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2013-06-13 09:30:46 PM
Looks like Egg Beaters.
 
2013-06-13 09:36:59 PM
Probably not as good protein as a real egg, too
 
2013-06-13 09:39:27 PM
This is good news for me! Bits of ground-up peas, sorghum and a few other ingredients is my favorite food!
 
2013-06-13 09:45:10 PM
"We're trying to take the animal totally out of the equation,"

Do this more.
 
2013-06-13 09:48:18 PM
Think of how big the market is for animal products.  Long-term, this is a no-brainer investment.  It's a long way out, but it's there and it's coming.  Unfortunately, where's a non-angel, non-VC investor to get in on the ground floor?  I want some of that sweet, sweet fake egg money.
 
2013-06-13 09:52:02 PM
High carb fake eggs.  Just what America needs.
 
2013-06-13 09:56:57 PM
How is this a substitute for anything?  If people want peas they will eat peas.  Nobody says "I want a steak" and eats tofu, and nobody will say I want a egg and will eat this crap.  If they are trying to feed a population and save energy costs then just eat the peas as they are without going through all this effort.
 
2013-06-13 09:58:24 PM
Am I the only one whose first thought was "Faberge eggs"?
 
2013-06-13 10:01:42 PM
Two words: fish farms. This needs to be figured out.
 
2013-06-13 10:01:58 PM

plcow: How is this a substitute for anything?  If people want peas they will eat peas.  Nobody says "I want a steak" and eats tofu, and nobody will say I want a egg and will eat this crap.  If they are trying to feed a population and save energy costs then just eat the peas as they are without going through all this effort.


I believe the idea is to substitute it as an egg ingredient in other food, like bread.  Think HFCS instead of sugar.
 
2013-06-13 10:02:01 PM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Am I the only one whose first thought was "Faberge eggs"?


Probably.  Yes.
 
2013-06-13 10:08:24 PM
Am I the only one who thinks Bill Gates should return to Microsoft? I know the guy doesn't solely own M$ or anything and is doing plenty of good on his own but god damn...Office 2013 makes me want to strangle someone. He may not be Steve Jobs but Ballmer is terrible.
 
2013-06-13 10:13:52 PM
I like eggs.
 
2013-06-13 10:14:33 PM
Can't we just get rid of some of those 9 billion people?
 
2013-06-13 10:16:21 PM

revrendjim: I like eggs.


I like beets.  From my head down to my feets.
 
2013-06-13 10:17:17 PM

Ooba Tooba: Can't we just get rid of some of those 9 billion people?


Yes, they would be the "few other ingredients" the article mentioned.
 
2013-06-13 10:19:22 PM
The incredible edible egg substitute powder
 
2013-06-13 10:25:42 PM

plcow: How is this a substitute for anything?  If people want peas they will eat peas.  Nobody says "I want a steak" and eats tofu, and nobody will say I want a egg and will eat this crap.  If they are trying to feed a population and save energy costs then just eat the peas as they are without going through all this effort.


It's a substitute for nothing,  We don't have the resources for the whole world to eat eggs like Americans do.  Same goes for any meat product.
 
2013-06-13 10:27:07 PM

bdub77: Am I the only one who thinks Bill Gates should return to Microsoft? I know the guy doesn't solely own M$ or anything and is doing plenty of good on his own but god damn...Office 2013 makes me want to strangle someone. He may not be Steve Jobs but Ballmer is terrible.


Agreed, Ballmer is terrible.
 
2013-06-13 10:43:50 PM
I bet it has a lesser nutritional profile than real eggs. Without trace elements. They probably focusing one element like protein and ignoring all the other trace vitamins.
 
2013-06-13 10:47:41 PM

Ooba Tooba: Can't we just get rid of some of those 9 billion people?


They're still doing texture and flavor refinements on Soylent Green.
 
2013-06-13 10:50:57 PM
I don't understand why more folks don't keep chickens. They are so stupid easy to raise, and the quality of the egg compared to store bought is unreal.

I have 9 of them, and the hardest part about raising chickens is figuring out how many of your ginormous eggs are really needed for a recipe.
 
2013-06-13 10:59:22 PM
"Raising meat takes a great deal of land and water and has a substantial environmental impact.  Put simply, there's no way to produce enough meat for 9 billion people," Gates concludes.

"Using his burgeoning intelligence, this most successful of all mammals
has exploited the environment to produce food for an ever increasing population.
Instead of controlling the environment for the benefit of the population,
perhaps it is time we control the population to allow the survival of the environment."
- David Attenborough
 
2013-06-13 11:03:37 PM

Lsherm: plcow: How is this a substitute for anything?  If people want peas they will eat peas.  Nobody says "I want a steak" and eats tofu, and nobody will say I want a egg and will eat this crap.  If they are trying to feed a population and save energy costs then just eat the peas as they are without going through all this effort.

I believe the idea is to substitute it as an egg ingredient in other food, like bread.  Think HFCS instead of sugar.


Bingo

Easily traded and stored as a commodity, being able to buy it in large quantities to save money, instead of highly perishable eggs... yeah, that's the golden ticket right there too.  Doesn't mean it's a good thing.  Might not be a bad thing either but I'm really not optimistic.

twistofsin: I don't understand why more folks don't keep chickens. They are so stupid easy to raise, and the quality of the egg compared to store bought is unreal.

I have 9 of them, and the hardest part about raising chickens is figuring out how many of your ginormous eggs are really needed for a recipe.


Don't have a fenced in yard or a garage, and I've helped a friend keep chickens in a similar situation before in a similar location across town (technically in the city, but with extensive nature preserves nearby)... well raccoons and possums are intelligent bastards.  However, the eggs (we had a duck too) were amazing.

Love to do it again in the future.  It was incredibly easy, except for the raccoon / bird of prey / possum (at least we had only one of those bastards, and we trapped it but did respect the fight it put up immensely) proofing.

Chicken poop kind of sucks to clean up too, though.

Anyway, I think the pluses definitely outweigh the minuses but it's still important to not brush away that it's still work, and you're still responsible for looking after living animals.
 
2013-06-13 11:09:21 PM

ajgeek: Two words: fish farms. This needs to be figured out.


I really worry about the unchecked zeal people currently have who are working on 'figuring out' fish farms.  That's the prevailing theory as to why we ended up with Asian Carp IIRC.  Fish farms away from the Mississippi + Flooding = Asian Carp now in the goddamn Mississippi working their way north.

I have a bunny so I hate to say it, but small mammals would be / are a good answer (see: South America and guinea pigs).  Mature quickly, breed like, well, dammit, rabbits, and you can feed them leftover crops to a certain extent and they're happy (my bunny is currently happy enjoying the basil and other herb stems we give her from the garden).  Plus I don't know about other small mammals, but bunny manure is amazing as a fertilizer so there's an added benefit to raising them as long as you plan out your operations intelligently.
 
2013-06-13 11:23:31 PM

shanrick: "We're trying to take the animal totally out of the equation,"

Do this more.


Yup.  We need more "sunlight => crops => human food", less "sunlight => crops => animal food => [absurd inefficiencies] => human food".

/yes yes, next person to comment, i know that's oversimplified
//it's just an outline
 
2013-06-13 11:24:47 PM
Not until Real Food™ is a luxury.
 
2013-06-13 11:41:19 PM

twistofsin: I don't understand why more folks don't keep chickens. They are so stupid easy to raise, and the quality of the egg compared to store bought is unreal.

I have 9 of them, and the hardest part about raising chickens is figuring out how many of your ginormous eggs are really needed for a recipe.


My city allows for urban chickens.  I lived next to 4 chickens for a couple years.  I do not want to live next to anyone with 4 chickens, ever again.

/yes it was way worse when they had a rooster, but even the 4 chickens were annoying as fark.
//yes, yes, i *did* laugh my ass off when a fox came into the neighborhood and tore them to shreds.
/*mutter* stupid neighbors got a taller fence and started over *mutter*
 
2013-06-13 11:53:24 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: ajgeek: Two words: fish farms. This needs to be figured out.

I really worry about the unchecked zeal people currently have who are working on 'figuring out' fish farms.  That's the prevailing theory as to why we ended up with Asian Carp IIRC.  Fish farms away from the Mississippi + Flooding = Asian Carp now in the goddamn Mississippi working their way north.

I have a bunny so I hate to say it, but small mammals would be / are a good answer (see: South America and guinea pigs).  Mature quickly, breed like, well, dammit, rabbits, and you can feed them leftover crops to a certain extent and they're happy (my bunny is currently happy enjoying the basil and other herb stems we give her from the garden).  Plus I don't know about other small mammals, but bunny manure is amazing as a fertilizer so there's an added benefit to raising them as long as you plan out your operations intelligently.


I ate guinea pig in Peru on vacation.  This is from wiki, but the presentation wasn't too far off:

img832.imageshack.us

I've noticed that other cultures don't bother trying to make their meat look like anything except the animal it was if the animal is small enough.  I suspect there could be a huge market for small mammal meat in the US if it was butchered into something that didn't look like a small mammal.

The meat tasted great, and it wasn't tough, but it was a little more "muscular" than I was used to.  I imagine if guinea pigs were bred for food Americans would figure out how to get the fat content up to an agreeable level.
 
2013-06-14 12:00:18 AM
I always thought it was the rooster that came first...
 
2013-06-14 12:07:32 AM
Lowering the manufacturing costs to zero is the next best thing to the rich investor.
 
2013-06-14 12:15:22 AM
Go f**k yourselves.
 
2013-06-14 12:20:26 AM

twistofsin: I don't understand why more folks don't keep chickens. They are so stupid easy to raise, and the quality of the egg compared to store bought is unreal.


In my case, it's 'cause the wife and I live with at least three farms nearby that do it for us. I know that we're a special case, though: not everyone lives near farms that sell their stuff to the public.

Johnsnownw: Go f**k yourselves.


You know nothing, Johnsnownw.
 
2013-06-14 12:36:14 AM
He should invest in Soylent instead:  http://campaign.soylent.me/soylent-free-your-body
 
2013-06-14 01:16:30 AM
"..don't require a chicken to come first"

Really?
Look, it's not that hard.

Take the chicken out to a nice dinner, maybe a movie (or live show if you can get tickets). After that take the chicken for a nice late-night stroll or maybe to check out the stars/local vista... maybe bring a decent bottle of wine or two.

Once you get the hang of it, the chickens will practically be ready to come before you even touch them.
 
2013-06-14 01:18:49 AM

Lsherm: StreetlightInTheGhetto: ajgeek: Two words: fish farms. This needs to be figured out.

I really worry about the unchecked zeal people currently have who are working on 'figuring out' fish farms.  That's the prevailing theory as to why we ended up with Asian Carp IIRC.  Fish farms away from the Mississippi + Flooding = Asian Carp now in the goddamn Mississippi working their way north.

I have a bunny so I hate to say it, but small mammals would be / are a good answer (see: South America and guinea pigs).  Mature quickly, breed like, well, dammit, rabbits, and you can feed them leftover crops to a certain extent and they're happy (my bunny is currently happy enjoying the basil and other herb stems we give her from the garden).  Plus I don't know about other small mammals, but bunny manure is amazing as a fertilizer so there's an added benefit to raising them as long as you plan out your operations intelligently.

I ate guinea pig in Peru on vacation.  This is from wiki, but the presentation wasn't too far off:

[img832.imageshack.us image 558x455]

I've noticed that other cultures don't bother trying to make their meat look like anything except the animal it was if the animal is small enough.  I suspect there could be a huge market for small mammal meat in the US if it was butchered into something that didn't look like a small mammal.

The meat tasted great, and it wasn't tough, but it was a little more "muscular" than I was used to.  I imagine if guinea pigs were bred for food Americans would figure out how to get the fat content up to an agreeable level.


You've never had Cornish Game Hen?  Been to a luau and had a whole pig?  Hell, been to El Pollo Loco?
 
2013-06-14 01:33:07 AM

Lsherm: plcow: How is this a substitute for anything?  If people want peas they will eat peas.  Nobody says "I want a steak" and eats tofu, and nobody will say I want a egg and will eat this crap.  If they are trying to feed a population and save energy costs then just eat the peas as they are without going through all this effort.

I believe the idea is to substitute it as an egg ingredient in other food, like bread.  Think HFCS instead of sugar.


This makes the most sense, i doubt most people would want to use this in an omlete, but eggs are an important part of so many foods... if they can be replaced with a nonperishable mixture of plant based fat, protein and lecithin, then thats a big deal.
 
2013-06-14 01:53:43 AM
Take the chicken out to a nice dinner, maybe a movie (or live show if you can get tickets). After that take the chicken for a nice late-night stroll or maybe to check out the stars/local vista... maybe bring a decent bottle of wine or two.

I read this in Gonzo's voice
 
2013-06-14 02:37:53 AM
Those 'scrambled eggs' they made out of those "beyond eggs" at the end looked disgusting. I'd rather raise my own chickens and harvest my eggs from them than eat that crap.
 
2013-06-14 02:55:18 AM

gameshowhost: shanrick: "We're trying to take the animal totally out of the equation,"

Do this more.

Yup.  We need more "sunlight => crops => human food", less "sunlight => crops => animal food => [absurd inefficiencies] => human food".

/yes yes, next person to comment, i know that's oversimplified
//it's just an outline


Butter and margarine are a good example.  Strange my wife and I both grew up on farms and neither of us ever had butter.  My Mom said when she grew up in the depression they had milk cows but never butter.  Her Dad sold the cream and ate lard on his toast.  Butter is expensive because cream is expensive because cows eat a lot.  When I was a kid TV commercials were full of margarine commercials of all varieties trying to pass off margarine as a "healthy" substitute for butter.  I never realized until later that this wasn't the reason margarine was developed.  It was developed as a cheap substitute for butter for people who couldn't afford butter and most people at that time baked their own stuff.  That is why my parents and my wife's parents always bought margarine.  It's 1/3 the price of butter or even less.  Nothing to do with health.  They just couldn't afford butter.

So in your example when you insert cow in between the grain and the product you insert a huge inefficiency and hence a price jump.  Butter works great to make cookies for instance but so does good old vegetable shortening or margarine.  Butter just tastes better and is (ever so slightly) better for you.  But butter is 3 to 4 times as expensive because of a basic fact in farming called "feed efficiency" which is the pounds of grain it takes to make one pound of meat (or in this case milk/butter/cheese).  Cows aren't very efficient.

In principal this works for every agricultural product.  Removing the inefficient animal from the equation should make it cheaper because it takes fewer resources to make the product.  Now this fake egg product might not be that great but if it costs half as much and you can still make cookies from it then it may catch on as eggs become more expensive.
 
2013-06-14 03:17:42 AM
Am I the only person who noticed the cynical name of the lab in TFA?  "Hampton Creek Foods."  WTF.  So natural, my ass.
 
2013-06-14 04:33:41 AM
If he would leave the solution to cook for a minute instead of constantly agitating it, maybe it could solidify into something workable.
 
2013-06-14 08:04:17 AM

Ooba Tooba: Can't we just get rid of some of those 9 billion people?


Sure. We'll start with you and your family.
 
2013-06-14 08:11:32 AM

brandent: In principal


www.mightycrusaders.net

This is a principal.
 
2013-06-14 08:27:35 AM
As an ingrediant substitute I already thought there were some substitutes for most products even eggs,  but I am for developing what ever might make sense.

However when people talk about not enough land to farm  they forget that South America is only using about 10% of the Rainforrest and have no intention of not cutting the rest of it down to make more farmland.
 
2013-06-14 08:39:10 AM
Oh, goody.  Yet another technological attempt to solve a non-problem, while studiously ignoring the real issue:  Too Many Humans.

\and, yes, I AM doing something about that.  I've had a vasectomy, and will produce no offspring.
 
2013-06-14 08:45:58 AM

CheekyMonkey: Oh, goody.  Yet another technological attempt to solve a non-problem, while studiously ignoring the real issue:  Too Many Humans.

\and, yes, I AM doing something about that.  I've had a vasectomy, and will produce no offspring.


How long did your guys hurt afterwards?
 
2013-06-14 09:13:00 AM
Actually most country's problems are rooted in the fact their birtrates are too low.
 
2013-06-14 10:05:29 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: brandent: In principal



This is a principal.


It was late. Give me a break. Welcome to fark yada yada.
 
2013-06-14 10:31:40 AM

bhcompy: Lsherm: StreetlightInTheGhetto: ajgeek: Two words: fish farms. This needs to be figured out.

I really worry about the unchecked zeal people currently have who are working on 'figuring out' fish farms.  That's the prevailing theory as to why we ended up with Asian Carp IIRC.  Fish farms away from the Mississippi + Flooding = Asian Carp now in the goddamn Mississippi working their way north.

I have a bunny so I hate to say it, but small mammals would be / are a good answer (see: South America and guinea pigs).  Mature quickly, breed like, well, dammit, rabbits, and you can feed them leftover crops to a certain extent and they're happy (my bunny is currently happy enjoying the basil and other herb stems we give her from the garden).  Plus I don't know about other small mammals, but bunny manure is amazing as a fertilizer so there's an added benefit to raising them as long as you plan out your operations intelligently.

I ate guinea pig in Peru on vacation.  This is from wiki, but the presentation wasn't too far off:

[img832.imageshack.us image 558x455]

I've noticed that other cultures don't bother trying to make their meat look like anything except the animal it was if the animal is small enough.  I suspect there could be a huge market for small mammal meat in the US if it was butchered into something that didn't look like a small mammal.

The meat tasted great, and it wasn't tough, but it was a little more "muscular" than I was used to.  I imagine if guinea pigs were bred for food Americans would figure out how to get the fat content up to an agreeable level.

You've never had Cornish Game Hen?  Been to a luau and had a whole pig?  Hell, been to El Pollo Loco?


I have, it just doesn't seem as prevalent in the US to me.  Or maybe it's because other cultures are doing up different animals than I'm used to seeing.

One thing is for sure - besides the pig, we don't usually leave the head on our small game.
 
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