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(Opposing Views)   Elderly man grows marijuana for his sick wife, gets busted for drug trafficking. His justification: "I have a moral obligation to make my wife as comfortable as possible"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 148
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2013-06-13 10:15:11 PM
How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing?  Curious.
 
2013-06-13 10:20:04 PM
Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.


Get in the farking jail cell old man.

Our laws are to be respected and 'American Justice' awaits.
 
2013-06-13 10:23:04 PM
This man is a hero and this case should be dropped.
 
2013-06-13 10:25:20 PM
Well I certainly feel safer now

/*eyeroll*
 
2013-06-13 10:31:14 PM
This shiat is so stupid. Just ridiculous.
 
2013-06-13 11:31:37 PM
FTFA:  Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

Huh?
 
2013-06-13 11:53:58 PM
Really, you have nothing better to do with your law enforcement and judicial resources? Yeah, I'm not buying that for a second.
 
2013-06-14 12:17:34 AM

Frederick: How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing?  Curious.


They can seize his house now, since it might have been bought with drug money
 
2013-06-14 12:22:39 AM
And yet Zodiac remains free.
 
2013-06-14 12:53:38 AM
137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.
 
2013-06-14 01:22:40 AM
Seems reasonable to me.
 
2013-06-14 02:13:45 AM

skatedrifter: This man is a hero and this case should be dropped.


But enough about Edward Snowden...
 
2013-06-14 02:23:39 AM
137 plants?
Yeah, it's only for his wife.
I'm for legalization, but c'mon.
 
2013-06-14 02:27:07 AM

doglover: And yet Zodiac remains free.


I lol'd, but then I'm a terrible person.
 
2013-06-14 02:27:09 AM
137 plants is enough to keep his wife smoking every two hours everyday for the rest of her life.  Every two hours, everyday (waking hours).  Those plants were in rotation for budding and constant harvest.  It's probably just enough.
 
2013-06-14 02:27:12 AM
137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.
 
drp
2013-06-14 02:27:24 AM
137 plants for one sick person?

Smoking marijuana is treatment for his wife's COPD?  A condition caused by smoking?

Something doesn't add up.

/ thinks all drugs should be legalized
// but "medical" marijuana is stupid
/// except as a clever end-run around prohibition, kudos to the stoners for that
 
2013-06-14 02:29:20 AM
Rawlsian theory: the good and/or the right.
 
2013-06-14 02:30:25 AM
Wow, those cops must feel so elated. Imagine the thrill they got when they finally put the cuffs on that dangerous guy. High-fives all around the department, victory speech from the lead detective, obligatory picture of the dangerous plants for the 5:00 news...

This is ricockulous.
 
drp
2013-06-14 02:31:28 AM

juniperwasting: 137 plants is enough to keep his wife smoking every two hours everyday for the rest of her life.  Every two hours, everyday (waking hours).  Those plants were in rotation for budding and constant harvest.  It's probably just enough.


Hmm, learn something new every day.  Seemed excessive.

/ or cop math
 
2013-06-14 02:31:51 AM
I'm for legalization but 137 plants for one person does not seem at all plausible to me.
 
2013-06-14 02:35:15 AM
It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.

It is the prosecutor's job to decide which cases ought to be taken to court.
 
2013-06-14 02:36:02 AM

drp: // but "medical" marijuana is stupid


Fark ran an article recently about a little girl in Colorado who was having dozens of seizures every day, none of the "official" drugs worked, until her parents tried a low-THC, high-whatever-that-other-chemical-is version medical marijuana.  (Olive oil suspension, not smoking.)

For management of continuous pain, all the choices are bad one way or  another, but medical marijuana is considered the least bad by some people.

Then of course there is the original, federal-government-recognized use for glaucoma.
 
2013-06-14 02:36:42 AM

drp: 137 plants for one sick person?

Smoking marijuana is treatment for his wife's COPD?  A condition caused by smoking?

Something doesn't add up.

/ thinks all drugs should be legalized
// but "medical" marijuana is stupid
/// except as a clever end-run around prohibition, kudos to the stoners for that


How is it stupid?
 
2013-06-14 02:40:03 AM
10 to 1 says he was making oils or edibles for his wife. That takes a lot of weed to do in high doses. F.M. and COPD are both treated with ingested cannabis. 1 lb of butter takes about 1/2 oz of green, other oils take far more. I don't think his plants were excessive, I've read some plants are super potent but yield very little.

Another boomer martyr to add to the legalization cause, se as Cathy Jordan.
 
2013-06-14 02:42:40 AM
I wouldnt give too much credibility to the 137 plants statement.  That could easily be cop math.  Or bad plant identification (dont laugh its happened before).  Or a matter of planting a bunch of seedlings in order to weed out the poorly growing ones.

It would be a mistake to automatically assume 137 big, growing, flowering plants.
 
2013-06-14 02:43:15 AM
Love all the 'I'm for legalization, but not THAT much legalization' comments in this farktastic thread.

Seriously: fark you if you think you know better in with dosing.

Also, 'legalization' tards, perhaps you all outta research legalization vs. decriminalization.

Legalization: government permission slip.
Decrim: government gets the hell out of the way and undoes its previous mistakes.
 
2013-06-14 02:50:33 AM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows
 
2013-06-14 02:50:37 AM

Todd300: Love all the 'I'm for legalization, but not THAT much legalization' comments in this farktastic thread.

Seriously: fark you if you think you know better in with dosing.

Also, 'legalization' tards, perhaps you all outta research legalization vs. decriminalization.

Legalization: government permission slip.
Decrim: government gets the hell out of the way and undoes its previous mistakes.


I'll take either gladly. I already need a permission slip to drive, own a house, buy a beer, or buy allergy meds because of my wife's farking cats.
 
2013-06-14 02:53:22 AM

cyberspacedout: fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.

I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows


Iowa has something similar. Doctors can prescribe marijuana for 'state authorized' conditions but never authorized any conditions.
 
2013-06-14 02:55:24 AM

Frederick: How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing

throw themselves in front of a bus and make the world a better place?  Curious.

FTFY
 
2013-06-14 02:57:51 AM
Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.
 
2013-06-14 02:58:03 AM

drayno76: Iowa has something similar. Doctors can prescribe marijuana for 'state authorized' conditions but never authorized any conditions.


And if you are going to sell illegal drugs in Iowa you need to get a drug tax stamp, or face extra penalties.  No one has ever requested a drug stamp yet.
 
2013-06-14 03:03:02 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


I find it frightening how many people think that cannabis growers are criminal. The 'war' on drugs is aimed at profiting from criminalizing American citizens, it serves no true social value other than escalating violence of black market trade.

I support those who tell the govt to get the Fark out of our lives, not the thugs that profit from imprisonment and crimes created to increase profit for industries.

I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.
 
2013-06-14 03:05:34 AM
My sister suffers from fibromyalgia.  Fortunately, she lives in California and has no problems getting her pot legally.  My mom has severe arthritis.  Pot helps relieve the pain without the typical side effects.  She prefers her dose in cookie form as smoking it doesn't go well with her normally mild asthma.

Personally, I don't touch pot.  All it does to me as make me want a long nap.

And fark laws that say you must get it from the government, but never make it available.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:00 AM

drayno76: I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.


Funny, Nixon felt the opposite way.
 
2013-06-14 03:07:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.

It is the prosecutor's job to decide which cases ought to be taken to court.


And it's every person's job to have some compassion for people suffering from pain.
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:08:02 AM

gittlebass: How is it stupid?


Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.
 
2013-06-14 03:09:17 AM

drayno76: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

I find it frightening how many people think that cannabis growers are criminal. The 'war' on drugs is aimed at profiting from criminalizing American citizens, it serves no true social value other than escalating violence of black market trade.

I support those who tell the govt to get the Fark out of our lives, not the thugs that profit from imprisonment and crimes created to increase profit for industries.

I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.


Well good for you then.  Do you want a cookie?
 
2013-06-14 03:10:33 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)
 
2013-06-14 03:11:07 AM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


Yet aspirin kills more people in a year than marijuana ever had. I absolutely want those people screwing with an otherwise perfect plant. The FDA is for profit buisiness and doesn't give a rip about people until something goes to court.
 
2013-06-14 03:12:05 AM

WorldCitizen: Really, you have nothing better to do with your law enforcement and judicial resources? Yeah, I'm not buying that for a second.


When you let police get involved in actual important things or give them any leeway for judgement calls on the law, they tend to illegally seize property, shoot random unarmed civilians, beat people because they're not quite as white as biologically possible, etc.  And those are the  honest cops.

Maybe in a perfect world where cops were people of average intelligence and typical morals instead of near the bottom of the barrel on both counts, we could let them trust their judgement on priority in enforcement.  Sadly, that world isn't even within the realm of imagination and is populated solely by the elder gods and alien geometries.  So in the real one we have to hard-code those judgement calls into the law, and that's always going to result in some bugs.  Still better than the alternative, sadly.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:52 AM

The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:16 AM
Can has jury nullification, please?
 
VTC
2013-06-14 03:17:55 AM
For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.

And for those wondering about the number of plants. If you know anything about plants or cannabis in particular, you know that not all plants are created equal. And in order to change the qualities of a particular species you must interbreed it. Having 137 plants doesn't mean you are trafficking, it means you're a flipping gardener.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:02 AM

OgreMagi: AverageAmericanGuy: It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.

It is the prosecutor's job to decide which cases ought to be taken to court.

And it's every person's job to have some compassion for people suffering from pain.


So we take them out back and shoot them?
 
2013-06-14 03:22:33 AM

drp: Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines. It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.


If that were true you wouldn't have all the major drug companies scrambling to make a synthetic version which is just as effective. And failing.

There is a lot of hard science behind all the claims made.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:18 AM

Notabunny: 137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.


Um... the cops count seedlings as 'a plant'.

Remember half the people involved in the supply side of the drug industry are worthless POS, the world would be a better place if you shot them in the back of the neck and kicked their body in trench and covered it with a backhoe. For people involved in the law enforcement side of things, it's nearly 100%.

\Not saying law enforcement in general mind you.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:56 AM

Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.


your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:59 AM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


Yeah, people are using pot as a drug as haphazardly as aspirin.  ZOMG!
 
2013-06-14 03:26:37 AM
I don't really care if he's lying or telling the truth, because the bottom line doesn't change - nobody should ever go to jail for growing, possessing, or using cannabis.
 
2013-06-14 03:28:11 AM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


Quality troll.

-There's plenty of quality control.
-Smoking or vaping is a very precise delivery method.  The onset is near immediate and the dose can be customized to each user and current symptoms.
-So people can't be trusted to use medicine for what ails them?
-Abuse?  Like.. getting high all the time?  Oh noes.

No one wants weed to be so underground, but the feds only allow study of the plant if it's to demonize it.  You can't run a study with the intent of discovering it's efficacy.

Now you compare cannabis to cocaine... which by the way is a schedule 2 drug whereas cannabis is still schedule 1... for no reason at all.

Bottom line is that medical marijuana is the only way to get people who benefit from cannabis the medicine they need.  It is not a mere run around.
 
2013-06-14 03:32:23 AM

lewismarktwo: -Abuse? Like.. getting high all the time? Oh noes.


That's a valid concern.  If too many people are high all the time, it could cause a world wide cheetos shortage.  There would be panicking in the streets.  Possibly riots.  Well, not from the stoners since they'll be too busy watching Spongbob reruns.
 
2013-06-14 03:33:29 AM
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2013-06-14 03:35:10 AM

VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.



You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.
 
2013-06-14 03:35:15 AM

cyberspacedout: fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.

I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows


Apparently the bill that was passed in SC in 1980 allowed for the state Department of Health to assemble an advisory board to investigate and research the use of marijuana for glaucoma and helping cancer patients, and the commissioner is to procure the marijuana in they way he determines is most consistent with federal law, which pretty much means not at all
Text of the bill is here: http://medicalmarijuana.com/experts/expert/title.cfm?artID=95
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:37:51 AM

drayno76: Yet aspirin kills more people in a year than marijuana ever had. I absolutely want those people screwing with an otherwise perfect plant. The FDA is for profit buisiness and doesn't give a rip about people until something goes to court.


Seriously?  This is your argument against the FDA?  Aspirin?

Aspirin saves countless lives every year.  It's proven to reduce the risks associated with vascular disease and is an integral part of the emergency treatment of heart attacks.  This isn't even the slightest bit controversial.

All medicines are available or prescribed (or should be) based on careful risk-benefit analysis.  Inherent and necessary for that analysis to be done correctly is accurate and repeatable dosing, which isn't possible with smoking marijuana obtained from one's yard or a local dispensary.

Again, I favor legalization.  I want to live in a world where any adult can walk into a 7-11 and buy a bag of marijuana as easily as one can buy a carton of cigarettes or bottle of Mountain Dew.  Where there's no black market, no violent cartels, no war on nouns, no judicial prejudice for incarcerating minorities.

But pretending that "medical marijuana" is rational and consistent with long-held tenets of modern medicine though is either ignorant or dishonest.

Marijuana should be legal because adults should be free to do as they please with their bodies.  Wrapping up the right to use drugs recreationally in layers of silly medical justification may be a clever FU to prohibitionists, but it's not winning the argument or the core right.
 
2013-06-14 03:40:51 AM

Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.


So you're amoral and don't really care about American citizens, just the profiting politicians. Good to know. I call those people simple minded followers. Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. I bet you did well on standardized tests.
 
2013-06-14 03:40:57 AM

The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.


Nope.  This guy is not worthy of my sympathy.  I have plenty of sympathy for plenty of people, but this guy is not one of them.  If he gets thrown in jail for a couple of years I will have sympathy for his wife who will then be alone, but none for her monumental dumbass of a husband.

As for my name, wrong definition of the word "mock."  Nice try, though.
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:42:06 AM

J. Frank Parnell: drp: Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines. It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.

If that were true you wouldn't have all the major drug companies scrambling to make a synthetic version which is just as effective. And failing.

There is a lot of hard science behind all the claims made.


I'm not denying that marijuana has active ingredients with physiologic effects that make sick people feel better.

And I'm not arguing that people should be denied the right to use it, either for recreation or to make themselves feel better.

I'm arguing that it is clearly does not meet many of the stadanrds every other prescription medicine in the United States is held to.
 
2013-06-14 03:49:00 AM

drp: drayno76: Yet aspirin kills more people in a year than marijuana ever had. I absolutely want those people screwing with an otherwise perfect plant. The FDA is for profit buisiness and doesn't give a rip about people until something goes to court.

Seriously?  This is your argument against the FDA?  Aspirin?

Aspirin saves countless lives every year.  It's proven to reduce the risks associated with vascular disease and is an integral part of the emergency treatment of heart attacks.  This isn't even the slightest bit controversial.

All medicines are available or prescribed (or should be) based on careful risk-benefit analysis.  Inherent and necessary for that analysis to be done correctly is accurate and repeatable dosing, which isn't possible with smoking marijuana obtained from one's yard or a local dispensary.

Again, I favor legalization.  I want to live in a world where any adult can walk into a 7-11 and buy a bag of marijuana as easily as one can buy a carton of cigarettes or bottle of Mountain Dew.  Where there's no black market, no violent cartels, no war on nouns, no judicial prejudice for incarcerating minorities.

But pretending that "medical marijuana" is rational and consistent with long-held tenets of modern medicine though is either ignorant or dishonest.

Marijuana should be legal because adults should be free to do as they please with their bodies.  Wrapping up the right to use drugs recreationally in layers of silly medical justification may be a clever FU to prohibitionists, but it's not winning the argument or the core right.


http://adjusthealth.info/health-news/89-40000-deaths-in-usa-caused-by- aspirin-and-painkillers-every-year

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Deaths_due_to_aspirin#page2

I do not want these people screwing with nature. No aspirin isn't controversial, it doesn't kill enough to warrant a lawsuits.

I use it as medicine, my other choices are Limbaugh heroin prescribe by my neurosurgeon or surgery that will reduce my mobility by up to 25%

Since using pot I've not had one seizure not lost a day of work to pain or meds, I can't say the same for my legal meds.

Fark big pharma and the government dope cartel, I'll take mothers own over their 'tried and true' garbage chemicals.
 
2013-06-14 03:49:34 AM

Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.

Nope.  This guy is not worthy of my sympathy.  I have plenty of sympathy for plenty of people, but this guy is not one of them.  If he gets thrown in jail for a couple of years I will have sympathy for his wife who will then be alone, but none for her monumental dumbass of a husband.

As for my name, wrong definition of the word "mock."  Nice try, though.


well, in fairness to the guy, your sympathy is valueless.  (monumental dumbass? overly dramatic indeed.)  this is mostly just letting us know you are a cold, awful person at heart.  its one thing to turn a blind eye to such things or invest no interest in the matter but you said earlier that you laugh your ass off every time this kind of thing happens. that's glee in the pain of others.  i would be ashamed to be one of your parents, to know i raised something so cruel.
 
2013-06-14 03:52:35 AM

The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.

Nope.  This guy is not worthy of my sympathy.  I have plenty of sympathy for plenty of people, but this guy is not one of them.  If he gets thrown in jail for a couple of years I will have sympathy for his wife who will then be alone, but none for her monumental dumbass of a husband.

As for my name, wrong definition of the word "mock."  Nice try, though.

well, in fairness to the guy, your sympathy is valueless.  (monumental dumbass? overly dramatic indeed.)  this is mostly just letting us know you are a cold, awful person at heart.  its one thing to turn a blind eye to such things or invest no interest in the matter but you said earlier that you laugh your ass off every time this kind of thing happens. that's glee in the pain of others.  i would be ashamed to be one of your parents, to know i raised something so cruel.


Well said!
 
VTC
2013-06-14 03:54:19 AM

Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.


Dude, I'm willing to bet your mother didn't take you off the tate till your were well into your teens.
 
2013-06-14 03:56:25 AM

Todd300: Also, 'legalization' tards, perhaps you all outta research legalization vs. decriminalization.

Legalization: government permission slip.
Decrim: government gets the hell out of the way and undoes its previous mistakes.


Your point?   I'm for LEGALIZATION and I'm well aware of the difference between that and decriminalization.

Besides, Peter Tosh would have just sounded silly if he had sung Decriminalize It.
 
2013-06-14 03:58:02 AM

gibbon1: Notabunny: 137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.

Um... the cops count seedlings as 'a plant'.

Remember half the people involved in the supply side of the drug industry are worthless POS, the world would be a better place if you shot them in the back of the neck and kicked their body in trench and covered it with a backhoe. For people involved in the law enforcement side of things, it's nearly 100%.

\Not saying law enforcement in general mind you.


Ya who knows how many of those "137" were clones. But still event if it was 11 plants harvested every month that's WAY more then one person could need even turned into oil.
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:58:48 AM

lewismarktwo: Quality troll.


Classic Fark tactic - dismiss opposing viewpoint as trolling.

-There's plenty of quality control.

No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.  Or you could just start with posting a list of the active ingredients, with their specific effects, benefits, and risks.

-Smoking or vaping is a very precise delivery method. The onset is near immediate and the dose can be customized to each user and current symptoms.

ell oh ell

You miss the point.  Name ONE other medicine prescribed in the US that is prescribed and intended to be used by smoking it?  Marijuana is in a class all by itself.

-So people can't be trusted to use medicine for what ails them?

Sure they can.  I'm all for them to have the legal freedom to use any substance they want.  Let's just not pretend it's medicine comparable to lisinopril or amoxicillin or oxycodone.

-Abuse? Like.. getting high all the time? Oh noes.

Again, I'm totally fine with people getting high.  But that's not medicine.

No one wants weed to be so underground, but the feds only allow study of the plant if it's to demonize it. You can't run a study with the intent of discovering it's efficacy.

Now you compare cannabis to cocaine... which by the way is a schedule 2 drug whereas cannabis is still schedule 1... for no reason at all.

Bottom line is that medical marijuana is the only way to get people who benefit from cannabis the medicine they need. It is not a mere run around.


Bottom line is that if you're going to call it a prescription medicine, it should be held to the same standards as other prescription medicines.
 
2013-06-14 04:04:25 AM

drp: lewismarktwo: Quality troll.

Classic Fark tactic - dismiss opposing viewpoint as trolling.

-There's plenty of quality control.

No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.  Or you could just start with posting a list of the active ingredients, with their specific effects, benefits, and risks.

-Smoking or vaping is a very precise delivery method. The onset is near immediate and the dose can be customized to each user and current symptoms.

ell oh ell

You miss the point.  Name ONE other medicine prescribed in the US that is prescribed and intended to be used by smoking it?  Marijuana is in a class all by itself.

-So people can't be trusted to use medicine for what ails them?

Sure they can.  I'm all for them to have the legal freedom to use any substance they want.  Let's just not pretend it's medicine comparable to lisinopril or amoxicillin or oxycodone.

-Abuse? Like.. getting high all the time? Oh noes.

Again, I'm totally fine with people getting high.  But that's not medicine.

No one wants weed to be so underground, but the feds only allow study of the plant if it's to demonize it. You can't run a study with the intent of discovering it's efficacy.

Now you compare cannabis to cocaine... which by the way is a schedule 2 drug whereas cannabis is still schedule 1... for no reason at all.

Bottom line is that medical marijuana is the only way to get people who benefit from cannabis the medicine they need. It is not a mere run around.

Bottom line is that if you're going to call it a prescription medicine, it should be held to the same standards as other prescription medicines.


I was prescribed physical therapy and acupuncture. Do those qualify? Prescription doesn't only apply to meds it applies to treatments. Again you're showing your ignorance.
 
2013-06-14 04:12:20 AM

drayno76: Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.

So you're amoral and don't really care about American citizens, just the profiting politicians. Good to know. I call those people simple minded followers. Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. I bet you did well on standardized tests.


Nope, never said I was amoral at all.  This law really has no moral basis to it.  There is nothing moral or immoral about smoking pot or eating some shrooms.  We are not talking about denying someone basic human rights or anything like that.  A law along those lines would be immoral, but not a law against marijuana. The anti-pot law is stupid and in my opinion should be revoked, but at present it is the law.  So work within the system and change it. Just sitting around smoking pot in defiance of the law does nothing to help change the law.  You might sit there and think you are being defiant and righteous, but you are not.  You are just being selfish and stupid.  And, it just gives cops the chance to bust you and it makes some anti-drug crusader get more fervent and seek even tougher laws.
 
VTC
2013-06-14 04:14:47 AM

Mock26: drayno76: Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.

So you're amoral and don't really care about American citizens, just the profiting politicians. Good to know. I call those people simple minded followers. Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. I bet you did well on standardized tests.

Nope, never said I was amoral at all.  This law really has no moral basis to it.  There is nothing moral or immoral about smoking pot or eating some shrooms.  We are not talking about denying someone basic human rights or anything like that.  A law along those lines would be immoral, but not a law against marijuana. The anti-pot law is stupid and in my opinion should be revoked, but at present it is the law.  So work within the system and change it. Just sitting around smoking pot in defiance of the law does nothing to help change the law.  You might sit there and think you are being ...


/Not a pot smoker
//Not a libertarian
///votes regularly
////Still finds audacity in criminalization of plants
 
2013-06-14 04:15:01 AM

The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.

Nope.  This guy is not worthy of my sympathy.  I have plenty of sympathy for plenty of people, but this guy is not one of them.  If he gets thrown in jail for a couple of years I will have sympathy for his wife who will then be alone, but none for her monumental dumbass of a husband.

As for my name, wrong definition of the word "mock."  Nice try, though.

well, in fairness to the guy, your sympathy is valueless.  (monumental dumbass? overly dramatic indeed.)  this is mostly just letting us know you are a cold, awful person at heart.  its one thing to turn a blind eye to such things or invest no interest in the matter but you said earlier that you laugh your ass off every time this kind of thing happens. that's glee in the pain of others.  i would be ashamed to be one of your parents, to know i raised something so cruel.

 

Of course my sympathy if valueless, because I have to farking sympathy for the guy!

Nor am I taking glee in the pain of others.  I am taking glee in their getting busted for breaking the law.  Huge world of difference there.
 
2013-06-14 04:16:25 AM

VTC: Mock26: drayno76: Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.

So you're amoral and don't really care about American citizens, just the profiting politicians. Good to know. I call those people simple minded followers. Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. I bet you did well on standardized tests.

Nope, never said I was amoral at all.  This law really has no moral basis to it.  There is nothing moral or immoral about smoking pot or eating some shrooms.  We are not talking about denying someone basic human rights or anything like that.  A law along those lines would be immoral, but not a law against marijuana. The anti-pot law is stupid and in my opinion should be revoked, but at present it is the law.  So work within the system and change it. Just sitting around smoking pot in defiance of the law does nothing to help change the law.  You might sit there and think you are being ...


/Not a pot smoker
//Not a libertarian
///votes regularly
////Still finds audacity in criminalization of plants


And as I have said several times already, I think the law is stupid, too.
 
2013-06-14 04:18:49 AM

VTC: Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.

Dude, I'm willing to bet your mother didn't take you off the tate till your were well into your teens.


Oh boy, you really zinged me good with that.  Golly gee, your ad hominem is just so darned nifty!
 
VTC
2013-06-14 04:22:43 AM
Mock26: And as I have said several times already, I think the law is stupid, too.

Yes, and yet you're a massive vag.

I challenge you, next time you roll a stop sign, play your car stereo beyond the legislated maximum octave, double park or slide even a mile above the speed limit, take your self righteous ass down to the local law enforcement and voluntarily indict yourself and pay the fine. Then I will accept your callousness and veiled cries to return to your mother's deeply missed womb.
 
2013-06-14 04:23:47 AM

drp: All medicines are available or prescribed (or should be) based on careful risk-benefit analysis.  Inherent and necessary for that analysis to be done correctly is accurate and repeatable dosing, which isn't possible with smoking marijuana obtained from one's yard or a local dispensary.


It should be tested and labelled with THC and CBD content, especially if it is "recommended" by a doctor (they can't actually prescribe it anywhere in the US right now).  I'm not sure, but I think that's actually been part of some states laws.

As with any medicine though, doctors cannot always be sure what medicine or dose will work best for a particular patient and some adjustments may be necessary, especially as a patient's condition changes.

Very often prescriptions are written which include words like "Take 1-2 every 4 hours as needed".  Medicine is not always as precise as we'd like it to be.

I believe there are people with legitimate medical needs who have tried FDA medicines and found that they don't work as well as medical marijuana.

I will agree with you that MM laws are often abused by people who just want to get high, but that doesn't mean that MM is stupid.
 
2013-06-14 04:23:58 AM

Mock26: drayno76: Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.

So you're amoral and don't really care about American citizens, just the profiting politicians. Good to know. I call those people simple minded followers. Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. I bet you did well on standardized tests.

Nope, never said I was amoral at all.  This law really has no moral basis to it.  There is nothing moral or immoral about smoking pot or eating some shrooms.  We are not talking about denying someone basic human rights or anything like that.  A law along those lines would be immoral, but not a law against marijuana. The anti-pot law is stupid and in my opinion should be revoked, but at present it is the law.  So work within the system and change it. Just sitting around smoking pot in defiance of the law does nothing to help change the law.  You might sit there and think you are being defiant and righteous, but you are not.  You are just being selfish and stupid.  And, it just gives cops the chance to bust you and it makes some anti-drug crusader get more fervent and seek even tougher laws.


If you are willing to call the cops on someone with weed, which results in their arrest, removal of their children to state care, the seizure if their property and the life long suspension of the right to vote and the prevention of them ever obtaining gainful employment; you sir are the epitome of amoral.

If you go have a beer after, you are a hypocrite. If you brag about it, you're a jerk.

Right now I'm leaning towards cop.

Assuming I do more in life than smoke pot, which is an understatement you have no idea what people are doing from the outside. So far we have 20 decriminalized, medicinal use, or legalized states.

Ya we're sitting on our butts. You however have convinced me to camp outside bars and call in drunk drivers. I'll brag about your arrest for blowing a .085 over some bong rips.
 
2013-06-14 04:36:12 AM

drp: No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.


http://www.cannlabs.com/ 

http://www.comobiletesting.com/tests.cfm

There's just 2 of them.  That wasn't hard.
 
2013-06-14 04:41:54 AM

gfid: drp: No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.

http://www.cannlabs.com/ 

http://www.comobiletesting.com/tests.cfm

There's just 2 of them.  That wasn't hard.


I'm thinking drp is a troll or truly derp, that one was too easy. Discovery channel did a whole special on cannabis gas chromatograph testing going on in CA and CO and how it was shaping cannabis knowledge but improving treatments.
 
2013-06-14 04:45:08 AM

J. Frank Parnell: drp: Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines. It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.

If that were true you wouldn't have all the major drug companies scrambling to make a synthetic version which is just as effective. And failing.

There is a lot of hard science behind all the claims made.


Additionally I'm in remission with a neuro disease due to marijuana. There's been numerous anecdotal accounts of it helping (and my farking NEUROLOGIST was the one who first told me). Due to it being illegal at the time and lack of anything outside of anecdotal evidence I didn't feel the legal risk (to others) was worth it.

Once it was legal in CA for medical purposes I eventually got my card and gave it a try. My disease is one of the diseases listed under 215 (but as it's relatively rare it's identifying, I don't wish to state it). I was sick as hell for 10 years. I was in horrible pain...for ten years. I STILL wake up some days just marveling at how I do not farking *HURT*. I've been in remission for almost 3 years.

Or I could've gone with brain surgery that often doesn't work and has side effects...well it wasn't worth it to me. The meds I was on, some of them had side effects about as fun as chemo (without the hair loss). It also caused some other medical problems probably that won't kill me, but pretty much suck donkey balls.

Oh and that doesn't include the opiates. Or the ER visits for morphine at times.

I was a stoner in high school and college. I have no problems with being a stoner. I was a stoner when it was illegal. I enjoy getting high.

But to act as if it has no medical value is farking stupid. Now, my account is anecdotal and I'm not even remotely willing to provide evidence. So feel free to be skeptical and think I'm a big fat liar. There's *plenty* of other medical cases out there of children being treated successfully with medical marijuana where it is the BEST choice for their problems, and are doing so in some states fully legally *and* with real doctor supervision.

And most people don't give two farks about drug companies developing something, especially the sick ones. I'd rather take digitalis than foxglove...if I had that specific heart problem. I'd rather take aspirin than brew a willow bark tea.

But thus far, all they've come up with is a big bunch of suck. Marinol doesn't seem to work for a lot of people. Or when it does, it doesn't work as well.

As far as the stoners go, given what a farking benign drug it is, might as well fully legalize it. Then you'll have hobby growers AND scientists refining medication for various illnesses and for recreational consumption.

Again, I'm pro-pot for fun use. I'd still smoke it now if I didn't have to medically. But you can eat a big bowl of donkey dicks if you think it doesn't grant a huge farking boon to some very sick people. I farking wish I had tried it sooner, as soon as my neuro told me about another patient who was a stoner who was in remission (and other online cases he'd found). Would've saved me and others a lot of hardship. =\
 
2013-06-14 04:49:43 AM

Lady Indica: J. Frank Parnell: drp: Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines. It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.

If that were true you wouldn't have all the major drug companies scrambling to make a synthetic version which is just as effective. And failing.

There is a lot of hard science behind all the claims made.

Additionally I'm in remission with a neuro disease due to marijuana. There's been numerous anecdotal accounts of it helping (and my farking NEUROLOGIST was the one who first told me). Due to it being illegal at the time and lack of anything outside of anecdotal evidence I didn't feel the legal risk (to others) was worth it.

Once it was legal in CA for medical purposes I eventually got my card and gave it a try. My disease is one of the diseases listed under 215 (but as it's relatively rare it's identifying, I don't wish to state it). I was sick as hell for 10 years. I was in horrible pain...for ten years. I STILL wake up some days just marveling at how I do not farking *HURT*. I've been in remission for almost 3 years.

Or I could've gone with brain surgery that often doesn't work and has side effects...well it wasn't worth it to me. The meds I was on, some of them had side effects about as fun as chemo (without the hair loss). It also caused some other medical problems probably that won't kill me, but pretty much suck donkey balls.

Oh and that doesn't include the opiates. Or the ER visits for morphine at times.

I was a stoner in high school and college. I have no problems with being a stoner. I was a stoner when it was illegal. I enjoy getting high.

But to act as if it has no medical value is farking stupid. Now, my account is anecdotal and I'm not even remotely willing to provide evidence. So feel free to be skeptical and think I'm a big fat liar. There's *plenty* of other medical cases out there of children being treated successfully with medical marijuana where it is the BEST choice for their problems, and are doing so in some states fully legally *and* with real doctor supervision.

And most people don't give two farks about drug companies developing something, especially the sick ones. I'd rather take digitalis than foxglove...if I had that specific heart problem. I'd rather take aspirin than brew a willow bark tea.

But thus far, all they've come up with is a big bunch of suck. Marinol doesn't seem to work for a lot of people. Or when it does, it doesn't work as well.

As far as the stoners go, given what a farking benign drug it is, might as well fully legalize it. Then you'll have hobby growers AND scientists refining medication for various illnesses and for recreational consumption.

Again, I'm pro-pot for fun use. I'd still smoke it now if I didn't have to medically. But you can eat a big bowl of donkey dicks if you think it doesn't grant a huge farking boon to some very sick people. I farking wish I had tried it sooner, as soon as my neuro told me about another patient who was a stoner who was in remission (and other online cases he'd found). Would've saved me and others a lot of hardship. =\


Favorited!!! I have a friend who went out there with MS, she hasn't had the shakes in over a year!! I need to move. :(
 
2013-06-14 04:52:14 AM

gfid: drp: No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.

http://www.cannlabs.com/
http://www.comobiletesting.com/tests.cfm

There's just 2 of them.  That wasn't hard.


All of what I buy is lab tested. And they test every batch from the grower, even those previously tested. I pay $375 an oz. I smoke daily.

I also wouldn't need 100+ plants either though. I've never grown, so I'm not speaking from experience here...but from what I do know/have asked about plants, if you have a proper set up, you would not need that many plants. There are plenty which come to 'harvest' within 4-8 weeks and have high yields. Of course, since he's in a state where it's illegal he might have crappy plants, and a lousy set up or something. Or low yield speciality plants.

If he was selling or distributing it wouldn't be hard for them to have evidence of that. Since we've heard no such thing...it's possible it was all for personal use. Especially if he was worried about her being without and harvest fails and such.
 
2013-06-14 04:53:15 AM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.

Impossible to do... Schedule 1... no research allowed per Fed.

- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
There are other delivery methods (which I know you are aware of, so point nullified)

- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
There are qualified doctors who prescribe this medicine for very real conditions, and it is known to help with those conditions - point nullified.

- Abuse potential.
Abuse of ham sandwiches or Funyons does not count... sorry... and before you go off on some tangent about the addictive nature of marijuana, you should probably be aware of this fun fact: Marijuana has a lower abuse potential than Nicotine or Caffeine (which are both quite legal).

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.
Absolutely... I agree... it should be OTC just like aspirin if used as a medicine.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.
Here is a fun fact: All medicines work for a limited amount of time. No medicine is a one dose cures all (except maybe Plan B).

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.
If the DEA wasn't a paranoid schizophrenic organization and actually categorized marijuana properly, then research could be done just like on any other substance.

One last fun fact: Most of our medicine comes from plant sources.
 
2013-06-14 04:55:37 AM

drayno76: Mock26: drayno76: Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.

So you're amoral and don't really care about American citizens, just the profiting politicians. Good to know. I call those people simple minded followers. Zero tolerance = zero intelligence. I bet you did well on standardized tests.

Nope, never said I was amoral at all.  This law really has no moral basis to it.  There is nothing moral or immoral about smoking pot or eating some shrooms.  We are not talking about denying someone basic human rights or anything like that.  A law along those lines would be immoral, but not a law against marijuana. The anti-pot law is stupid and in my opinion should be revoked, but at present it is the law.  So work within the system and change it. Just sitting around smoking pot in defiance of the law does nothing to help change the law.  You might sit there and think you are being defiant and righteous, but you are not.  You are just being selfish and stupid.  And, it just gives cops the chance to bust you and it makes some anti-drug crusader get more fervent and seek even tougher laws.


If you are willing to call the cops on someone with weed, which results in their arrest, removal of their children to state care, the seizure if their property and the life long suspension of the right to vote and the prevention of them ever obtaining gainful employment; you sir are the epitome of amoral.

If you go have a beer after, you are a hypocrite. If you brag about it, you're a jerk.

Right now I'm leaning towards cop.

Assuming I do more in life than smoke pot, which is an understatement you have no idea what people are doing from the outside. So far we have 20 decriminalized, medicinal use, or legalized states.

Ya we're sitting on our butts. You however have convinced me to camp outside bars and call in drunk drivers. I'll brag about your arrest for blowing a .085 over some bong rips.


If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted. If they lose their job, their homes, their kids, their right to vote, etc., well, they obviously did not care about any of those things, because if they did they would not have risked losing it by smoking some pot while sitting on a park bench three feet from where I am trying to eat my lunch.  And If I call the cops and them come and bust the pot smokers and I then go have a beer afterwards, well guess what? I am over the age of 21 so having a beer is perfectly legal!  If you cannot afford to do the time then do not do the crime.  Smoking pot out is public is just monumentally stupid and such stupidity should be punished as often as possible.

Not a cop.  Commodities services.  Not everyone who chooses to obey the law is a cop.

And if you want to camp outside bars and call in drunk drivers, then go ahead and good for you!   I have called the police on drunk drivers before, and will continue to do so.
 
2013-06-14 05:00:02 AM

drayno76: Favorited!!! I have a friend who went out there with MS, she hasn't had the shakes in over a year!! I need to move. :(


Gamed with a guy who's dad has MS, really bad. Son got him on medicinal, and he's doing *much* better. Have heard more than a few accounts of it.

Strongly urge people to always, always, always tell your doctors though. I had to see two specialists while sick. One wasn't a fan of med. marijuana and explained why and we talked about it at length. Primarily his issue was that he had seen patients with glaucoma who went that route, and he did not think it was EVER more beneficial than prescribed medicine. He allowed perhaps in the past, it might've been...but today he asserted it simply wasn't the case, and it some cases it seemed to worsen it.

I'm not at all familiar with glaucoma and marijuana use, but your doctors are there to monitor, manage and treat your disease (if you have a nasty one, you often have a 'team' woo). So use them as such and include them. Plus patients are often the worst judge of some things. I 'felt' sicker while under treatment because the meds (before pot) made me so farking sick. But the serious damage caused by the disease were being treated/mitigated by those meds. Meds didn't and couldn't treat the disease, but could prevent worst problems of the disease from happening. Trade off. A trade off that some people stop wanting to make, and they go just the pure painkiller route. I can't fault them, I've been there.

And to be honest, I'm still surprised today I made it through without killing myself. It sucked that much. I'm really glad I did, but in hindsight...I'm not sure how. I used to be terrified of going out of remission, nightmare terrified. I'm finally starting to believe it will be for good. And taking for granted feeling good. Oh my goodness, I cannot express to you how wonderful that is.

Okay now I'm crying. fark you all. ;)
 
2013-06-14 05:12:36 AM

Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted. If they lose their job, their homes, their kids, their right to vote, etc., well, they obviously did not care about any of those things, because if they did they would not have risked losing it by smoking some pot while sitting on a park bench three feet from where I am trying to eat my lunch.


Second hand marijuana smoke can cause a contact high. Someone exposing others to their smoking without consent is super douchey. Someone exposing children to their smoking is just an absolute asshat.

And with edibles there's not even a medical reason to do it. Narc away.
 
2013-06-14 05:24:22 AM

Lady Indica: drayno76: Favorited!!! I have a friend who went out there with MS, she hasn't had the shakes in over a year!! I need to move. :(

Gamed with a guy who's dad has MS, really bad. Son got him on medicinal, and he's doing *much* better. Have heard more than a few accounts of it.

Strongly urge people to always, always, always tell your doctors though. I had to see two specialists while sick. One wasn't a fan of med. marijuana and explained why and we talked about it at length. Primarily his issue was that he had seen patients with glaucoma who went that route, and he did not think it was EVER more beneficial than prescribed medicine. He allowed perhaps in the past, it might've been...but today he asserted it simply wasn't the case, and it some cases it seemed to worsen it.

I'm not at all familiar with glaucoma and marijuana use, but your doctors are there to monitor, manage and treat your disease (if you have a nasty one, you often have a 'team' woo). So use them as such and include them. Plus patients are often the worst judge of some things. I 'felt' sicker while under treatment because the meds (before pot) made me so farking sick. But the serious damage caused by the disease were being treated/mitigated by those meds. Meds didn't and couldn't treat the disease, but could prevent worst problems of the disease from happening. Trade off. A trade off that some people stop wanting to make, and they go just the pure painkiller route. I can't fault them, I've been there.

And to be honest, I'm still surprised today I made it through without killing myself. It sucked that much. I'm really glad I did, but in hindsight...I'm not sure how. I used to be terrified of going out of remission, nightmare terrified. I'm finally starting to believe it will be for good. And taking for granted feeling good. Oh my goodness, I cannot express to you how wonderful that is.

Okay now I'm crying. fark you all. ;)


I know nothing about Glaucoma other than I had the kind that pot didn't fix, apparently there are several types of glaucoma. I have a congenital back disorder that killed my career in my early 20's.  When you can't move the left side of your body, ya can't do much as a musician.  It wasn't until 5 years ago I was properly diagnosed after a LONG series of scans and doctors.  After the lesser pain killers and muscle relaxants stopped to work I started having seizures again, one happened while driving for work and that was the end of career #2 with a medical suspension.  My doc upped my meds to Oxy's and something else that were both 'take as needed.'  I looked at him and point blank asked, will pot do anything?  He replied, "I can't say more than research has recently shown it's a powerful muscle relaxant and pain reliever.'  I didn't leave with a new scrip.  I've not had a seizure in about 4 years now,  so 4 years as a pill mill junkie or a pot head, I know where logic tells me to go and it isn't to the pharmacy.

Stop crying, other than the trolls I feel many of us know some variation of your situation.  I still fear driving a long and having one side of my body start jerking the steering wheel all over the place, thankfully THC has prevented that where big pharma, needles, exercises, medieval torture devices and back crackers couldn't.  I sincerely hope we all have freedom pretty soon.  As Robin Williams said, "These days I get my medicine from my drug dealer and my drugs from my doctors."  It's frightening how true that statement is for many people.
 
2013-06-14 05:42:50 AM

Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.


Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.
 
2013-06-14 05:51:12 AM

OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.


In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.
 
2013-06-14 05:54:45 AM

drayno76: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.


That alignment covers most cops and cop sock puppets.
 
2013-06-14 05:56:19 AM

Lady Indica: gfid: drp: No, there's not.  If you disagree, perhaps you could post a link to the laboratories doing testing and verification of the active ingredients in every strain of marijuana sold in every dispensary.

http://www.cannlabs.com/
http://www.comobiletesting.com/tests.cfm

There's just 2 of them.  That wasn't hard.

All of what I buy is lab tested. And they test every batch from the grower, even those previously tested. I pay $375 an oz. I smoke daily.

I also wouldn't need 100+ plants either though. I've never grown, so I'm not speaking from experience here...but from what I do know/have asked about plants, if you have a proper set up, you would not need that many plants. There are plenty which come to 'harvest' within 4-8 weeks and have high yields. Of course, since he's in a state where it's illegal he might have crappy plants, and a lousy set up or something. Or low yield speciality plants.

If he was selling or distributing it wouldn't be hard for them to have evidence of that. Since we've heard no such thing...it's possible it was all for personal use. Especially if he was worried about her being without and harvest fails and such.


I'm inclined to believe the guy is like me and a lot of people who are professional farmers.  We can't tell a great producing plant from a lousy fertilizer-swilling weed.  So, every year, I will buy 8-10 tomato plants, and hope I get 2 that produce decently.  Maybe if I my life depended on my gardening skills, I would get better at plant selection.  This guy has probably puttered in a garden for years, growing roses or pumpkins, whatever, and wants his wife to be comfortable.  You know, that whole "for better or worse, in sickness and health" mantra.  If  my pathetic gardening ability would comfort a sick relative, you bet I'm willing to try it.  Put me on trial, or put me on a jury, either way, there will be no guilty verdicts then, only acquittals or jury nullifications for these penny ante pot cases.  This kind of case is exactly what wastes resources of tax payers.
 
2013-06-14 06:23:51 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


I'll bet you're a lot of fun on Holocaust Remembrance Day.
 
2013-06-14 06:34:28 AM

Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted. If they lose their job, their homes, their kids, their right to vote, etc., well, they obviously did not care about any of those things, because if they did they would not have risked losing it by smoking some pot while sitting on a park bench three feet from where I am trying to eat my lunch.  And If I call the cops and them come and bust the pot smokers and I then go have a beer afterwards, well guess what? I am over the age of 21 so having a beer is perfectly legal!  If you cannot afford to do the time then do not do the crime.  Smoking pot out is public is just monumentally stupid and such stupidity should be punished as often as possible.

Not a cop.  Commodities services.  Not everyone who chooses to obey the law is a cop.


But, you don't obey all of the laws. None of us do. We have ~10,000 federal criminal laws and twice that in regulations with criminal penalties. It's an absolute certainty that you violate some of those laws every day. At the very least, you violate the Clean Water Act every day... probably several times. You could spend the rest of your life in prison with no chance of parole just for your violations of that one law over the last month. Turn yourself in.
 
2013-06-14 06:49:43 AM
a guest at his neighbor's most recent party must have notified the authorities.

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Just like the asshole friends that reported the neighbors pet deer. You don't live next door. If your friend who does, doesn't care, why do you farking care?
Mind your own farking business. I know you think this makes you a hero but in reality, it makes you an asshole busy body.
 
2013-06-14 06:53:36 AM

abhorrent1: a guest at his neighbor's most recent party must have notified the authorities.

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Just like the asshole friends that reported the neighbors pet deer. You don't live next door. If your friend who does, doesn't care, why do you farking care?
Mind your own farking business. I know you think this makes you a hero but in reality, it makes you an asshole busy body.


It's like the kid in school who tells the substitute teacher what it was you were supposed to be doing that day.
 
2013-06-14 06:58:25 AM

Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.


No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...
 
2013-06-14 07:00:28 AM

Mock26: VTC: For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.


You are correct, the rule of law does not make something right or wrong, from a moral standpoint.  From a legal standpoint, it does.  And until the day comes when you have succeeded in getting the law changed I will laugh my ass off every single time you happen to get caught when feel that you are above society and that the law does not apply to you.  Hades, if I see you doing it I will even help out if I can.  I might not call the cops on you (but then again, maybe I will), but if I see one nearby I will be sure to let them know that you might need some assistance in obeying the law.


You're that guy I see on the interstate, flagging down the 95% of all drivers exceeding the speed limit...
 
2013-06-14 07:24:16 AM

drayno76: drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.

Yet aspirin kills more people in a year than marijuana ever had. I absolutely want those people screwing with an otherwise perfect plant. The FDA is for profit buisiness and doesn't give a rip about people until something goes to court.


So much this ^^^^
 
2013-06-14 07:47:24 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


I believe the left-lane thread is paging you.
 
2013-06-14 08:00:39 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


One day you when you experience endless crippling pain and misery you will change your tune and some prick just like you is going to say the same thing.
 
2013-06-14 08:12:27 AM
this looks like a job for Jury Nullification.
 
2013-06-14 08:16:27 AM
Its funny how legalistic & authoritarian Fark seems to be most of the time -- except in pot threads.
 
2013-06-14 08:16:44 AM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


Here in IL we technically have had medical on the books almost that long. The stipulation was that one agency was supposed to write the rules with input from another agency and neither of them wanted to, so they didn't. Its the regulatory version of defunding a law.
 
2013-06-14 08:20:00 AM
Of course Mock26 won't be answering any more because he has taken himself down to the police station to turn himself in for exceeding the speed limit at some point in his life, or for wanking off to Traci Lords in Penthouse.
 
2013-06-14 08:28:38 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


Sometime the law is an ass, and sometimes laws need to be broken.

/neutral good
 
2013-06-14 08:45:42 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

Sometime the law is an ass, and sometimes laws need to be broken.

/neutral good


Sometimes, the citizenry needs to be broken.  For the greater good.

/lawful evil
 
2013-06-14 08:46:25 AM
Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman.

So then it's not legal. She needed it, he got it by necessary means while causing the least harm, no spouse should expect less. If it were my wife suffering you bet I'd go full Walter White to sort that shiat out yesterday.
 
2013-06-14 09:11:16 AM

Frederick: I wouldnt give too much credibility to the 137 plants statement.  That could easily be cop math.  Or bad plant identification (dont laugh its happened before).  Or a matter of planting a bunch of seedlings in order to weed out the poorly growing ones.

It would be a mistake to automatically assume 137 big, growing, flowering plants.


Pretty much this. Cop Math is a weird thing.

I once beat a speeding ticket by proving that my car was not physically capable of the speed the officer had ticketed me for, though I think the cop freaking out and yelling incoherently at me in front of the judge and other traffic-court defendants was really why I got off. He kept yelling "You were doing a hundred in that Honda! You were! You're just a spoiled brat!"

The car in question was a Geo Metro I personally restored, with my own hands and my own wages, and into which I'd also installed an aftermarket speed governor. It was to be a present for my little brother, who has had an issue with Hereditary Lead Foot Disorder, which we both got from Grandma. Essentially, I put in a reprogrammed computer that kept the engine's output to a level where 70 was the absolute top speed little bro could do, my cunning plan being to either swap them back once he demonstrated Responsibility or to help him sell it to another irresponsible teen and get another, better vehicle, because damn, that Metro was a shiatbox. I got it for $300 from a friend of my grandma's and put $200 more into it, and it passed state inspection but it was not going to win any awards this side of the LeMons for looks. (That was the other plan. If little bro couldn't afford the insurance, I wanted to put in a cage and a five-point, paint it up to look like Great A'Tuin from the Discworld books, take it to LeMons and try my luck for the big bag of nickels. But damned if he's not still driving the POS to this day...)

I had been testing the governor's limit of 70 and had only gotten to 65 before the tach hit 4,000 on a highway where the posted was seventy, but the cop assumed 'kid in shiatbox = easy revenue.' I brought my auto tech instructor with me to court, all the documentation on the governor system I'd installed, the programming files for the computer in question and I also provided the GPS record from my cellphone's navigation app.

It was around the time the judge said "Wow!" that the cop started losing his damn mind. I think the judge let me go A. to punish Officer Crazy and B. to stop me giving the other defendants ideas. (I think the poor cop must've gotten me confused with another, much more mouthy and obnoxious dumb kid in a POS car, given that he had the make wrong in his angry rant and accused I, Princess Brokeass of Cheapskate Mountain, of being spoiled. I am many things, including a scofflaw, a rice-rocketeer and an unrepentant race-modder, but I am NOT spoiled, especially not when it comes to cars. My daily driver is a Yaris, ffs.)

But yeah, sixty-five is 100 and Geo farking Metros with installed speed governors can break the limit when you use Cop Math.

Moral of the story: always, ALWAYS have your GPS on and save the records. Cops tend to match speed with you to determine how fast you're going, and that method can be wildly inaccurate, as can speedometers. GPS, not so much. Also, every other time I've been pulled over, just being friendly, cheerful and saying in your shyest voice "I guess I was just excited about getting the [recent complex repair] done and forgot myself, thank you for stopping me," when asked why one was going that speed has always worked. Usually the officer is just so bumfuzzled and vaguely impressed to meet a woman who does her own head gasket swaps (and not as a job, mind you, this is my hobby,) that we share car trivia for a few moments and then he sends me off with a warning or, in one case, a "Sweetheart, if I'd rebuilt a B20 at your age, I'd be speeding too. Maybe it's time to consider a track membership," and the card for a local speedway.

So now I go to Drag Race The Cops events and do all my speeding there or in lap races. They're all for charity and I typically race for the dog and cat shelter. If you meet enough policemen in that context and they know you're just a harmless crazy cat lady with a fondness for small-blocks and inline fours, the pull-overs for one to six miles over the limit stop. That, and they'll respect you enough to call you when their kids want a pet.
 
2013-06-14 09:21:17 AM

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA:  Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

Huh?


Someone may have already posted this, but a lot of states passed laws "legalizing" pot as long as you got the proper tax sticker or other official recognition of your harvest. This, of course, was a honeypot strategy, because if you went in to get the sticker they would arrest you for distribution or having a broken taillight or something. Then they could weigh your growing plants and fine you for the back taxes you hadn't collected. Since you were in jail for distribution, they could then confiscate your house, car, dog and children to pay the fine. Just another easy way to finance drug enforcement departments and get nice kickbacks to the higher-ups.
 
2013-06-14 09:36:15 AM
Aww Honey, you brought me flowers!
 
2013-06-14 09:45:58 AM
Worth reposting. More people need to go to trial, it takes 12 unanimous to convict.

dictionaryperson.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-14 10:14:28 AM

cyberspacedout: I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows


"The director shall obtain marijuana through whatever means he deems most appropriate consistent with federal law."

Well, there's your problem.  The director is waiting for the feds to legalize MJ.
 
2013-06-14 10:30:46 AM

MurphyMurphy: Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.


Get in the farking jail cell old man.

Our laws are to be respected and 'American Justice' awaits.


In other words, it's the same type thing as the marijuana tax stamp
 
2013-06-14 10:39:47 AM

DerpHerder: gibbon1: Notabunny: 137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.

Um... the cops count seedlings as 'a plant'.

Remember half the people involved in the supply side of the drug industry are worthless POS, the world would be a better place if you shot them in the back of the neck and kicked their body in trench and covered it with a backhoe. For people involved in the law enforcement side of things, it's nearly 100%.

\Not saying law enforcement in general mind you.

Ya who knows how many of those "137" were clones. But still event if it was 11 plants harvested every month that's WAY more then one person could need even turned into oil.


I'd never heard of using marijuana for oils and butter and such. So I looked around teh tubes last night, and it turns out that what I said before was a tab bit ignorant. 137 plants might not be unreasonable. Especially if they're being grown in cycles so that some are always ready for harvest.
 
2013-06-14 11:09:21 AM

theorellior: Someone may have already posted this, but a lot of states passed laws "legalizing" pot as long as you got the proper tax sticker or other official recognition of your harvest. This, of course, was a honeypot strategy, because if you went in to get the sticker they would arrest you for distribution or having a broken taillight or something. Then they could weigh your growing plants and fine you for the back taxes you hadn't collected. Since you were in jail for distribution, they could then confiscate your house, car, dog and children to pay the fine. Just another easy way to finance drug enforcement departments and get nice kickbacks to the higher-ups.


Supposedly it was not so much a honeypot since at least in some states it was forbidden to share that information (even though you can't trust they wouldn't).  It was to pile on extra charges of failing to pay the taxes when they busted you.  I'm just going off memory.  It was 20-25 years ago
 
2013-06-14 11:40:29 AM
DNRTFA. Too angry 'authorities' would fark with an elderly man trying to ease his wife ...
 
2013-06-14 12:15:19 PM

VTC: Mock26: And as I have said several times already, I think the law is stupid, too.

Yes, and yet you're a massive vag.

I challenge you, next time you roll a stop sign, play your car stereo beyond the legislated maximum octave, double park or slide even a mile above the speed limit, take your self righteous ass down to the local law enforcement and voluntarily indict yourself and pay the fine. Then I will accept your callousness and veiled cries to return to your mother's deeply missed womb.


If I had been advocating people to turn themselves in for breaking the law then you might have a point.  But, if it will make you feel better, if you see me doing any of those things please feel free to call the cops on me.  And I promise you that if I ever get a ticket for anything I will laugh at myself.
 
2013-06-14 12:17:17 PM

OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.


Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.
 
2013-06-14 12:18:47 PM

DrPainMD: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

I'll bet you're a lot of fun on Holocaust Remembrance Day.


Are you really trying to compare the holocaust to the criminalization of marijuana?  Wow.  That is some might fine derp, Doc.  Mighty fine indeed.
 
2013-06-14 12:27:28 PM

Mock26: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


Yeah, but did black people really need to sit in the front of a bus?  They could make due without that.
 
2013-06-14 12:42:40 PM

PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.


No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...


I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.
 
2013-06-14 12:43:52 PM

spentshells: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

One day you when you experience endless crippling pain and misery you will change your tune and some prick just like you is going to say the same thing.


I already suffer from chronic pain.  The legal meds work just fine, thank you very much.
 
2013-06-14 12:58:46 PM

Mock26: spentshells: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

One day you when you experience endless crippling pain and misery you will change your tune and some prick just like you is going to say the same thing.

I already suffer from chronic pain.  The legal meds work just fine, thank you very much.


So you're addicted to opiods then?  Farking smackhead.
 
2013-06-14 01:15:11 PM
The man is simply pointing out the same farking moral obligation that your "elected"(in fact, not so much) Politicians have and ignore so successfully and profitably.
Move along, they will be back for YOU shortly,,
 
2013-06-14 01:16:55 PM
Since pot is illegally illegalized in the first place, can't we just start over with The Truth?
 
2013-06-14 01:18:17 PM

Mock26: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


But The Stupid is a dead heat in both cases.
As you so deftly demonstrate.
 
2013-06-14 01:47:26 PM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


...So get the FDA to create, regulate, and put into olive oil a form that's safe?

/I mean, ffs, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.
 
2013-06-14 02:14:28 PM

Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...

I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.


So, Rosa Parks should've just stayed in the back of the bus.

Gotcha.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:05 PM

drp: I'm arguing that it is clearly does not meet many of the stadanrds every other prescription medicine in the United States is held to.


You would be wrong. Hundreds of medications are proscribed for uses not listed by either manufacturer or doctor's drug reference. Look up 'off-label prescription'

Want to tell me standards behind that? Protip: There are none, and it's doctor's discretion.
 
2013-06-14 03:20:42 PM

Mock26: Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


When the constitution was written, black people were slaves and marijuana was legal. So I'm not sure what your point is here.
 
2013-06-14 03:25:17 PM

drp: 137 plants for one sick person?

Smoking marijuana is treatment for his wife's COPD?  A condition caused by smoking?

Something doesn't add up.

/ thinks all drugs should be legalized
// but "medical" marijuana is stupid
/// except as a clever end-run around prohibition, kudos to the stoners for that


It's great for relaxing during a bad migraine.

/migrainer
 
2013-06-14 03:26:13 PM

jshine: Its funny how legalistic & authoritarian Fark seems to be most of the time -- except in pot threads.


Are you reading the mirror universe Fark? I would've pegged the overall average attitude of Farkers as mostly anti-authoritarian, in general...

Not that it makes much sense to really talk about the attitude of Fark as if we were all part of a collective hivemind, anyway... We're just a bunch of random people, with pretty much every combination of attitudes possible... The only thing we really have in common is liking this damn place for some reason!
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:30:20 PM

khyberkitsune: drp: I'm arguing that it is clearly does not meet many of the stadanrds every other prescription medicine in the United States is held to.

You would be wrong. Hundreds of medications are proscribed for uses not listed by either manufacturer or doctor's drug reference. Look up 'off-label prescription'

Want to tell me standards behind that? Protip: There are none, and it's doctor's discretion.


I am a doctor, and one with subspecialty training in chronic pain management, no less.

I am well aware of what off-label use of a drug entails.  To say there are no standards is a grossly inaccurate generalization.

When it comes to "medicines" prescribed by physicians, marijuana is in a world of its own.  But talking to medical marijuana proponents is like talking to religious True Believers.  They don't want to hear that it's the ONLY "medicine" without rigorous quality control or consistent quantities of the active ingredient(s), and delivery by burning and inhaling the fumes.

Again, I favor legalization.  You won't ever hear me rail against the evils of marijuana.  I think it's a pretty benign drug.  If it was legal, I might even occasionally smoke it myself, the way I occasionally drink alcohol.  I'm just not willing to play along with this medicalization charade.  It's a drug that makes some people feel better.  Some of them have medical problems.  That's it.
 
2013-06-14 04:08:13 PM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


Iowa has had a medical law since 1979.....but you still get arrested for it....the law is not in force until the Govt. sets the rules...they just never set the rules so still "illegal"
 
2013-06-14 04:14:56 PM

Mock26: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


You have a a short term memory problem, I see.
 
2013-06-14 04:54:16 PM

PunGent: Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...

I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.

So, Rosa Parks should've just stayed in the back of the bus.

Gotcha.


Funny, I never actually said that.  The "sit in the back of the bus" laws were unjust, in part because they violated the Constitutional rights of people based on the color of their skin.  A law banning marijuana is hardly unjust.  Amazing that you cannot see the difference between these two laws.
 
2013-06-14 05:00:31 PM

drayno76: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.


Really?  So, let us say that the Lords of Waterdeep have issued a decree making it illegal to criticize or make fun of the Lords of Waterdeep.  Some scribe is walking down the street at night and he sees a bard putting up posters.  These posters contain caricatures of the Lords of Waterdeep as well as the lyrics of a song that criticizes them.  The scribe, having just passed a patrol of the town guard a few streets back goes and tells them what he saw.  The guards go and arrest the bard.  How by any definition of the word is that an evil act?  Hmmm?  Care to explain that one?  Man, you must have really sucked at playing D&D.
 
2013-06-14 05:03:20 PM

Mock26: drayno76: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.

Really?  So, let us say that the Lords of Waterdeep have issued a decree making it illegal to criticize or make fun of the Lords of Waterdeep.  Some scribe is walking down the street at night and he sees a bard putting up posters.  These posters contain caricatures of the Lords of Waterdeep as well as the lyrics of a song that criticizes them.  The scribe, having just passed a patrol of the town guard a few streets back goes and tells them what he saw.  The guards go and arrest the bard.  How by any definition of the word is that an evil act?  Hmmm?  Care to explain that one?  Man, you must have really sucked at playing D&D.


I bet you believe that "only following orders" is a valid defense.
 
2013-06-14 05:37:47 PM
137 plants.

Displayed 137 of 137 comments
Coincidence? I think not.

If all he's doing is helping his wife, I'm more than a little curious as to why he needs 137 plants. Either he's the world's worst grower getting terrible yields, or he's selling some. Maybe he also needs that money to support her, but that's not what's being said here.

If every plant got 1/4 lb, he'd have over 30 lbs of weed. cut that in half again, and wifey would have over a pound to smoke every month. just about an ounce per day.

I just don't see it. I'm plenty sympathetic to his desire to help his wife, but this isn't adding up
 
2013-06-14 05:44:37 PM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


What's really fun knowing is that it was Federally legal Medical Marijuana at one point.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/04/federal-medical-marijuana-pati en t-cannabis-worked-a-miracle-for-me/ (search for more sources...really interesting)

Excerpt:

Each and every month, Musikka eligible to receive 300 marijuana cigarettes, grown, rolled, packed and shipped by employees of the U.S. government, as part of a program that officially stopped accepting patients on orders of President George Bush, Sr. in 1992.

10 joints a day (est.).  Wow.  I go through an ounce every few weeks and it's expensive as hell - $200...I wish they'd bring this program back!
 
2013-06-14 10:09:41 PM

ambercat: I'm for legalization but 137 plants for one person does not seem at all plausible to me.


It's a weed. How many dandelions do you have in your lawn?  Have you counted them? If you have more dandelions than some bullshiat arbitrary number, obviously, you should have to go to jail, and maybe lose your house, too. It's common sense!
 
2013-06-14 10:43:12 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.



They are just following orders!!!
 
2013-06-14 10:52:49 PM

drp: What do we get with medical marijuana,

garden tomatoes and how does it compare to every other medicine vegetable available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking
shape, taste and size is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.


Seriously, people who grow and eat garden tomatoes should be put in prison. All tomatoes should be exactly the same size, shape and taste, always. How else could you eat them? what if a slice does not fit exactly on the bun? what about dieters who need to count calories?

All different kinds of heirloom tomatoes, you say, even different colors of tomatoes? It's chaos! It may bring about the downfall of civilization!

/ makes as much sense as your rant.
 
2013-06-14 11:06:07 PM

drp: Again, I favor legalization.  I want to live in a world where any adult can walk into a 7-11 and buy a bag of marijuana as easily as one can buy a carton of cigarettes or bottle of Mountain Dew.  Where there's no black market, no violent cartels, no war on nouns, no judicial prejudice for incarcerating minorities.

But pretending that "medical marijuana" is rational and consistent with long-held tenets of modern medicine though is either ignorant or dishonest.

Marijuana should be legal because adults should be free to do as they please with their bodies.  Wrapping up the right to use drugs recreationally in layers of silly medical justification may be a clever FU to prohibitionists, but it's not winning the argument or the core right.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-14 11:13:47 PM
DerpHerder:
Ya who knows how many of those "137" were clones. But still event if it was 11 plants harvested every month that's WAY more then one person could need even turned into oil.


It's late spring and they were outside in his garden. He probably just threw a bunch of seeds out there, and they were still seedlings, and many could have gotten eaten by grasshoppers or groundhogs before harvest. Not everybody is some ninja type grower who even knows how to make clones. And when you grow an outdoor plant, you don't harvest every month, you harvest it in late summer before it dies, and that is it.
 
2013-06-14 11:18:52 PM

WeenerGord: He probably just threw a bunch of seeds out there


That reminds me of something I did my senior year of high school.  I took a large quantity of pot seeds and tossed all over the high school property.  Enough of them sprouted to be a bit of a nuisance.  Good times.
 
2013-06-14 11:31:59 PM

drp: I am well aware of what off-label use of a drug entails.  To say there are no standards is a grossly inaccurate generalization.

When it comes to "medicines" prescribed by physicians, marijuana is in a world of its own.  But talking to medical marijuana proponents is like talking to religious True Believers


You know what else is a grossly inaccurate generalization?

Sure, there are some proponents of MM who claim it will cure everything from cancer to broken bones and result in world peace and prosperity while bringing back extinct species if only everyone smoked it, but those are just the loudest and most obnoxious of them.

Most MM proponents are actually quite realistic in their views on its efficacy.
 
2013-06-14 11:35:21 PM
I just put Moron26 on ignore. Really cleaned up the thread for me.

I have seen Moron26 in other threads and it's always the same, bragging about himself and trolling and hating on others. Who the fark needs to see that.
 
2013-06-15 12:53:42 PM

Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...

I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.

So, Rosa Parks should've just stayed in the back of the bus.

Gotcha.

Funny, I never actually said that.  The "sit in the back of the bus" laws were unjust, in part because they violated the Constitutional rights of people based on the color of their skin.  A law banning marijuana is hardly unjust.  Amazing that you cannot see the difference between these two laws.


"Unjust" seems to be your plaything.
All of the criminalization of marijuana is based on lies, deception and planed stupidity.
Marijuana is NOT a narcotic, if we stick to science instead of derp.
"The term narcotic (/nɑrˈkɒtɨk/, from ancient Greek ναρκῶ narkō, "Ι benumb") originally referred medically to any psychoactive compound with any sleep-inducing properties. In the United States it has since become associated with opioids, commonly morphine and heroin and their derivatives, such as hydrocodone. The term is, today, imprecisely defined and typically has negative connotations.[1][2] When used in a legal context in the U.S., a narcotic drug is simply one that is totally prohibited, or one that is used in violation of strict governmental regulation, such as heroin or morphine.
From a pharmacological standpoint it is not a useful term,[3] as is evidenced by the fact that spirit and wine are classified differently due to their intoxicating power; while the narcotic principle to opium and tobacco imparts similar properties. In popular language, alcohol is classed among the stimulants; and opium and tobacco among the narcotics; which are substances whose ultimate effect upon the animal system is to produce torpor and insensibility; but taken in small quantities they at first exhilarate. And since alcohol does the same, most medical writers, at the present day, class it among the narcotics.[4]

Statutory classification of a drug as a narcotic often increases the penalties for violation of drug control statutes. For example, although federal law classifies both cocaine and amphetamines as "Schedule II" drugs, the penalty for possession of cocaine is greater than the penalty for possession of amphetamines because cocaine, unlike amphetamines, is classified as a narcotic.[5]"

So, what we have is a political administrative decision, not a sciencey thingie, and it is incorrect.
How is your "law" doing? Well respected by the citizens? Supported by the studies done at great expense by that same absurd government?
Come to your senses and end this crap.
 
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