Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, keep screaming about how uniquely threatened Israel was and ignoring the clear historic parallels. That will prove that you aren't an irrational ultra-nationalist.
Philip Francis Queeg: It goes without saying that when survival is threatened, struggles erupt between peoples, and unfortunate wars between nations result.
Philip Francis Queeg: During this period, Japan's peaceful commercial relations were successively obstructed, primarily by the American rupture of commercial relations, and this was a grave threat to the survival of Japan
Philip Francis Queeg: liam76: When you strike back at a Rocket launcher that is not 'initiating' violence.What is it when you launch a missile into an apartment building because a specific individual may be in there?liam76: Winning quickly doesn't mean the threat was not real. If the combined Arab armies made headway into their country it could have turned out very differently. At least I can chalk that up to your ignorance of warfare as opposed to the normal double standard on this subject.It shows certainly that the threat was less dire than then certain genocidal doom TTV posits if Israel didn't strike first.liam76: You characterized their taking of land as just for permanent settlements. That ignores the reality that they have. Given back more land than all of Israel, gaza and the WB.And kept the land they wanted for permanent settlements.
Philip Francis Queeg: Ultra-nationalists like you accept those justifications without question.
Philip Francis Queeg: How many miles were IDF from the Arab countries borders in 1967? Were they massed? Oh that's right, they were just as massed and just as close to the borders as the Arab armies were.
Philip Francis Queeg: Correct me then. Please tell me which Israeli military actions you condemn as unjustified.
Philip Francis Queeg: Every aggressor very, very clearly states why it's particular acts of aggression are justified.
Philip Francis Queeg: Israel had a gun pointed at other countries heads in 1967 as well.
Philip Francis Queeg: It was an act of aggression. You clearly believe that act was wholly justified
Philip Francis Queeg: as you believe all Israeli military acts to be
Philip Francis Queeg: The Japanese thought they were justified. The US thought it was justified
Philip Francis Queeg: Unlike you, I am not so blinded by nationalism to be unable to admit that.
Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, I understand aggression. Aggression is when you start shooting at the other guys before they start shooting at you.
Philip Francis Queeg: Preemptive attacks are not defense. They are aggression.
Philip Francis Queeg: You seem quite fond of ultra-nationalist propaganda where Israel is concerned.
Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, that's what I said. Israel started the war. Glad to see you understand that.
Philip Francis Queeg: And the history of Israel attacking Syria, and Israel's continued occupation of their territory
Philip Francis Queeg: sure sounds like a reason they might invite an allied nation to station troops there.
Philip Francis Queeg: Israel has the right to defend itself. So do the Syrians. So do the Iranians. I recognize all three of those as facts. You recognize only the first.
Philip Francis Queeg: I was being kind in not mentioning that Israel seized the land in a war Israel started.
Philip Francis Queeg: I guess occupation after aggression and conquest is more acceptable to you than an invited military presence?
jakomo002: liam76: Define "involved". Unless you are limiting it to deploying tropps you are very wrong.Invading another country with their military.
jakomo002: READ STUFF. Israel has been threatening it for years.
Philip Francis Queeg: So has Israel sine 1967. Who has deployed more? Which troops were invited in by the Syrian government?
jakomo002: Not invasions of sovereign land. Not the Iranian military.
jakomo002: Israel has been threatening it for years.
jakomo002: And that's illegal? To support your allies? You drunk already?
jakomo002: Except Iran hasn't been involved in a war of aggression for centuries.
Philip Francis Queeg: Let's look at it from Iran's perspective.A major world power has invaded the countries on both your eastern and western borders, displacing the governments, causing wide spread destruction, and initiating long term military occupations. That very same world power has poor relations with you, and has repeatedly invoked the possibility of military intervention against you.If you were Iran, would it not be logical to seek a military technology that provides a significant deterrent to invasion by that power?
Philip Francis Queeg: Ahmadinejad leaving office.Bin Ladin dead.Chavez dead.The US is in serious danger of running out of bogeymen.
lockers: As opposed to the sane and decent folk in Israel?
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