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2013-06-14 02:56:04 PM

bglove25: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GROG USE COMPLEX SYSTEM OF SATIRE TO UNDERMINE SHINY ROCK WORSHIPERS, SMACK THEM ON HEAD WITH CLUB.

FORGET GROG. IT SLANT EYE CAVE.


GRUNG APPROVE POST REFER TO TALKY PICTURE.
 
2013-06-14 02:56:37 PM
"Yes, because the only alternative to the libertarian ideal is a pure statist one. My god, the caveman posts have more logical coherency than that fallacy."


Curious if you believe in the supernatural or if you are a naturalist - or are you somewhere in the middle there too?
 
2013-06-14 02:57:00 PM
OH LOOK, IAWAI BOWS DOWN TO NEW ARISTOCRACY, WANTS TO GIVE IT ALL HIS SHINY ROCKS, THINKING NEW ARISTOCRACY WILL VALUE HIM.

MAUG SAD.
 
2013-06-14 02:57:05 PM
TRADING SHINY ROCKS FOR STICKS ONLY WORK RIGHT WHEN NO BIG CAVE, BUT STILL NEED SOME BIG CAVE. IT STILL WORK, YOU TRUST IN NO-SEE HAND OR ME HIT WITH CLUB.
 
2013-06-14 02:57:36 PM

Kittypie070: PsiChick: MAUG HAS BETTER CAVEWOMAN NAME THAN EEA. EEA JEALOUS.

MAUG ALSO HAS POINT ABOUT ARISTOCRACY. BEAT AND CLAW, THEN USE SHINY ROCKS FOR BETTER THINGS.

EEA NOT NEED TO BE JEALOUS. EEA NICE.

MAUG WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT WITH CLAW SCRATCHING DEEP IN ROCK...EAGLE CLAN BEGIN BY THROWING OFF OLD ARISTOCRACY, DAMMIT, WITH SHARP STICKS AND FLINT POINTS TOO.

OLD ARISTOCRACY NOT HAVE SKY MAN MANDATE, NEW ARISTOCRACY NOT HAVE SKY MAN MANDATE EITHER!!

THAT WHY SHARP STICKS IN GREAT WORD OF ELDERS.


YES. MAUG HAS GOOD POINT. WE MUST MAKE WAR COUNCIL AND PLAN. AND MAUG NICE TOO. :)
 
2013-06-14 02:57:39 PM
Okay Fark Libertarians, time to fess up. Which one of you is this?
i1243.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 02:57:40 PM

iawai: verbaltoxin: iawai: Mercutio74: FuzedBox: Libertarianism is not anarchy, nor even close to it. Sure there's anarcho-libertarianism, a form of libertarianism but they are not the majority. Libertarianism in and of it self does not want to abolish government; it wants to streamline it and prune the branches.

But let's face it.  Libertarianism is a terrible idea.  All it does is transfer power and resources to people with the most power and resources.  Without governmental regulation and enforcement, there's no way an individual has any ability to move up in the world except by the grace of the people already in charge.

But let's face it.  Statism is a terrible idea.  All it does is transfer power and resources to people with the most power and resources.  Without governmental regulation and enforcement, the rich and powerful have no ability to crush all the possible competition in the world.

So strip all those regulations and leave all the rich and powerful with the resources they already have! It'll all work itself out in no time, guys!

When Nike was using sweatshop labor in the '00s was it consumer sentiment or govt action that made them stop?

When BP FUBAR'ed the Gulf, was it consumer sentiment or govt action that placed a liability cap on their damage and protected the executives from personal liability? And which one set the rules that drove them off the easier tapped on-land and shallow deposits and out into the deep water? And which one claimed the ability to "lease" the deep-water location to BP?

When the banks and other big businesses nearly collapsed a few years ago - who decided that they needed to be able to keep doing what they were doing with no criminal charges, but with massive monetary rewards in the form of bailouts?

I understand that people think that the govt is necessary, and without them the rich would get richer and enslave the poor while polluting the Earth - but it's been the vary fact that govt is running things that has kept the rich getting richer, the poor enslaved, and pollution given the okay. Central power is a GREAT thing for big corporations who have no qualms about harming people and don't want to meet the demands of their consumers.


WHEN MEAT PACKING INDUSTRY MAKE ALL UGGS AND THAGS SICK, WHO MADE MEAT SAFE AGAIN? NOT HUNTERS. HUNTERS KEEP SELLING BAD MEAT FOR MANY ROCKS. ONLY BIG CAVE MADE SAFE.

THAG A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT INVISIBLE HAND IS DOING TO IAWAI. MAY BE CUTTING OFF AIR SUPPLY TO BRAIN. DOES IAWAI REMEMBER OWN NAME AND DAY OF BIRTH?
 
2013-06-14 02:57:48 PM

Ben Ghazi: Fifi Le Pew: POOG JUST WANT KNOW WHAT HAPPEN AT BONEGAZI.  THAT ALL.

LEAVE ME ALONE.


OK.  YOU STAY YOUR CAVE, I STAY MINE.
 
2013-06-14 02:57:55 PM

Mercutio74: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GROG USE COMPLEX SYSTEM OF SATIRE TO UNDERMINE SHINY ROCK WORSHIPERS, SMACK THEM ON HEAD WITH CLUB.

GROG BE CAREFUL, HARD TO TELL DIFFERENCE FROM REAL WORSHIPPERS AND GROG.  SOMEONE SHOULD WRITE THAT ON CAVE WALL... CALL IT GROG'S LAW.


GROG BELIEVE THAT OTHER CAVEMEN HAVE GROG'S BEST INTEREST AT HEART IF GROG GIVE THEM SHINY ROCKS, JUST LIKE WAY WOMAN LOVE GROG WHEN HE GIVE HER FRESH BERRIES AND SHINY ROCKS. WHAT CAVE DO IS STEAL GROG'S SHINY ROCKS AND GIVE NOTHING TO GROG.
 
2013-06-14 02:58:47 PM
TONDA BACK FROM DEAD CAVEPERSON CEREMONY. TONDA UPSET THAT CEREMONY NOT MENTION HOW MUCH TONDA PAY IN ROCK TAX.
 
2013-06-14 03:00:17 PM

PsiChick: Kittypie070: PsiChick: MAUG HAS BETTER CAVEWOMAN NAME THAN EEA. EEA JEALOUS.

MAUG ALSO HAS POINT ABOUT ARISTOCRACY. BEAT AND CLAW, THEN USE SHINY ROCKS FOR BETTER THINGS.

EEA NOT NEED TO BE JEALOUS. EEA NICE.

MAUG WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT WITH CLAW SCRATCHING DEEP IN ROCK...EAGLE CLAN BEGIN BY THROWING OFF OLD ARISTOCRACY, DAMMIT, WITH SHARP STICKS AND FLINT POINTS TOO.

OLD ARISTOCRACY NOT HAVE SKY MAN MANDATE, NEW ARISTOCRACY NOT HAVE SKY MAN MANDATE EITHER!!

THAT WHY SHARP STICKS IN GREAT WORD OF ELDERS.

YES. MAUG HAS GOOD POINT. WE MUST MAKE WAR COUNCIL AND PLAN. AND MAUG NICE TOO. :)


TEMBA, HIS ARMS WIDE
 
2013-06-14 03:00:42 PM
That steaming pantload Goldberg deserves his own tag. I propose a picture of a turd with wavy lines and little flies buzzing around.
 
2013-06-14 03:00:49 PM

SordidEuphemism: bglove25: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GROG USE COMPLEX SYSTEM OF SATIRE TO UNDERMINE SHINY ROCK WORSHIPERS, SMACK THEM ON HEAD WITH CLUB.

FORGET GROG. IT SLANT EYE CAVE.

GRUNG APPROVE POST REFER TO TALKY PICTURE.


GROG ONLY WATCH SHADOWS FROM PUPPETS ON CAVE WALLS MADE BY FIRE. GROG AFRAID OF GLOWING DISK IN SKY OUTSIDE OF CAVE AND WHAT HE TELL PEOPLE WHEN HE GO BACK INTO CAVE. GROG THINK IT MAY BE METAPHOR FOR KNOWLEDGE.
 
2013-06-14 03:01:31 PM
TONDA ALSO WANT KNOW WHY TIGER PAINTING SHOW UP AS MALICIOUS URL! TONDA FEEL VIOLATED
 
2013-06-14 03:01:41 PM
Gulper Eel - You're also not going to get screwed if you realize that certain aspects of your life are best controlled by yourself, even if it's a pain in the ass to do so at the time. I was flipping through a recent Consumer Reports (no can find linky) piece on health care that stated 70% of our health care costs are due to our own shiatty choices. It's not the government's fault or Monsanto's fault or anybody's fault but our own if we are unwilling to govern our own choices. We eat poorly, we don't exercise,

This line has made me laugh since 2011 when, after a healthy home-cooked meal and out for a healthy
walk after dinner I was hit by an uninsured teenage driver - the result was 90% of my out of pocket
health-care costs for the previous FIVE years

I obviously should have avoided the choice to use sidewalks
 
2013-06-14 03:02:47 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: SordidEuphemism: bglove25: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GROG USE COMPLEX SYSTEM OF SATIRE TO UNDERMINE SHINY ROCK WORSHIPERS, SMACK THEM ON HEAD WITH CLUB.

FORGET GROG. IT SLANT EYE CAVE.

GRUNG APPROVE POST REFER TO TALKY PICTURE.

GROG ONLY WATCH SHADOWS FROM PUPPETS ON CAVE WALLS MADE BY FIRE. GROG AFRAID OF GLOWING DISK IN SKY OUTSIDE OF CAVE AND WHAT HE TELL PEOPLE WHEN HE GO BACK INTO CAVE. GROG THINK IT MAY BE METAPHOR FOR KNOWLEDGE.


SILLY GROG. CAVE NOT METAPHOR FOR KNOWLEDGE. CAVE METAPHOR FOR PROBLEM OF UNIVERSALITY. METAPHOR FOR KNOWLEDGE IS REMEMBERING. MENO KNOW MORE.
 
2013-06-14 03:03:21 PM

craigdamage: They believe that the private sector can do a better job than the govt.


It's really not that simple. The private sector can do a real shiatty job at running things just like the government can.

Just because it's run by the private sector doesn't automatically mean it makes it better.
 
2013-06-14 03:03:25 PM

Mercutio74: iawai: But let's face it. Statism is a terrible idea. All it does is transfer power and resources to people with the most power and resources. Without governmental regulation and enforcement, the rich and powerful have no ability to crush all the possible competition in the world.

The industrial revolution would like a word with you.  That's probably the closest modern society has ever gotten to a libertarian ideal.  It was great if you were a factory owner, not so much if you were working class.


You've been asleep for more than three decades if you've missed the Return of the Robber Barons (Multinational Edition).
 
2013-06-14 03:03:40 PM
GROG GIVE SHINY ROCKS TO CAVEMEN WHO MAKE BASKETS FOR HIM. BASKETS MAKE GETTING FRUIT EASIER. GROG TRADE FRUIT FOR MORE SHINY ROCKS AND SHINY ROCKS FOR BETTER BASKET. SOON GROG BY SECOND HUT IN THE HAMPTONS.
 
2013-06-14 03:04:30 PM

parasol: This line has made me laugh since 2011 when, after a healthy home-cooked meal and out for a healthy
walk after dinner I was hit by an uninsured teenage driver - the result was 90% of my out of pocket
health-care costs for the previous FIVE years

I obviously should have avoided the choice to use sidewalks


Obviously legislation-by-anecdote is the way to go!
 
2013-06-14 03:05:22 PM
TONDA BIG FAN OF LEWROCKWELL.COM. LIKE NAME.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:06 PM
I think being a moderate is a great idea.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:19 PM

WTF Indeed: Grand_Moff_Joseph: WTF Indeed: Grand_Moff_Joseph: WTF Indeed: LOR SAYS MOON GOD BETTER THAN SUN GOD SO LOR HAS RIGHT TO STEAL FROM SUN GOD PEOPLE

INDEED.  NIGHTMARE MOON IS BEST GOD

NIGHTMARE MOON IS FALSE GOD! BLOOD MOON IS ONLY GOD *GRABS POINTED STICK*

DO NOT MAKE UGG CALL SUMMON THE POWERFUL REDACTED.  HE WILL WASH YOU AWAY IN A FLOOD OF MAPLE SYRUP, AND BURN YOU WITH THE FIRES OF LOW QUALITY VODAK

*LOUD AND UNINTELLIGIBLE GRUNTING NOISES*


PULL WATER HIGH PUSH WATER LOW. NO EXPLAIN.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:28 PM

Mrtraveler01: Just because it's run by the private sector doesn't automatically mean it makes it better.


Ideally, when the private sector screws something up, they fail and are replaced by something better. No such option exists with government - especially not a government that subsidizes private sector screw-ups.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:57 PM
NEEK HAVE NO REASON TO TRUST BIG CAVE. BIG CAVE HAS DONE GOOD, BUT IT COME FROM BAD PLACE. NEEK WANT KNOW WHAT GOOD HAPPEN WITHOUT BIG CAVE DOING BAD FIRST. NEEK WILL HELP GROG AND THAG AND ALL STOP BAD THAT BIG CAVE NOT EVEN STOP NOW.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:58 PM
ROCK PAUL SAY BIG CAVE NO GOOD, WANT BE CHIEF OF BIG CAVE. ME SEE NO PROBLEM.


Obama's Reptiloid Master
DOES IAWAI REMEMBER OWN NAME AND DAY OF BIRTH?

ME REMEMBER DAY OF BIRTH. FIRST DARK AND WET, THEN BRIGHT AND MEDICINE MAN SLAP ME.
 
2013-06-14 03:07:12 PM
MUCH HA_HA
SUN SAYS TIME TO START COOKING FIRE AND SEE WHAT FOOD IS IN BACK OF CAVE
BEWARE OF LOCAL WATER HOLE YOU HUNTERS
 
2013-06-14 03:07:55 PM

iawai: When Nike was using sweatshop labor in the '00s was it consumer sentiment or govt action that made them stop?


Was it lack of government regulation in the countries that were providing the sweatshop labour?  I think a strong argument could be made to support that point of view.

When BP FUBAR'ed the Gulf, was it consumer sentiment or govt action that placed a liability cap on their damage and protected the executives from personal liability? And which one set the rules that drove them off the easier tapped on-land and shallow deposits and out into the deep water? And which one claimed the ability to "lease" the deep-water location to BP?

In a true libertarian society, there wouldn't have been any liability.  It would have just been "an unfortunate incident" and the free market would somehow be left to clean it up.  Any insurance claims would be between the insurance companies and the policy holders and BP wouldn't have to pay anything.

When the banks and other big businesses nearly collapsed a few years ago - who decided that they needed to be able to keep doing what they were doing with no criminal charges, but with massive monetary rewards in the form of bailouts?

Yes, that was terrible.  I think the gov't should have purchased the financial institutions, made real laws that would prevent the global collapse from happening again, and then sold the financial institutions back to whoever wanted to buy them... but in smaller pieces.  Again, I see this as a failure of government to regulate properly.  The bailout, as terrible as it was, also prevented many regular citizens from losing everything they own.  The government should have taken more control over the "rescued" corporations.
 
2013-06-14 03:10:10 PM
GULPER EEL - Obviously the anecdotes of the damage by uninsured motorists means we must
legislate the reversal of mandatory insurance
 
2013-06-14 03:10:45 PM
Everything I needed to know about libertarianism I learned from Bioshock.

static.giantbomb.com


/not sure if trolling.
 
2013-06-14 03:11:49 PM
It may be an oxymoron to call myself this - but I think I am a progressive libertarian. I will always deeply believe that limited government is the best way to govern, with as few laws as necessary to provide for a cohesive society. I also understand that most people are greedy assholes and will abuse any political system to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Due to this, there needs to be a safety net to prevent the powerful/rich from abusing the weak/poor. The powerful/rich also need to be prevented from gaining too much power by stacking the deck in their own favor by buying politicians - even if it means sky-high taxes to prevent massive wealth accumulation and policies that prevent intergenerational wealth transfer.


I know that the left tries to portray libertarianism as the belief system of right wing religious loonies and fascist-capitalists, but both of these groups want to use the rule of law to benefit their agenda. There is nothing libertarian about allowing looters of any group (in this case the investor class/corporate types and religious fanatics) to use the force of law to stack the deck in their favor. These people are no more Libertarian than Evangelicals are Christian. These types believe that freedom is the right to never be held accountable for doing the wrong thing as long as you benefit from doing the wrong thing. Rand herself would be against that - it is called irrational selfishness or greed.


In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another. If you are a liberal and you think that you know the actual philosophy behind Objectivism just from osmosis by reading about it as told by looter-objectivists (most "Libertarians", tea party members, facist-capitalists, etc) then you might as well have formed your opinions about Judasim as told by the Iranians. The whole idea of objectivism is that you have a right to work towards your own goals as long as you are not harming another through greed. Both of Rand's heroes were blue collar workers, both had to fight against oppressive business and political climates that wanted to profit off of their hard work. There is nothing wrong with wanting to profit off your own work. Hell, Galt quit his job because the company he worked for wanted to take the credit for his invention and not allow him to benefit from it. The books are about about as anti-corporate culture as the Communist Manifesto. The entire idea of stockholder right to profit over workers is just as collectivistic - and even more evil than "from each to his ability, to each according to his needs".
 
2013-06-14 03:11:51 PM

parasol: MUCH HA_HA
SUN SAYS TIME TO START COOKING FIRE AND SEE WHAT FOOD IS IN BACK OF CAVE
BEWARE OF LOCAL WATER HOLE YOU HUNTERS


TONDA SEE YOU PUT MICROSCOPIC AMOUNT OF FLOURIDE IN HOLE AND THINK YOU LIZARD PERSON.
 
2013-06-14 03:12:15 PM

IRQ12: Z-clipped: Rabid Badger Beaver Weasel: I read your post wrong

It's probably my fault for not typing it in "caveman".  ; )

IRQ12: You may be right. If the "social connotation" is: "I'm afraid of saying I am an atheist or libertarian because almost every single one I have ever heard from is an obnoxious asshole who really has no clue of what they are talking about and most people I meet think the same, regardless of their beliefs."

You know why ALL atheists seem so offensive?  It's not their behavior.  It's because to Christians, their lack of belief is an affront- their existence is inherently offensive.  So Christians attempt to skew the perceptions of everyone around them so that any behavior by atheists other than "pretending not to exist" is aggressive.  Congrats.  You fell for it.

I didn't say "offensive" or "aggressive", I said "obnoxious asshole".  This is coming from someone who doesn't see libertarian-ism or atheism as an affront to my ideology.  I can't count the times I have seen Libertarians shiat on "independents" or atheists shiat on agnostics.  Just look at any libertarian or atheist thread on the internet is dripping with smug self important idiots who usually have little to no clue about what they are talking about.


OK, hold up... I think we're on different pages.  Part of the problem is that I missed the bolded section of the above the first time, sorry.

My original position was in regard to PN's boobies: It is that atheism is a poor analogy for libertarianism, because it doesn't fit PN's description. Atheists don't misunderstand their own ideology, because there is no "ideology" to atheism, moreover, most people are shy about admitting they're atheists, as opposed to taking on the label without understanding the position.  I'm pretty sure PN's post was a subtle dig at Christianity, as it tends to fit his description more accurately.

I may have been arguing a point you weren't making about atheists being painted as "obnoxious" (or offensive, or rude...whatever, it's a fine distinction).  I'm no longer sure what your point is, but I will say this:  Atheism is a position based solidly upon rational thought.  Libertarianism is a position based on oversimplifications and naive assumptions about human nature.  I find most libertarians to be a bit silly with regard to the real-world implications of their philosophy, but I wouldn't really call them "obnoxious assholes".
 
2013-06-14 03:13:14 PM

Gulper Eel: Mrtraveler01: Just because it's run by the private sector doesn't automatically mean it makes it better.

Ideally, when the private sector screws something up, they fail and are replaced by something better. No such option exists with government - especially not a government that subsidizes private sector screw-ups.



Except for, you know, regular democratic elections.
 
2013-06-14 03:13:48 PM

Gulper Eel: Mrtraveler01: Just because it's run by the private sector doesn't automatically mean it makes it better.

Ideally, when the private sector screws something up, they fail and are replaced by something better. No such option exists with government - especially not a government that subsidizes private sector screw-ups.


I remember spit taking water at the TV one time watching a 20/20 episode when I saw that massive douche John Stossel state that we should breakup and divide out National Parks to private land owners, because private land owners have a much bigger investment in protecting their natural resources than government ever could.

I'd love to take John out of NYC and drive him around the piney woods close to where I grew up, and point to him all of the stretches of devastated land that have been sold out and stripped, as the trailer trash who inherited land from their fathers and grandfathers sold their timber and resource rights for pennies on the dollar to fuel their meth habits.
 
2013-06-14 03:13:57 PM
b.vimeocdn.com
"My god... it's full of retards."
 
2013-06-14 03:14:37 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: GROG GIVE SHINY ROCKS TO CAVEMEN WHO MAKE BASKETS FOR HIM. BASKETS MAKE GETTING FRUIT EASIER. GROG TRADE FRUIT FOR MORE SHINY ROCKS AND SHINY ROCKS FOR BETTER BASKET. SOON GROG BY SECOND HUT IN THE HAMPTONS.


WHEN BROG COLLECT MANY SHINY ROCKS, BROG WILL GIVE THEM TO MAN IN CAVEMAN ISLANDS. MAN NOT TELL BIG CAVE ABOUT BROG'S ROCKS, SO BIG CAVE NOT TAKE SO MANY. THEN MAYBE BROG RUN FOR CHIEFTAIN WITH ELEPHANT CLAN.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:04 PM

cybrwzrd: It may be an oxymoron to call myself this - but I think I am a progressive libertarian. I will always deeply believe that limited government is the best way to govern, with as few laws as necessary to provide for a cohesive society. I also understand that most people are greedy assholes and will abuse any political system to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Due to this, there needs to be a safety net to prevent the powerful/rich from abusing the weak/poor. The powerful/rich also need to be prevented from gaining too much power by stacking the deck in their own favor by buying politicians - even if it means sky-high taxes to prevent massive wealth accumulation and policies that prevent intergenerational wealth transfer.


I know that the left tries to portray libertarianism as the belief system of right wing religious loonies and fascist-capitalists, but both of these groups want to use the rule of law to benefit their agenda. There is nothing libertarian about allowing looters of any group (in this case the investor class/corporate types and religious fanatics) to use the force of law to stack the deck in their favor. These people are no more Libertarian than Evangelicals are Christian. These types believe that freedom is the right to never be held accountable for doing the wrong thing as long as you benefit from doing the wrong thing. Rand herself would be against that - it is called irrational selfishness or greed.


In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another. If you are a liberal and you think that you know the actual philosophy behind Objectivism just from osmosis by reading about it as told by looter-objectivists (most "Libertarians", tea party members, facist-capitalists, etc) then you might as well have formed your opinions about Judasim as told by the Iranians. The whole idea of objectivis ...


*squints, rereads comment*
Are you PN's alt?
 
2013-06-14 03:15:46 PM

Mercutio74: Was it lack of government regulation in the countries that were providing the sweatshop labour?  I think a strong argument could be made to support that point of view.


NEEK SEES SOLUTION. ONE BIG CAVE FOR WHOLE LAND. NEEK NOT MEAN THAT.

Mercutio74: In a true libertarian society, there wouldn't have been any liability.  It would have just been "an unfortunate incident" and the free market would somehow be left to clean it up.  Any insurance claims would be between the insurance companies and the policy holders and BP wouldn't have to pay anything.


NEEK NOT BUY FERMENTED AMINAL CARCASS FROM BP NO MORE. NO CAVEMAN BUY. NEEK WOULD NOT LET MEN WHO LEFT DIRTY WATER BACK INTO NEEK'S CIRCLE.

Mercutio74: Yes, that was terrible.  I think the gov't should have purchased the financial institutions, made real laws that would prevent the global collapse from happening again, and then sold the financial institutions back to whoever wanted to buy them... but in smaller pieces.  Again, I see this as a failure of government to regulate properly.  The bailout, as terrible as it was, also prevented many regular citizens from losing everything they own.  The government should have taken more control over the "rescued" corporations.


BIG CAVE HAD TOTAL CONTROL. BIG CAVE NEVER REGULATE PROPERLY IF BIG CAVE ONLY REGULATOR WITHOUT NEEK ABLE GIVE ROCKS TO OTHER REGULATORS.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:47 PM

iawai: NEEK HAVE NO REASON TO TRUST BIG CAVE. BIG CAVE HAS DONE GOOD, BUT IT COME FROM BAD PLACE. NEEK WANT KNOW WHAT GOOD HAPPEN WITHOUT BIG CAVE DOING BAD FIRST. NEEK WILL HELP GROG AND THAG AND ALL STOP BAD THAT BIG CAVE NOT EVEN STOP NOW.


GREAT WORD OF ELDERS IS BAD PLACE!!??
 
2013-06-14 03:16:42 PM

Saborlas: Crude: Drew: Holy crap a good thread from the politics tab?  Must be national bourbon day

Don't you dare complain about the content of the Politics tab when you're the piece of shiat who is responsible for creating both the content and the political slant of the drivel found there.


Your website is dying. I couldn't be happier about that. (When articles have less than 50 - 100 comments on them, and most of those are from the same users, it's dead)


/RIP Digg FARK

[i970.photobucket.com image 688x500]


WHY THROW ROCK AT FARK POOBAH, THIS LIBRAL CAVE?
 
2013-06-14 03:17:07 PM
UGBAMA WANT TO TAKE ALL ROCKS FOR ALL OUCHES, CLUB SMALL ROCK OWNERS AND TAKE AWAY POINTY STICKS!
 
2013-06-14 03:17:10 PM

cybrwzrd: It may be an oxymoron to call myself this - but I think I am a progressive libertarian. I will always deeply believe that limited government is the best way to govern, with as few laws as necessary to provide for a cohesive society. I also understand that most people are greedy assholes and will abuse any political system to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Due to this, there needs to be a safety net to prevent the powerful/rich from abusing the weak/poor. The powerful/rich also need to be prevented from gaining too much power by stacking the deck in their own favor by buying politicians - even if it means sky-high taxes to prevent massive wealth accumulation and policies that prevent intergenerational wealth transfer.


I know that the left tries to portray libertarianism as the belief system of right wing religious loonies and fascist-capitalists, but both of these groups want to use the rule of law to benefit their agenda. There is nothing libertarian about allowing looters of any group (in this case the investor class/corporate types and religious fanatics) to use the force of law to stack the deck in their favor. These people are no more Libertarian than Evangelicals are Christian. These types believe that freedom is the right to never be held accountable for doing the wrong thing as long as you benefit from doing the wrong thing. Rand herself would be against that - it is called irrational selfishness or greed.


In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another. If you are a liberal and you think that you know the actual philosophy behind Objectivism just from osmosis by reading about it as told by looter-objectivists (most "Libertarians", tea party members, facist-capitalists, etc) then you might as well have formed your opinions about Judasim as told by the Iranians. The whole idea of objectivis ...


YOU NOT SPEAK PROPER CAVEMAN. LEARN TO SPEAK CAVEMAN. WRONG THREAD FOR TINY SCRATCHINGS.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:14 PM

cybrwzrd: It may be an oxymoron to call myself this - but I think I am a progressive libertarian. I will always deeply believe that limited government is the best way to govern, with as few laws as necessary to provide for a cohesive society. I also understand that most people are greedy assholes and will abuse any political system to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Due to this, there needs to be a safety net to prevent the powerful/rich from abusing the weak/poor. The powerful/rich also need to be prevented from gaining too much power by stacking the deck in their own favor by buying politicians - even if it means sky-high taxes to prevent massive wealth accumulation and policies that prevent intergenerational wealth transfer.


I know that the left tries to portray libertarianism as the belief system of right wing religious loonies and fascist-capitalists, but both of these groups want to use the rule of law to benefit their agenda. There is nothing libertarian about allowing looters of any group (in this case the investor class/corporate types and religious fanatics) to use the force of law to stack the deck in their favor. These people are no more Libertarian than Evangelicals are Christian. These types believe that freedom is the right to never be held accountable for doing the wrong thing as long as you benefit from doing the wrong thing. Rand herself would be against that - it is called irrational selfishness or greed.


In my younger days I was an objectivist. I still am in many ways. I do believe in the Randian idea of rational selfishness. That is - doing what is best for yourself as long as it does not harm another. If you are a liberal and you think that you know the actual philosophy behind Objectivism just from osmosis by reading about it as told by looter-objectivists (most "Libertarians", tea party members, facist-capitalists, etc) then you might as well have formed your opinions about Judasim as told by the Iranians. The whole idea of objectivis ...


Ahh! get off Fark now! You're making too much sense, and you'll be severely beaten.
 
2013-06-14 03:18:01 PM

Gulper Eel: IF


I found a flaw in your argument.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:06 PM

Kittypie070: iawai: NEEK HAVE NO REASON TO TRUST BIG CAVE. BIG CAVE HAS DONE GOOD, BUT IT COME FROM BAD PLACE. NEEK WANT KNOW WHAT GOOD HAPPEN WITHOUT BIG CAVE DOING BAD FIRST. NEEK WILL HELP GROG AND THAG AND ALL STOP BAD THAT BIG CAVE NOT EVEN STOP NOW.

GREAT WORD OF ELDERS IS BAD PLACE!!??


ONLY ELDERS SAY THEIR WORD IS GREAT. ONLY ROCKS SPENT ON DOING GOOD COME FROM CAVE OF NEEK. ELDERS KEEP MANY ROCKS BEFORE DO GOOD.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:54 PM

Z-clipped: Libertarianism is a position based on oversimplifications and naive assumptions about human nature.  I find most libertarians to be a bit silly with regard to the real-world implications of their philosophy, but I wouldn't really call them "obnoxious assholes".


TONDA JUST WANT TAKE OVER GOVERNMENT THEN LEAVE EVERYONE ALONE. ALSO JUST GET RID OF RULES OF FAIR GAME SO TONDA ASSURED MOST SHINY ROCKS, SINCE TONDA ALREADY HAVE MORE SHINY ROCKS THAN OTHERS. TONDA KNOW THAT TONDA EARN PILE OF SHINY ROCKS WHEN TONDA BORN, SINCE TONDA'S FATHER EARN SHINY ROCKS SAME WAY.
 
2013-06-14 03:21:38 PM
George Carlin was right: people are deathly afraid of freedom. And, they love to talk about how free they are.
 
2013-06-14 03:21:44 PM
MAUG LIKES CYBRWZRD. SPEAK MOAR.

WILL NOT BEAT.

ALSO SHALL NOT BEAT NEEK. MERELY POKE.
 
2013-06-14 03:22:27 PM

gameshowhost: Z-clipped: Libertarianism is a position based on oversimplifications and naive assumptions about human nature.  I find most libertarians to be a bit silly with regard to the real-world implications of their philosophy, but I wouldn't really call them "obnoxious assholes".

TONDA JUST WANT TAKE OVER GOVERNMENT THEN LEAVE EVERYONE ALONE. ALSO JUST GET RID OF RULES OF FAIR GAME SO TONDA ASSURED MOST SHINY ROCKS, SINCE TONDA ALREADY HAVE MORE SHINY ROCKS THAN OTHERS. TONDA KNOW THAT TONDA EARN PILE OF SHINY ROCKS WHEN TONDA BORN, SINCE TONDA'S FATHER EARN SHINY ROCKS SAME WAY.


TONDA SILLY IF TONDA THINK BIG CAVE MAKE FAIR RULES. GOOD FOR TONDA FINDING BIG ROCKS. TONDA GIVE THEM IF TONDA WANT TO EAT. TONDA CAN'T EAT ROCKS.
 
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