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2013-06-14 08:16:44 AM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


Here in IL we technically have had medical on the books almost that long. The stipulation was that one agency was supposed to write the rules with input from another agency and neither of them wanted to, so they didn't. Its the regulatory version of defunding a law.
 
2013-06-14 08:20:00 AM
Of course Mock26 won't be answering any more because he has taken himself down to the police station to turn himself in for exceeding the speed limit at some point in his life, or for wanking off to Traci Lords in Penthouse.
 
2013-06-14 08:28:38 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


Sometime the law is an ass, and sometimes laws need to be broken.

/neutral good
 
2013-06-14 08:45:42 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

Sometime the law is an ass, and sometimes laws need to be broken.

/neutral good


Sometimes, the citizenry needs to be broken.  For the greater good.

/lawful evil
 
2013-06-14 08:46:25 AM
Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman.

So then it's not legal. She needed it, he got it by necessary means while causing the least harm, no spouse should expect less. If it were my wife suffering you bet I'd go full Walter White to sort that shiat out yesterday.
 
2013-06-14 09:11:16 AM

Frederick: I wouldnt give too much credibility to the 137 plants statement.  That could easily be cop math.  Or bad plant identification (dont laugh its happened before).  Or a matter of planting a bunch of seedlings in order to weed out the poorly growing ones.

It would be a mistake to automatically assume 137 big, growing, flowering plants.


Pretty much this. Cop Math is a weird thing.

I once beat a speeding ticket by proving that my car was not physically capable of the speed the officer had ticketed me for, though I think the cop freaking out and yelling incoherently at me in front of the judge and other traffic-court defendants was really why I got off. He kept yelling "You were doing a hundred in that Honda! You were! You're just a spoiled brat!"

The car in question was a Geo Metro I personally restored, with my own hands and my own wages, and into which I'd also installed an aftermarket speed governor. It was to be a present for my little brother, who has had an issue with Hereditary Lead Foot Disorder, which we both got from Grandma. Essentially, I put in a reprogrammed computer that kept the engine's output to a level where 70 was the absolute top speed little bro could do, my cunning plan being to either swap them back once he demonstrated Responsibility or to help him sell it to another irresponsible teen and get another, better vehicle, because damn, that Metro was a shiatbox. I got it for $300 from a friend of my grandma's and put $200 more into it, and it passed state inspection but it was not going to win any awards this side of the LeMons for looks. (That was the other plan. If little bro couldn't afford the insurance, I wanted to put in a cage and a five-point, paint it up to look like Great A'Tuin from the Discworld books, take it to LeMons and try my luck for the big bag of nickels. But damned if he's not still driving the POS to this day...)

I had been testing the governor's limit of 70 and had only gotten to 65 before the tach hit 4,000 on a highway where the posted was seventy, but the cop assumed 'kid in shiatbox = easy revenue.' I brought my auto tech instructor with me to court, all the documentation on the governor system I'd installed, the programming files for the computer in question and I also provided the GPS record from my cellphone's navigation app.

It was around the time the judge said "Wow!" that the cop started losing his damn mind. I think the judge let me go A. to punish Officer Crazy and B. to stop me giving the other defendants ideas. (I think the poor cop must've gotten me confused with another, much more mouthy and obnoxious dumb kid in a POS car, given that he had the make wrong in his angry rant and accused I, Princess Brokeass of Cheapskate Mountain, of being spoiled. I am many things, including a scofflaw, a rice-rocketeer and an unrepentant race-modder, but I am NOT spoiled, especially not when it comes to cars. My daily driver is a Yaris, ffs.)

But yeah, sixty-five is 100 and Geo farking Metros with installed speed governors can break the limit when you use Cop Math.

Moral of the story: always, ALWAYS have your GPS on and save the records. Cops tend to match speed with you to determine how fast you're going, and that method can be wildly inaccurate, as can speedometers. GPS, not so much. Also, every other time I've been pulled over, just being friendly, cheerful and saying in your shyest voice "I guess I was just excited about getting the [recent complex repair] done and forgot myself, thank you for stopping me," when asked why one was going that speed has always worked. Usually the officer is just so bumfuzzled and vaguely impressed to meet a woman who does her own head gasket swaps (and not as a job, mind you, this is my hobby,) that we share car trivia for a few moments and then he sends me off with a warning or, in one case, a "Sweetheart, if I'd rebuilt a B20 at your age, I'd be speeding too. Maybe it's time to consider a track membership," and the card for a local speedway.

So now I go to Drag Race The Cops events and do all my speeding there or in lap races. They're all for charity and I typically race for the dog and cat shelter. If you meet enough policemen in that context and they know you're just a harmless crazy cat lady with a fondness for small-blocks and inline fours, the pull-overs for one to six miles over the limit stop. That, and they'll respect you enough to call you when their kids want a pet.
 
2013-06-14 09:21:17 AM

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA:  Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

Huh?


Someone may have already posted this, but a lot of states passed laws "legalizing" pot as long as you got the proper tax sticker or other official recognition of your harvest. This, of course, was a honeypot strategy, because if you went in to get the sticker they would arrest you for distribution or having a broken taillight or something. Then they could weigh your growing plants and fine you for the back taxes you hadn't collected. Since you were in jail for distribution, they could then confiscate your house, car, dog and children to pay the fine. Just another easy way to finance drug enforcement departments and get nice kickbacks to the higher-ups.
 
2013-06-14 09:36:15 AM
Aww Honey, you brought me flowers!
 
2013-06-14 09:45:58 AM
Worth reposting. More people need to go to trial, it takes 12 unanimous to convict.

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2013-06-14 10:14:28 AM

cyberspacedout: I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows


"The director shall obtain marijuana through whatever means he deems most appropriate consistent with federal law."

Well, there's your problem.  The director is waiting for the feds to legalize MJ.
 
2013-06-14 10:30:46 AM

MurphyMurphy: Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.


Get in the farking jail cell old man.

Our laws are to be respected and 'American Justice' awaits.


In other words, it's the same type thing as the marijuana tax stamp
 
2013-06-14 10:39:47 AM

DerpHerder: gibbon1: Notabunny: 137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.

Um... the cops count seedlings as 'a plant'.

Remember half the people involved in the supply side of the drug industry are worthless POS, the world would be a better place if you shot them in the back of the neck and kicked their body in trench and covered it with a backhoe. For people involved in the law enforcement side of things, it's nearly 100%.

\Not saying law enforcement in general mind you.

Ya who knows how many of those "137" were clones. But still event if it was 11 plants harvested every month that's WAY more then one person could need even turned into oil.


I'd never heard of using marijuana for oils and butter and such. So I looked around teh tubes last night, and it turns out that what I said before was a tab bit ignorant. 137 plants might not be unreasonable. Especially if they're being grown in cycles so that some are always ready for harvest.
 
2013-06-14 11:09:21 AM

theorellior: Someone may have already posted this, but a lot of states passed laws "legalizing" pot as long as you got the proper tax sticker or other official recognition of your harvest. This, of course, was a honeypot strategy, because if you went in to get the sticker they would arrest you for distribution or having a broken taillight or something. Then they could weigh your growing plants and fine you for the back taxes you hadn't collected. Since you were in jail for distribution, they could then confiscate your house, car, dog and children to pay the fine. Just another easy way to finance drug enforcement departments and get nice kickbacks to the higher-ups.


Supposedly it was not so much a honeypot since at least in some states it was forbidden to share that information (even though you can't trust they wouldn't).  It was to pile on extra charges of failing to pay the taxes when they busted you.  I'm just going off memory.  It was 20-25 years ago
 
2013-06-14 11:40:29 AM
DNRTFA. Too angry 'authorities' would fark with an elderly man trying to ease his wife ...
 
2013-06-14 12:15:19 PM

VTC: Mock26: And as I have said several times already, I think the law is stupid, too.

Yes, and yet you're a massive vag.

I challenge you, next time you roll a stop sign, play your car stereo beyond the legislated maximum octave, double park or slide even a mile above the speed limit, take your self righteous ass down to the local law enforcement and voluntarily indict yourself and pay the fine. Then I will accept your callousness and veiled cries to return to your mother's deeply missed womb.


If I had been advocating people to turn themselves in for breaking the law then you might have a point.  But, if it will make you feel better, if you see me doing any of those things please feel free to call the cops on me.  And I promise you that if I ever get a ticket for anything I will laugh at myself.
 
2013-06-14 12:17:17 PM

OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.


Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.
 
2013-06-14 12:18:47 PM

DrPainMD: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

I'll bet you're a lot of fun on Holocaust Remembrance Day.


Are you really trying to compare the holocaust to the criminalization of marijuana?  Wow.  That is some might fine derp, Doc.  Mighty fine indeed.
 
2013-06-14 12:27:28 PM

Mock26: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


Yeah, but did black people really need to sit in the front of a bus?  They could make due without that.
 
2013-06-14 12:42:40 PM

PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.


No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...


I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.
 
2013-06-14 12:43:52 PM

spentshells: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

One day you when you experience endless crippling pain and misery you will change your tune and some prick just like you is going to say the same thing.


I already suffer from chronic pain.  The legal meds work just fine, thank you very much.
 
2013-06-14 12:58:46 PM

Mock26: spentshells: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

One day you when you experience endless crippling pain and misery you will change your tune and some prick just like you is going to say the same thing.

I already suffer from chronic pain.  The legal meds work just fine, thank you very much.


So you're addicted to opiods then?  Farking smackhead.
 
2013-06-14 01:15:11 PM
The man is simply pointing out the same farking moral obligation that your "elected"(in fact, not so much) Politicians have and ignore so successfully and profitably.
Move along, they will be back for YOU shortly,,
 
2013-06-14 01:16:55 PM
Since pot is illegally illegalized in the first place, can't we just start over with The Truth?
 
2013-06-14 01:18:17 PM

Mock26: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


But The Stupid is a dead heat in both cases.
As you so deftly demonstrate.
 
2013-06-14 01:47:26 PM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


...So get the FDA to create, regulate, and put into olive oil a form that's safe?

/I mean, ffs, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.
 
2013-06-14 02:14:28 PM

Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...

I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.


So, Rosa Parks should've just stayed in the back of the bus.

Gotcha.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:05 PM

drp: I'm arguing that it is clearly does not meet many of the stadanrds every other prescription medicine in the United States is held to.


You would be wrong. Hundreds of medications are proscribed for uses not listed by either manufacturer or doctor's drug reference. Look up 'off-label prescription'

Want to tell me standards behind that? Protip: There are none, and it's doctor's discretion.
 
2013-06-14 03:20:42 PM

Mock26: Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


When the constitution was written, black people were slaves and marijuana was legal. So I'm not sure what your point is here.
 
2013-06-14 03:25:17 PM

drp: 137 plants for one sick person?

Smoking marijuana is treatment for his wife's COPD?  A condition caused by smoking?

Something doesn't add up.

/ thinks all drugs should be legalized
// but "medical" marijuana is stupid
/// except as a clever end-run around prohibition, kudos to the stoners for that


It's great for relaxing during a bad migraine.

/migrainer
 
2013-06-14 03:26:13 PM

jshine: Its funny how legalistic & authoritarian Fark seems to be most of the time -- except in pot threads.


Are you reading the mirror universe Fark? I would've pegged the overall average attitude of Farkers as mostly anti-authoritarian, in general...

Not that it makes much sense to really talk about the attitude of Fark as if we were all part of a collective hivemind, anyway... We're just a bunch of random people, with pretty much every combination of attitudes possible... The only thing we really have in common is liking this damn place for some reason!
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:30:20 PM

khyberkitsune: drp: I'm arguing that it is clearly does not meet many of the stadanrds every other prescription medicine in the United States is held to.

You would be wrong. Hundreds of medications are proscribed for uses not listed by either manufacturer or doctor's drug reference. Look up 'off-label prescription'

Want to tell me standards behind that? Protip: There are none, and it's doctor's discretion.


I am a doctor, and one with subspecialty training in chronic pain management, no less.

I am well aware of what off-label use of a drug entails.  To say there are no standards is a grossly inaccurate generalization.

When it comes to "medicines" prescribed by physicians, marijuana is in a world of its own.  But talking to medical marijuana proponents is like talking to religious True Believers.  They don't want to hear that it's the ONLY "medicine" without rigorous quality control or consistent quantities of the active ingredient(s), and delivery by burning and inhaling the fumes.

Again, I favor legalization.  You won't ever hear me rail against the evils of marijuana.  I think it's a pretty benign drug.  If it was legal, I might even occasionally smoke it myself, the way I occasionally drink alcohol.  I'm just not willing to play along with this medicalization charade.  It's a drug that makes some people feel better.  Some of them have medical problems.  That's it.
 
2013-06-14 04:08:13 PM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


Iowa has had a medical law since 1979.....but you still get arrested for it....the law is not in force until the Govt. sets the rules...they just never set the rules so still "illegal"
 
2013-06-14 04:14:56 PM

Mock26: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

Are you really so stupid and uneducated that you cannot see the difference between a law restricting someone's rights based on the color of their skin and a law banning marijuana?  I will give you a hint on the difference:  one of those laws violates a person constitutional and basic human rights.  Second hint:  it is not the marijuana law.


You have a a short term memory problem, I see.
 
2013-06-14 04:54:16 PM

PunGent: Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...

I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.

So, Rosa Parks should've just stayed in the back of the bus.

Gotcha.


Funny, I never actually said that.  The "sit in the back of the bus" laws were unjust, in part because they violated the Constitutional rights of people based on the color of their skin.  A law banning marijuana is hardly unjust.  Amazing that you cannot see the difference between these two laws.
 
2013-06-14 05:00:31 PM

drayno76: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.


Really?  So, let us say that the Lords of Waterdeep have issued a decree making it illegal to criticize or make fun of the Lords of Waterdeep.  Some scribe is walking down the street at night and he sees a bard putting up posters.  These posters contain caricatures of the Lords of Waterdeep as well as the lyrics of a song that criticizes them.  The scribe, having just passed a patrol of the town guard a few streets back goes and tells them what he saw.  The guards go and arrest the bard.  How by any definition of the word is that an evil act?  Hmmm?  Care to explain that one?  Man, you must have really sucked at playing D&D.
 
2013-06-14 05:03:20 PM

Mock26: drayno76: OgreMagi: Mock26: If someone is breaking the law out in public they deserve to get caught and they deserve all the consequences that come with getting busted.

Yeah.  Fark Rosa Parks!

/That's sarcasm.  I'm pointing it out because I believe you have the intelligence of a large brick.
//In other words, you are perfect cop material.

In my gamer days I would have called him Lawful Evil.

Really?  So, let us say that the Lords of Waterdeep have issued a decree making it illegal to criticize or make fun of the Lords of Waterdeep.  Some scribe is walking down the street at night and he sees a bard putting up posters.  These posters contain caricatures of the Lords of Waterdeep as well as the lyrics of a song that criticizes them.  The scribe, having just passed a patrol of the town guard a few streets back goes and tells them what he saw.  The guards go and arrest the bard.  How by any definition of the word is that an evil act?  Hmmm?  Care to explain that one?  Man, you must have really sucked at playing D&D.


I bet you believe that "only following orders" is a valid defense.
 
2013-06-14 05:37:47 PM
137 plants.

Displayed 137 of 137 comments
Coincidence? I think not.

If all he's doing is helping his wife, I'm more than a little curious as to why he needs 137 plants. Either he's the world's worst grower getting terrible yields, or he's selling some. Maybe he also needs that money to support her, but that's not what's being said here.

If every plant got 1/4 lb, he'd have over 30 lbs of weed. cut that in half again, and wifey would have over a pound to smoke every month. just about an ounce per day.

I just don't see it. I'm plenty sympathetic to his desire to help his wife, but this isn't adding up
 
2013-06-14 05:44:37 PM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


What's really fun knowing is that it was Federally legal Medical Marijuana at one point.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/11/04/federal-medical-marijuana-pati en t-cannabis-worked-a-miracle-for-me/ (search for more sources...really interesting)

Excerpt:

Each and every month, Musikka eligible to receive 300 marijuana cigarettes, grown, rolled, packed and shipped by employees of the U.S. government, as part of a program that officially stopped accepting patients on orders of President George Bush, Sr. in 1992.

10 joints a day (est.).  Wow.  I go through an ounce every few weeks and it's expensive as hell - $200...I wish they'd bring this program back!
 
2013-06-14 10:09:41 PM

ambercat: I'm for legalization but 137 plants for one person does not seem at all plausible to me.


It's a weed. How many dandelions do you have in your lawn?  Have you counted them? If you have more dandelions than some bullshiat arbitrary number, obviously, you should have to go to jail, and maybe lose your house, too. It's common sense!
 
2013-06-14 10:43:12 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.



They are just following orders!!!
 
2013-06-14 10:52:49 PM

drp: What do we get with medical marijuana,

garden tomatoes and how does it compare to every other medicine vegetable available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking
shape, taste and size is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.


Seriously, people who grow and eat garden tomatoes should be put in prison. All tomatoes should be exactly the same size, shape and taste, always. How else could you eat them? what if a slice does not fit exactly on the bun? what about dieters who need to count calories?

All different kinds of heirloom tomatoes, you say, even different colors of tomatoes? It's chaos! It may bring about the downfall of civilization!

/ makes as much sense as your rant.
 
2013-06-14 11:06:07 PM

drp: Again, I favor legalization.  I want to live in a world where any adult can walk into a 7-11 and buy a bag of marijuana as easily as one can buy a carton of cigarettes or bottle of Mountain Dew.  Where there's no black market, no violent cartels, no war on nouns, no judicial prejudice for incarcerating minorities.

But pretending that "medical marijuana" is rational and consistent with long-held tenets of modern medicine though is either ignorant or dishonest.

Marijuana should be legal because adults should be free to do as they please with their bodies.  Wrapping up the right to use drugs recreationally in layers of silly medical justification may be a clever FU to prohibitionists, but it's not winning the argument or the core right.


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2013-06-14 11:13:47 PM
DerpHerder:
Ya who knows how many of those "137" were clones. But still event if it was 11 plants harvested every month that's WAY more then one person could need even turned into oil.


It's late spring and they were outside in his garden. He probably just threw a bunch of seeds out there, and they were still seedlings, and many could have gotten eaten by grasshoppers or groundhogs before harvest. Not everybody is some ninja type grower who even knows how to make clones. And when you grow an outdoor plant, you don't harvest every month, you harvest it in late summer before it dies, and that is it.
 
2013-06-14 11:18:52 PM

WeenerGord: He probably just threw a bunch of seeds out there


That reminds me of something I did my senior year of high school.  I took a large quantity of pot seeds and tossed all over the high school property.  Enough of them sprouted to be a bit of a nuisance.  Good times.
 
2013-06-14 11:31:59 PM

drp: I am well aware of what off-label use of a drug entails.  To say there are no standards is a grossly inaccurate generalization.

When it comes to "medicines" prescribed by physicians, marijuana is in a world of its own.  But talking to medical marijuana proponents is like talking to religious True Believers


You know what else is a grossly inaccurate generalization?

Sure, there are some proponents of MM who claim it will cure everything from cancer to broken bones and result in world peace and prosperity while bringing back extinct species if only everyone smoked it, but those are just the loudest and most obnoxious of them.

Most MM proponents are actually quite realistic in their views on its efficacy.
 
2013-06-14 11:35:21 PM
I just put Moron26 on ignore. Really cleaned up the thread for me.

I have seen Moron26 in other threads and it's always the same, bragging about himself and trolling and hating on others. Who the fark needs to see that.
 
2013-06-15 12:53:42 PM

Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: PunGent: Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.

No moral obligation to care for his sick wife?

Your handle IS appropriate, I guess...

I never said he did not have a moral obligation to care for his sick wife.  If you had bothered to read through previous posts you would see that I was saying that his moral obligation did not trump the law.

As for my handled, wrong definition.

So, Rosa Parks should've just stayed in the back of the bus.

Gotcha.

Funny, I never actually said that.  The "sit in the back of the bus" laws were unjust, in part because they violated the Constitutional rights of people based on the color of their skin.  A law banning marijuana is hardly unjust.  Amazing that you cannot see the difference between these two laws.


"Unjust" seems to be your plaything.
All of the criminalization of marijuana is based on lies, deception and planed stupidity.
Marijuana is NOT a narcotic, if we stick to science instead of derp.
"The term narcotic (/nɑrˈkɒtɨk/, from ancient Greek ναρκῶ narkō, "Ι benumb") originally referred medically to any psychoactive compound with any sleep-inducing properties. In the United States it has since become associated with opioids, commonly morphine and heroin and their derivatives, such as hydrocodone. The term is, today, imprecisely defined and typically has negative connotations.[1][2] When used in a legal context in the U.S., a narcotic drug is simply one that is totally prohibited, or one that is used in violation of strict governmental regulation, such as heroin or morphine.
From a pharmacological standpoint it is not a useful term,[3] as is evidenced by the fact that spirit and wine are classified differently due to their intoxicating power; while the narcotic principle to opium and tobacco imparts similar properties. In popular language, alcohol is classed among the stimulants; and opium and tobacco among the narcotics; which are substances whose ultimate effect upon the animal system is to produce torpor and insensibility; but taken in small quantities they at first exhilarate. And since alcohol does the same, most medical writers, at the present day, class it among the narcotics.[4]

Statutory classification of a drug as a narcotic often increases the penalties for violation of drug control statutes. For example, although federal law classifies both cocaine and amphetamines as "Schedule II" drugs, the penalty for possession of cocaine is greater than the penalty for possession of amphetamines because cocaine, unlike amphetamines, is classified as a narcotic.[5]"

So, what we have is a political administrative decision, not a sciencey thingie, and it is incorrect.
How is your "law" doing? Well respected by the citizens? Supported by the studies done at great expense by that same absurd government?
Come to your senses and end this crap.
 
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