.  I thought you wanted the worm!?  Now I'm confused.
 
2013-06-14 05:12:29 PM  

dukeblue219: Getting a true GPS signal from inside luggage that's inside a large building or airplane is going to be virtually impossible. Those of you reporting a rough location while indoors are likely seeing a wifi- or cell-assisted location.


Getting location information back from this tag will also require wifi or cell assistance, so that shouldn't really be a problem.
 
2013-06-14 05:48:56 PM  

OgreMagi: megarian: UrukHaiGuyz: megarian: Some luggage guy in Mexico City stole 2 liters of tequila and underwear from my bag. They proceeded to ship my bag to Maui.

So my luggage has been to Maui and I haven't. Assholes.

That's what you get for infusing tequila with underwear, ya weirdo.

Don't knock it 'til you try it. Now, if you don't remove the worm...yeah, that's weird.

Wait.  I thought you wanted the worm!?  Now I'm confused.


*shrug* I was in the caveman thread too long and now I no idea what's real.
 
2013-06-14 06:03:30 PM  
DELTA (Acronymn) : Don't Expect Luggage To Arrive.
 
2013-06-14 06:11:22 PM  
What happens when too many GPSs are in one building at the same time...

/I'm actually thinking of that place in Alabama where they auction off 'lost' luggage
 
2013-06-14 06:25:29 PM  
I notice there isn't any kind of price estimate.  That usually means "If you have to ask, you can't afford it".
 
2013-06-14 06:38:12 PM  

Loren: MindStalker: Airlines will sometimes purposefully put your luggage on a different flight than you are (its rare, but it happens), as long as its going to arrive before/when you get to your destination. I'd hate to be the airline that did this only to hear the passenger yell and scream that they put their luggage on the wrong flight!!!

It's happened to me more than once.  The airline puts the bag on the earlier flight that still had luggage space.  I still had to ride the later plane that actually had a seat.

Walker: Well it wasn't THAT small a plane. Was a CRJ-700. 66 seats. IAD to San Antonio. Someone even came on the plane and asked people to give up their seats, even though the plane had tons of empty seats. We thought that was weird, since they didn't mention they were doing it to lighten the load. I especially wasn't pleased since my suitcase was the tiny kind you can fit in the overhead bin. While I was waiting for mine huge suitcases were appearing on the baggage carousel. Wonder how they decide who's gets removed.

It happens.  Around here it's been known to happen even on the big birds.  Planes fly by indicated air speed but planes take off and land by ground speed.  The warmer it is the thinner the air and thus the lower the indicated speed for any given ground speed.  The roll gets longer.  Eventually the roll gets too long and they have to lighten the load to bring it back down.

Thus you get passengers removed from the plane due to weather when they're looking out at a bright, sunny day.  (And this will be treated as a weather event--no compensation.)

devildog123: Not necessarily. I sit on the 1st floor of a 3 story building. There are at least 3 walls between me and outside. I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course but then I don't have any kind of antenna nor is my phone a GPS device first.

I'm a pilot. With a GPS in a Cessna at 7,000 feet, with nothing to obstruct at all, I can't get that many satellites to lock on.

Nothing?  What were you 7,000' above in the first place?  That thing down there is what was blocking the rest of the constellation.

Walker: I just downloaded the app and fired it up. It says 21 in view and 2 in use. Wait, 19 in view 5 in use, now 4, this thing changes a lot. It's almost like the Earth is spinning or something.

GPS is completely useless unless you have at least 3 satellites in use and that's only useful if you can supply one coordinate of your location already (ie, a ship at sea.  The z coordinate is the height above the water of the antenna.)  Normal use requires 4 satellites as you are solving for 4 unknowns (latitude, longitude, altitude and time.)


I'm not sure how gps works, range or angle, but if its range(checking the distances in time signal to determine relative distance) and you knew you were on the ground and roughly where you were, the because the potential location of yourself would roughly be a circle from two of the satelites, couldn't you narrow down your location to just two fairly separate points? Again, assuming you were on the ground and had a good DEM.
 
2013-06-14 06:39:49 PM  
Erm, differences in timesignal
/ftfm
//on phone, sorry about the moster quote
 
2013-06-14 06:41:12 PM  
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say most lost luggage is actually airport employees helping themselves to your shiat, so this invention will allow you to find your empty bag in a dumpster somewhere.
 
2013-06-14 06:41:47 PM  
Was once going from Fresno CA to Portland ME and my luggage ended up in Frankfurt Germany. As this was just after 9/11, and luggage without passengers was pretty frowned upon.... I looked passed the thorough tossing and was thankfull they didn't blow it up.
 
2013-06-14 06:44:21 PM  

Ivo Shandor: Born_Again_Bavarian: . I put my phone in Airplane mode, turned on the GPS and fired up my GPS tester. I can see 21 satellites.

I can't connect to any, of course

GPS devices have an almanac telling them approximately where the satellites are going to be in the sky at any given time. You can see that map regardless of whether or not you're receiving a signal from any of the satellites.


This is why I love Fark! I learn something new every day here.

Still don't get the fat dog thing. I missed the beginnings somehow.
 
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