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(Al Jazeera)   It turns out Japan is now getting around its constitutional ban on a navy by calling their new ship part of a "self-defense force with serving members." What could possibly go wrong?   (aljazeera.com) divider line 37
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2013-06-14 09:10:33 AM
6 votes:
I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.
2013-06-14 09:30:12 AM
5 votes:

doglover: They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.


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I wouldn't go around calling that ordinary.

/Seriously, that is one impressively trolltastic attention-whore headline. No wonder the mods approved it. if you're an American, you probably shouldn't be worried about Japan's military-industrial complex running out of control and destroying their country. Hint: you might want to think a little closer to home.

// And you might want to adjust your world-view so WWII is not your reference point for all history. I know it's hard, Susan, but you can rub those two brain cells of yours together.
2013-06-14 09:30:43 AM
4 votes:
Please build the Yamato. I want to see a giant laser before I die.
2013-06-14 08:55:29 AM
4 votes:

dittybopper: /I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.


They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.
2013-06-14 08:50:47 AM
4 votes:
Probably not much.  The nationalism that blinded them in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's doesn't seem to be too much in evidence now, and they'll make a nice naval counter-weight to China.

/I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.
2013-06-14 09:34:47 AM
3 votes:
www.thinkhero.comThey might have a ban on having a navy, but what about a SPACE NAVY!!!

Oh, and some of the shiat we put out for Coast Guard cutters would be able to match most navies around the world.
2013-06-14 12:16:44 PM
2 votes:

utah dude: uh... why do we have aljazeera links up on fark? is drew trying to get himself on a list?


Because it's a better news agency than CNN, MSNBC, and Faux News combined?  That's my guess.
2013-06-14 11:36:55 AM
2 votes:
They'd better hurry up and bolster some defenses... we have a little under two years before this guy shows up...

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2013-06-14 10:50:10 AM
2 votes:

verbaltoxin: verbaltoxin: silverjets: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

You'd think.  But you can bet the Chinese and the Koreans will speak out against this.

When it came to "grievous acts of violence during wartime" I'd say the Germans were on par with the Japanese, if not having surpassed them, but the Germans weren't required to give up their military.

This might be the reason China could have an issue with it.

Fark chucked my link.

http://www.historyinanhour.com/2010/12/13/the-rape-of-nanking-a-summ ar y/


China  killed more of their own people than Japan did, and at this moment is a much larger threat to regional security. Anti-Japanese sentiments at this point are just a political tool for the Chinese leadership to divert attention away from themselves.
2013-06-14 10:48:29 AM
2 votes:
Can they get around the constitutional ban on non-blurry porn?
2013-06-14 09:25:54 AM
2 votes:

doglover: dittybopper: /I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.

They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.


Um, the Japan Maritime SDF is considered one of the most powerful navies in the world, possibly second only to the USN, and has been for at least the last couple of decades.  They're one of the few countries that we sell the Aegis system to, which enables them to be a true blue-water navy.
2013-06-14 09:24:40 AM
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

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I said a military, not our collective sanity.
2013-06-14 09:23:51 AM
2 votes:
What could go wrong? For one thing they could spacefold inside the gravity well of Earth and end up transporting Macross City somewhere near the orbit of Pluto!

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2013-06-14 09:16:48 AM
2 votes:
Maybe they are worried about the whale and dolphin force.
2013-06-14 09:16:37 AM
2 votes:
I just read that Chinese military scholars have decided they might actually own Okinawa, that might have something to do with it.
2013-06-14 03:55:07 PM
1 votes:

utah dude: uh... why do we have aljazeera links up on fark? is drew trying to get himself on a list?


That's a mighty ignorant post, right there...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera
2013-06-14 01:40:34 PM
1 votes:
I don't think it is time to amend their constitution. I think they need to disband their SDF and have thought this for quite some time. If another country wants to go terrorize Japan, rape their citizens, kill them, etc? They should have as easy a time as possible doing so. I will consider changing my mind when they stop worshiping war criminals. That may not be enough for me to change my mind though. Oh, and Okinawa? That belongs to us. We earned it.
2013-06-14 12:49:16 PM
1 votes:

ModernLuddite: Is pleased:
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/Better not be obscure.



"Life is coincidence ruined by sanity."
2013-06-14 12:23:35 PM
1 votes:

woodstock827: As a Chinese, I won't feel OK with until Japan at least formally recognize the war crimes they commited during the WWII. I'm sure most Japanese people are fine, but the number of right wing nutsy in Japan politics is alarming. One recent example being comfort women being a "necessity" in war time. I also understand that most Japanese don't know of things that Japan did during WWII because it's not taught in school or things are heavily prettied over. It's really hard to trust them when many of the ones in power still deny the existence/scale of the Nanking Massacre or comfort women.

Sure China has its issues as well, but that's a separate topic.


Japan has recognized the war crimes and has apologized multiple times. Sure, once in a while an old geezer in government says something stupid again. Just like there are still some hardcore communists left in the government in China.

But as an Asian you should be able to recognize that the reasons that Japan doesn't admit their mistakes with more effort is exactly the reason why people in China ignore the fact that their grandparents where red guards and murderers.  This is because they share the same cultural background, confucianism, guilt vs. shame etc.

The simple fact is that China wouldn't be where it is today without the billions of aid that Japan paid in reparations. All of the infrastructure that was built in the 80's and early 90's that enabled China to escape from economic obscurity where built with Japanese money.
2013-06-14 10:57:57 AM
1 votes:
Good. WWII is over. I'm tired of paying for Japan's national defense. Let their own tax payers keep them save from invasion. And let's get out of Germany and 20 other stable democracies while we're at it.
2013-06-14 10:31:22 AM
1 votes:
Heh.

There is a pretty big movement in the Japanese Government right now to do away with the SDF and make the military a full fledged, well, military. The Defense Minster supports this and there's a good chance he will be the next PM. It's a move that's gaining some serious public traction with the NoRKs getting all squirrelly and China becoming a bigger player in the region.

There's a underlying current amongst the SDF and the Government that Japan needs a military in order to keep pace with China for influence in East Asia. The SDF is well trained and very well equipped. Serving in the SDF is no longer the stigma is once was either. If they wanted too, Japan could very easily have a nuclear armed force inside of five years.

The US is encouraging this as well because the SDF is one of the few forces in the world that meets or exceeds US standard.

One of my students was a contractor with the SDF for a long time; he has some really interesting stories. And yes, many of the top commanders are the sons of IJA and IJN Admirals and Generals, how did you know?

The real SDF would probably build a Mecha Godzilla to fight off real Godzilla. They're pretty badass, actually.
2013-06-14 10:19:38 AM
1 votes:
We've have land, air and sea military forces since the occupation ended, they're just called "self-defense forces". Japan has one of the world's biggest military budgets, and has for many years (currently #5 behind US, China, Russia and UK).

America has been pushing for Japan to revise the constitution and overturn article 9 (the 'no military beyond self-defense' bit) since the Korean War. Once they were certain Japan was firmly on their side, they wanted as many guns as possible pointed at the Commies. Some of the loudest biatching about it came during the first Gulf War: 'our boys are laying down their lives, why do the Japs (and the Krauts) think they can just get off with writing a check?" Uhh, because our constitution forbids us from doing any more. You wrote it, remember?

Did my eyes deceive me, or was China claiming to be concerned by our military aggression? What's the hanzi for 'chutzpah'?
2013-06-14 09:55:09 AM
1 votes:

Source4leko: Wow, quote fail there. Sorry all.


There was lots of fail in that post.
2013-06-14 09:51:43 AM
1 votes:
jaylectricity

Why can't America have a Self-Defense Force of their own?


The United States will never have a unified force. The different branches of the armed forces are just too different from each other. For example, if you tell the Navy to secure a building, they'll shell it, send in the Marines to secure and then Sea Bees to rebuild. If you tell the Army to secure a building, they'll send in the Special Forces and then engineers to reinforce it and infantry to establish perimeter defenses.

But if you tell the Air Force to secure a building, they'll sign a 99 lease on it with an option after 75 years to buy.
2013-06-14 09:46:17 AM
1 votes:

silverjets: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

You'd think.  But you can bet the Chinese and the Koreans will speak out against this.

When it came to "grievous acts of violence during wartime" I'd say the Germans were on par with the Japanese, if not having surpassed them, but the Germans weren't required to give up their military.


It wasn't ingrained into their constitution, but West Germany didn't have a military for 10 years after WWII.  (And even then, that was a military necessity to counter the Warsaw Pact.)  To their credit, they have also been far more open and contrite about their actions during WWII than Japan has.
2013-06-14 09:37:16 AM
1 votes:
Post more funny Japanese pictures
2013-06-14 09:35:29 AM
1 votes:
Everyone who signed that treaty is dead now.
Isn't that how it works?

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2013-06-14 09:33:48 AM
1 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

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Oh man, I want the tanuki suit for Hallowe'en.

Something tells me that the original version of Super Mario Bros. 3 may have undergone some revision before the American release.
2013-06-14 09:31:07 AM
1 votes:

Arkanaut: doglover: dittybopper: /I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.

They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.

Um, the Japan Maritime SDF is considered one of the most powerful navies in the world, possibly second only to the USN, and has been for at least the last couple of decades.  They're one of the few countries that we sell the Aegis system to, which enables them to be a true blue-water navy.


Don't you bring your filthy facts into this conversation.
2013-06-14 09:30:45 AM
1 votes:
They are a stone's throw away from China and Best Korea, two countries that would like to remove Japan from the map.

There are a lot of Japanese who feel that the US can't/won't defend them if China or NK decide to invade.

I really don't blame them for wanting a stronger military.
2013-06-14 09:28:23 AM
1 votes:

doglover: They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.


Japan's really one of the few countries capable of defending themselves without totally relying on us.  Their forces, particularly the air force (JASDF) and navy (JMSDF), are exceptionally well trained and equipped.  The only thing that's caused a little rattle amongst the tinfoil hat crowd is that now they've got a  couple of legitimate light aircraft carriers in the 20,000 ton range capable of operating (but not currently equipped with) VTOL aircraft like the Harrier or  F-35B.

Oh, and here's a hint for subby.  Japan's had a postwar navy since 1952.
2013-06-14 09:25:50 AM
1 votes:
Subby; you realize they've been doing this for...  What, 60 years?
2013-06-14 09:25:40 AM
1 votes:
"with serving members"

High school girls in maid uniforms? /DNRTFA
2013-06-14 09:21:43 AM
1 votes:
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific."

----- George W. Bush

/so I'm not worried about this.
2013-06-14 09:21:34 AM
1 votes:
They could contribute to regional stability since WWII ended like 70 years ago and everyone involved that the conflict is dead or almost dead?
2013-06-14 09:17:06 AM
1 votes:

James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.


Yeah, anyone who is worried about this is probably a paranoid looney
2013-06-14 09:08:30 AM
1 votes:
Why can't America have a Self-Defense Force of their own?
 
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