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2013-06-14 12:13:18 AM  
Uh, er, I'm not sure that alcohol is the main source of calories in beer.

In good beer, anyway.
 
2013-06-14 12:38:39 AM  
you'll never get a rum belly
 
2013-06-14 12:43:47 AM  
"You are drinking it in more quantities than wine or liquor, so you tend to have more caloric intake"

So they are not a myth then.  Good article.
 
2013-06-14 12:58:20 AM  

SpikeStrip: you'll never get a rum belly


I have a pretty hefty vodka belly.
 
2013-06-14 01:02:57 AM  
depending on how your beer is brewed - largely how hot your mash is - you may have a lot of complex sugars in beer which are not converted to alcohol by the yeast.

And really, unhopped beer tastes too sweet. the hops add bittering to give it a more evenly balanced flavor. or a bitter flavor.
 
2013-06-14 01:12:04 AM  

fusillade762: SpikeStrip: you'll never get a rum belly

I have a pretty hefty vodka belly.


i get too nauseous to eat, so you have a stronger stomach than i
 
2013-06-14 01:59:41 AM  
Myth? Myth??
 
2013-06-14 03:44:15 AM  
UC Davis huh? So alcohol doesn't cause my tummy, OK so there is more to my beer than alcohol. But you would know that wouldn't you, UC Davis?
 
2013-06-14 04:11:49 AM  

SpikeStrip: i get too nauseous to eat,


What kind of rum drinker are you?

Them Puerto Ricans bang down a fifth and then drive to the store to get more.

Rum is scary.
 
2013-06-14 06:56:24 AM  

jimmyego: "You are drinking it in more quantities than wine or liquor, so you tend to have more caloric intake"

So they are not a myth then.  Good article.


Came here to point that out, really misleading study. You need more beer to get drunk than you would need liquor, so it makes you fatter than other types of alcohol.
 
2013-06-14 06:56:52 AM  
Could be the stuff that goes along with beer. The dozen wings, large fries, bag of Doritos or potato chips. Or the fact that middle age men can't have a 5000 calorie a day intake, like a physically active 18 year old. (X-Box does not count for physically active)
 
2013-06-14 06:58:08 AM  
"beer somehow uniquely targets the gut"

Hang on--there are people stupid enough to think that in the first place? Please tell me there's at least heavy overlap between such a group and truthers.
 
2013-06-14 07:01:15 AM  

Asa Phelps: Uh, er, I'm not sure that alcohol is the main source of calories in beer.

In good beer, anyway.


It is. Ethanol has 190 calories per ounce. If you take a beer, like Anchor Steam, that is around 5% ABV with 150 calories, that means 0.6 ounces of that beer is ethanol. That translates to 114 calories. But let's try something maltier, because I'm assuming you're suggesting the grain and malt in the beer carries the bulk of the calories. Left Hand's Milk Stout is a good example because they add milk sugars for this sweet stout. It weighs in at 180 calories and 6% ABV. That translates to .72 ounces ethanol, or 137 calories. It's still the lion's share of the calories.
 
2013-06-14 07:01:34 AM  
wow article is full of obvious
 
2013-06-14 07:02:54 AM  
People often underestimate the calories they consume in liquid form (soda is another example other than beer) and those calories tend to be less filling than food.  A 6 pack of beer could be 1000 calories or more depending on what you're drinking.
 
2013-06-14 07:04:36 AM  

CowardlyLion: Hang on--there are people stupid enough to think that in the first place? Please tell me there's at least heavy overlap between such a group and truthers.


My sister-in-law believes that (not sure about the truther stuff, though.) She's always talking about how she "lost weight" but "not from where she wants to."  We tried to explain you can't lose weight from specific areas of the body but she insists she is somehow genetically predisposed to carrying extra weight in her face and stomach.
 
2013-06-14 07:09:08 AM  
"You are drinking it in more quantities than wine or liquor, so you tend to have more caloric intake," says Sohani. "You are talking about a difference between several hundred calories a night and a couple hundred." Follow the logic here

...

Several is more than a couple?

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-14 07:09:36 AM  
well my "myth" is reaching epic status....
 
2013-06-14 07:10:06 AM  

TheJoe03: jimmyego: "You are drinking it in more quantities than wine or liquor, so you tend to have more caloric intake"

So they are not a myth then.  Good article.

Came here to point that out, really misleading study. You need more beer to get drunk than you would need liquor, so it makes you fatter than other types of alcohol.


The article is pointing out the myth is that it goes to the belly as opposed to just increasing your belly only. Now I had never heard of that myth, and maybe they made it up or are just being overly literal with the common name, but that is a different complaint about the article (if it is the case, I mean maybe I just haven't heard of the myth and lots of other people have).
 
2013-06-14 07:10:29 AM  

gameshowhost: Myth? Myth??


Yes?
 
2013-06-14 07:12:07 AM  

Rindred: gameshowhost: Myth? Myth??

Yes?


movieactors.com

(Ugh - Fark ate my pic linky)
 
2013-06-14 07:17:50 AM  

WinoRhino: CowardlyLion: Hang on--there are people stupid enough to think that in the first place? Please tell me there's at least heavy overlap between such a group and truthers.

My sister-in-law believes that (not sure about the truther stuff, though.) She's always talking about how she "lost weight" but "not from where she wants to."  We tried to explain you can't lose weight from specific areas of the body but she insists she is somehow genetically predisposed to carrying extra weight in her face and stomach.


Well, she is.  Which is why she'll lose weight there last.
 
2013-06-14 07:20:06 AM  
So I need to update my shirt?


^ The Man
() The Myth
v The Legend
 
2013-06-14 07:31:06 AM  
Follow the logic here and if the average lush consumed wine in greater quantities than beer, the colloquialism would be "wine belly" (though hello alliterative fizzle).

Bacchus belly?
 
2013-06-14 07:31:52 AM  

Pribar: well my "myth" is reaching epic status....


My beer holder's getting bigger every day.
 
2013-06-14 07:33:15 AM  
 
2013-06-14 07:38:05 AM  

sendtodave: WinoRhino: CowardlyLion: Hang on--there are people stupid enough to think that in the first place? Please tell me there's at least heavy overlap between such a group and truthers.

My sister-in-law believes that (not sure about the truther stuff, though.) She's always talking about how she "lost weight" but "not from where she wants to."  We tried to explain you can't lose weight from specific areas of the body but she insists she is somehow genetically predisposed to carrying extra weight in her face and stomach.

Well, she is.  Which is why she'll lose weight there last.


That's strange, it's usually us guys that keep the gut till last. I've got muscles in my legs I never knew I had, just showed up after two months of cycling, but I'm still carrying around 5~10 lbs extra at the belt line, (it's a weird effect in the mirror).  I thought women kept the butt till last.
 
2013-06-14 07:38:54 AM  

Last of the Crazy People: sendtodave: WinoRhino: CowardlyLion: Hang on--there are people stupid enough to think that in the first place? Please tell me there's at least heavy overlap between such a group and truthers.

My sister-in-law believes that (not sure about the truther stuff, though.) She's always talking about how she "lost weight" but "not from where she wants to."  We tried to explain you can't lose weight from specific areas of the body but she insists she is somehow genetically predisposed to carrying extra weight in her face and stomach.

Well, she is.  Which is why she'll lose weight there last.

That's strange, it's usually us guys that keep the gut till last. I've got muscles in my legs I never knew I had, just showed up after two months of cycling, but I'm still carrying around 5~10 lbs extra at the belt line, (it's a weird effect in the mirror).  I thought women kept the butt till last.


And usually the face is the first to change.

Huh.
 
2013-06-14 07:38:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Follow the logic here and if the average lush consumed wine in greater quantities than beer, the colloquialism would be "wine belly" (though hello alliterative fizzle).

Bacchus belly?


Wine wedge?

Grape gut?
 
2013-06-14 07:39:42 AM  
WOO HOO! I CAN DRINK MORE BEER!

/dnrtfa
 
2013-06-14 07:39:56 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-14 07:42:09 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Follow the logic here and if the average lush consumed wine in greater quantities than beer, the colloquialism would be "wine belly" (though hello alliterative fizzle).

Bacchus belly?


I like it!

/There is nothing mythical about my belly.
 
2013-06-14 07:45:12 AM  

xria: HotWingConspiracy: Follow the logic here and if the average lush consumed wine in greater quantities than beer, the colloquialism would be "wine belly" (though hello alliterative fizzle).

Bacchus belly?

Wine wedge?

Grape gut?


Port pack?
 
2013-06-14 07:47:01 AM  

xria: HotWingConspiracy: Follow the logic here and if the average lush consumed wine in greater quantities than beer, the colloquialism would be "wine belly" (though hello alliterative fizzle).

Bacchus belly?

Wine wedge?

Grape gut?


Vino volume?
 
2013-06-14 07:53:08 AM  
Follow the logic here

funnycatwallpapers.com
 
2013-06-14 08:07:40 AM  

sendtodave: WinoRhino: CowardlyLion: Hang on--there are people stupid enough to think that in the first place? Please tell me there's at least heavy overlap between such a group and truthers.

My sister-in-law believes that (not sure about the truther stuff, though.) She's always talking about how she "lost weight" but "not from where she wants to."  We tried to explain you can't lose weight from specific areas of the body but she insists she is somehow genetically predisposed to carrying extra weight in her face and stomach.

Well, she is.  Which is why she'll lose weight there last.


What is needed is a fat relocation device, so instead of losing the fat altogether women could just move it to where it's acceptable, like on their breasts. Imagine being able to reduce your waist and increase your bust in the one process.
 
2013-06-14 08:11:19 AM  
I always thought the therm meant that if you drank a lot of beer, you'd get fat. TFA confirms that. Nice wordplay, Mr Scientist.
 
2013-06-14 08:12:31 AM  
Headline should read "University of California Davis food science professor has never heard of Liver Steatosis"
 
2013-06-14 08:19:06 AM  
It's the volume of fluid that makes the stomach rotund. I've known young guys that weren't fat (as in low body fat percentage) that had beer bellies just from the sheer volume of <insert cheap beer> they drank.

You have to have adequite storage if you're going to consume 48 beers on a Saturday afternoon.

/of course, they end up fat but my point stands
 
2013-06-14 08:25:27 AM  

mdeesnuts: my point stands


It kind of leans to one side. And wobbles.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-14 08:28:04 AM  
I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...
 
2013-06-14 08:31:16 AM  
People who tend to drink a lot of beer also tend to be sedentary and immobile.  The cycle of fatness feeds on itself until death.
 
2013-06-14 08:35:33 AM  
So people drink a lot of calories that make them fat, these calories take up a lot of volume in the belly area while being processed, and the liver damage sustained leads to excess carbohydrate and fluid retention in the abdomen. Ergo beer bellies are a myth. Got it.
 
2013-06-14 08:36:06 AM  

sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...


That is visceral or intraorgan fat.  It is the very dangerous kind, the one that gives you metabolic syndrome and heart attacks.  The rolly flabby, or subcutaneous, fat isn't very pleasant to look at but comparatively isn't all that dangerous.

You genes and hormones determine where, how, and how much fat is stored.  So yea, it is genetic, but you've rolled a bad number and your body stores it in the worst way possible.
 
2013-06-14 08:37:02 AM  
I quit drinking (mostly beer) and lost over fifty pounds.

Was awful being fat.  Ankles hurt, knees hurt, back ached, easily out of breath, nope, nothing to recommend being fat.
 
2013-06-14 08:39:27 AM  
No, it's a real phenomenon.  When I drink beer, I eat a lot of cheese sticks and other fried crap.   It's an indirect link, but beer will make me fat.
 
2013-06-14 08:41:10 AM  

Last of the Crazy People: I thought women kept the butt till last.


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2013-06-14 08:41:56 AM  

Pick: Could be the stuff that goes along with beer. The dozen wings, large fries, bag of Doritos or potato chips. Or the fact that middle age men can't have a 5000 calorie a day intake, like a physically active 18 year old. (X-Box does not count for physically active)


But I play Forza with the kinect feature!
 
2013-06-14 08:53:33 AM  

Beta Tested: Headline should read "University of California Davis food science professor has never heard of Liver Steatosis"


Came here to say this.
the large gut from alcohol abusers is not fat, it's overworked, diseased liver.

/Dr. Dumbass, PHDuh
 
2013-06-14 08:56:44 AM  

sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...


Are you pregnant?
 
2013-06-14 08:58:06 AM  
Also, cirrhosis makes even larger bellies

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-14 08:59:07 AM  

Vertdang: Also, cirrhosis makes even larger bellies

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He looks happy, maybe I should give alcoholism a try?
 
2013-06-14 09:01:00 AM  

Beta Tested: sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...

That is visceral or intraorgan fat.  It is the very dangerous kind, the one that gives you metabolic syndrome and heart attacks.  The rolly flabby, or subcutaneous, fat isn't very pleasant to look at but comparatively isn't all that dangerous.

You genes and hormones determine where, how, and how much fat is stored.  So yea, it is genetic, but you've rolled a bad number and your body stores it in the worst way possible.


Also love good news on a Friday...guess I need to get my butt to the gym

God Is My Co-Pirate: sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...

Are you pregnant?


Haha, that could explain it!  I've been living a lie for 30 years...it's not THAT hard, there's some flab but doesn't jiggle like a normal fat belly, if that makes any sense.
 
2013-06-14 09:08:09 AM  

sboyle1020: Also love good news on a Friday...guess I need to get my butt to the gym


Well, the good news is that visceral fat is usually the first to go when you start eating properly and exercising, which is why overweight but active people are still pretty healthy. While they keep the subcutaneous fat they don't have all that much visceral fat.

The bad news is that you pretty much have to give up alcohol and sugar (fructose specifically), and basically think of them as the same thing.  For example, a decent rule of thumb is to keep sugar/alcohol intake to 2 beers OR sodas a week.
 
2013-06-14 09:09:09 AM  
I'm still rather skeptical on the idea that "calories are calories" when it comes to fat gain, just as I am very skeptical on the idea that "alcohol is alcohol" when it comes to getting drunk.
 
2013-06-14 09:13:15 AM  
I drink a lot of beer and I don't have a beer gut (5'11" and 195 lb.). I also run a lot of miles. I'm almost 50 and this is me finishing my first marathon about 2 months ago. Calories in - Calories out.
 
2013-06-14 09:13:20 AM  

sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...


I'm kind of in the same boat. Skinnyfat.

I look like those starving kids with the distended bellies.

Though I wouldn't describe my pouch as "hard", it has a pillow-like quality that my cat enjoys.
 
2013-06-14 09:14:49 AM  

A Leaf in Fall: I'm still rather skeptical on the idea that "calories are calories" when it comes to fat gain, just as I am very skeptical on the idea that "alcohol is alcohol" when it comes to getting drunk.


You are right about the first part.  A Calorie is not a Calorie when it comes to metabolic syndrome and weight gain.  You can watch a good, concise, scientifically supported explanation of the obesity epidemic on Youtube from UC
 
2013-06-14 09:14:51 AM  
image dimensions are too small? That's a weird error.
 
2013-06-14 09:17:57 AM  

NoGods: image dimensions are too small? That's a weird error.


THATSWHATSHESAID!
 
2013-06-14 09:24:48 AM  
Yeah, used to be when I felt a bit heavy, I'd lay off the booze and the mid-morning muffins and I'd spring back into shape. Then I hit my mid-30s and had two kids, and I cannot get rid of that last inch or so around my waist.

Well, "cannot" without being miserable and cranky all the time because I can't have my wine and my brie.
 
2013-06-14 09:25:09 AM  

The Googles Do Nothing: NoGods: image dimensions are too small? That's a weird error.

THATSWHATSHESAID!


What? "That's a weird error"?  That's not funny.
 
2013-06-14 09:33:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...

I'm kind of in the same boat. Skinnyfat.

I look like those starving kids with the distended bellies.

Though I wouldn't describe my pouch as "hard", it has a pillow-like quality that my cat enjoys.


He's talking about the hard pregnant belly that looks and feels like a bowling ball under the shirt. Middle aged man's curse. Skinnyfat's more annoying and a lot harder to lose, short of lipo.
 
2013-06-14 09:35:12 AM  

violentsalvation: UC Davis huh? So alcohol doesn't cause my tummy, OK so there is more to my beer than alcohol. But you would know that wouldn't you, UC Davis?


I don't know if you're kidding or not, but UC Davis has one of the best brewing education programs in the nation.

http://extension.ucdavis.edu/unit/brewing/course/description/?type=A& u nit=BR&SectionID=164401&prglist=MBP">http://extension.ucdavis.edu/uni t/brewing/course/description/?type=A&u nit=BR&SectionID=164401&prglist=MBP
 
2013-06-14 11:30:35 AM  
This is "me" finishing my first marathon, guys!
 
2013-06-14 11:37:59 AM  
This seems like Government Grant jobs territory
 
2013-06-14 01:24:01 PM  
It's not the beer that makes you fat, it's the chicken wings, pork rinds, sandwiches and all the other junk you eat while you drink the beer that's the main problem. I've known plenty of skinny drunks.
 
2013-06-14 03:27:49 PM  

sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...


It's probably a giant tumor. Don't worry about it.

Seriously, I vaguely remember that it's fat around your organs if it's hard rather than fat outside the abdominal wall that jiggles. Or something like that. Either way it doesn't really matter. If you're fat, you should lose weight.
 
2013-06-14 03:57:55 PM  

TheJoe03: jimmyego: "You are drinking it in more quantities than wine or liquor, so you tend to have more caloric intake"

So they are not a myth then.  Good article.

Came here to point that out, really misleading study. You need more beer to get drunk than you would need liquor, so it makes you fatter than other types of alcohol.


Also it is by volume a lot more fluid, so your stomach/etc becomes distended.
 
2013-06-15 01:24:41 AM  

sboyle1020: I have a "beer gut", but it's hard it's not all flabby like you would typically see in an overweight person with rolls and what not.  Is that just my body type?  Anyone have the same?  And it only notice weight gain in the stomach and a little in that face, no place else...


You have under the muscle fat accumulation in your abdominal cavity.

/as do I.
//in my case, quite a bit
///
 
2013-06-15 02:36:55 AM  

Jument: Seriously, I vaguely remember that it's fat around your organs if it's hard rather than fat outside the abdominal wall that jiggles. Or something like that. Either way it doesn't really matter. If you're fat, you should lose weight.


It matters quite a lot actually.  Visceral fat is very, very dangerous (either it causes heart disease directly or is an excellent marker for heart disease).  Subcutaneous fat, without visceral, is relatively benign.
 
2013-06-15 02:58:47 AM  

Beta Tested: Jument: Seriously, I vaguely remember that it's fat around your organs if it's hard rather than fat outside the abdominal wall that jiggles. Or something like that. Either way it doesn't really matter. If you're fat, you should lose weight.

It matters quite a lot actually.  Visceral fat is very, very dangerous (either it causes heart disease directly or is an excellent marker for heart disease).  Subcutaneous fat, without visceral, is relatively benign.


Uh, what is the difference? Serious question.
 
2013-06-15 05:44:25 AM  

TheJoe03: Uh, what is the difference? Serious question.


All of the academic studies I found were behind pay walls unfortunately.  This science blog link has a decent breakdown with relevant sources.

"Visceral fat is composed of several adipose depots which may contribute insulin resistance, glucose intolerance, dyslipidemia, hypertension and coronary artery disease (NIH)."

It still isn't clear whether it is the fat itself that is the problem or if it is just a very highly correlated marker of the underlying organ diseases that actually kill you.  But either way, if you have it you have a much higher risk of cardiopulmonary disease than someone with equal amounts of subcutaneous (jiggly) fat.
 
2013-06-15 01:29:05 PM  
Never had a beer gut. I had a food gut. Decided I didn't want to be fat, anymore. Dropped 60 lbs in the last year.

A beer gut is more properly called a calorie gut.
 
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