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(Al Jazeera)   It turns out Japan is now getting around its constitutional ban on a navy by calling their new ship part of a "self-defense force with serving members." What could possibly go wrong?   (aljazeera.com) divider line 156
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2013-06-14 08:50:47 AM
Probably not much.  The nationalism that blinded them in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's doesn't seem to be too much in evidence now, and they'll make a nice naval counter-weight to China.

/I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:29 AM

dittybopper: /I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.


They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.
 
2013-06-14 09:08:30 AM
Why can't America have a Self-Defense Force of their own?
 
2013-06-14 09:10:33 AM
I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.
 
2013-06-14 09:16:37 AM
I just read that Chinese military scholars have decided they might actually own Okinawa, that might have something to do with it.
 
2013-06-14 09:16:48 AM
Maybe they are worried about the whale and dolphin force.
 
2013-06-14 09:17:03 AM

jaylectricity: Why can't America have a Self-Defense Force of their own?


Run by Homeland Security, maybe?
 
2013-06-14 09:17:06 AM

James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.


Yeah, anyone who is worried about this is probably a paranoid looney
 
2013-06-14 09:20:32 AM

jaylectricity: Why can't America have a Self-Defense Force of their own?


Second amendment solutions?
 
2013-06-14 09:21:26 AM
They have had a military for years. It does however, seem ineffective keeping out Godzilla.

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2013-06-14 09:21:34 AM
They could contribute to regional stability since WWII ended like 70 years ago and everyone involved that the conflict is dead or almost dead?
 
2013-06-14 09:21:43 AM
"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times. From that alliance has come an era of peace in the Pacific."

----- George W. Bush

/so I'm not worried about this.
 
2013-06-14 09:23:44 AM

James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.


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2013-06-14 09:23:47 AM

dmars: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

Yeah, anyone who is worried about this is probably a paranoid looney


A disturbingly large chunk of the international community.
 
2013-06-14 09:23:51 AM
What could go wrong? For one thing they could spacefold inside the gravity well of Earth and end up transporting Macross City somewhere near the orbit of Pluto!

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2013-06-14 09:24:40 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

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I said a military, not our collective sanity.
 
2013-06-14 09:25:40 AM
"with serving members"

High school girls in maid uniforms? /DNRTFA
 
2013-06-14 09:25:50 AM
Subby; you realize they've been doing this for...  What, 60 years?
 
2013-06-14 09:25:54 AM

doglover: dittybopper: /I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.

They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.


Um, the Japan Maritime SDF is considered one of the most powerful navies in the world, possibly second only to the USN, and has been for at least the last couple of decades.  They're one of the few countries that we sell the Aegis system to, which enables them to be a true blue-water navy.
 
2013-06-14 09:26:00 AM
I wonder what worst Korea thinks of this.  The only country that I can think of that would not like this move.
 
2013-06-14 09:28:23 AM

doglover: They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.


Japan's really one of the few countries capable of defending themselves without totally relying on us.  Their forces, particularly the air force (JASDF) and navy (JMSDF), are exceptionally well trained and equipped.  The only thing that's caused a little rattle amongst the tinfoil hat crowd is that now they've got a  couple of legitimate light aircraft carriers in the 20,000 ton range capable of operating (but not currently equipped with) VTOL aircraft like the Harrier or  F-35B.

Oh, and here's a hint for subby.  Japan's had a postwar navy since 1952.
 
2013-06-14 09:30:12 AM

doglover: They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.


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I wouldn't go around calling that ordinary.

/Seriously, that is one impressively trolltastic attention-whore headline. No wonder the mods approved it. if you're an American, you probably shouldn't be worried about Japan's military-industrial complex running out of control and destroying their country. Hint: you might want to think a little closer to home.

// And you might want to adjust your world-view so WWII is not your reference point for all history. I know it's hard, Susan, but you can rub those two brain cells of yours together.
 
2013-06-14 09:30:43 AM
Please build the Yamato. I want to see a giant laser before I die.
 
2013-06-14 09:30:44 AM
Subby is scared.    Ooooooooo...  ships with guns.   Oh nooesss.
 
2013-06-14 09:30:45 AM
They are a stone's throw away from China and Best Korea, two countries that would like to remove Japan from the map.

There are a lot of Japanese who feel that the US can't/won't defend them if China or NK decide to invade.

I really don't blame them for wanting a stronger military.
 
2013-06-14 09:31:07 AM

Arkanaut: doglover: dittybopper: /I thought Japan already had a professional Navy.

They do. Ours.

They've also got the SDF, which is just an ordinary military with a different name.

Um, the Japan Maritime SDF is considered one of the most powerful navies in the world, possibly second only to the USN, and has been for at least the last couple of decades.  They're one of the few countries that we sell the Aegis system to, which enables them to be a true blue-water navy.


Don't you bring your filthy facts into this conversation.
 
2013-06-14 09:32:40 AM
uh... why do we have aljazeera links up on fark? is drew trying to get himself on a list?
 
2013-06-14 09:33:18 AM
Yes, yes, and the reunification of Germany was supposed to bring about the second-coming of Hitler, remember?
 
2013-06-14 09:33:38 AM
Geez subby, take a Xanax and change those Huggies. All the legitimate dangers in the world and you're worried about Japan?

Besides, they're going to unleash Godzilla on us when they seek their revenge.
 
2013-06-14 09:33:48 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

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Oh man, I want the tanuki suit for Hallowe'en.

Something tells me that the original version of Super Mario Bros. 3 may have undergone some revision before the American release.
 
2013-06-14 09:34:47 AM
www.thinkhero.comThey might have a ban on having a navy, but what about a SPACE NAVY!!!

Oh, and some of the shiat we put out for Coast Guard cutters would be able to match most navies around the world.
 
2013-06-14 09:35:29 AM
Everyone who signed that treaty is dead now.
Isn't that how it works?

Native.
 
2013-06-14 09:37:16 AM
Post more funny Japanese pictures
 
2013-06-14 09:41:17 AM

James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.


You'd think.  But you can bet the Chinese and the Koreans will speak out against this.

When it came to "grievous acts of violence during wartime" I'd say the Germans were on par with the Japanese, if not having surpassed them, but the Germans weren't required to give up their military.
 
2013-06-14 09:41:40 AM

Lundah: Yes, yes, and the reunification of Germany was supposed to bring about the second-coming of Hitler, remember?


Why would Germany need a 2nd Hitler when every country in Europe gave them control over their finances anyway?

"Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws" - Mayer Rothschild
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild - See more at: http://the-classic-liberal.com/give-me-control-nations-money/#sthash. 1 qD80hZ7.dpuf "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild - See more at: http://the-classic-liberal.com/give-me-control-nations-money/#sthash. 1 qD80hZ7.dpuf

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild - See more at: http://the-classic-liberal.com/give-me-control-nations-money/#sthash. 1 qD80hZ7.dpuf
 
2013-06-14 09:42:23 AM

Source4leko: Lundah: Yes, yes, and the reunification of Germany was supposed to bring about the second-coming of Hitler, remember?

Why would Germany need a 2nd Hitler when every country in Europe gave them control over their finances anyway?

"Give me control of a nations money and I care not who makes it's laws" - Mayer Rothschild
"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild - See more at: http://the-classic-liberal.com/give-me-control-nations-money/#sthash. 1 qD80hZ7.dpuf "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild - See more at: http://the-classic-liberal.com/give-me-control-nations-money/#sthash. 1 qD80hZ7.dpuf

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild - See more at: http://the-classic-liberal.com/give-me-control-nations-money/#sthash. 1 qD80hZ7.dpuf


Wow, quote fail there.  Sorry all.
 
2013-06-14 09:43:12 AM

gestug: Post more funny Japanese pictures


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2013-06-14 09:43:31 AM

Saiga410: I wonder what worst Korea thinks of this.  The only country that I can think of that would not like this move.


Actually, since South Korea is closely allied with the United States (so is Japan, BTW), I suspect that they wouldn't have too much trouble with this.

China, on the other hand, might. It's likely that the expansion of the Japanese Navy would be the result of Beijing's attempt to bolster the Chinese Navy.
 
2013-06-14 09:46:17 AM

silverjets: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

You'd think.  But you can bet the Chinese and the Koreans will speak out against this.

When it came to "grievous acts of violence during wartime" I'd say the Germans were on par with the Japanese, if not having surpassed them, but the Germans weren't required to give up their military.


It wasn't ingrained into their constitution, but West Germany didn't have a military for 10 years after WWII.  (And even then, that was a military necessity to counter the Warsaw Pact.)  To their credit, they have also been far more open and contrite about their actions during WWII than Japan has.
 
2013-06-14 09:47:44 AM
Maybe if they just called their sailors "associates".
 
2013-06-14 09:49:55 AM

Arkanaut: They're one of the few countries that we sell the Aegis system to,


That's my point. We sell them all kinds of good shiat. And vice versa.
 
2013-06-14 09:50:49 AM

tzzhc4: What could go wrong? For one thing they could spacefold inside the gravity well of Earth and end up transporting Macross City somewhere near the orbit of Pluto!

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Came for the Robotech reference. Leaving happy.
 
2013-06-14 09:51:43 AM
jaylectricity

Why can't America have a Self-Defense Force of their own?


The United States will never have a unified force. The different branches of the armed forces are just too different from each other. For example, if you tell the Navy to secure a building, they'll shell it, send in the Marines to secure and then Sea Bees to rebuild. If you tell the Army to secure a building, they'll send in the Special Forces and then engineers to reinforce it and infantry to establish perimeter defenses.

But if you tell the Air Force to secure a building, they'll sign a 99 lease on it with an option after 75 years to buy.
 
2013-06-14 09:54:07 AM

doglover: Arkanaut: They're one of the few countries that we sell the Aegis system to,

That's my point. We sell them all kinds of good shiat. And vice versa.


Okay then.  I thought by "They do - ours" you meant that they rely on the USN to protect them, which hasn't been true for a while now.  I'm sure we still play a role in their defensive plans but they can definitely do a decent enough job on their own.
 
2013-06-14 09:54:45 AM

silverjets: James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.

You'd think.  But you can bet the Chinese and the Koreans will speak out against this.

When it came to "grievous acts of violence during wartime" I'd say the Germans were on par with the Japanese, if not having surpassed them, but the Germans weren't required to give up their military.


Sure, if by "weren't required to give up their military" you mean the Wermacht was disbanded by the Allied occupation forces. Both East and West Germany had no military until 1955, one year after the Japanese officially created the SDF.
 
2013-06-14 09:55:09 AM

Source4leko: Wow, quote fail there. Sorry all.


There was lots of fail in that post.
 
2013-06-14 09:56:10 AM

James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point.  It's been 70 years.


Just because it's paranoid to think that there are flying, invisible space monsters waiting to rip your face off; does not preclude the existence of flying, invisible space monsters waiting to rip your face off.
 
2013-06-14 09:57:03 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Subby; you realize they've been doing this for... What, 60 years?


Yeah, I was going to say; this is not new at all.

James!: I think we can trust the Japanese with a military at this point. It's been 70 years.


At this point, it's not really "our" place to say. What keeps Japan from having a military is not a treaty, but its own constitution; we wrote it, back in the day, but it's theirs to amend. The topic comes up from time to time, but it always gets defeated.
 
2013-06-14 10:01:52 AM

Arkanaut: To their credit, they have also been far more open and contrite about their actions during WWII than Japan has.


Nonsense.  The entire court of Germany was on vacation during 1935-1945.  Ask Poland.  Punch was served.
 
2013-06-14 10:04:44 AM

wildcardjack: [www.thinkhero.com image 850x554]They might have a ban on having a navy, but what about a SPACE NAVY!!!


Sign me up!  My older brother is waiting for me!
 
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