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2013-06-14 02:34:45 AM
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soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?
2013-06-14 06:33:26 AM
3 votes:
You know, women. You want to be treated equally? How about you start by taking some farking responsibility and quit blaming men for all your woes. That would be a good start. Then we can talk about all the perks you get just for having tits.
2013-06-14 06:58:15 AM
2 votes:

Shadowknight: phalamir: That's not really true.  Pre-modern life expectancy factors in simply horrid childhood mortality (in comparison, we actually have a separate category just for under-1yo, because they skew the results so bad, even today).  Reaching 20 might have been a chore back in ye olde dayes, but the person who did had about as good a chance of hitting 50 as you or I.  They had some ways of dying that we just don't care about, but we have ways of kicking off that would never occur to them (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear).  Menopause probably had more to do with the fact we effectively have extreme preemies compared to every other primate - an extra pseudo-mother, who didn't have to worry about her own wee bairns, to dote on the useless parasite greatly increased the chances of survival by taking a load off the actual mother.  "Nana" was probably the factor that kicked your chances from "Just kill yourself now, kiddo" up to "Well, you sorta kinda maybe will live long enough to develop pubic hair"

All good and fair points, I suppose, but I would still maintain that life expectancy and even fertility was never meant to go as far as it has in the modern medical age.


There is no "meant to".  Evolution doesn't work like that.  There is no conscious master plan with the endpoint predetermined.  Chance coupled with environmental pressure leads to changes - as long as they lead to better survival, that makes them good.  Humans essentially pop out early fetuses compared to other animals, and especially other primates.  We have to, or we would all have 5-foot wide pelvises to allow our noggins to fit down the vagina (go measure up a 1st grader; now do the engineering to get that out of a woman, paying special attention to the pelvis).  Absurdly helpless young - who develop at an even more absurd rate (which is all actually good, because our brains get to develop like no other as a result) - means a very high investment for the mother.  If a few women started living even a few years longer without the chance of themselves bearing (and thus having to be doing all the investment themselves), their daughters are going to have a better chance of getting a child to farking age, because the investment is being shared.  That would make the chance of that trait being passed skyrocket.  On the other hand, men only farking girls too  young to buy beer isn't going to do anything to women's fertility.  There is no advantage for a woman to stop pumping out eggs at 50 versus keeping going, so there would be no selection bias.  Actually, stopping at 50 would be dumb under this guy's scenario.  Women should be hitting menopause at 25 or so, since they wouldn't breed according to him.  50-odd says that the age of the women hitting menopause is important, not the age of the women getting hit on in kindergarten.
2013-06-14 06:16:07 AM
2 votes:

lewismarktwo: Nah, it's cause old people make tarded babies.


Another symptom of the fact that our technical progress has vastly outpaced our biological evolution.  Just because we CAN have kids well into the later years doesn't mean you should be or that we were not designed to do so.  

Biologically, we should be dead by 40.  We aren't that physically durable without our technology to do so.
2013-06-14 06:15:20 AM
2 votes:

lewismarktwo: Nah, it's cause old people make tarded babies.


Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives.

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2013-06-14 12:33:17 AM
2 votes:
That's what Ashley Madison is for amiright?
2013-06-14 11:37:32 AM
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: quickdraw: think women over 50 aren't having sex?

One hopes. Sex is for the young.

Old people having sex is like watching an old toothless cat trying to hunt.


A self-described "life extension nutter" who hopes to stop having sex before 50?  Now I'm just sad for future you.
2013-06-14 08:38:20 AM
1 votes:
2013-06-14 07:09:44 AM
1 votes:
no real research, no true science
blame the mens

souds perfectly reasonable
2013-06-14 06:54:04 AM
1 votes:
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2013-06-14 06:39:12 AM
1 votes:

doglover: phalamir: (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear)

Honestly, between cancer and a cave bear, I know which one I'd choose and an oncologist would be useless.


So, cancer.
2013-06-14 06:35:54 AM
1 votes:

Shadowknight: quickdraw: soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?

Evolutionarily speaking, There wouldn't be much point to pro rating beyond that point anyway. Without modern medicine, protective devices, tools... just looking at us as biological machines, the animals we really are, our life expectancy wouldn't be much higher than that of menopause anyway. We'd be dead of animal attack, infection, starvation, or any number of reasons well before a lady's baby factory shuttered it's windows and locked it's doors


That's not really true.  Pre-modern life expectancy factors in simply horrid childhood mortality (in comparison, we actually have a separate category just for under-1yo, because they skew the results so bad, even today).  Reaching 20 might have been a chore back in ye olde dayes, but the person who did had about as good a chance of hitting 50 as you or I.  They had some ways of dying that we just don't care about, but we have ways of kicking off that would never occur to them (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear).  Menopause probably had more to do with the fact we effectively have extreme preemies compared to every other primate - an extra pseudo-mother, who didn't have to worry about her own wee bairns, to dote on the useless parasite greatly increased the chances of survival by taking a load off the actual mother.  "Nana" was probably the factor that kicked your chances from "Just kill yourself now, kiddo" up to "Well, you sorta kinda maybe will live long enough to develop pubic hair"
2013-06-14 06:14:28 AM
1 votes:
He has not done any 'reaearch' into this, he has just said he thinks it is so.

Load of bollocks, in pre-history the alpha males would likely have sex with ALL available females, male sperm is not a limited commodity.
2013-06-14 06:10:30 AM
1 votes:
hot flushes and mood swings

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2013-06-14 06:05:32 AM
1 votes:
Gawd when that day comes I am necking the HRT like they're smarties
 
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