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(Opposing Views)   Elderly man grows marijuana for his sick wife, gets busted for drug trafficking. His justification: "I have a moral obligation to make my wife as comfortable as possible"   (opposingviews.com) divider line 148
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2013-06-13 10:15:11 PM
How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing?  Curious.
 
2013-06-13 10:20:04 PM
Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.


Get in the farking jail cell old man.

Our laws are to be respected and 'American Justice' awaits.
 
2013-06-13 10:23:04 PM
This man is a hero and this case should be dropped.
 
2013-06-13 10:25:20 PM
Well I certainly feel safer now

/*eyeroll*
 
2013-06-13 10:31:14 PM
This shiat is so stupid. Just ridiculous.
 
2013-06-13 11:31:37 PM
FTFA:  Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

Huh?
 
2013-06-13 11:53:58 PM
Really, you have nothing better to do with your law enforcement and judicial resources? Yeah, I'm not buying that for a second.
 
2013-06-14 12:17:34 AM

Frederick: How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing?  Curious.


They can seize his house now, since it might have been bought with drug money
 
2013-06-14 12:22:39 AM
And yet Zodiac remains free.
 
2013-06-14 12:53:38 AM
137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.
 
2013-06-14 01:22:40 AM
Seems reasonable to me.
 
2013-06-14 02:13:45 AM

skatedrifter: This man is a hero and this case should be dropped.


But enough about Edward Snowden...
 
2013-06-14 02:23:39 AM
137 plants?
Yeah, it's only for his wife.
I'm for legalization, but c'mon.
 
2013-06-14 02:27:07 AM

doglover: And yet Zodiac remains free.


I lol'd, but then I'm a terrible person.
 
2013-06-14 02:27:09 AM
137 plants is enough to keep his wife smoking every two hours everyday for the rest of her life.  Every two hours, everyday (waking hours).  Those plants were in rotation for budding and constant harvest.  It's probably just enough.
 
2013-06-14 02:27:12 AM
137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.
 
drp
2013-06-14 02:27:24 AM
137 plants for one sick person?

Smoking marijuana is treatment for his wife's COPD?  A condition caused by smoking?

Something doesn't add up.

/ thinks all drugs should be legalized
// but "medical" marijuana is stupid
/// except as a clever end-run around prohibition, kudos to the stoners for that
 
2013-06-14 02:29:20 AM
Rawlsian theory: the good and/or the right.
 
2013-06-14 02:30:25 AM
Wow, those cops must feel so elated. Imagine the thrill they got when they finally put the cuffs on that dangerous guy. High-fives all around the department, victory speech from the lead detective, obligatory picture of the dangerous plants for the 5:00 news...

This is ricockulous.
 
drp
2013-06-14 02:31:28 AM

juniperwasting: 137 plants is enough to keep his wife smoking every two hours everyday for the rest of her life.  Every two hours, everyday (waking hours).  Those plants were in rotation for budding and constant harvest.  It's probably just enough.


Hmm, learn something new every day.  Seemed excessive.

/ or cop math
 
2013-06-14 02:31:51 AM
I'm for legalization but 137 plants for one person does not seem at all plausible to me.
 
2013-06-14 02:35:15 AM
It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.

It is the prosecutor's job to decide which cases ought to be taken to court.
 
2013-06-14 02:36:02 AM

drp: // but "medical" marijuana is stupid


Fark ran an article recently about a little girl in Colorado who was having dozens of seizures every day, none of the "official" drugs worked, until her parents tried a low-THC, high-whatever-that-other-chemical-is version medical marijuana.  (Olive oil suspension, not smoking.)

For management of continuous pain, all the choices are bad one way or  another, but medical marijuana is considered the least bad by some people.

Then of course there is the original, federal-government-recognized use for glaucoma.
 
2013-06-14 02:36:42 AM

drp: 137 plants for one sick person?

Smoking marijuana is treatment for his wife's COPD?  A condition caused by smoking?

Something doesn't add up.

/ thinks all drugs should be legalized
// but "medical" marijuana is stupid
/// except as a clever end-run around prohibition, kudos to the stoners for that


How is it stupid?
 
2013-06-14 02:40:03 AM
10 to 1 says he was making oils or edibles for his wife. That takes a lot of weed to do in high doses. F.M. and COPD are both treated with ingested cannabis. 1 lb of butter takes about 1/2 oz of green, other oils take far more. I don't think his plants were excessive, I've read some plants are super potent but yield very little.

Another boomer martyr to add to the legalization cause, se as Cathy Jordan.
 
2013-06-14 02:42:40 AM
I wouldnt give too much credibility to the 137 plants statement.  That could easily be cop math.  Or bad plant identification (dont laugh its happened before).  Or a matter of planting a bunch of seedlings in order to weed out the poorly growing ones.

It would be a mistake to automatically assume 137 big, growing, flowering plants.
 
2013-06-14 02:43:15 AM
Love all the 'I'm for legalization, but not THAT much legalization' comments in this farktastic thread.

Seriously: fark you if you think you know better in with dosing.

Also, 'legalization' tards, perhaps you all outta research legalization vs. decriminalization.

Legalization: government permission slip.
Decrim: government gets the hell out of the way and undoes its previous mistakes.
 
2013-06-14 02:50:33 AM

fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.


I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows
 
2013-06-14 02:50:37 AM

Todd300: Love all the 'I'm for legalization, but not THAT much legalization' comments in this farktastic thread.

Seriously: fark you if you think you know better in with dosing.

Also, 'legalization' tards, perhaps you all outta research legalization vs. decriminalization.

Legalization: government permission slip.
Decrim: government gets the hell out of the way and undoes its previous mistakes.


I'll take either gladly. I already need a permission slip to drive, own a house, buy a beer, or buy allergy meds because of my wife's farking cats.
 
2013-06-14 02:53:22 AM

cyberspacedout: fusillade762: 137 pot plants

Sh*t, how much weed does she smoke?


Under current law, medical marijuana is legal, but only if it is purchased from South Carolina's Department of Health and Environmental Control. However, the Department has never actually distributed any marijuana according to department spokesman. The law is 33 years old.

LOLWUT? I don't see South Carolina on the list of states with medical marijuana laws. And I can't think of ANY state that's had one for that long.  Someone help me out here.

I was surprised myself. Me being from the other side of the country and not really knowing anything about South Carolina, I had to Google it: http://www.wspa.com/story/22409548/effort-to-legalize-medical-marijua n a-in-sc-fails-but-state-law-already-allows


Iowa has something similar. Doctors can prescribe marijuana for 'state authorized' conditions but never authorized any conditions.
 
2013-06-14 02:55:24 AM

Frederick: How the hell is the state going to prove trafficking?  Why didnt the prosecution go for possession and manufacturing

throw themselves in front of a bus and make the world a better place?  Curious.

FTFY
 
2013-06-14 02:57:51 AM
Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.
 
2013-06-14 02:58:03 AM

drayno76: Iowa has something similar. Doctors can prescribe marijuana for 'state authorized' conditions but never authorized any conditions.


And if you are going to sell illegal drugs in Iowa you need to get a drug tax stamp, or face extra penalties.  No one has ever requested a drug stamp yet.
 
2013-06-14 03:03:02 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


I find it frightening how many people think that cannabis growers are criminal. The 'war' on drugs is aimed at profiting from criminalizing American citizens, it serves no true social value other than escalating violence of black market trade.

I support those who tell the govt to get the Fark out of our lives, not the thugs that profit from imprisonment and crimes created to increase profit for industries.

I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.
 
2013-06-14 03:05:34 AM
My sister suffers from fibromyalgia.  Fortunately, she lives in California and has no problems getting her pot legally.  My mom has severe arthritis.  Pot helps relieve the pain without the typical side effects.  She prefers her dose in cookie form as smoking it doesn't go well with her normally mild asthma.

Personally, I don't touch pot.  All it does to me as make me want a long nap.

And fark laws that say you must get it from the government, but never make it available.
 
2013-06-14 03:06:00 AM

drayno76: I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.


Funny, Nixon felt the opposite way.
 
2013-06-14 03:07:06 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.

It is the prosecutor's job to decide which cases ought to be taken to court.


And it's every person's job to have some compassion for people suffering from pain.
 
drp
2013-06-14 03:08:02 AM

gittlebass: How is it stupid?


Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.
 
2013-06-14 03:09:17 AM

drayno76: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

I find it frightening how many people think that cannabis growers are criminal. The 'war' on drugs is aimed at profiting from criminalizing American citizens, it serves no true social value other than escalating violence of black market trade.

I support those who tell the govt to get the Fark out of our lives, not the thugs that profit from imprisonment and crimes created to increase profit for industries.

I'd rather live in a world of stoners than drunks.


Well good for you then.  Do you want a cookie?
 
2013-06-14 03:10:33 AM

Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.


you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)
 
2013-06-14 03:11:07 AM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


Yet aspirin kills more people in a year than marijuana ever had. I absolutely want those people screwing with an otherwise perfect plant. The FDA is for profit buisiness and doesn't give a rip about people until something goes to court.
 
2013-06-14 03:12:05 AM

WorldCitizen: Really, you have nothing better to do with your law enforcement and judicial resources? Yeah, I'm not buying that for a second.


When you let police get involved in actual important things or give them any leeway for judgement calls on the law, they tend to illegally seize property, shoot random unarmed civilians, beat people because they're not quite as white as biologically possible, etc.  And those are the  honest cops.

Maybe in a perfect world where cops were people of average intelligence and typical morals instead of near the bottom of the barrel on both counts, we could let them trust their judgement on priority in enforcement.  Sadly, that world isn't even within the realm of imagination and is populated solely by the elder gods and alien geometries.  So in the real one we have to hard-code those judgement calls into the law, and that's always going to result in some bugs.  Still better than the alternative, sadly.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:52 AM

The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)


So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:16 AM
Can has jury nullification, please?
 
VTC
2013-06-14 03:17:55 AM
For the folks raging about "respecting the law" or "no one is above the law" you can stuff it. This country thinks that criminalization of stuff is a solution to problems...we can criminalize anything. That does not make that thing wrong. I'm certain that all of you who suggest, "no one is above the law" always gets back in their car to re-park it when they notice they are a few inches over the line, or confess to cops openly about accidentally traveling 5 miles over the speed limit. Kiss my ass. The rule of law does not make something right or wrong.

And for those wondering about the number of plants. If you know anything about plants or cannabis in particular, you know that not all plants are created equal. And in order to change the qualities of a particular species you must interbreed it. Having 137 plants doesn't mean you are trafficking, it means you're a flipping gardener.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:02 AM

OgreMagi: AverageAmericanGuy: It is the police' job to enforce the law, no matter how much it may hurt the public.

It is the prosecutor's job to decide which cases ought to be taken to court.

And it's every person's job to have some compassion for people suffering from pain.


So we take them out back and shoot them?
 
2013-06-14 03:22:33 AM

drp: Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines. It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.


If that were true you wouldn't have all the major drug companies scrambling to make a synthetic version which is just as effective. And failing.

There is a lot of hard science behind all the claims made.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:18 AM

Notabunny: 137 plants? Nobody is going to buy your "personal use" argument, Farmer John.


Um... the cops count seedlings as 'a plant'.

Remember half the people involved in the supply side of the drug industry are worthless POS, the world would be a better place if you shot them in the back of the neck and kicked their body in trench and covered it with a backhoe. For people involved in the law enforcement side of things, it's nearly 100%.

\Not saying law enforcement in general mind you.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:56 AM

Mock26: The Flexecutioner: Mock26: Moral obligation !> the law.

Yeah, yeah, pot should be legalized, but until it is I have no sympathy for those who think that they are above the law and then whine when they get caught.

you should read the article for all the whining he did.  he's totally a scumbag.

(hint hint: he voluntarily turned himself in and made the cops coffee while they took his plants.  again, total scumbag.)

So, where exactly did I call him a scumbag or even anything remotely close to that?  The truth is that I did not.  So why the need to be so overly dramatic?  I merely said I had no sympathy for him and mocked him for whining (I see his claim of moral obligation to be whining).  And good for him for turning himself in.  It does not make what he did any less illegal.


your inference of him 'whining' was overly dramatic.  any claim of reason is not whining.  and for whatever reason you felt the need to let us know you have no sympathy for him, which is really a shame.  there are plenty of people worth a little sympathy, as futile as it is, and this guy is a prime candidate.  but, your name is Mock so i get it, its your duty to shiat on good things in life.  carry on.
 
2013-06-14 03:24:59 AM

drp: gittlebass: How is it stupid?

Take a step back from the libertarian / freedom-loving desire for all drugs to be completely legalized, because responsible adults should be able to do as they please with their bodies.  I share that sentiment, but stop and think objectively about the concept of "medical marijuana" for a moment.

What do we get with medical marijuana, and how does it compare to every other medicine available in the United States?
- No quality control.  Any grower, any strain is OK.
- Delivery method.  Smoking is imprecise.
- Indications for use.  "Whatever the patient thinks it might be helpful for."
- Abuse potential.

Putting marijuana in the same category as any other prescription drug in the United States is just silly.  There is no other medicine that is produced, prescribed, or used in such a haphazard fashion.

Again, I absolutely favor legalization of ALL drugs for any use that any adult desires, including recreation.  I'm glad marijuana makes sick people feel better for a little while.  I suspect cocaine would make them feel better for a little while too.  That doesn't mean either are appropriate medical treatments.

Bottom line, it's stupid because "medical marijuana" is not held to the same standards as other medicines.  It is a political maneuver to get around prohibition and that's clever and great, but it's shoddy medicine.  Say what you will about the FDA, but it does a reasonably good job enforcing a minimum level of safety, efficacy, and quality control.


Yeah, people are using pot as a drug as haphazardly as aspirin.  ZOMG!
 
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