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(International Business Times)   Thank you for pre-ordering the Xbox One However, in order to complete your order you must first agree to waive your rights to file a class action lawsuit against Microsoft in case of massive console failures   (ibtimes.com) divider line 149
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2013-06-14 02:09:21 AM
 
2013-06-14 02:10:16 AM

OgreMagi: the_sidewinder: OgreMagi: yes, I'd love to hear a judge say those exact words in a courtroom

You and me both. The terms in EULAs tend to be far too one sided

The last time I read an EULA for a game, I learned that the only guarantee was the disk worked.  No, I don't mean the game on the disk.  I mean that you could read the disk, but the contents of the disk were not guaranteed to do a damn thing, not even execute.  Basically, if I could get a directory listing, their obligation for my $50 was met.

I once tried to return a game.  The installer crashed on three different computers.  The store refused to refund or exchange for a different game.  They would only exchange it for the same game.


You paid $50 for a set of floppies?

/i keed
 
2013-06-14 02:12:08 AM

Smackledorfer: ScaryBottles: firefly212: You Idiots: Probably the nail in the coffin for me on this one. Looking at PS4 now for sure. Been on Xbl for 10 years. Goodbye Bill. RIP.

Umm, even in the PS3 contract, right now it says that you cant file a class action.
PS4= DRM by EA instead of MS, like that's an improvement
PS4= subscription only for online gaming, like XBL

frankly, the more I see of this console war, the more I love my PC.

And there it is.

Eh, at this point it is a valid comment. I see little reason to go console over dumping that cash into my pc at this point. I'm still open; I do prefer the simplicity of a console.

Ymmv.


It would be valid if it wasn't such a sad attempt at trying to make the XBO and the PS4 seem somehow equivalent.  One introduces a bunch of asinine restrictions on user rights when it comes to games and the use/trading thereof.  The other uses the same restrictions that the last generation used, and the generation before that, and before that, etc. etc. etc.

Also, trying to hang responsibility for EA's shiatacular DRM plans on Sony is hilarious.  Did you blame Dell or Alienware or any other PC company for the crapfest that was the SimCity launch?  They made the console it ran on so it must be their fault, right?  Exact same logic.
 
2013-06-14 02:13:05 AM

Someothermonkey: [www.goodgame.hr image 542x416]

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Don Mattrick says deal with it


The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!
 
2013-06-14 02:36:01 AM

foo monkey: I'm not buying an Xbone.  How fail is it, that MSFT didn't think people would call it an "Xbone?"


It's apparently called "XBox recently divorced" in Japan due to a naming/linguistic quirk.
 
2013-06-14 02:38:35 AM

yukichigai: Smackledorfer: ScaryBottles: firefly212: You Idiots: Probably the nail in the coffin for me on this one. Looking at PS4 now for sure. Been on Xbl for 10 years. Goodbye Bill. RIP.

Umm, even in the PS3 contract, right now it says that you cant file a class action.
PS4= DRM by EA instead of MS, like that's an improvement
PS4= subscription only for online gaming, like XBL

frankly, the more I see of this console war, the more I love my PC.

And there it is.

Eh, at this point it is a valid comment. I see little reason to go console over dumping that cash into my pc at this point. I'm still open; I do prefer the simplicity of a console.

Ymmv.

It would be valid if it wasn't such a sad attempt at trying to make the XBO and the PS4 seem somehow equivalent.  One introduces a bunch of asinine restrictions on user rights when it comes to games and the use/trading thereof.  The other uses the same restrictions that the last generation used, and the generation before that, and before that, etc. etc. etc.

Also, trying to hang responsibility for EA's shiatacular DRM plans on Sony is hilarious.  Did you blame Dell or Alienware or any other PC company for the crapfest that was the SimCity launch?  They made the console it ran on so it must be their fault, right?  Exact same logic.


I blame any console, which I would buy for simplicity and reliability (and less and less going forward a superior power ratio and game library for the money. Almost nonexistent now).

Simcity sucking is hardly the damning of all PCs relative to consoles that you seem to think it is.

Granted my views of consoles don't matter to sony or ms. They are fighting over the folks who probably wouldn't consider a pc as their primary gaming device. I almost skipped the last generation but a cheap 360 came my way. It was well worth it. I don't see that happening with this generation.

I am absolutely not just repeating pc master race meme here.
 
2013-06-14 02:43:29 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!


As mentioned in the last thread Military personnel?

Also Launch does not include Japan, which is a major problem.  Here are the launch countries:
• Australia
• Austria
• Belgium
• Brazil
• Canada
• Denmark
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Ireland
• Italy
• Mexico
• Netherlands
• New Zealand
• Norway
• Russia
• Spain
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• United Kingdom
• United States

Spain but no Portugal?
Brazil, but not Venezuela or Peru?
No Jamaica?
No Chile?

Heck, they managed to do Austria, Germany, and Russia, but not Poland.  I'm not even talking about places like South Sudan or Laos.  When your launch doesn't take into account South Korea and Japan, you are not thinking properly.  Those are places that are notoriously hard to "come from behind" at.  Especially when your presence in that region is already tenuous.
 
2013-06-14 02:43:42 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!


You'd be surprised. I'm not liable to take a console on say, a business trip, but I would like to watch netflix or hbogo when I travel. Went to Toronto for a week back in April and neither would work for me there. I was not a happy camper. It's gotten to the point where I keep some copies of shows I want to watch on a USB drive just so I have something to watch if I travel abroad.

Once again, you might be right about consoles but I loathe region restrictions of any kind.
 
2013-06-14 02:56:28 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!


You'd be surprised about the amount of people that would care.  This is actually more annoying to me than the always on requirement. There were always XBoxes or PS3s in Iraq & Afghanistan with the troops.  I'm military right now working overseas in a country that's not covered. From here I'm going to another country that's not covered and I plan on moving to foriegn service once I get out, where shockingly there's a likely chance I won't be in the coverage again.  No XBox for me.  So the majority people who work in embassies and alot of the military overseas won't be able to use one because the country they work in isn't covered.
 
2013-06-14 03:15:43 AM

Someothermonkey: [www.goodgame.hr image 542x416]

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Don Mattrick says deal with it


Pretty sure the EU doesn't allow MS to restrict network use to only some EU nations; it's an all or nothing deal. MS can however limit which EU nations it ships XBones to. There was a case a few years ago brought forth by Sky that made this clear.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:31 AM
firefly212:
PS4= DRM by EA instead of MS, like that's an improvement

True, but customer pressure can make a difference.  Maybe not with EA since they are total assholes, but other game companies will see the backlash and have second thoughts about DRM.

PS4= subscription only for online gaming, like XBL

Again, that will depend upon the game company.  Some games will be worth a subscription, especially if they are constantly adding new content with that subscription.  Games that add nothing from month to month will die.

And since I've made it known I work for SCEA, I have to say this:

My statements are my personal opinion and do not reflect company policy, blah, blah, blah.

Note.  SCEA is very good about employees making comments online.  We can say anything we want so long as we don't reveal trade secrets and we make it clear it's our personal opinion.  So I'll be good so I don't get hauled in front of the legal department .... Except there's this one uber hot chick in legal who always wears fishnet stockings that I wouldn't mind hooking up with ...  Oops.  *sigh*  Another visit from HR is in my future.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:01 AM

OgreMagi: firefly212:
PS4= DRM by EA instead of MS, like that's an improvement

True, but customer pressure can make a difference.  Maybe not with EA since they are total assholes, but other game companies will see the backlash and have second thoughts about DRM.

PS4= subscription only for online gaming, like XBL

Again, that will depend upon the game company.  Some games will be worth a subscription, especially if they are constantly adding new content with that subscription.  Games that add nothing from month to month will die.

And since I've made it known I work for SCEA, I have to say this:

My statements are my personal opinion and do not reflect company policy, blah, blah, blah.

Note.  SCEA is very good about employees making comments online.  We can say anything we want so long as we don't reveal trade secrets and we make it clear it's our personal opinion.  So I'll be good so I don't get hauled in front of the legal department .... Except there's this one uber hot chick in legal who always wears fishnet stockings that I wouldn't mind hooking up with ...  Oops.  *sigh*  Another visit from HR is in my future.


Well don't stop. If you're already going to HR, we might as well get more details.
 
2013-06-14 03:19:19 AM

degenerate-afro: Begoggle: Someothermonkey: [www.goodgame.hr image 542x416]

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!

As mentioned in the last thread Military personnel?

Also Launch does not include Japan, which is a major problem.  Here are the launch countries:
• Australia
• Austria
• Belgium
• Brazil
• Canada
• Denmark
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Ireland
• Italy
• Mexico
• Netherlands
• New Zealand
• Norway
• Russia
• Spain
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• United Kingdom
• United States

Spain but no Portugal?
Brazil, but not Venezuela or Peru?
No Jamaica?
No Chile?

Heck, they managed to do Austria, Germany, and Russia, but not Poland.  I'm not even talking about places like South Sudan or Laos.  When your launch doesn't take into account South Korea and Japan, you are not thinking properly.  Those are places that are notoriously hard to "come from behind" at.  Especially when your presence in that region is already tenuous.


As I just posted, I'm pretty sure that's a violation of EU law and has already been tested by a major corporation (and they failed). What's surprising to me is MS thinks Luxemburg (one of the wealthiest per-capita nations on the planet) isn't worthy to be XBoned.
 
2013-06-14 03:21:18 AM

degenerate-afro: When your launch doesn't take into account South Korea and Japan, you are not thinking properly. Those are places that are notoriously hard to "come from behind" at.


For you, maybe.

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2013-06-14 03:21:35 AM
I don't understand how Microsoft has gone full retard in the past few years? First, the Windows 8 Metro is such a debacle on PCs that 8.1 has to finally give back an option that could be a friggen check-mark in the install process, and then the Xbone (heh, I like that)  is making the Apple ecosphere look attractive by comparison!
 
2013-06-14 03:22:00 AM

digistil: As I just posted, I'm pretty sure that's a violation of EU law and has already been tested by a major corporation (and they failed).


The fines are so low that Microsoft can pay them with the change they find in their couch.
 
2013-06-14 03:26:42 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!

You'd be surprised about the amount of people that would care.  This is actually more annoying to me than the always on requirement. There were always XBoxes or PS3s in Iraq & Afghanistan with the troops.  I'm military right now working overseas in a country that's not covered. From here I'm going to another country that's not covered and I plan on moving to foriegn service once I get out, where shockingly there's a likely chance I won't be in the coverage again.  No XBox for me.  So the majority people who work in embassies and alot of the military overseas won't be able to use one because the country they work in isn't covered.


I didn't say "NOBODY cares", did I?
I said 99.99% of people don't care, and it's the last thing of their many problems to be concerned about.
But tell me more about the people in Antarctica who can't play their 1 Xbox that someone brought.
 
2013-06-14 03:31:11 AM

foo monkey: DeArmondVI: thankfully Microsoft builds quality products, and this is just to protect them from vulture trial lawyers that collect 80 plus percent from payouts from frivolous suits

No backwards compatibility.
No game sharing.
Always-on connection for single player games.
A camera that reads facial expressions, which is a required piece of hardware.


If someone gave one (cause I wouldn't buy) I would tape up either the RCA Indian Head or the classic Johnny Cash at San Quentin (PNSFW) photo at the Focal length for them to view
 
2013-06-14 03:31:24 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!

You'd be surprised about the amount of people that would care.  This is actually more annoying to me than the always on requirement. There were always XBoxes or PS3s in Iraq & Afghanistan with the troops.  I'm military right now working overseas in a country that's not covered. From here I'm going to another country that's not covered and I plan on moving to foriegn service once I get out, where shockingly there's a likely chance I won't be in the coverage again.  No XBox for me.  So the majority people who work in embassies and alot of the military overseas won't be able to use one because the country they work in isn't covered.

I didn't say "NOBODY cares", did I?
I said 99.99% of people don't care, and it's the last thing of their many problems to be concerned about.
But tell me more about the people in Antarctica who can't play their 1 Xbox that someone brought.


No your percentage is just bullshiat, and that's more or less what he said. Reading is hard.
 
2013-06-14 03:38:23 AM

Smackledorfer: Simcity sucking is hardly the damning of all PCs relative to consoles that you seem to think it is.


That was the point.  We don't decry the PC as a platform because SimCity was full of ass-tastic DRM.  Similarly, we shouldn't be counting points against the PS4 if EA saddles some of their PS4 games with ass-tastic DRM.
 
2013-06-14 03:43:35 AM
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2013-06-14 04:06:36 AM
In other XBone news, you can shut down everyone's XBone via multiplayer and party chat:

"If someone on Xbox Live party chat says "Xbox Off" will all of their Xboxes turn off?" I asked, and got an answer.

i.imgur.com


Source:  http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1gb0l5/if_someone_on_xbox_liv e _party_chat_says_xbox_off/
 
2013-06-14 05:15:37 AM
Well they will support half the current 42 XBox Live territories at launch. No word of how long before the others catch up. Possibly for localisation reasons, not supporting territories that traditionally do not sell well (Japan?) or that they haven't nailed down the appropriate cable/TV features with each territory (seems US-centric).

All XBox Live Territories

At Launch:
Supported          Not Supported

Australia              Argentina
Austria                Chile
Belgium               Colombia
Brazil                   Czech Republic
Canada               Greece
Denmark             Hong Kong
Finland                Hungary
France                 India
Germany              Israel
Ireland                 Japan
Italy                      Korea
Mexico                  Poland
Netherlands         Portugal
New Zealand        Saudi Arabia
Norway                 Singapore
Russia                  Slovakia
Spain                    South Africa
Sweden                Taiwan
Switzerland           Turkey
United Kingdom    United Arab Emirates
United States
 
2013-06-14 05:31:16 AM
 
2013-06-14 05:47:53 AM

the_sidewinder: /PlayStaion Network also has this in it's terms
//As does Steam


DING!

I'm all for handing the Xbox devs their ass over the new system, but let's be fair that this goes across the board for all companies.
 
2013-06-14 06:12:17 AM

meatofmystery: the_sidewinder: /PlayStaion Network also has this in it's terms
//As does Steam

DING!

I'm all for handing the Xbox devs their ass over the new system, but let's be fair that this goes across the board for all companies.


Why let reality get in the way of the daily MS rants.
 
2013-06-14 06:21:41 AM
Here's a special offer for all hot, young, female farkettes.  Buy a PS4 and I will personally sex you for an entire night.  As an employee of SCEA, I want to make your gaming experience the best ever.

Wait.  Where is everyone going?  ....
 
2013-06-14 06:30:22 AM
As brutal as MS's Xbone's campaign is going so far its as if no one remembers any of Sony's bullshiat throughout the PS3, including its own attempt to make people sign away the right to class action lawsuits (remember, it was right after the second time some script kiddies broke into Sony's best attempts at network security and stole everyone's account info).  The race between those two is this:
lovesujeiry.com

/You know there are other options...
//(It ain't a Nintendo)
 
2013-06-14 06:35:39 AM
Didn't Steam just lose a big case in the EU over their restrictive digital rules?

Doesn't the EU have some decent consumer protection laws? I'm pretty sure Canada does too. And they all address all the crap Microsoft is trying to pull here.

At what point do all the lawsuits waiting to happen everywhere outside of the US over the console start hurting the consoles profitability?
 
2013-06-14 06:37:38 AM
OgreMagi:

I'm a Unix system administrator for SCEA.

A sysadmin for SCEA?

You guys are doing a real bang up job, there. I'm glad you gave me a couple of free games for the whole identity theft thing. Keep 'er up.
 
2013-06-14 06:38:52 AM

ModernLuddite: OgreMagi:

I'm a Unix system administrator for SCEA.

A sysadmin for SCEA?

You guys are doing a real bang up job, there. I'm glad you gave me a couple of free games for the whole identity theft thing. Keep 'er up.


Different department entirely.  I had nothing to do with that and have never touched those servers.
 
2013-06-14 06:41:01 AM

OgreMagi: ModernLuddite: OgreMagi:

I'm a Unix system administrator for SCEA.

A sysadmin for SCEA?

You guys are doing a real bang up job, there. I'm glad you gave me a couple of free games for the whole identity theft thing. Keep 'er up.

Different department entirely.  I had nothing to do with that and have never touched those servers.


Doesn't matter, F'ing up that badly and consistently taints everyone who claims to do 'computers' across an entire company.
 
2013-06-14 06:43:48 AM

BumpInTheNight: OgreMagi: ModernLuddite: OgreMagi:

I'm a Unix system administrator for SCEA.

A sysadmin for SCEA?

You guys are doing a real bang up job, there. I'm glad you gave me a couple of free games for the whole identity theft thing. Keep 'er up.

Different department entirely.  I had nothing to do with that and have never touched those servers.

Doesn't matter, F'ing up that badly and consistently taints everyone who claims to do 'computers' across an entire company.


LIke hell.  I took a look at the incident.  Without revealing anything, all I can say is my reaction was, "you've got to be farking kidding me?"  My department is constantly being attacked.  And always unsuccessful.
 
2013-06-14 07:01:07 AM

the_sidewinder: This is neither new (it's been in their EULAs for a while) nor is it likely enforceable

/PlayStaion Network also has this in it's terms
//As does Steam


Does it have, "You can't play your own games in single-player mode unless you connect to the internet, and you can't turn off the spy-eye?"
 
2013-06-14 07:02:47 AM

BumpInTheNight: Doesn't matter, F'ing up that badly and consistently taints everyone who claims to do 'computers' across an entire company.


Perhaps in your eyes, but reality is quite the opposite.
 
2013-06-14 07:06:02 AM

digistil: BumpInTheNight: Doesn't matter, F'ing up that badly and consistently taints everyone who claims to do 'computers' across an entire company.

Perhaps in your eyes, but reality is quite the opposite.


Really?  Show me a reality where you'd still take a company's IT staff seriously if, twice, they had their entire online database compromised.  Once is one thing, after the mistakes you shuffle things around and get your better staff onto the weak project to shore it up.  Twice though?  Categorically you cannot trust them from the CIO/CTO down.
 
2013-06-14 07:06:27 AM

OgreMagi: LIke hell.  I took a look at the incident.  Without revealing anything, all I can say is my reaction was, "you've got to be farking kidding me?"  My department is constantly being attacked.  And always unsuccessful.


I heard they were running lots of shiat unpatched, which I'm guessing is the result of a few people in way over their head or being the incarnation of arrogance.
 
2013-06-14 07:08:08 AM

digistil: In other XBone news, you can shut down everyone's XBone via multiplayer and party chat:

"If someone on Xbox Live party chat says "Xbox Off" will all of their Xboxes turn off?" I asked, and got an answer.




Source:  http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1gb0l5/if_someone_on_xbox_liv e _party_chat_says_xbox_off/


LOL. That takes me back to the old days of AOL Chat on dialup : "Press Alt-F4 if you love NSync!"

*flood of people sign out of chat*

Muahahaha.
 
2013-06-14 07:20:34 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!

As mentioned in the last thread Military personnel?

Also Launch does not include Japan, which is a major problem.  Here are the launch countries:
• Australia
• Austria
• Belgium
• Brazil
• Canada
• Denmark
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• Ireland
• Italy
• Mexico
• Netherlands
• New Zealand
• Norway
• Russia
• Spain
• Sweden
• Switzerland
• United Kingdom
• United States

Spain but no Portugal?
Brazil, but not Venezuela or Peru?
No Jamaica?
No Chile?

Heck, they managed to do Austria, Germany, and Russia, but not Poland.  I'm not even talking about places like South Sudan or Laos.  When your launch doesn't take into account South Korea and Japan, you are not thinking properly.  Those are places that are notoriously hard to "come from behind" at.  Especially when your presence in that region is already tenuous.


It's not like everyone in the US can use this farce of a product.
Apparently some folks are very unaware of the obvious.
There are these strange things in between cities and towns.
Hills. Mountains. Woodlands. No cell service, no broadband access.
I have broadband access where I live now, but I am looking at homes to buy where I may not have access.
Even if I have an internet connection, there is no way I will buy the Xbox.
Microsoft wants to control how you use a product that you purchased.
You bought it, but it's not yours.  All they had to do was make a good gaming console.
This is just a black box that the corporation is using to push their agenda on you.
Act like you have a pair, and fight for your rights as a consumer.
 
2013-06-14 07:22:51 AM

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Don Mattrick says deal with it

The region thing is probably the last thing 99.99% of people care about.
I can't play my Xbox in Uganda?  OUTRAGE!!!

You'd be surprised. I'm not liable to take a console on say, a business trip, but I would like to watch netflix or hbogo when I travel. Went to Toronto for a week back in April and neither would work for me there. I was not a happy camper. It's gotten to the point where I keep some copies of shows I want to watch on a USB drive just so I have something to watch if I travel abroad.

Once again, you might be right about consoles but I loathe region restrictions of any kind.


Let me introduce you to hola.org.
 
2013-06-14 07:22:55 AM

BumpInTheNight: digistil: BumpInTheNight: Doesn't matter, F'ing up that badly and consistently taints everyone who claims to do 'computers' across an entire company.

Perhaps in your eyes, but reality is quite the opposite.

Really?  Show me a reality where you'd still take a company's IT staff seriously if, twice, they had their entire online database compromised.  Once is one thing, after the mistakes you shuffle things around and get your better staff onto the weak project to shore it up.  Twice though?  Categorically you cannot trust them from the CIO/CTO down.


Really. A corporation the size of Sony has so many cogs, I think it's foolish to paint with such a broad brush. Simply because someone that works at Sony works in IT, doesn't label them as responsible for the gross incompetence of a few.

Also, I wouldn't categorize (what I believe you're referring to) as a second hack. It was a (very short lived) exploit that allowed someone to do the initial password reset (required after the first hack) of someone else's PSN account if they knew the email address and DoB of said account. I'm not discounting it's severity, but it was in now way like the prior hack.

The reality is these sorts of issues tend to result in the corporation's given incompetence becoming a strength, due to it being elevated to a very high priority for the longer term.
 
2013-06-14 07:24:10 AM

Someothermonkey: imageshack.us


Wait, is that saying that the only place a PS4 will not work is near the South Africa-Lesotho border?
 
2013-06-14 07:24:43 AM

digistil: OgreMagi: LIke hell.  I took a look at the incident.  Without revealing anything, all I can say is my reaction was, "you've got to be farking kidding me?"  My department is constantly being attacked.  And always unsuccessful.

I heard they were running lots of shiat unpatched, which I'm guessing is the result of a few people in way over their head or being the incarnation of arrogance.


Well if it's like my company, it's because to get an outage/patch authorized, there's about 40 different people who have a say in whether it will happen and inevitably someone will veto because their service is so important that a 10mins shutdown on 6am Sunday would end the world.  Eventually, the bureaucratic morass just makes you say fark it. Let it all burn.
 
2013-06-14 07:25:10 AM
I am so disappointed in the "console wars".

If this were like high school: Nintendo would be like that likeable but unintelligible experimental drug user, Sony is the shifty kid who might deliver but will also rob you blind, and Microsoft is the gross kid who is trying to impress you with the monstrously long stringy booger it found up its nose.

Of the three I like Nintendo the best, if only it could stop staring at amazement at its hands and do something functional...

These are my options?! Screw this, if anyone needs me I'll be playing outside.
 
2013-06-14 07:30:29 AM
digistil
Really. A corporation the size of Sony has so many cogs, I think it's foolish to paint with such a broad brush. Simply because someone that works at Sony works in IT, doesn't label them as responsible for the gross incompetence of a few.

You do realize the whole point of a corporation is to remove individual responsibility and assign that responsibility to the collective unit as a whole, yes?

That's the way this works. The owners can't be held personally responsible but the company's reputation is fair game.
 
2013-06-14 07:32:24 AM

digistil: Really. A corporation the size of Sony has so many cogs, I think it's foolish to paint with such a broad brush. Simply because someone that works at Sony works in IT, doesn't label them as responsible for the gross incompetence of a few.

Also, I wouldn't categorize (what I believe you're referring to) as a second hack. It was a (very short lived) exploit that allowed someone to do the initial password reset (required after the first hack) of someone else's PSN account if they knew the email address and DoB of said account. I'm not discounting it's severity, but it was in now way like the prior hack.

The reality is these sorts of issues tend to result in the corporation's given incompetence becoming a strength, due to it being elevated to a very high priority for the longer term.


Nah I'm referencing various entities operating under the name 'Sony' that got hacked in quick succession back in 2011, Sony on a whole looks woefully incompetent when it comes to IT.  Sorry Sony spokesman but the horses are already gone, no need to try and claim the barn doors are closed.  It doesn't matter.  If you don't remember all these events let me google that for you http://www.pcworld.com/article/229351/sony_hacked_again_how_not_to_do _ network_security.html

(I was just referencing PSN & the sony pictures, didn't even realize there were more, *LOL*, Sony's ITS is shiat)
 
2013-06-14 07:38:08 AM

StopLurkListen: "Always on camera" + minors + game console in bedroom = SUPERBIGBADCLASSACTIONLAWSUIT COMING MICROSOFT'S WAY.  Ain't no EULA gonna sterilize Microsoft from that one.


upload.wikimedia.org
*eagerly awaits his XBox One to arrive*
 
2013-06-14 07:40:35 AM

Begoggle: I said 99.99% of people don't care, and it's the last thing of their many problems to be concerned about.


That's complete bullshiat. The "supported countries" don't make up 99.99% of the population. China is a huge emerging video game market, and the XBone will not work there at all (until Microsoft decides they're worthy). No Japan? No South Korea? Those are gaming MECCAS (and you can't play in Mecca either, Saudi Arabia is not on the list. Those rich princes won't be able to play). Half of Europe is not included at launch. How do you explain that? Why can a German or Austrian play, but not somebody from Liechtenstein, which is directly in between them? Spain, but not Portugal?

For something like 20% of the people (very rough ballpark estimate, based on number of gamers in China primarily), This is the FIRST thing on their minds which will prevent them from buying the system.

So, even if we don't talk about military personnel, there are far more than 0.01% of worldwide gamers for which this will be their primary concern. Your number is complete bullshiat.
 
2013-06-14 07:48:47 AM

redmid17: OgreMagi: firefly212:
PS4= DRM by EA instead of MS, like that's an improvement

True, but customer pressure can make a difference.  Maybe not with EA since they are total assholes, but other game companies will see the backlash and have second thoughts about DRM.

PS4= subscription only for online gaming, like XBL

Again, that will depend upon the game company.  Some games will be worth a subscription, especially if they are constantly adding new content with that subscription.  Games that add nothing from month to month will die.

And since I've made it known I wvork for SCEA, I have to say this:

My statements are my personal opinion and do not reflect company policy, blah, blah, blah.

Note.  SCEA is very good about employees making comments online.  We can say anything we want so long as we don't reveal trade secrets and we make it clear it's our personal opinion.  So I'll be good so I don't get hauled in front of the legal department .... Except there's this one uber hot chick in legal who always wears fishnet stockings that I wouldn't mind hooking up with ...  Oops.  *sigh*  Another visit from HR is in my future.

Well don't stop. If you're already going to HR, we might as well get more details.


pics would be helpful as well.
 
2013-06-14 07:51:00 AM

Shedim: It's apparently called "XBox recently divorced" in Japan due to a naming/linguistic quirk.


Considering how many gamers are leaving MS for Sony, it's eerily appropriate.
 
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