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2013-06-14 03:53:44 PM
InmanRoshi
Warlords are just the most "bootstrappy".

TRORG RUN FOR WARLORD BUT LOSE IN RUNOFF RACE TO BARG FROM WOLF CAVE. NEXT TIME WE USE BALLOTS, NOT CLIFF.
 
2013-06-14 03:53:56 PM
I never thought I'd say this in a politics thread, but.....  I love you.
 
2013-06-14 03:55:54 PM

plcow: Libertarianism does exist.

1)  It exists at the upper echelon of the wealthy.  No matter what country they come from, Sweden, China, USA, Mexico, they all compete generally "outside of the control of any specific government."

2) It exists at a level below the government's reach (remember we are talking about rules other than the ones preventing hurting other people etc).  There are people living day to day without any concern for the government all over the world, including the US.  You can shop for many goods on the black market, or maybe sometimes pay a little sales tax in some places, but that is about it.  (Think about illegal immigrants in this sense)

Point is, that it is really only the middle class that is trapped by, gets the benefits of, and supports a government.  Everybody else could give a flying f*ck.

The real issue that nobody ever seams to talk about (maybe because it is defeatist) is that there are generally two types of people (based on raw human nature) 1) those that will always seeks out and use power to their advantage, and 2) those that don't have power, either through choice or poor circumstances.

Second, there will always be a consolidation of power towards the first group.  It doesn't matter if it is via corporations in a purely capitalist society or the legislature in a socialist society.  Powerful people will take over the most powerful positions and use them to their own benefit.  Libertarianism is the only ideal that at least attempts to give the power back to every individual, such that it is the individual's fault if it is lost or given up.

And no, Somalia is not a libertarian lifestyle, it is ruled by warlords.  Warlords have the power not the greater population of individuals.  Like I said, there will always be a consolidation of power towards the powerful, even under a libertarianism effort.


ME CROTCH NEVER HEAR HOW LIBERTARIANS MITIGATE POWERFUL GETTING MORE ROCKS AND BECOMING MORE POWERFUL. PRETTY WORDS ARE NICE BUT NEED MEAT BEHIND THEM.

ME CROTCH NO IMPRESSED BY RHETORIC WITH NO PLAN TO STOP SNAKE TRADER THAK FROM GETTING ALL OF TRIBE'S ROCKS AND HOLDING TRIBE TRADE HOSTAGE UNTIL WE ALL DO WHAT SNAKE TRADER THAK SAYS
 
2013-06-14 03:55:59 PM

iawai: gameshowhost: iawai: gameshowhost: Z-clipped: iawai: TONDA SILLY IF TONDA THINK BIG CAVE MAKE FAIR RULES.

IMPERFECT BIG CAVE RULES BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE THAN NO RULES AT ALL
TONDA CAN FIX RULES.  TONDA NO FIX NO RULES

TONDA™ WENT GOT NAME TRADEROCKED. YOU OWE TONDA™  SHINY ROCK IF YOU SAY TONDA™ AGAIN WITHOUT PERMISSION.

TONDA TYPICAL BIG CAVE ROCK SEEKER.

NOW NEEK OWE TONDA SHINY ROCKS FOR USING NAME. TONDA LAUGH BECAUSE NEEK ALWAYS BACK BIG CAVE REPRESENTATIVE WHO LET TONDA TRADEROCK. NEEK MADE OWN BEDROCK AND SHOULD LIE IN IT.

TONDA WRONG ABOUT NEEK. NEEK ALWAYS AGAINST PATENT AND TRADEROCK. FIRE AND WHEEL DO BETTER FOR CAVEMEN IF NOT RESTRICTED BY BIG CAVE TO ONE CAVEMAN.


TONDA WONDER WHY NEEK NOT SUPPORT CAVEDWELLER CLOSER TO NEEK PHILOSOPHY, LIKE BERNIE SANDERSROCK, INSTEAD OF MAMMOTHSCHLONG WHO LAUGH AT NEEK
 
2013-06-14 03:56:25 PM

RobertBruce: You're better off dealing with a business who acts in your interests because competition makes it happen.


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2013-06-14 03:57:52 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ishkur: Holy shiat, 1000 posts.

What's going on in this thread?

/makes coffee

for once a pol tab thread has gone to hell.  In the bestest possibles of ways.

It's made my afternoon much more enjoyable.

/It's almost like even we here on the pol tab can't take any more derp this week


Frankly, the last few months have been insane with the number of derptastic headlines.
 
2013-06-14 03:58:27 PM

gameshowhost: demaL-demaL-yeH: gameshowhost: Z-clipped: iawai: TONDA SILLY IF TONDA THINK BIG CAVE MAKE FAIR RULES.

IMPERFECT BIG CAVE RULES BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE THAN NO RULES AT ALL
TONDA CAN FIX RULES.  TONDA NO FIX NO RULES

TONDA™ WENT GOT NAME TRADEROCKED. YOU OWE TONDA™  SHINY ROCK IF YOU SAY TONDA™ AGAIN WITHOUT PERMISSION.

TONDA NOT UNDERSTAND FAIR USE. TONDA WEARS LOINCLOTH ALL SMASHED TOGETHER AND FULL OF TINY, TINY, TINY RIVER ROCKS.

TONDA HAVE BIG LAW FIRM AND BURY YOU WITH MANY STONE CARVINGS.


TONDA MUST PROVE USE CONFUSED OTHER CAVEPEOPLE.
MUST ALSO PROVE THAT TONDA FOR SALE.

/THIS CAVEMAN NOT SWING THAT WAY. (NOT NO THING WRONG WITH)
//CHOOSE-BETTER-ETCHING CAVEPERSON THROW TONGA CARVINGS OVER CLIFF WHEN SEES
 
2013-06-14 03:59:25 PM

SordidEuphemism: HERE GRUNG PROBLEM
GRUNG ELDERS GO AWAY FOR SOLSTICE
LEFT SHACKLES FOR MAMMOTH UNLOCK
GRUNG NOT THINK THEY MIND
GRUNG TAKE MAMMOTH GO FOR RIDE
SHOW MAMMOTH TO FRIEND IN NEXT CAVE
THINK ABOUT RIDE MAMMOTH AROUND MOUNTAIN
GO RIDE BECAUSE OKAY
SO LISTEN
STOP MAMMOTH NEAR MAMMOTH CROSSING
SEE PRETTY CAVEGIRL
PRETEND TO HAVE TALK WITH SKY WIZARD
MAKE MAMMOTH TRUMPET
PRETTY CAVEGIRL STOP
SHE ASK IF MAMMOTH TRUMPET FOR HER
GRUNG SAY YES
GRUNG ASK HER TO TAKE RIDE ON MAMMOTH
PRETTY CAVEGIRL HAVE DOUBTS BUT GRUNG CONVINCE BECAUSE MAMMOTH NICE
PRETTY CAVEGIRL CLIMB ON
GRUNG AND CAVEGIRL GO GET BRONTOSAURUS RIBS AT MAMMOTH-THRU
CAVEGIRL HUNGRY OTHER WAYS, ASK IF MAMMOTH GO FAST
OF COURSE MAMMOTH GO FAST
WE GO FAST
WE STOPPED BY MAMMOTH WITH FLASHY ROCK HAT
GRUNG FIND OUT CAVEGIRL ACTUAL GIRL, NOT CAVEWOMAN
CAVEMAN WITH FLASHY ROCK ON CHEST-SASH TAKE GRUNG TO SMALL BARRED CAVE
CONTACT TRIBE ELDERS
GRUNG FEAR ABUSE
GRUNG ASK TRIBE ELDERS HOW TRIP
ELDERS NOT HAPPY
ELDERS GIVE GRUNG ABUSE HE FEARS
ELDERS JUST NOT UNDERSTAND


NOW TELL HOW GRUNG BECOME SON-ELDER OF CAVE CALL ROCK-AIR
 
2013-06-14 04:01:06 PM

gameshowhost: iawai: gameshowhost: iawai: gameshowhost: Z-clipped: iawai: TONDA SILLY IF TONDA THINK BIG CAVE MAKE FAIR RULES.

IMPERFECT BIG CAVE RULES BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE THAN NO RULES AT ALL
TONDA CAN FIX RULES.  TONDA NO FIX NO RULES

TONDA™ WENT GOT NAME TRADEROCKED. YOU OWE TONDA™  SHINY ROCK IF YOU SAY TONDA™ AGAIN WITHOUT PERMISSION.

TONDA TYPICAL BIG CAVE ROCK SEEKER.

NOW NEEK OWE TONDA SHINY ROCKS FOR USING NAME. TONDA LAUGH BECAUSE NEEK ALWAYS BACK BIG CAVE REPRESENTATIVE WHO LET TONDA TRADEROCK. NEEK MADE OWN BEDROCK AND SHOULD LIE IN IT.

TONDA WRONG ABOUT NEEK. NEEK ALWAYS AGAINST PATENT AND TRADEROCK. FIRE AND WHEEL DO BETTER FOR CAVEMEN IF NOT RESTRICTED BY BIG CAVE TO ONE CAVEMAN.

TONDA WONDER WHY NEEK NOT SUPPORT CAVEDWELLER CLOSER TO NEEK PHILOSOPHY, LIKE BERNIE SANDERSROCK, INSTEAD OF MAMMOTHSCHLONG WHO LAUGH AT NEEK


NEEK CARE ABOUT EACH CAVEMAN. SANDERSROCK CAN ONLY ABOUT GROUP OF CAVEMEN. NEEK NOT SURE WHO  MAMMOTHSCHLONG IS, BUT IS SURE NEEK NO SUPPORT.
 
2013-06-14 04:01:11 PM

iawai: JohnnyC: craigdamage: .....BUT WE ARE NOT ROCKS!!


(from VERY old SNL/cavemen sketch)


Also.
Libertarians believe in ALL the same practical things everybody else does. (food safety, public services like fire dept. and EMT etc., any-all things that the government provides)
....they just simply believe ALL these things can be done better and more efficiently by the private sector.

All the dumb "what does a libertarian do when his house catches fire?" is kinda stupid.

So you're saying that Libertarians prefer a couple of guys who come through your business every now and then to collect "protection money" over paying taxes and having police a phone call away? Is that right?

How is situation 1 different from situation 2?


ME CROTCH NO KNOW HOW YOU DOES IT IN DERP TRIBE BUT IN SLIM TRIBE WE VOTE ON WHO SPENDS TAX-ROCKS, BUT SLIM TRIBE CRIMINALS NO LET US VOTE ON WHO TERRORIZE US.
 
2013-06-14 04:01:43 PM

iawai: JohnnyC: craigdamage: .....BUT WE ARE NOT ROCKS!!


(from VERY old SNL/cavemen sketch)


Also.
Libertarians believe in ALL the same practical things everybody else does. (food safety, public services like fire dept. and EMT etc., any-all things that the government provides)
....they just simply believe ALL these things can be done better and more efficiently by the private sector.

All the dumb "what does a libertarian do when his house catches fire?" is kinda stupid.

So you're saying that Libertarians prefer a couple of guys who come through your business every now and then to collect "protection money" over paying taxes and having police a phone call away? Is that right?

How is situation 1 different from situation 2?


In situation 1 ("protection money") the protection you get is the two guys don't smash up your store or break your arms if you pay, they do if you don't pay, and if you do pay, they don't come to help if you actually do get robbed. In situation 2, you get arrested if you don't pay. If you do pay they will show up to help if you get robbed and you also get a fire department, roads, sewage system, and various other very helpful things that help your business prosper.
 
2013-06-14 04:01:59 PM

Badgers: [www.leftycartoons.com image 650x976]


TONDA MAKE LAUGH. TONDA PONDER HOW LIBERTARIAN ALL SAY LIBERTARIAN BEST WAY BUT DISTANCE SELVES FROM LIBERTARIAN WHEN BAD IDEA POINTED OUT. TONDA STARTING TO THINK IT NICE LITTLE GAME SO LIBERTARIAN AVOID CONFRONT DRAWBACKS.
 
2013-06-14 04:02:56 PM

RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: Every libertarian utopia somehow revolves around people living off the land in some rural outpost.   The trouble is commerce and capitalism encourages population density.    I'd love to hear how libertarianism works in a condensed urban environment where 9 million people are forced to share a finite amount of resources and land.

Same as now, except without laws other than those that protect body and property.

So basically a 3rd world shiate hole?  Gotcha.

What's your alternative:?


How about the opposite of Calcutta?    Ever been there?   You would love it.


No stupid government forcing you to pay for things like community housing, so the poor just sleep and shiat in the streets literally turning the entire city into a gigantic cesspool.    No Obamacare, so the sick and dying just decompose out in the sun.    No public policy, so malaria and AIDS just runs rampant.   No major public projects, so limited public transportation leaving 15 million people living in a congested polluted mess.

Just everyone out there living their own lives, just totally free from the tyranny of government thugs.
 
2013-06-14 04:02:57 PM
MAUG'S HEAD ASPLODE.

TREAT NEEK NICE BUT NOT LISTEN TO NEEK ANY MORE.

NEEK EATING BAD SHROOMS, SEEING STRANGE THINGS IN HEAD.

MAKES SOUND OF ROCKS FALLING DOWN CLIFFS IN MAUG'S HEAD.

MAUG SAD FOR NEEK.

NEEK HAVE BAD CAVE CHIEFS IF NEEK TRUSTS NEW ARISTOCRACY.
 
2013-06-14 04:04:42 PM
FARK sure as been taken over by the DERP-O-BAMAS.
 
2013-06-14 04:05:00 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: gameshowhost: demaL-demaL-yeH: gameshowhost: Z-clipped: iawai: TONDA SILLY IF TONDA THINK BIG CAVE MAKE FAIR RULES.

IMPERFECT BIG CAVE RULES BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE THAN NO RULES AT ALL
TONDA CAN FIX RULES.  TONDA NO FIX NO RULES

TONDA™ WENT GOT NAME TRADEROCKED. YOU OWE TONDA™  SHINY ROCK IF YOU SAY TONDA™ AGAIN WITHOUT PERMISSION.

TONDA NOT UNDERSTAND FAIR USE. TONDA WEARS LOINCLOTH ALL SMASHED TOGETHER AND FULL OF TINY, TINY, TINY RIVER ROCKS.

TONDA HAVE BIG LAW FIRM AND BURY YOU WITH MANY STONE CARVINGS.

TONDA MUST PROVE USE CONFUSED OTHER CAVEPEOPLE.
MUST ALSO PROVE THAT TONDA FOR SALE.

/THIS CAVEMAN NOT SWING THAT WAY. (NOT NO THING WRONG WITH)
//CHOOSE-BETTER-ETCHING CAVEPERSON THROW TONGA CARVINGS OVER CLIFF WHEN SEES


TONDA KEEP FILE STONE CARVINGS UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF SHINY ROCKS. SEEM TO WORK.

/TONDA SAD THAT YOU COERCING WHILE TONDA IS JUST ENJOY FREEDOM
 
2013-06-14 04:06:05 PM

cybrwzrd: In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another.


You mean like blowing up a housing project or destroying civilization or raping women as a token of divine selfishness?

Here's what's wrong with Ayn Rand and Objectivism:

What Ayn Rand did was simplify a complex network of economic theories, ideas, practices and human motives and constructed a mono-dimensional faux-reality as a vehicle to push her pulp. Then she filled it full of cardboard cutout characters and mary sue ubermensches who don't talk but lecture for tedious pages about why the rich and powerful have divine right to being rich and powerful. And of course things play out exactly the way her philosophy says because she's the author and she controls the farking outcome. In clear violation of every standard of ethics, politics, economics, reality, life, human nature, philosophy, and farking national train corporation management. It's dishonest, and it's wrong.

As an example of how wildly skewed her understanding of reality really was, just looked at how she twisted the Robin Hood fable. She called him the most evil fairytale hero in history because he stole from the producers to give to the moochers. On the contrary, Robin actually stole the people's taxes from the oppressive government and gave them back to the their rightful owners. He should be a Tea Party icon. I don't understand why she didn't look this up thoroughly enough. It was a bad allegory because it's heavily dependent on point of view.

The book's premise is ridiculous because NO ONE is so important that they think they can destroy the world by retreating from it. Nature abhors a vacuum. Everything important and meaningful that has ever been created -- from thoughts to ideas to products to technology to companies -- is instantly taught, copied, and spread around, effectively building an organic backup system in case the original fails or dies (or retreats to Galt's Gulch). No one is the sole arbiter of anything. No one has a privileged position on humanity's future. To rely on a single source for progress and advancement is dangerous to a functioning system. True stability means constant evolving contingencies, backup plans, and millions of redundancies. Society can't fail because one man lost his motor car plans in a factory. Everyone is replaceable. Even John Galt.

But the worst thing about Ayn Rand is her absolutism. She always makes sweeping, absolute statements like "Capitalism is an end in itself".....no its not. There is no rational, logical, or verifiable proven instance that justifies such a statement. For starters, it's wrong. Capitalism is not an end, it is a means to improve the quality of life. It is a tool. It is a process. And despite what she might think, freedom is not defined in terms of economic productivity. Building a house does not make one happy. Living in one does. Bread isn't beneficial to anyone. Eating it is.

Living things do not live for themselves. Preservation of the self is a cherished tenet, but preservation of the species is equally as cherishable (and, depending on the circumstances, will frequently trump the former), and the concept of family and community is stronger in most societies than the concept of individualism. This is not brainwashing, this is not state-mandated. People do this because they prefer to do this, it is something inescapable and ingrained, and as far as we are concerned it is the moral, ethical, and empirical reality of our species. But Rand wouldn't know this because she never had any children herself and her husband spent their entire marriage drinking himself into a stupor and staying away from her. This is why Objectivism finds the most favor among asocial autistics and aspies who may be brilliant intellectuals but can't fathom the purpose behind relationships and peer bonding. There is another word for these people: Sociopaths.

Man is not a rational animal. Man is an emotional animal. Man is not an individual animal nor is he a social animal. Man is a TRIBAL animal. These are not belief structures. They are physical realities that have defined the evolution of our species.

Ayn Rand does not encourage you to think for yourself. She encourages you to think about her. Her philosophy is attractive to people for the wrong reasons. Most of them are drawn to the characters in her books and use that as justification for promoting her philosophy. But when people are driven by aesthetic (rather than rational) criteria, it's impossible to reason with them in terms of formal argumentation hence the famed "Randroid syndrome".

The authoress herself knew little about reason and even less about philosophy. She admitted she barely read anyone, which is why Objectivism sounds a bit like the idealism of Nietzsche, with maybe a bit of Kant and Bernard Shaw. She once claimed that the only book on philosophy she read was by Aristotle, which explains her appeal to his logical absolutes, particularly the first one: the Law of Identity (ie: A is A).

Objective morality can't exist without subjective content, and more and more of her pseudo-philosophy is being unraveled by such stark and painfully obvious contradictions, though I guess at the time no one had the guts to tell her because she was so damn intimidating and.........what's the word she loved to use? ah yes: "insolent".

It seems that Objectivists, following the lead of Rand, spend more of their time denouncing detractors than actually being the highly-enlightened, individualistic rational beings that they think they are.

3 problems with Objectivists:

1) Objectivists are not highly-enlightened. It's a lazy philosophy, so it attracts lazy intellectuals, aka people who haven't read widely in the field which is what makes Rand's work so impressionable.
2) They are not individualists. Rand's cult was even called "the Collective", and to speak out of line or against the party line was extremely frowned upon (and she burn noticed her anointed successor, Nathanial Branden, because he refused to sleep with her anymore)
3) They are hardly rational, since their defence of the philosophy and attacks of dissenters normally comes in a high-pitched shrill and antagonistic, standoff-ish mental bullying

Organized Objectivism has some cult-like tendencies creepier than Scientology. It's ironic that Rand had more in common with Josef Stalin than anyone else, someone who's ideals she spent the better part of her life denouncing but who's cult of personality she emulated to a T. Today, most Objectivists are simply people who are incapable of thinking for themselves, letting only the bitter memory of the late Ayn Rand make decisions for them.

But essentially, what Rand did was what all pop philosophers do: Tell rich and powerful people what they want to hear (ie: that they have a noble reason to be self-righteous assholes).

www.ishkur.com

cybrwzrd: Both of Rand's heroes were blue collar workers, both had to fight against oppressive business and political climates that wanted to profit off of their hard work.


Not quite. Reardon is the only rich and powerful guy who is self-made. Wyatt is rich and powerful and old money, D'Anconia is rich and powerful and old money, James Taggert is ONLY rich and powerful because his sister, Dagny, is rich and powerful but they are old money, Judge Naragansett was rich and powerful, the composer guy (can't remember his name, running off memory) was rich and powerful, the danish pirate was rich and powerful.... and everyone who wasn't rich and powerful in Galt's Gulch was either rich and powerful at one point in their lives and threw it all away to make some sort of statement, or chose not to seek riches because they preferred not to gift society their talents, like Owen Kellogg, the titular John Galt, and that motherfarker in the diner who made the BEST TASTING BURGER OF ALL TIME because Objectivists are champions at everything they do, even being short order cooks at truckstop diners.

The Bob the Angry Flower cartoon nails the exact problem with an Objectivist Universe: No one in the post-apocalyptic society really could really do any of the real gruntwork that makes society function -- the farmers and garbage crews and janitors and sewage cleaners and miners and lumberjacks and oil workers and all the dirty, disgusting jobs that none of them knew how to do and didn't have the strength to do anyway. Sure, some of them ran some industrial companies, but in truth the builders and geniuses of the world need a disposable slave class to do the work that is too demanding and too hazardous, otherwise they wouldn't have the time to do their genius things because all their waking energy is spent on procuring their next meal.

This is an important point that Objectivists continuously fail to understand, so let me say this: In order for any apex civilization to pursue higher qualities like art and science, it must first employ an underclass to take care of it, freeing up time to engage in these high pursuits. In order to obtain such an underclass, it must invade its neighbors. In order to invade its neighbors, it must have a really good army. No high civilization is ever benign - every one celebrates its noble accomplishments on the backs of cheap labor exploited by tyrannies of chauvinistic patriarchies, and an Objectivist society that doesn't do this will not have the time or the power to accomplish anything at all. The fruits of man's genius will be devoured by manual labor.

This is why the Objectivist platitude of "doing whatever you want so long as it does not harm another" is an outright bold-faced lie, especially in a system as globally integrated as ours is.

/I read Atlas Shrugged in its entirety while sitting on the can. It took me 2.5 years to use all the pages.
//The Atlas Shrugged movie is just like the book in that you can skip forward 10 minutes and the same person is still talking.
 
2013-06-14 04:06:43 PM

InmanRoshi: RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: Every libertarian utopia somehow revolves around people living off the land in some rural outpost.   The trouble is commerce and capitalism encourages population density.    I'd love to hear how libertarianism works in a condensed urban environment where 9 million people are forced to share a finite amount of resources and land.

Same as now, except without laws other than those that protect body and property.

So basically a 3rd world shiate hole?  Gotcha.

What's your alternative:?

How about the opposite of Calcutta?    Ever been there?   You would love it.


No stupid government forcing you to pay for things like community housing, so the poor just sleep and shiat in the streets literally turning the entire city into a gigantic cesspool.    No Obamacare, so the sick and dying just decompose out in the sun.    No public policy, so malaria and AIDS just runs rampant.   No major public projects, so limited public transportation leaving 15 million people living in a congested polluted mess.

Just everyone out there living their own lives, just totally free from the tyranny of government thugs.


That's a good start.   Also, sounds like a good business opportunity to clean things up.
 
2013-06-14 04:09:38 PM
Libertarians read pamphlets instead of books.
 
2013-06-14 04:10:18 PM

what_now: STONEBAMA WENT TO LAND BEYOND WATER FOR VACATION WITH UGLY CAVE WOMAN AND COST GROG 40000000 DINOSAUR BONES PER DAY


Thread over.  what_now won.
 
2013-06-14 04:11:07 PM
RobertBruce
That's a good start. Also, sounds like a good business opportunity to clean things up.

ME CAN DO, THEY NOT HAVE MONEY BUT IT OKAY, ME WORK FOR SHINY ROCKS NOT MONEY.
OH THEY NOT HAVE SHINY ROCKS EITHER?
OKAY THEN ME WISH LUCK, MAYBE ASK SKY GOD FOR HELP.
 
2013-06-14 04:11:42 PM

Aarontology: OOK HAVE RIGHT TO ASSAULT ROCK. KEEP OOK FAMILY SAFE FROM TIGERS.


i1222.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 04:12:09 PM
Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Frankly, the last few months have been insane with the number of derptastic headlines.

Agreed.  Almost rivaling immediate pre-election some days.  This was a nice skid off the rails into silliness for a bit.  We can all dogfight over issues again next week.
 
2013-06-14 04:13:45 PM

InmanRoshi: cybrwzrd: Hence the need for laws to prevent things like that from happening.

Hence why libertarianism is trite platitude bullshiat for simpletons.    Always sounds good in the text books and theory, and then you start giving real world examples and they say "Oh well, we would have laws that would cover that", over and over until it becomes really no different than our current society.


GOOG NO LIKE NO READ SCREEN SCRATCH PEOPLE. LIBERTARIANISM NOT ANARCHY. STILL BIG ROCK TO MAKE LAW, JUST NOT STUPID LAW. GOOG KNOW LIBERTARIANSM NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE GREEDY STUPID GREEDY CAVE MONKEYMEN. FIX CAVEMONKEYMEN, MAYBE BETTER LIFE FOR GOOG.
 
2013-06-14 04:14:19 PM
TONDA TIRED OF WATCHING SHINY ROCKS ACCUMULATE IN TONDA ACCOUNT WHILE DO NOTHING, EXHAUSTED FROM HARD WORK OF RIDING CART ON GRASS AND BATTING SMALL ROCK INTO HOLES WITH SET OF STICKS, AND SLAPPING OTHER BIG CHIEFS' BACKS.

TONDA NEED NAP.
 
2013-06-14 04:14:31 PM
ZREK DISSAPOINTED THAT ROCKBAMA JUSTICE CAVE NOT PROSECUTE RKBC FOR WASHING ROCKS FOR FLOWER-SELLERS AND TERRORISTS, INSTEAD GIVING THEM A SMALL SHINY ROCK FINE.

ROCKBAMA JUSTICE CAVE NEED TO BE CLEANED CAVE. FIRE GREK ROCKDER.
 
2013-06-14 04:14:48 PM

Ishkur: The Atlas Shrugged movie is just like the book in that you can skip forward 10 minutes and the same person is still talking.


You can do the same thing with a Senate hearing.
 
2013-06-14 04:14:53 PM
So glad I saw this thread before I quit working for the day...
 
2013-06-14 04:14:56 PM

gameshowhost: demaL-demaL-yeH: gameshowhost: demaL-demaL-yeH: gameshowhost: Z-clipped: iawai: TONDA SILLY IF TONDA THINK BIG CAVE MAKE FAIR RULES.

IMPERFECT BIG CAVE RULES BETTER FOR MOST PEOPLE THAN NO RULES AT ALL
TONDA CAN FIX RULES.  TONDA NO FIX NO RULES

TONDA™ WENT GOT NAME TRADEROCKED. YOU OWE TONDA™  SHINY ROCK IF YOU SAY TONDA™ AGAIN WITHOUT PERMISSION.

TONDA NOT UNDERSTAND FAIR USE. TONDA WEARS LOINCLOTH ALL SMASHED TOGETHER AND FULL OF TINY, TINY, TINY RIVER ROCKS.

TONDA HAVE BIG LAW FIRM AND BURY YOU WITH MANY STONE CARVINGS.

TONDA MUST PROVE USE CONFUSED OTHER CAVEPEOPLE.
MUST ALSO PROVE THAT TONDA FOR SALE.

/THIS CAVEMAN NOT SWING THAT WAY. (NOT NO THING WRONG WITH)
//CHOOSE-BETTER-ETCHING CAVEPERSON THROW TONGA CARVINGS OVER CLIFF WHEN SEES

TONDA KEEP FILE STONE CARVINGS UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF SHINY ROCKS. SEEM TO WORK.

/TONDA SAD THAT YOU COERCING WHILE TONDA IS JUST ENJOY FREEDOM


THIS CAVE MAN SAVE TONGA ETCHING, GIVE TO CHOOSE-BETTER-ETCHING CAVEPERSON.
CHOOSE-BETTER-ETCHING CAVEPERSON READ, GIVE ME ALL TONGA SHINY ROCKS.
/BAD IDEA ETCH AND SHOW BOLD ETCHING ALL CAVE
//CHOOSE-BETTER-ETCHING CAVEPERSON SAY MAGIC WORDS "VEX-AGES-LIT-GANT", THROW TONGA OVER CLIFF.
 
2013-06-14 04:15:54 PM
Whats wrong with big business not influencing big government?
 
2013-06-14 04:15:59 PM
OOK WANT KNOW WHERE CRAGLADEN BODY IS.  OOK NOT BELIEVE UGBAMA STORY ABOUT SPECIAL OOGFORCES RAID ON SECRET CAVE.
 
2013-06-14 04:16:14 PM

Badgers: [www.leftycartoons.com image 650x976]


Excellent.
 
2013-06-14 04:17:23 PM
Libertarianism is a stupid trend. It's unrealistic, childish, selfish and out of touch with any spirit of community or rule of law.

Stop supporting it. And for gods sake stop embarrassing yourself by claiming to identify with it.
 
2013-06-14 04:17:55 PM

cybrwzrd: GOOG NO LIKE NO READ SCREEN SCRATCH PEOPLE. LIBERTARIANISM NOT ANARCHY. STILL BIG ROCK TO MAKE LAW, JUST NOT STUPID LAW. GOOG KNOW LIBERTARIANSM NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE GREEDY STUPID GREEDY CAVE MONKEYMEN. FIX CAVEMONKEYMEN, MAYBE BETTER LIFE FOR GOOG.


I NO TRUST GOOG TO CLEAN UP MAMMOTH DUNG, MUCH LESS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN LEGIT LAW AND STUPID LAW.
 
2013-06-14 04:18:57 PM

RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: RobertBruce: InmanRoshi: Every libertarian utopia somehow revolves around people living off the land in some rural outpost.   The trouble is commerce and capitalism encourages population density.    I'd love to hear how libertarianism works in a condensed urban environment where 9 million people are forced to share a finite amount of resources and land.

Same as now, except without laws other than those that protect body and property.

So basically a 3rd world shiate hole?  Gotcha.

What's your alternative:?

How about the opposite of Calcutta?    Ever been there?   You would love it.


No stupid government forcing you to pay for things like community housing, so the poor just sleep and shiat in the streets literally turning the entire city into a gigantic cesspool.    No Obamacare, so the sick and dying just decompose out in the sun.    No public policy, so malaria and AIDS just runs rampant.   No major public projects, so limited public transportation leaving 15 million people living in a congested polluted mess.

Just everyone out there living their own lives, just totally free from the tyranny of government thugs.

That's a good start.   Also, sounds like a good business opportunity to clean things up.


ME CROTCH HATE TO BE FUTURE SLAVE TO ROBERTBRUCE

THIS WHY THIRD WORLD NO HAVE NICE THINGS
 
2013-06-14 04:19:15 PM
Well I be damned, Ishkur has REALLY left Maug here speechless.

Also...

STONEBAMA CAVE WOMAN BE FIIIIINE LOOKING, SOMEONE HAVE NO LIKING FOR DAT HEALTHY PALEOLITHIC CAVE WOMAN BUTT, so what WRONG wit you, boy??
 
2013-06-14 04:19:35 PM

Ishkur: cybrwzrd: In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another.

You mean like blowing up a housing project or destroying civilization or raping women as a token of divine selfishness?

Here's what's wrong with Ayn Rand and Objectivism:...


That reminded me of the scene from Good Will Hunting where Matt Damon just demolishes the pseudo-intellectual that's bothering Minnie Driver.

/tl;but I did read what you wrote
//My hat's off to you, well put
 
2013-06-14 04:20:17 PM

griffer: The level of discourse around here that constitutes 'political discourse' is finally truly exposed. What a bunch of inane babble.  You are truly ignorant dicks.






i478.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 04:20:41 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

Frankly, the last few months have been insane with the number of derptastic headlines.

Agreed.  Almost rivaling immediate pre-election some days.  This was a nice skid off the rails into silliness for a bit.  We can all dogfight over issues again next week.


Amen!  :)
 
2013-06-14 04:22:36 PM
FTA
In the old Soviet Union, Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, and today's North Korea, they tried to move toward the ideal Communist system. Combined, they killed about 100 million of their own people. That's a hefty moral distinction right there: When freedom-lovers move society toward their ideal, mistakes may be made, but people tend to flourish. When the hard Left is given free rein, millions are murdered and enslaved. Which ideal would you like to move toward?

The "people tend to flourish" part I disagree with. 100 million is a lot of people killed by liberalism dictatorships. I'd say if we tally the people killed by tribal war, infectious disease, pollution, infant mortality, and all natural but preventable causes, we have a number caused by libertarian ideals that would match the so-called death tool of the left.

Libertarian societies HAVE been tried: every time a society fails because it wasn't strong enough.
 
2013-06-14 04:22:46 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Aarontology: OOK HAVE RIGHT TO ASSAULT ROCK. KEEP OOK FAMILY SAFE FROM TIGERS.

[i1222.photobucket.com image 247x400]


Brilliant.  So, is that like the thread badge?
 
2013-06-14 04:23:28 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: GreatGlavinsGhost: Aarontology: OOK HAVE RIGHT TO ASSAULT ROCK. KEEP OOK FAMILY SAFE FROM TIGERS.

[i1222.photobucket.com image 247x400]

Brilliant.  So, is that like the thread badge?


I don't think so. It could be, though ...
 
2013-06-14 04:25:27 PM
MAUG SUDDENLY VERY HUNGREH.

MAUG EATS BANGMAN, CRACKS BONES FOR MARROW.

/fArt
 
2013-06-14 04:25:27 PM

Ishkur: cybrwzrd: In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another.

You mean like blowing up a housing project or destroying civilization or raping women as a token of divine selfishness?

Here's what's wrong with Ayn Rand and Objectivism:

What Ayn Rand did was simplify a complex network of economic theories, ideas, practices and human motives and constructed a mono-dimensional faux-reality as a vehicle to push her pulp. Then she filled it full of cardboard cutout characters and mary sue ubermensches who don't talk but lecture for tedious pages about why the rich and powerful have divine right to being rich and powerful. And of course things play out exactly the way her philosophy says because she's the author and she controls the farking outcome. In clear violation of every standard of ethics, politics, economics, reality, life, human nature, philosophy, and farking national train corporation management. It's dishonest, and it's wrong.

As an example of how wildly skewed her understanding of reality really was, just looked at how she twisted the Robin Hood fable. She called him the most evil fairytale hero in history because he stole from the producers to give to the moochers. On the contrary, Robin actually stole the people's taxes from the oppressive government and gave them back to the their rightful owners. He should be a Tea Party icon. I don't understand why she didn't look this up thoroughly enough. It was a bad allegory because it's heavily dependent on point of view.

The book's premise is ridiculous because NO ONE is so important that they think they can destroy the world by retreating from it. Nature abhors a vacuum. Everything important and meaningful that has ever been created -- from thoughts to ideas to products to technology to companies -- is instantly taught, copied, and spread around, effectively buil ...


Damn man, you said it better than I could have, but I will add this. Rand claims to be a philosopher of some sort, but the counterarguments to almost every claim she makes can be found in philosophers centuries, or even in some cases, millenia before her. She shows no sign of actually engaging anything but a caricature of western thought prior to her and most of her ardent defenders are equally poorly read. They are in the position of thinking that the contest for greatest musician ever is a knockdown drag out fight between Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez.
 
2013-06-14 04:25:37 PM
whidbey
Libertarianism is a stupid trend. It's unrealistic, childish, selfish and out of touch with any spirit of community or rule of law.

YOU WRONG, IT WAVE OF FUTURE, IT WILL BE ONLY ORIGINAL IDEA IN NEXT FEW THOUSAND YEARS, AFTER WE INVENT NOT EATING POOP.
 
2013-06-14 04:27:42 PM

ranold: [24.media.tumblr.com image 240x280]


i208.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 04:28:52 PM

RanDomino: whidbey
Libertarianism is a stupid trend. It's unrealistic, childish, selfish and out of touch with any spirit of community or rule of law.

YOU WRONG, IT WAVE OF FUTURE, IT WILL BE ONLY ORIGINAL IDEA IN NEXT FEW THOUSAND YEARS, AFTER WE INVENT NOT EATING POOP.


ME CROTCH NO GET ALONG WITH YOU RANDOMINO IN PAST BUT ME CROTCH LAUGH AT FUNNY ABOUT LEARNING TO EAT NOT POOP  THEN LOOKING AT LIBERTARIANISM
 
2013-06-14 04:29:25 PM

keylock71: So glad I saw this thread before I quit working for the day...


Every time I go to the zoo I am still surprised to see the number of people that consider making animal noises at the animals to be a good joke.  But this thread, I am not sure what it is.
 
2013-06-14 04:32:08 PM

Ishkur: cybrwzrd: In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another.

You mean like blowing up a housing project or destroying civilization or raping women as a token of divine selfishness?

Here's what's wrong with Ayn Rand and Objectivism:

What Ayn Rand did was simplify a complex network of economic theories, ideas, practices and human motives and constructed a mono-dimensional faux-reality as a vehicle to push her pulp. Then she filled it full of cardboard cutout characters and mary sue ubermensches who don't talk but lecture for tedious pages about why the rich and powerful have divine right to being rich and powerful. And of course things play out exactly the way her philosophy says because she's the author and she controls the farking outcome. In clear violation of every standard of ethics, politics, economics, reality, life, human nature, philosophy, and farking national train corporation management. It's dishonest, and it's wrong.

As an example of how wildly skewed her understanding of reality really was, just looked at how she twisted the Robin Hood fable. She called him the most evil fairytale hero in history because he stole from the producers to give to the moochers. On the contrary, Robin actually stole the people's taxes from the oppressive government and gave them back to the their rightful owners. He should be a Tea Party icon. I don't understand why she didn't look this up thoroughly enough. It was a bad allegory because it's heavily dependent on point of view.

The book's premise is ridiculous because NO ONE is so important that they think they can destroy the world by retreating from it. Nature abhors a vacuum. Everything important and meaningful that has ever been created -- from thoughts to ideas to products to technology to companies -- is instantly taught, copied, and spread around, effectively buil ...


MMMMM COPY CARVED FROM STONEBLOG!

LARFED AT SLASHIES
 
2013-06-14 04:32:49 PM
MAUG SLEEPY AFTER TASTY MEAL.

WILL RETREAT TO SOFT PILE OF FURS AND GRASS IN BACK OF CAVE.
 
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