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(Abc.net.au)   "Peace Walls" in Northern Ireland are to be taken down over the next ten years. In other news, Peace Walls are still up in Northern Ireland to keep the Protestants and Catholics from killing each other   (abc.net.au) divider line 91
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2013-06-14 07:56:20 AM
Religions of Peace?
 
2013-06-14 08:00:55 AM
When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.
 
2013-06-14 08:22:38 AM
Good fences make good neighbors.
 
2013-06-14 08:22:59 AM
This will end badly.
 
2013-06-14 08:29:11 AM
Mister Higgins, clib síos an balla.
 
2013-06-14 08:30:16 AM

edmo: Religions of Peace?


Over in one.
 
2013-06-14 08:31:31 AM

Farce-Side: When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.


Your school's xenophobia probably accomplished something for peace in Northern Ireland.
 
2013-06-14 08:33:07 AM

edmo: Religions of Peace?


Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.
 
2013-06-14 08:35:00 AM
At some point, they're going to have to learn to live next to each other without being at each other's throats...
 
2013-06-14 08:35:47 AM
So...  Israel of the North, huh?
 
2013-06-14 08:36:06 AM

NutWrench: Good fences make good neighbors.


Great poem
 
2013-06-14 08:39:41 AM

Carn: It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.


If your family all goes to the same church, that does not make your family a religious organization.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:27 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Farce-Side: When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.

Your school's xenophobia probably accomplished something for peace in Northern Ireland.


Summer.  No school.  Just good ol' Southern social xenophobia.  I like to think we were responsible for not only making peace between the protestants and catholics, but teaching them to hate not based on minor differences in religion, but on tangible things like skin color and sexual orientation.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:43 AM

Carn: It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.


Let's ask Father Berrigan what he thinks.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:54 AM

Farce-Side: When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.


Pics or it didn't happen.  You know the kind of pics I mean.
 
2013-06-14 08:42:29 AM
I like the picture in the article, too... Wonder if it's quoting the Damien Dempsey song?

Damien Dempsey - It's All Good

But it's all good, it's all good
All I say to you today
It's all good an' sure it's all good
All I say to you today

And positivity, yeah
It is the way for me, yeah
It is truth, it is youth
 
2013-06-14 08:43:18 AM

Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.


I am John, Lord Marbury, Earl of Croy, Marquis of Needham and Dolby, Baronet of Brycey, England's ambassador to the United States, and a terrorist is a terrorist even if he wears a green necktie and sings "Danny Boy". Yes, you can call me John.
 
2013-06-14 08:44:49 AM
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2013-06-14 08:45:25 AM

Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.


You really don't know much about Northern Ireland, do you?
 
2013-06-14 08:46:30 AM

Deep Contact: [a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com image 600x450]


Conditioner. Look into it.
 
2013-06-14 08:46:33 AM

NutWrench: Good fences make good neighbors.


Truer words were never spoke, and the older you get the more you come around to that way of thinking.

My niece lives in an urban area in a condo, she and her boyfriend are doing without a car for a couple of years to save money, they use public trans. The condo came with a driveway and she started allowing a neighbor to use it since she wasn't using it. I told her this was ALWAYS a bad idea. Sure enough, the neighbor now considers the driveway as their property - to the point that recently, when my niece asked them to move their car so a weekend visitor could park there, the neighbor refused saying they "needed" the driveway for one reason or another.

She said "What can I do?"

I said: "Call a farkin' tow truck and have that pile of junk hauled out of there."

Back to Northern Ireland - that's one of those problems that the more you study and read about the situation, the less you understand. My ancestor left Scotland and ended up in Northern Ireland. Knowing a good thing when he saw it, he realized this was far from a good thing and got back on the boat for the passage to America.
 
2013-06-14 08:46:53 AM

Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.


To be fair, there is a small distinction: While muslim extremists want the world to be muslim, if not by peaceful means then otherwise, the IRA, though I'm diametrically opposed to their tactics, believe Northern Ireland is illegally occupied by an oppressive regime.
 
2013-06-14 08:49:35 AM

MemeSlave: Farce-Side: When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.

Pics or it didn't happen.  You know the kind of pics I mean.


Crap I just re-read that.  Middle-school?   No thanks.
 
2013-06-14 08:51:14 AM

Farce-Side: Summer.  No school.  Just good ol' Southern social xenophobia.  I like to think we were responsible for not only making peace between the protestants and catholics, but teaching them to hate not based on minor differences in religion, but on tangible things like skin color and sexual orientation.


When I was about 10 we hosted a pair of boys, one protestant (as we are) and one catholic. The whole thing seemed silly in a way because the whole group of kids in the city got along totally fine with each other. They weren't exactly the bombing and murdering sort. Maybe that's because they were kids still, but who knows. Frankly there would have been more conflict (and perhaps more lasting benefit) if they'd taken a poor white kid from the north and a poor black kid from the south and made them share a bedroom all summer.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:17 AM

Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.


They've still got one? What does their body count look like these days?
I gotta tell you, based on the media coverage the competition is totally kicking their asses.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:50 AM

MemeSlave: Pics or it didn't happen.  You know the kind of pics I mean.


Well dude, middle school was a while ago, like before digital cameras existed, so I'll try to hunt down the negatives from that summer in my mom's attic or some shiat and be sure to mail them to you first class.
 
2013-06-14 08:53:56 AM

MemeSlave: MemeSlave: Farce-Side: When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.

Pics or it didn't happen.  You know the kind of pics I mean.

Crap I just re-read that.  Middle-school?   No thanks.


I was thinking of saying something so I'm glad you did first.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:15 AM
Off topic, but since we're talking about Ireland, my niece just repeated as Irish boxing champ in her weight class.

/way to go Amy!
 
2013-06-14 08:55:21 AM

MemeSlave: MemeSlave: Farce-Side: When we were in middle school, a buddy's family had two Irish girls come stay at his house for the summer, one protestant and one catholic.  Sort of a "Look how tolerant America is" exchange type deal.  They got along great with each other, but everybody else thought they were total biatches, and shunned them socially.

Pics or it didn't happen.  You know the kind of pics I mean.

Crap I just re-read that.  Middle-school?   No thanks.


Too old?
 
2013-06-14 08:55:42 AM
Was there a few years back - the walls were still up and I believe they even closed the gates on the weekends.  For some sort of exchange of Monopoly money with the locals, we even took a bus tour that let us look at the memorial paintings on the sides of the buildings in Northern Ireland.  Apparently, they commemorated the heroes that died for the cause.

/kind of like Anakin.
 
2013-06-14 08:56:03 AM

Crewmannumber6: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

To be fair, there is a small distinction: While muslim extremists want the world to be muslim, if not by peaceful means then otherwise, the IRA, though I'm diametrically opposed to their tactics, believe Northern Ireland is illegally occupied by an oppressive regime.


Actually, most Muslim extremists want to "liberate" Muslim countries from oppressive regimes (in order to impose theocracy). They want the world to be Muslim in the way that evangelical Christians want the world to be Christian. Sort of an ideal goal, but not what all the suicide bombing is about.

The IRA are full of crap. Northern Ireland is majority Protestant, and the majority WANT to remain part of the U.K. There was a lot of anti-Catholic oppression in Northern Ireland that led to the Troubles, but there's no legitimacy to the argument that Northern Ireland is "occupied." When the land was confiscated from Catholics, it was taken from hereditary nobles who inherited it from people who conquered it with the sword. You can't biatch about other nobility kicking your nobility's ass; that's what nobles do.
 
2013-06-14 08:56:55 AM

Crewmannumber6: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

To be fair, there is a small distinction: While muslim extremists want the world to be muslim, if not by peaceful means then otherwise, the IRA, though I'm diametrically opposed to their tactics, believe Northern Ireland is illegally occupied by an oppressive regime.


I'd certainly say the that IRA's cause was more just, but like you say, the tactics not so much.
 
2013-06-14 08:57:34 AM

Cormee: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

You really don't know much about Northern Ireland, do you?


It's on the south side of the island, right?
 
2013-06-14 08:58:16 AM

give me doughnuts: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

They've still got one? What does their body count look like these days?
I gotta tell you, based on the media coverage the competition is totally kicking their asses.


What does it look like at tis height...
 
2013-06-14 08:59:15 AM

mbillips: Crewmannumber6: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

To be fair, there is a small distinction: While muslim extremists want the world to be muslim, if not by peaceful means then otherwise, the IRA, though I'm diametrically opposed to their tactics, believe Northern Ireland is illegally occupied by an oppressive regime.

Actually, most Muslim extremists want to "liberate" Muslim countries from oppressive regimes (in order to impose theocracy). They want the world to be Muslim in the way that evangelical Christians want the world to be Christian. Sort of an ideal goal, but not what all the suicide bombing is about.

The IRA are full of crap. Northern Ireland is majority Protestant, and the majority WANT to remain part of the U.K. There was a lot of anti-Catholic oppression in Northern Ireland that led to the Troubles, but there's no legitimacy to the argument that Northern Ireland is "occupied." When the land was confiscated from Catholics, it was taken from hereditary nobles who inherited it from people who conquered it with the sword. You can't biatch about other nobility kicking your nobility's ass; that's what nobles do.


No argument here, I have family on  both sides of the border, mostly in Dundalk (El Paso), and nobody has sympathy for the IRA or their cause. They see them as we in the states see the mafia.
 
2013-06-14 08:59:48 AM

give me doughnuts: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

They've still got one? What does their body count look like these days?
I gotta tell you, based on the media coverage the competition is totally kicking their asses.


Maybe they're lulling everyone into a false sense of security.
 
2013-06-14 09:01:49 AM

Carn: Maybe they're lulling everyone into a false sense of security.


Look, matey, I know a dead terrorist group when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
 
2013-06-14 09:03:39 AM

Carn: give me doughnuts: Carn: edmo: Religions of Peace?

Don't be silly, only evil muslims kill each other and blow people up.  It's not like there's a catholic terrorist organization or anything.

They've still got one? What does their body count look like these days?
I gotta tell you, based on the media coverage the competition is totally kicking their asses.

Maybe they're lulling everyone into a false sense of security.


They still have a high command? Can't ask more than that.

/just rewatched it last night
//killing little protestants
 
2013-06-14 09:05:06 AM

OldManDownDRoad: NutWrench: Good fences make good neighbors.

Truer words were never spoke, and the older you get the more you come around to that way of thinking.

My niece lives in an urban area in a condo, she and her boyfriend are doing without a car for a couple of years to save money, they use public trans. The condo came with a driveway and she started allowing a neighbor to use it since she wasn't using it. I told her this was ALWAYS a bad idea. Sure enough, the neighbor now considers the driveway as their property - to the point that recently, when my niece asked them to move their car so a weekend visitor could park there, the neighbor refused saying they "needed" the driveway for one reason or another.

She said "What can I do?"

I said: "Call a farkin' tow truck and have that pile of junk hauled out of there."

Back to Northern Ireland - that's one of those problems that the more you study and read about the situation, the less you understand. My ancestor left Scotland and ended up in Northern Ireland. Knowing a good thing when he saw it, he realized this was far from a good thing and got back on the boat for the passage to America.


There was a semi detached across from where I used to live and the woman didn't have a car but her attached neighbour decided to start parking in her drive way. Her solution: Put big rocks in the middle of her driveway. I think they learned quick
 
2013-06-14 09:05:42 AM

mbillips: The IRA are full of crap. Northern Ireland is majority Protestant, and the majority WANT to remain part of the U.K. There was a lot of anti-Catholic oppression in Northern Ireland that led to the Troubles, but there's no legitimacy to the argument that Northern Ireland is "occupied." When the land was confiscated from Catholics, it was taken from hereditary nobles who inherited it from people who conquered it with the sword. You can't biatch about other nobility kicking your nobility's ass; that's what nobles do


I agree with the sentiment that it was long enough ago, however the fighing for Ireland when England was taking it over wasn't noble vs noble.
 
2013-06-14 09:06:14 AM
My cousin was the principal of the first integrated school in Belfast. Upon hearing this I asked "There are black people in Ireland?"

Dumb American I guess, but it was very foreign to me to have the state divide schools along religious lines.
 
2013-06-14 09:06:50 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Carn: Maybe they're lulling everyone into a false sense of security.

Look, matey, I know a dead terrorist group when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.


An ex-terrorist group?
 
2013-06-14 09:07:14 AM

liam76: mbillips: The IRA are full of crap. Northern Ireland is majority Protestant, and the majority WANT to remain part of the U.K. There was a lot of anti-Catholic oppression in Northern Ireland that led to the Troubles, but there's no legitimacy to the argument that Northern Ireland is "occupied." When the land was confiscated from Catholics, it was taken from hereditary nobles who inherited it from people who conquered it with the sword. You can't biatch about other nobility kicking your nobility's ass; that's what nobles do

I agree with the sentiment that it was long enough ago, however the fighing for Ireland when England was taking it over wasn't noble vs noble.


Plantation. English ascendancy displacing entire regions of natives in a land grab.
 
2013-06-14 09:07:41 AM

give me doughnuts: They've still got one? What does their body count look like these days?


Like this

static.guim.co.uk

Though you're right that the prods are far more active these days. Not so much to keep NI in the UK - that's agreed for the foreseeable future - but to protect and expand their drug dealing patches.
 
2013-06-14 09:10:48 AM

ronaprhys: Was there a few years back - the walls were still up and I believe they even closed the gates on the weekends


They even have fences across at least one park, to remove any possibility of children from the two communities playing together, making friends and all that sort of terrible, subversive stuff that children do.

www.dw.de
 
2013-06-14 09:11:53 AM
Whatever your opinion of the troubles, there are two movies you should see
Omagh
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408056/?ref_=sr_1

and Five Minutes Of Heaven
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1238291/?ref_=sr_1
 
2013-06-14 09:12:07 AM

orbister: give me doughnuts: They've still got one? What does their body count look like these days?

Like this

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Though you're right that the prods are far more active these days. Not so much to keep NI in the UK - that's agreed for the foreseeable future - but to protect and expand their drug dealing patches.


1998?

Ok, I will allow 15 years ago as "these days".  I believe that was the biggest loss of life from a catholic terrorist bombings.  They also called ahead as a warning.  Want to compare that to muslim bombings inthe last month?
 
2013-06-14 09:14:51 AM

orbister: Like this


You do realise that was about 25 years ago?
 
2013-06-14 09:16:46 AM

R.A.Danny: Dumb American I guess, but it was very foreign to me to have the state divide schools along religious lines.


We have that division in Scotland too, and it causes very similar problems, particularly in the west. Recently a shared campus was proposed for tim and prod schools near Edinburgh, but the Catholic Church vetoed the design because the two (otherwise wholly separate) teaching staffs were to share toilets. It's a lovely message to give children, isn't it? Those other children are so foul, so sinful, so polluting, that even to have the people who teach them wash their hands in the same place as the people who teach you might transmit the vileness to you.

As a born, bred and resident Scot I detest segregated education more than anything else about my country, which is generally a good place to live.
 
2013-06-14 09:17:19 AM
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