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(Opposing Views)   Elderly man grows marijuana for his sick wife, gets busted for drug trafficking. His justification: "I have a moral obligation to make my wife as comfortable as possible"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 27
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2013-06-14 03:33:29 AM
7 votes:
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2013-06-14 05:42:50 AM
3 votes:

Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.


Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.
drp
2013-06-14 03:08:02 AM
3 votes:

gittlebass: How is it stupid?


Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.
2013-06-13 10:23:04 PM
3 votes:
This man is a hero and this case should be dropped.
2013-06-14 03:06:05 PM
2 votes:

drp: I'm arguing that it is clearly does not meet many of the stadanrds every other prescription medicine in the United States is held to.


You would be wrong. Hundreds of medications are proscribed for uses not listed by either manufacturer or doctor's drug reference. Look up 'off-label prescription'

Want to tell me standards behind that? Protip: There are none, and it's doctor's discretion.
2013-06-14 05:00:02 AM
2 votes:

drayno76: Favorited!!! I have a friend who went out there with MS, she hasn't had the shakes in over a year!! I need to move. :(


Gamed with a guy who's dad has MS, really bad. Son got him on medicinal, and he's doing *much* better. Have heard more than a few accounts of it.

Strongly urge people to always, always, always tell your doctors though. I had to see two specialists while sick. One wasn't a fan of med. marijuana and explained why and we talked about it at length. Primarily his issue was that he had seen patients with glaucoma who went that route, and he did not think it was EVER more beneficial than prescribed medicine. He allowed perhaps in the past, it might've been...but today he asserted it simply wasn't the case, and it some cases it seemed to worsen it.

I'm not at all familiar with glaucoma and marijuana use, but your doctors are there to monitor, manage and treat your disease (if you have a nasty one, you often have a 'team' woo). So use them as such and include them. Plus patients are often the worst judge of some things. I 'felt' sicker while under treatment because the meds (before pot) made me so farking sick. But the serious damage caused by the disease were being treated/mitigated by those meds. Meds didn't and couldn't treat the disease, but could prevent worst problems of the disease from happening. Trade off. A trade off that some people stop wanting to make, and they go just the pure painkiller route. I can't fault them, I've been there.

And to be honest, I'm still surprised today I made it through without killing myself. It sucked that much. I'm really glad I did, but in hindsight...I'm not sure how. I used to be terrified of going out of remission, nightmare terrified. I'm finally starting to believe it will be for good. And taking for granted feeling good. Oh my goodness, I cannot express to you how wonderful that is.

Okay now I'm crying. fark you all. ;)
2013-06-14 03:28:11 AM
2 votes:

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


Quality troll.

-There's plenty of quality control.
-Smoking or vaping is a very precise delivery method.  The onset is near immediate and the dose can be customized to each user and current symptoms.
-So people can't be trusted to use medicine for what ails them?
-Abuse?  Like.. getting high all the time?  Oh noes.

No one wants weed to be so underground, but the feds only allow study of the plant if it's to demonize it.  You can't run a study with the intent of discovering it's efficacy.

Now you compare cannabis to cocaine... which by the way is a schedule 2 drug whereas cannabis is still schedule 1... for no reason at all.

Bottom line is that medical marijuana is the only way to get people who benefit from cannabis the medicine they need.  It is not a mere run around.
2013-06-14 05:37:47 PM
1 votes:
137 plants.

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Coincidence? I think not.

If all he's doing is helping his wife, I'm more than a little curious as to why he needs 137 plants. Either he's the world's worst grower getting terrible yields, or he's selling some. Maybe he also needs that money to support her, but that's not what's being said here.

If every plant got 1/4 lb, he'd have over 30 lbs of weed. cut that in half again, and wifey would have over a pound to smoke every month. just about an ounce per day.

I just don't see it. I'm plenty sympathetic to his desire to help his wife, but this isn't adding up
2013-06-14 05:03:20 PM
1 votes:

Mock26: drayno76: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.

Really?  So, let us say that the Lords of Waterdeep have issued a decree making it illegal to criticize or make fun of the Lords of Waterdeep.  Some scribe is walking down the street at night and he sees a bard putting up posters.  These posters contain caricatures of the Lords of Waterdeep as well as the lyrics of a song that criticizes them.  The scribe, having just passed a patrol of the town guard a few streets back goes and tells them what he saw.  The guards go and arrest the bard.  How by any definition of the word is that an evil act?  Hmmm?  Care to explain that one?  Man, you must have really sucked at playing D&D.


I bet you believe that "only following orders" is a valid defense.
2013-06-14 10:14:28 AM
1 votes:

cyberspacedout: I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows


"The director shall obtain marijuana through whatever means he deems most appropriate consistent with federal law."

Well, there's your problem.  The director is waiting for the feds to legalize MJ.
2013-06-14 09:21:17 AM
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA:  Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

Huh?


Someone may have already posted this, but a lot of states passed laws "legalizing" pot as long as you got the proper tax sticker or other official recognition of your harvest. This, of course, was a honeypot strategy, because if you went in to get the sticker they would arrest you for distribution or having a broken taillight or something. Then they could weigh your growing plants and fine you for the back taxes you hadn't collected. Since you were in jail for distribution, they could then confiscate your house, car, dog and children to pay the fine. Just another easy way to finance drug enforcement departments and get nice kickbacks to the higher-ups.
2013-06-14 08:12:27 AM
1 votes:
this looks like a job for Jury Nullification.
2013-06-14 04:36:12 AM
1 votes:

drp: No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.


http://www.cannlabs.com/ 

http://www.comobiletesting.com/tests.cfm

There's just 2 of them.  That wasn't hard.
2013-06-14 03:49:34 AM
1 votes:

Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.

Nope.  This guy is not worthy of my sympathy.  I have plenty of sympathy for plenty of people, but this guy is not one of them.  If he gets thrown in jail for a couple of years I will have sympathy for his wife who will then be alone, but none for her monumental dumbass of a husband.

As for my name, wrong definition of the word "mock."  Nice try, though.


well, in fairness to the guy, your sympathy is valueless.  (monumental dumbass? overly dramatic indeed.)  this is mostly just letting us know you are a cold, awful person at heart.  its one thing to turn a blind eye to such things or invest no interest in the matter but you said earlier that you laugh your ass off every time this kind of thing happens. that's glee in the pain of others.  i would be ashamed to be one of your parents, to know i raised something so cruel.
drp
2013-06-14 03:37:51 AM
1 votes:

drayno76: Yet aspirin kills more people in a year than marijuana ever had. I absolutely want those people screwing with an otherwise perfect plant. The FDA is for profit buisiness and doesn't give a rip about people until something goes to court.


Seriously?  This is your argument against the FDA?  Aspirin?

Aspirin saves countless lives every year.  It's proven to reduce the risks associated with vascular disease and is an integral part of the emergency treatment of heart attacks.  This isn't even the slightest bit controversial.

All medicines are available or prescribed (or should be) based on careful risk-benefit analysis.  Inherent and necessary for that analysis to be done correctly is accurate and repeatable dosing, which isn't possible with smoking marijuana obtained from one's yard or a local dispensary.

Again, I favor legalization.  I want to live in a world where any adult can walk into a 7-11 and buy a bag of marijuana as easily as one can buy a carton of cigarettes or bottle of Mountain Dew.  Where there's no black market, no violent cartels, no war on nouns, no judicial prejudice for incarcerating minorities.

But pretending that "medical marijuana" is rational and consistent with long-held tenets of modern medicine though is either ignorant or dishonest.

Marijuana should be legal because adults should be free to do as they please with their bodies.  Wrapping up the right to use drugs recreationally in layers of silly medical justification may be a clever FU to prohibitionists, but it's not winning the argument or the core right.
2013-06-14 03:26:37 AM
1 votes:
I don't really care if he's lying or telling the truth, because the bottom line doesn't change - nobody should ever go to jail for growing, possessing, or using cannabis.
VTC
2013-06-14 03:17:55 AM
1 votes:
For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.

And for those wondering about the number of plants. If you know anything about plants or cannabis in particular, you know that not all plants are created equal. And in order to change the qualities of a particular species you must interbreed it. Having 137 plants doesn't mean you are trafficking, it means you're a flipping gardener.
2013-06-14 03:17:16 AM
1 votes:
Can has jury nullification, please?
2013-06-14 03:03:02 AM
1 votes:

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


I find it frightening how many people think that cannabis growers are criminal. The 'war' on drugs is aimed at profiting from criminalizing American citizens, it serves no true social value other than escalating violence of black market trade.

I support those who tell the govt to get the Fark out of our lives, not the thugs that profit from imprisonment and crimes created to increase profit for industries.

I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.
2013-06-14 02:50:37 AM
1 votes:

Todd300: Love all the 'I'm for legalization, but not THAT much legalization' comments in this farktastic thread.

Seriously: fark you if you think you know better in with dosing.

Also, 'legalization' tards, perhaps you all outta research legalization vs. decriminalization.

Legalization: government permission slip.
Decrim: government gets the hell out of the way and undoes its previous mistakes.


I'll take either gladly. I already need a permission slip to drive, own a house, buy a beer, or buy allergy meds because of my wife's farking cats.
2013-06-14 02:42:40 AM
1 votes:
I wouldnt give too much credibility to the 137 plants statement.  That could easily be cop math.  Or bad plant identification (dont laugh its happened before).  Or a matter of planting a bunch of seedlings in order to weed out the poorly growing ones.

It would be a mistake to automatically assume 137 big, growing, flowering plants.
2013-06-14 02:40:03 AM
1 votes:
10 to 1 says he was making oils or edibles for his wife. That takes a lot of weed to do in high doses. F.M. and COPD are both treated with ingested cannabis. 1 lb of butter takes about 1/2 oz of green, other oils take far more. I don't think his plants were excessive, I've read some plants are super potent but yield very little.

Another boomer martyr to add to the legalization cause, se as Cathy Jordan.
2013-06-14 02:36:02 AM
1 votes:

drp: // but "medical" marijuana is stupid


Fark ran an article recently about a little girl in Colorado who was having dozens of seizures every day, none of the "official" drugs worked, until her parents tried a low-THC, high-whatever-that-other-chemical-is version medical marijuana.  (Olive oil suspension, not smoking.)

For management of continuous pain, all the choices are bad one way or  another, but medical marijuana is considered the least bad by some people.

Then of course there is the original, federal-government-recognized use for glaucoma.
drp
2013-06-14 02:31:28 AM
1 votes:

juniperwasting: 137 plants is enough to keep his wife smoking every two hours everyday for the rest of her life.  Every two hours, everyday (waking hours).  Those plants were in rotation for budding and constant harvest.  It's probably just enough.


Hmm, learn something new every day.  Seemed excessive.

/ or cop math
2013-06-14 02:27:09 AM
1 votes:
137 plants is enough to keep his wife smoking every two hours everyday for the rest of her life.  Every two hours, everyday (waking hours).  Those plants were in rotation for budding and constant harvest.  It's probably just enough.
2013-06-14 02:23:39 AM
1 votes:
137 plants?
Yeah, it's only for his wife.
I'm for legalization, but c'mon.
2013-06-14 12:17:34 AM
1 votes:

Frederick: How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing?  Curious.


They can seize his house now, since it might have been bought with drug money
 
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