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(The Trentonian)   Trenton cop when asked for badge number: "That's my (expletive) badge number right there" after allegedly punching Walmart employee walking home. (Listen to audio)   (trentonian.com) divider line 119
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2013-06-14 07:57:37 AM  
You know, I'm not condoning the way the cops handled this situation (or any number of other incidents we see here on Fark), but I have a serious question. If a report of a man with a gun comes in, can we all agree that the police should look into the matter? If the call gave only a vague description of the man's appearance, what, exactly, are police to do to look into the matter? I can't really see how they have any other option but to stop anyone that resembles, even slightly, the description given in the call reporting the man with the gun.

If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.
 
2013-06-14 08:06:42 AM  
Some of these are right out of the twilight zone.
I've seen four cops beating the snot out of a homeless guy.  There's screaming and fists being thrown and kicking and batons being used and then a fifth cop walks up to a guy getting video of the beating and calmly asks him to move along, nothing to see in this "Just eatin' doughnuts, want one?" voice.

I don't think I'd ever want to be in a personal relationship with a cop.

Is that why they're called "Beat Cops"?
 
2013-06-14 08:08:46 AM  
Man, I wish I had been there, and that farking pig took a swing at me. I would punch him right in his donut-hole. You ain't gonna play me like no sucka.

/No, not really. I would probably thank him, and ask for another.
 
2013-06-14 08:29:41 AM  

theknuckler_33: You know, I'm not condoning the way the cops handled this situation (or any number of other incidents we see here on Fark), but I have a serious question. If a report of a man with a gun comes in, can we all agree that the police should look into the matter? If the call gave only a vague description of the man's appearance, what, exactly, are police to do to look into the matter? I can't really see how they have any other option but to stop anyone that resembles, even slightly, the description given in the call reporting the man with the gun.

If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.


For one, it depends on what exactly the man was doing with the gun.  If he's legally exercising his 2nd amendment rights, the police should ignore the call and tell the concerned citizen to STFU.  If he's waving it around like a madman, yeah the cops better get out there.

That said, just going to the general area and questioning all the black dudes is kind of a problem.  They'd have to just keep an eye out, and make a more solid ID than "20 year old black guy" before interrogating a suspect.
Or just walking up to any nearby civilian (or any nearby civilian) and saying "hey, we got reports of a guy with a gun...you seen him?" wouldn't be unreasonable.
 
2013-06-14 08:34:52 AM  

theknuckler_33: If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.


When are cops going to realize that when they stop someone who is doing something else that their presence is unwelcome? Almost every police encounter begins, from the perspective of the citizen, with 100% too many cops. It's not like people are going into the police station and walking up to the front desk and being jerks. Cops are seeking people out and forcing them to stop what they're doing and interact with them.

People are going to do it, but they're not going to like it.
 
2013-06-14 08:37:16 AM  
So is this kid going to get charged with illegal wiretapping and recording or a police officer? Maybe he should also get charged with assault and battery of an Officer's fist with his face?
 
2013-06-14 08:37:31 AM  
theknuckler_33:
If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.

If you listen to the audio, they engaged the hostile situation first, and he responded completely calmly at first, then he was met with alleged violence. That is when he became belligerent. And unless he was reaching for his safety knife like it was a gun (Hard to prove with just audio, and seeing as they don'tacknowledge it until very late in the clip, he most likely didn't), you do not respond to a calm manasking a calm question as if he was already holding a gun to the guy's head.

They were the only ones creating a dangerous situation.If you think someone might have a gun, the last farking thing you do is hit them and tell them to shut the fark up.

They were clearly being unprofessional in every sense of the word.
 
2013-06-14 08:38:18 AM  
Pick up that can, citizen.
 
2013-06-14 08:39:04 AM  
"Sir, I do not have a gun," Green says. "I don't even own a gun

...let alone many guns that would necessitate an entire rack!"
 
2013-06-14 08:39:27 AM  
WWB
 
2013-06-14 08:40:49 AM  
 
2013-06-14 08:42:09 AM  

theknuckler_33: You know, I'm not condoning the way the cops handled this situation (or any number of other incidents we see here on Fark), but I have a serious question. If a report of a man with a gun comes in, can we all agree that the police should look into the matter? If the call gave only a vague description of the man's appearance, what, exactly, are police to do to look into the matter? I can't really see how they have any other option but to stop anyone that resembles, even slightly, the description given in the call reporting the man with the gun.

If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.


It's completely reasonable for a young black man to presume a cop is there to harass you and make your life hell too.
 
2013-06-14 08:42:56 AM  

OgreMagi: Three things need to happen if the cops ever want to regain the trust of the public.

1. Stop covering for bad cops.
2. No more immunity.  You knowingly fark up on the job, you are personally responsible.
3. Cop unions stops protecting bad cops.  In fact, cops shouldn't have a farking union at all.


Actually unions are forced to protect bad cops if they ask for protection.Otherwise if they could pick and choose you know that they are going to play favorites. Just make it so that prosectuors are encouraged to charge bad cops and that unions don't have to protect cops convicted of a crime that happened on the job and/or a felony.
 
2013-06-14 08:43:24 AM  

Fissile: The mentality of Jersey cops really is no different than your average street thug.

Here are a few recent stories about NJ cops:

NJ cop involved in drug distribution.
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/montclair_cop_tied_to_wide -r anging_drug_and_money_laundering_scheme.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop guns down unarmed man in road rage incident.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/hudson_pba_stands_by_accu se d_road_rage_murder_asks_public_not_to_rush_to_judgement.html#incart_mo st-comments

NJ cop attacks disabled woman and her 4 year old child.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/06/robbinsville_police_offic er _will_resign_and_receive_medical_treatment_following_his_attack_on_a_d isa.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop gets into drunken brawl at gas station.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/jersey_city_off-duty_cop_ ch arged_with_drunk_driving_after_he_gets_into_fight_at_gas_station.html


Isolated incidents.
How about all them times they do get it right?
Remember the Hurricane?
 
2013-06-14 08:45:44 AM  
Waiting for the *cop suckers* to pile in.
 
2013-06-14 08:46:44 AM  

serial_crusher: theknuckler_33: You know, I'm not condoning the way the cops handled this situation (or any number of other incidents we see here on Fark), but I have a serious question. If a report of a man with a gun comes in, can we all agree that the police should look into the matter? If the call gave only a vague description of the man's appearance, what, exactly, are police to do to look into the matter? I can't really see how they have any other option but to stop anyone that resembles, even slightly, the description given in the call reporting the man with the gun.

If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.

For one, it depends on what exactly the man was doing with the gun.  If he's legally exercising his 2nd amendment rights, the police should ignore the call and tell the concerned citizen to STFU.  If he's waving it around like a madman, yeah the cops better get out there.

That said, just going to the general area and questioning all the black dudes is kind of a problem.  They'd have to just keep an eye out, and make a more solid ID than "20 year old black guy" before interrogating a suspect.
Or just walking up to any nearby civilian (or any nearby civilian) and saying "hey, we got reports of a guy with a gun...you seen him?" wouldn't be unreasonable.


No it certainly is not. Good point.
 
2013-06-14 08:48:30 AM  

sendtodave: Deep Contact: A cop is the perfect job for a bully.

Hm.  As is a criminal.

Guess it makes sense, they started as street gangs, right?

Cops are just criminals that are on "our" their own side.

FTFY.

 
2013-06-14 08:48:38 AM  

vudukungfu: Fissile: The mentality of Jersey cops really is no different than your average street thug.

Here are a few recent stories about NJ cops:

NJ cop involved in drug distribution.
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/montclair_cop_tied_to_wide -r anging_drug_and_money_laundering_scheme.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop guns down unarmed man in road rage incident.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/hudson_pba_stands_by_accu se d_road_rage_murder_asks_public_not_to_rush_to_judgement.html#incart_mo st-comments

NJ cop attacks disabled woman and her 4 year old child.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/06/robbinsville_police_offic er _will_resign_and_receive_medical_treatment_following_his_attack_on_a_d isa.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop gets into drunken brawl at gas station.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/jersey_city_off-duty_cop_ ch arged_with_drunk_driving_after_he_gets_into_fight_at_gas_station.html

Isolated incidents.
How about all them times they do get it right?
Remember the Hurricane?


==================

NJ cop torches supervisor's home.
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2013/05/edison_police_officer_ ch arged.html
 
2013-06-14 08:50:44 AM  

vudukungfu: Fissile: The mentality of Jersey cops really is no different than your average street thug.

Here are a few recent stories about NJ cops:

NJ cop involved in drug distribution.
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/montclair_cop_tied_to_wide -r anging_drug_and_money_laundering_scheme.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop guns down unarmed man in road rage incident.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/hudson_pba_stands_by_accu se d_road_rage_murder_asks_public_not_to_rush_to_judgement.html#incart_mo st-comments

NJ cop attacks disabled woman and her 4 year old child.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/06/robbinsville_police_offic er _will_resign_and_receive_medical_treatment_following_his_attack_on_a_d isa.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop gets into drunken brawl at gas station.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/jersey_city_off-duty_cop_ ch arged_with_drunk_driving_after_he_gets_into_fight_at_gas_station.html

Isolated incidents.
How about all them times they do get it right?
Remember the Hurricane?


"Aw baby.  Why you biatchin?  Remember all those times I didn't beat you?  Like on your birthday last year, even though you was mouthin' off to me?"
 
2013-06-14 08:50:58 AM  

Fissile: The mentality of Jersey cops really is no different than your average street thug.

Here are a few recent stories about NJ cops:

NJ cop involved in drug distribution.
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/montclair_cop_tied_to_wide -r anging_drug_and_money_laundering_scheme.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop guns down unarmed man in road rage incident.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/hudson_pba_stands_by_accu se d_road_rage_murder_asks_public_not_to_rush_to_judgement.html#incart_mo st-comments

NJ cop attacks disabled woman and her 4 year old child.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/06/robbinsville_police_offic er _will_resign_and_receive_medical_treatment_following_his_attack_on_a_d isa.html#incart_river_default

NJ cop gets into drunken brawl at gas station.
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/06/jersey_city_off-duty_cop_ ch arged_with_drunk_driving_after_he_gets_into_fight_at_gas_station.html


Wow, that One Bad Apple sure does get around...
 
2013-06-14 08:51:00 AM  

mccallcl: theknuckler_33: If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.

When are cops going to realize that when they stop someone who is doing something else that their presence is unwelcome? Almost every police encounter begins, from the perspective of the citizen, with 100% too many cops. It's not like people are going into the police station and walking up to the front desk and being jerks. Cops are seeking people out and forcing them to stop what they're doing and interact with them.

People are going to do it, but they're not going to like it.


I think this is a good example of how cops can handle these situations better. The problem, I think, is that cops assume everyone is a threat. I think it comes with the job and being in a heightened state of alertness is important for that job, but it does come with the drawback of treating everyone as if they are guilty.
 
2013-06-14 08:52:19 AM  

Your Neighborhood Pessimist: theknuckler_33:
If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.

If you listen to the audio, they engaged the hostile situation first, and he responded completely calmly at first, then he was met with alleged violence. That is when he became belligerent. And unless he was reaching for his safety knife like it was a gun (Hard to prove with just audio, and seeing as they don'tacknowledge it until very late in the clip, he most likely didn't), you do not respond to a calm manasking a calm question as if he was already holding a gun to the guy's head.

They were the only ones creating a dangerous situation.If you think someone might have a gun, the last farking thing you do is hit them and tell them to shut the fark up.

They were clearly being unprofessional in every sense of the word.


It sounded heated from the get go to me.
 
2013-06-14 08:53:04 AM  

thetubameister: theknuckler_33: You know, I'm not condoning the way the cops handled this situation (or any number of other incidents we see here on Fark), but I have a serious question. If a report of a man with a gun comes in, can we all agree that the police should look into the matter? If the call gave only a vague description of the man's appearance, what, exactly, are police to do to look into the matter? I can't really see how they have any other option but to stop anyone that resembles, even slightly, the description given in the call reporting the man with the gun.

If they do that, stop someone that resembles the description, and the first reaction of that person is to be belligerent, it is not difficult to see that the cops might be suspicious that that person might actually be the 'man with a gun' and therefore possibly dangerous.

It's completely reasonable for a young black man to presume a cop is there to harass you and make your life hell too.


Sadly, this is true.
 
2013-06-14 08:54:15 AM  
i0.wp.com
 
2013-06-14 09:01:04 AM  

serial_crusher: any nearby civilian (or any nearby civilian)


d'oh.  I was editing back and forth between "the black guy (or any nearby civilian)" and "any nearby civilian (i.e. the black guy)" and evidently this is what I ultimately came up with.  Oh well.
 
2013-06-14 09:03:18 AM  
Thank god it was trenton and not new york or the kid would be facing felony charges of annoying a cop (bill in the NY legislature)
 
2013-06-14 09:07:04 AM  

Nofun: Thank you LewisMarkTwo.

Wow, I seriously hope there's an investigation into this. Carrying a gun isn't illegal, and this man wasn't even doing that. The boxcutters that stores issue to employees are the cheap little slide-metal ones. And NO, wal-mart doesn't provide a place to keep them at work. They don't explicitly tell you to take them home with you, but everyone does since the management never asks to collect them, and generally doesn't want to collect/redistribute them every night.

Hope the cop gets a thorough investigation. Anyone know how the CC laws work in NJ regarding knives?


Welcome to New Jersey:
You can't carry a gun
You shouldnt own a gun
dont even think about guns
or look at a picture of a gun
except for the cops, they can be armed to the teeth on and off duty.
If you ain't butterin' your bread, you can't have a knife either.
 
2013-06-14 09:15:00 AM  
Cops are all violent thugs. Who'da thunk it?
 
2013-06-14 09:28:05 AM  

mccallcl: When are cops going to realize that when they stop someone who is doing something else that their presence is unwelcome? Almost every police encounter begins, from the perspective of the citizen, with 100% too many cops.


Exactly. I also resent the fact that anytime I'm pulled over by a cop, it's the cop's expectation that I'm supposed to go into Step-N-Fetchit mode:  "Yes, sir. No, sir. I'm sorry, sir." while he gets to act like a hardboiled, world-weary cop interrogating a career criminal who's clearly lying his ass off and probably has a body in the trunk.
 
2013-06-14 09:33:26 AM  

libbymcstrawmanobungo: Nofun: Thank you LewisMarkTwo.

Wow, I seriously hope there's an investigation into this. Carrying a gun isn't illegal, and this man wasn't even doing that. The boxcutters that stores issue to employees are the cheap little slide-metal ones. And NO, wal-mart doesn't provide a place to keep them at work. They don't explicitly tell you to take them home with you, but everyone does since the management never asks to collect them, and generally doesn't want to collect/redistribute them every night.

Hope the cop gets a thorough investigation. Anyone know how the CC laws work in NJ regarding knives?

Welcome to New Jersey:
You can't carry a gun
You shouldnt own a gun
dont even think about guns
or look at a picture of a gun
except for the cops, they can be armed to the teeth on and off duty.
If you ain't butterin' your bread, you can't have a knife either.


You're right, this would have gone much better if the kid had a gun on him.
 
2013-06-14 10:12:48 AM  

theknuckler_33: The problem, I think, is that cops assume everyone is a threat.


Ha ha, are you seriously having that hard of a time identifying with the experience of being able to treat everyone you interact with like a personal slave? The guy working at 7-11 overnight is in more danger than a cop working the same shift in the same neighborhood. The guy at the 7-11 greets me with a friendly "hello" when I walk in. Why? Because there is an expectation that he will, and consequences to him if he defies that expectation. Cops use the excuse that their behavior is a survival mechanism, and they are victims of their environment. They are, in that their environment allows for them to act the way many people would like to. It's a luxury, not a survival tactic.

Barricaded Gunman: it's the cop's expectation that I'm supposed to go into Step-N-Fetchit mode


Cops don't think you're brave for talking back, they think you're stupid. Because if they admitted that standing up to them was heroic, what would that make their role in the situation? So, it's not that you're standing up to a bully, it's that you're too stupid to know what you're in for as a consequence and how little impact it will have on the way things work. Demanding human decency and respect from everyone around you is supposed to be a virtue, but cops think it makes you an idiot. Isn't that galling?
 
2013-06-14 10:33:10 AM  

MurphyMurphy: "Police Director Ralph Rivera Jr. returned Trentonian calls on the matter stating;

"while the incident isn't quite severe enough to warrant a paid vacation for the officer in question, we are

punishing promoting the officer by making him pick up the donuts every day next week ." "

/fixed for accuracy
 
2013-06-14 10:34:43 AM  
I was stopped and searched by cops in my own neighborhood yesterday for walking home with a backpack, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/seriously, now walking with a backpack is considered "suspicious"
//some days, it really sucks being a young black male
///at least I didn't get King'd or Diallo'd
 
2013-06-14 10:42:51 AM  

ADubs86: I was stopped and searched by cops in my own neighborhood yesterday for walking home with a backpack, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/seriously, now walking with a backpack is considered "suspicious"
//some days, it really sucks being a young black male
///at least I didn't get King'd or Diallo'd


Well, to be fair, you are black.  Remember, it was young black men who were responsible for the Oklahoma bombing, both attacks on the World Trade Center, and the Unibomber.

Oh.  Wait.
 
2013-06-14 10:43:36 AM  

joeshill: ADubs86: I was stopped and searched by cops in my own neighborhood yesterday for walking home with a backpack, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/seriously, now walking with a backpack is considered "suspicious"
//some days, it really sucks being a young black male
///at least I didn't get King'd or Diallo'd

Well, to be fair, you are black.  Remember, it was young black men who were responsible for the Oklahoma bombing, both attacks on the World Trade Center, and the Unibomber.

Oh.  Wait.


Waco?
 
2013-06-14 11:19:11 AM  

mccallcl: theknuckler_33: The problem, I think, is that cops assume everyone is a threat.

Ha ha, are you seriously having that hard of a time identifying with the experience of being able to treat everyone you interact with like a personal slave? The guy working at 7-11 overnight is in more danger than a cop working the same shift in the same neighborhood. The guy at the 7-11 greets me with a friendly "hello" when I walk in. Why? Because there is an expectation that he will, and consequences to him if he defies that expectation. Cops use the excuse that their behavior is a survival mechanism, and they are victims of their environment. They are, in that their environment allows for them to act the way many people would like to. It's a luxury, not a survival tactic.

Barricaded Gunman: it's the cop's expectation that I'm supposed to go into Step-N-Fetchit mode

Cops don't think you're brave for talking back, they think you're stupid. Because if they admitted that standing up to them was heroic, what would that make their role in the situation? So, it's not that you're standing up to a bully, it's that you're too stupid to know what you're in for as a consequence and how little impact it will have on the way things work. Demanding human decency and respect from everyone around you is supposed to be a virtue, but cops think it makes you an idiot. Isn't that galling?


Cops need to get over themselves.
 
2013-06-14 11:48:10 AM  
i131.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-14 11:51:46 AM  

vento: Cops need to get over themselves.


They're not going to do it until we do it for them. In other words, until people are willing to be inconvenienced, and occasionally hurt, for asserting themselves on a mass scale, nothing will change. Of course, I'm not here to volunteer (because I'm a pussy), but I would be willing to participate in "give a cop a sucker" day, where everybody gives out lollipops to cops.

Everybody doing the same thing at the same time might remind the authorities that we can coordinate our behavior, and we're thinking about them. It would also give the cops a chance to interact with citizens without a crime having been committed. Win/win.
 
2013-06-14 11:57:27 AM  
Trenton cop when asked for badge number: "That's my (expletive) badge number right there" after allegedly punching Walmart employee walking home.

Farkers, has anyone here ever gotten a different answer to that question?
 
2013-06-14 12:05:25 PM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2013-06-14 12:06:41 PM  
The audio adds a lot of credibility to the allegation made by the defendant.  He is lucky the police didn't notice him recording and delete the file.  That happens all the time.

Of course, the ACLU of New Jersey has developed a  phone app that allows you to record audio or viedo without appearing that a recording is being made.  The app also records the footage to a difficult to locate ocation on the phone, and allegedly uploads the same to the ACLU computer servers, which prevents deletion by law enforcement.

There are versions for both Android and iPhone  As a criminal defense attorney, I routinely recommend this app to my clients.    An article on the app (called Police Tape) and download links can be found here.
 
2013-06-14 12:08:12 PM  
What's an expletive badge?
 
2013-06-14 12:09:58 PM  

lilbjorn: Trenton cop when asked for badge number: "That's my (expletive) badge number right there" after allegedly punching Walmart employee walking home.

Farkers, has anyone here ever gotten a different answer to that question?


I've asked for their business card and gotten it before, but I was polite and not black.
 
2013-06-14 12:37:01 PM  

CheekyMonkey:

Wow, that One Bad Apple sure does get around...



I'm a busy guy
 
2013-06-14 01:15:17 PM  
Has anyone blamed the victim yet because he works for Wal-Mart and the lack of benefits they give their employees yet or do I have to come back later?
 
2013-06-14 01:19:43 PM  
This guy's trouble is just starting.  They published his ticket, complete with all of his personal information including either his DL or SSN.  Nice.
 
2013-06-14 01:32:00 PM  

dabbletech: This guy's trouble is just starting.  They published his ticket, complete with all of his personal information including either his DL or SSN.  Nice.


source?
 
2013-06-14 01:40:22 PM  
This LEO is a farking img.fark.net for putting his life on the line protecting your rights. Submit, citizen.
 
2013-06-14 01:48:43 PM  

orbister: OgreMagi: orbister: FTFA:  he was recording a conversation with a friend

Why would one do that?

Why is not relevant.

Indeed. I'm just going off at a tangent, wondering who records conversations with friends, and why.


In high school (long before everyone had cell phones) my friends used to record conversations because we would come up with some really funny stuff (re: funny to teenagers).  Then play it later as a kind of game where you would poke fun at them for saying stupid shiat.
 
2013-06-14 01:50:12 PM  

orbister: FTFA:  he was recording a conversation with a friend

Why would one do that?


Spouting off great ideas while yapping? I archive a lot of my chat logs so I can go back and pull out plot bunnies.

/Writers. We're weird.
//But yeah, if you need to remember something for later, recording is a good idea.
 
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