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2013-06-14 12:17:10 AM  
me no pause for nothing
 
2013-06-14 12:33:17 AM  
That's what Ashley Madison is for amiright?
 
2013-06-14 12:58:55 AM  
I'M NOT CRANKY YOU'RE CRANKY!!!
 
2013-06-14 02:34:45 AM  
soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?
 
2013-06-14 04:31:37 AM  

quickdraw: soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?


Evolutionarily speaking, There wouldn't be much point to pro rating beyond that point anyway. Without modern medicine, protective devices, tools... just looking at us as biological machines, the animals we really are, our life expectancy wouldn't be much higher than that of menopause anyway. We'd be dead of animal attack, infection, starvation, or any number of reasons well before a lady's baby factory shuttered it's windows and locked it's doors
 
2013-06-14 06:03:54 AM  

Shadowknight: quickdraw: soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?

Evolutionarily speaking, There wouldn't be much point to pro rating beyond that point anyway. Without modern medicine, protective devices, tools... just looking at us as biological machines, the animals we really are, our life expectancy wouldn't be much higher than that of menopause anyway. We'd be dead of animal attack, infection, starvation, or any number of reasons well before a lady's baby factory shuttered it's windows and locked it's doors


Nah, it's cause old people make tarded babies.
 
2013-06-14 06:04:06 AM  
You got real old, babe.
 
2013-06-14 06:05:32 AM  
Gawd when that day comes I am necking the HRT like they're smarties
 
2013-06-14 06:05:51 AM  
Normally I'd reject this idea since it's from the Daily Fail.  However, I wouldn't put it past radical feminists to blame us for it.  Hell, they're trying to figure out how to blame men for the extinction of the dinosaurs.

/note: radical feminist != feminist
 
2013-06-14 06:07:47 AM  
Hehe. The Brits say "hot flushes" instead of "hot flashes".

/poop
 
2013-06-14 06:09:14 AM  

lewismarktwo: Shadowknight: quickdraw: soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?

Evolutionarily speaking, There wouldn't be much point to pro rating beyond that point anyway. Without modern medicine, protective devices, tools... just looking at us as biological machines, the animals we really are, our life expectancy wouldn't be much higher than that of menopause anyway. We'd be dead of animal attack, infection, starvation, or any number of reasons well before a lady's baby factory shuttered it's windows and locked it's doors

Nah, it's cause old people make tarded babies.


It does skyrocket Down's syndrome chances. Also, Dead Mommy Complex.
 
2013-06-14 06:10:30 AM  
hot flushes and mood swings

geekmontage.comwww.anorak.co.uk
 
2013-06-14 06:13:39 AM  
This is also on BBC's site and I'm gonna quote a CSB post from there:

"Many years ago my mate was working abroad.
One weekend, while my mate was away, his wife decided to visit her parents. On the way she mistimed her exit off the motorway, hit the raised kerb and rolled the car. No injuries but the car was written off.
Can you guess whose fault it was?
Yep. My mates - because if he had been in the UK she wouldn't have gone to see her parents and crashed."
 
2013-06-14 06:14:28 AM  
He has not done any 'reaearch' into this, he has just said he thinks it is so.

Load of bollocks, in pre-history the alpha males would likely have sex with ALL available females, male sperm is not a limited commodity.
 
2013-06-14 06:15:20 AM  

lewismarktwo: Nah, it's cause old people make tarded babies.


Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives.

i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-14 06:16:07 AM  

lewismarktwo: Nah, it's cause old people make tarded babies.


Another symptom of the fact that our technical progress has vastly outpaced our biological evolution.  Just because we CAN have kids well into the later years doesn't mean you should be or that we were not designed to do so.  

Biologically, we should be dead by 40.  We aren't that physically durable without our technology to do so.
 
2013-06-14 06:16:35 AM  

gaspode: male sperm is not a limited commodity.


It's true, I have tested this to its boundaries.
 
2013-06-14 06:18:58 AM  

Lady J: Gawd when that day comes I am necking the HRT like they're smarties


Enjoy your cancer.
 
2013-06-14 06:19:51 AM  

thamike: gaspode: male sperm is not a limited commodity.

It's true, I have tested this to its boundaries.


I don't know why, but I thought of this.
 
2013-06-14 06:33:26 AM  
You know, women. You want to be treated equally? How about you start by taking some farking responsibility and quit blaming men for all your woes. That would be a good start. Then we can talk about all the perks you get just for having tits.
 
2013-06-14 06:33:52 AM  
Killer whales?
 
2013-06-14 06:35:54 AM  

Shadowknight: quickdraw: soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?

Evolutionarily speaking, There wouldn't be much point to pro rating beyond that point anyway. Without modern medicine, protective devices, tools... just looking at us as biological machines, the animals we really are, our life expectancy wouldn't be much higher than that of menopause anyway. We'd be dead of animal attack, infection, starvation, or any number of reasons well before a lady's baby factory shuttered it's windows and locked it's doors


That's not really true.  Pre-modern life expectancy factors in simply horrid childhood mortality (in comparison, we actually have a separate category just for under-1yo, because they skew the results so bad, even today).  Reaching 20 might have been a chore back in ye olde dayes, but the person who did had about as good a chance of hitting 50 as you or I.  They had some ways of dying that we just don't care about, but we have ways of kicking off that would never occur to them (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear).  Menopause probably had more to do with the fact we effectively have extreme preemies compared to every other primate - an extra pseudo-mother, who didn't have to worry about her own wee bairns, to dote on the useless parasite greatly increased the chances of survival by taking a load off the actual mother.  "Nana" was probably the factor that kicked your chances from "Just kill yourself now, kiddo" up to "Well, you sorta kinda maybe will live long enough to develop pubic hair"
 
2013-06-14 06:36:12 AM  

abhorrent1: You know, women. You want to be treated equally? How about you start by taking some farking responsibility and quit blaming men for all your woes. That would be a good start. Then we can talk about all the perks you get just for having tits.


Hey now, I have man tits and I don't get any perks at all.  Unless you count awkward sweat marks as perks, I guess.
 
2013-06-14 06:37:00 AM  

abhorrent1: You know, women. You want to be treated equally? How about you start by taking some farking responsibility and quit blaming men for all your woes. That would be a good start. Then we can talk about all the perks you get just for having tits.


You do realize that a guy is saying this, not any women, right?
 
2013-06-14 06:37:42 AM  

phalamir: (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear)


Honestly, between cancer and a cave bear, I know which one I'd choose and an oncologist would be useless.
 
2013-06-14 06:38:14 AM  

phalamir: That's not really true.  Pre-modern life expectancy factors in simply horrid childhood mortality (in comparison, we actually have a separate category just for under-1yo, because they skew the results so bad, even today).  Reaching 20 might have been a chore back in ye olde dayes, but the person who did had about as good a chance of hitting 50 as you or I.  They had some ways of dying that we just don't care about, but we have ways of kicking off that would never occur to them (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear).  Menopause probably had more to do with the fact we effectively have extreme preemies compared to every other primate - an extra pseudo-mother, who didn't have to worry about her own wee bairns, to dote on the useless parasite greatly increased the chances of survival by taking a load off the actual mother.  "Nana" was probably the factor that kicked your chances from "Just kill yourself now, kiddo" up to "Well, you sorta kinda maybe will live long enough to develop pubic hair"


All good and fair points, I suppose, but I would still maintain that life expectancy and even fertility was never meant to go as far as it has in the modern medical age.
 
2013-06-14 06:39:12 AM  

doglover: phalamir: (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear)

Honestly, between cancer and a cave bear, I know which one I'd choose and an oncologist would be useless.


So, cancer.
 
2013-06-14 06:40:04 AM  

phalamir: abhorrent1: You know, women. You want to be treated equally? How about you start by taking some farking responsibility and quit blaming men for all your woes. That would be a good start. Then we can talk about all the perks you get just for having tits.

You do realize that a guy is saying this, not any women, right?


He's not a guy.  He's wife took his testicles a long time ago.
 
2013-06-14 06:40:39 AM  

mike_d85: Hehe. The Brits say "hot flushes" instead of "hot flashes".

/poop


Man I had a hot flush yesterday. It was like a stream of boiling chocolate milk shooting out of anus at Mach 4.


I think I must have undercooked those ribs.
 
2013-06-14 06:41:53 AM  

doglover: phalamir: (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear)

Honestly, between cancer and a cave bear, I know which one I'd choose and an oncologist would be useless.


So bears don't deserve medical care? Ass.
 
2013-06-14 06:43:36 AM  

ModernLuddite: So bears don't deserve medical care? Ass.


www.killerbob.com 
/demands a low copay and dental
 
2013-06-14 06:44:14 AM  
Also, everyone, don't GIS "Leather Bear" with safe search off.  Just... just don't, ok?
 
2013-06-14 06:44:30 AM  
"THE menopause"?  Definite article?  I've got to say I've never heard it referred to that way before.
 
2013-06-14 06:44:57 AM  

Shadowknight: Also, everyone, don't GIS "Leather Bear" with safe search off.  Just... just don't, ok?


Why? Are you some kind of homophobe or something?
 
2013-06-14 06:47:28 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Why? Are you some kind of homophobe or something?


Homophobe, no.  But overly weird sex acts of any kind (that I'm not a part of) tend to get my hackles up.  And boy, did that GIS qualify.  I didn't even know you could do that with the end of a bullwhip.
 
2013-06-14 06:47:39 AM  
i112.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 06:48:12 AM  

Shadowknight: Also, everyone, don't GIS "Leather Bear" with safe search off.  Just... just don't, ok?


farm4.staticflickr.com
Not seeing the problem here.
 
2013-06-14 06:50:48 AM  

Shadowknight: I didn't even know you could do that with the end of a bullwhip.


You look a bit too old to have not heard of Robert Mapplethorpe.
 
2013-06-14 06:51:18 AM  

Shadowknight: AverageAmericanGuy: Why? Are you some kind of homophobe or something?

Homophobe, no.  But overly weird sex acts of any kind (that I'm not a part of) tend to get my hackles up.  And boy, did that GIS qualify.  I didn't even know you could do that with the end of a bullwhip.


Admit it, it's pretty obvious in hindsight that you could do that with the bullwhip.
 
2013-06-14 06:51:29 AM  
Ed Grubermann:
Not seeing the problem here.

I don't know why, but that is really cool in a really weird, creepy way.  It'd be like snuggling with either a deflated football, or a human pelt.  Or like laying a leather jacket, I guess.
 
2013-06-14 06:54:04 AM  
memestorage.com
 
2013-06-14 06:55:07 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Robert Mapplethorpe.


Honestly, no idea who that is.  And after what I just saw, I'd rather not do another Google search.  But, hey, let's try...

... That wasn't that bad.  Not my cup o'tea,  but artistically well done.

AverageAmericanGuy: Admit it, it's pretty obvious in hindsight that you could do that with the bullwhip.


Well, sure, NOW.  But I still have to figure out the logistics.  I mean, what kind of tape do you use?  Seems like duct tape would leave a glue residue, scotch and masking would just fall off, and electrical would stretch and contract to the point of painfulness.  

But maybe that's the point.
 
2013-06-14 06:58:15 AM  

Shadowknight: phalamir: That's not really true.  Pre-modern life expectancy factors in simply horrid childhood mortality (in comparison, we actually have a separate category just for under-1yo, because they skew the results so bad, even today).  Reaching 20 might have been a chore back in ye olde dayes, but the person who did had about as good a chance of hitting 50 as you or I.  They had some ways of dying that we just don't care about, but we have ways of kicking off that would never occur to them (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear).  Menopause probably had more to do with the fact we effectively have extreme preemies compared to every other primate - an extra pseudo-mother, who didn't have to worry about her own wee bairns, to dote on the useless parasite greatly increased the chances of survival by taking a load off the actual mother.  "Nana" was probably the factor that kicked your chances from "Just kill yourself now, kiddo" up to "Well, you sorta kinda maybe will live long enough to develop pubic hair"

All good and fair points, I suppose, but I would still maintain that life expectancy and even fertility was never meant to go as far as it has in the modern medical age.


There is no "meant to".  Evolution doesn't work like that.  There is no conscious master plan with the endpoint predetermined.  Chance coupled with environmental pressure leads to changes - as long as they lead to better survival, that makes them good.  Humans essentially pop out early fetuses compared to other animals, and especially other primates.  We have to, or we would all have 5-foot wide pelvises to allow our noggins to fit down the vagina (go measure up a 1st grader; now do the engineering to get that out of a woman, paying special attention to the pelvis).  Absurdly helpless young - who develop at an even more absurd rate (which is all actually good, because our brains get to develop like no other as a result) - means a very high investment for the mother.  If a few women started living even a few years longer without the chance of themselves bearing (and thus having to be doing all the investment themselves), their daughters are going to have a better chance of getting a child to farking age, because the investment is being shared.  That would make the chance of that trait being passed skyrocket.  On the other hand, men only farking girls too  young to buy beer isn't going to do anything to women's fertility.  There is no advantage for a woman to stop pumping out eggs at 50 versus keeping going, so there would be no selection bias.  Actually, stopping at 50 would be dumb under this guy's scenario.  Women should be hitting menopause at 25 or so, since they wouldn't breed according to him.  50-odd says that the age of the women hitting menopause is important, not the age of the women getting hit on in kindergarten.
 
2013-06-14 07:04:07 AM  
The article is simply outright erroneous. All mammalian species will go through menopause if they happen to survive long enough to outlive their ovaries. It rarely happens in the wild, but it sure happens in zoos. Polar bears, chimps, equids, etc.
 
2013-06-14 07:06:28 AM  

Shadowknight: Biologically, we should be dead by 40.  We aren't that physically durable without our technology to do so.


Actually, that's not true.

Most people hear the 'average life expectancy was 40' and don't realize that number is brought down to a very significant degree by the very high infant mortality.

According to this paper, among primitive hunter gatherers, nearly 2/3rds of those who make it out of childhood (age 15) reach the age of 45, and at that age, their expected number of lives left is about 20, so you had a real chance of hitting 'retirement age' if you didn't die in childhood.  The problem is that only something a bit more than 50% make it to age 15, which of course drags those numbers down so the 'average age' is low.
 
2013-06-14 07:06:58 AM  
FTA: Professor Rama Singh, from McMaster University in Canada, thinks the menopause was simply evolution's way of recognising that older women no longer need the ability to have children as men stop wanting to mate with them.

Someone doesn't understand evolution. How would men wanting to breed with young women help the older woman spread her genes?

Menopause is probably helpful in that the grandmother won't be having kids and can instead help raise her grandkids.
 
2013-06-14 07:08:19 AM  

phalamir: Shadowknight: quickdraw: soooo nothing to do with life expectancy and the ability to raise your child then?  Or perhaps that the extreme physical demands that pregnancy, birth and nursing put on the mother? Or that having a whole generation of women who are no longer procreating available to assist in the care of the young?

None of that?

And seriously - does the researcher think women over 50 aren't having sex?

Evolutionarily speaking, There wouldn't be much point to pro rating beyond that point anyway. Without modern medicine, protective devices, tools... just looking at us as biological machines, the animals we really are, our life expectancy wouldn't be much higher than that of menopause anyway. We'd be dead of animal attack, infection, starvation, or any number of reasons well before a lady's baby factory shuttered it's windows and locked it's doors

That's not really true.  Pre-modern life expectancy factors in simply horrid childhood mortality (in comparison, we actually have a separate category just for under-1yo, because they skew the results so bad, even today).  Reaching 20 might have been a chore back in ye olde dayes, but the person who did had about as good a chance of hitting 50 as you or I.  They had some ways of dying that we just don't care about, but we have ways of kicking off that would never occur to them (car deaths, heart failure, and cancers kinda cancel out dysentery, cholera, and cave bear).  Menopause probably had more to do with the fact we effectively have extreme preemies compared to every other primate - an extra pseudo-mother, who didn't have to worry about her own wee bairns, to dote on the useless parasite greatly increased the chances of survival by taking a load off the actual mother.  "Nana" was probably the factor that kicked your chances from "Just kill yourself now, kiddo" up to "Well, you sorta kinda maybe will live long enough to develop pubic hair"


Hitting 50?  Sure.  Hitting 80?  No.
 
2013-06-14 07:09:44 AM  
no real research, no true science
blame the mens

souds perfectly reasonable
 
2013-06-14 07:10:35 AM  
-sounds-

goddamn keyboard all stuck up with my pollywogs
 
2013-06-14 07:12:00 AM  

THX 1138: "THE menopause"?


www.travelsnitch.org

Never "YOUR menopause"...
 
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