Nefarious: While I hate the idea that the XBone needs to phone home daily. I seriously doubt it will do so on its own. What it will almost certainly do is check in on boot and as long as your system is setup to log in automatically you won't notice it until you or MS suffers a major outage.
GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES! You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!! Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.Choosing
Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.
Egoy3k: Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband. I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be. It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.
GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES! You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!! Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.
fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.I get that. What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you. Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!
meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console? They did. This is it.
ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.Worked for the original Wii.
Surool: Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.
fastfxr: Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.
YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.
Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.
frepnog: theBigBigEye: And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.you say that NOW... until you are visiting someone or demoing in a store and play something that really knocks your socks off, because MAN games are getting INCREDIBLE.give the new machines a couple years. I can not WAIT to see what they are going to come up with - it is going to make current gen stuff look like garbage.
frepnog: mooseyfate: Soooo... In other words, you're the gamer companies like Microsoft use to justify treating ALL gamers like thieves. Thanks.not really. I never pirated even ONE PS3 or Xbox 360 game. Never modded my consoles. Every game I had was a retail purchase, some were used, some were new. I bought quite a few things off of the Live Marketplace, including Doom, UMK3 and some bullshiat for my avatar. My point was that acting like piracy doesn't cost sales is foolish and naive and acting like publishers should not try their damndest to keep people from stealing their content is just outright stupid. I get why the market is going the way it is - and it is completely OUR fault, and that is just the way it is.Is it arrogant for MS to say "get over it"? Yep. But we are going to have to do just that./I "got over it" with steam. I can get over it with this.//just wait until the PS4 is actually available and let's see just how much like MS they become. PSN exclusives are going to get commonplace.
frepnog: Pitabred: frepnog: scubamage: frepnog: scubamage: i get what you are saying, and it rolls back to what i have said before - piracy (and the secondary market) have led directly to what we are seeing. The content provider needs to find someway to protect the content. On disc DRM doesn't work. Key codes don't work. Taking the physical media out of the picture, and giving you content that you can only access via an online connection works. Did everyone think that the content providers were just always going to sit back and keep letting things like moddable consoles and easily piratable games continue, especially with AAA game development reaching and sometimes surpassing big budget movies?"But piracy!" is the laziest excuse there is. This is about control and treating you as a wallet to be drained, and not a consumer. Look at Minecraft, look at people who make good games and realize that "piracy" is sharing, that it's advertising. Yes, encourage people to go legit, but a lot of pirates are packrats who are just collectors, or people who wouldn't buy it anyway, or any number of things that don't translate to direct new sales if you stop piracy, and it also reduces the reach of your media in the meantime.Read what someone who actually develops and succeeds at selling games has to say about it (I've paid him for his game)http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-worksI have read it. I agree with most of it. And what I said stands. I didn't say it was right, but if you were a content provider and there was a way to get your content out to the public and you could almost be guaranteed that every copy out there was actually purchased, would you not jump for joy?/figure before long the pirates will crack the encryption on Xbone and there will be modded consoles out there with 500 gig hard drives full of single player games with no need to call in. Pirates are just good like that.//say what you like, but the fact is what we are seeing is a direct result of console modding and torrents of newly released games. Content providers are sick to death of creating a game, having it sell just enough to force them out of business, while hundreds of thousands of illegitimate copies are out in the wild being played but not paid for. No, I don't believe that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale, but only a fool believes that no sales were lost. Case in point - myself. I wanted Doom 3 back when the orignial PC version launched. I "acquired" an ISO of the game, installed it, beat it, and moved on. Now, previous to that I had purchased my Id Software games, and had planned to buy Doom 3 - but it was easier to get the ISO at the moment. They absolutely lost that sale./sorry Id. I did buy the game years later used.//oh wait. that was just as bad, wasn't it?
frepnog: scubamage: Hey, remember when microsoft last had a "cloud based service," MSN Music?Remember when they decided to decommission their servers, and it revoked the DRM keys for every single purchase any customer had?Remember when none of the music clients could no longer play any of the music because there weren't any servers to phone home to?Oh, and microsoft didn't reimburse anyone. Imagine spending a grand on games only to find out 2 days later that they've decided to shut down the servers on their end. Your box can no longer "check in," it can't "phone home," and none of your games are playable. I have no reason to believe they won't do it, because they've done it before.Now think about your NES which is still playable.comparing a music service that was destined to fail in the face of iTunes is quite different than Xbox Live. They are a market leader in gaming. They had no damn chance in the music biz, like most every other service pretty much that isn't iTunes.
Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.
skullkrusher: I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though
Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:HurricanesBlizzardsHurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)Ice StormsTornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)EarthquakesFloodsTsunamisVolcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time WarnerSo, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.You know I have tried to type a reasonable and calm response to this post three times and had to delete what I had and start over each time. There really is no way to respectfully ex ...
Egoy3k: Clutch2013: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem. It shouldn't need to.1)Buy a bunch of games2)author them to one system3)Sign in to XBL on another system4)Install the games on that system5)disconnect second system from the internet6)free gamesThat's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.The "everyone is a potential thief" argument. Cute.By that logic the current requirement of having a disc in the console is the 'everyone is a potential thief' argument as well.
Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem. It shouldn't need to.1)Buy a bunch of games2)author them to one system3)Sign in to XBL on another system4)Install the games on that system5)disconnect second system from the internet6)free gamesThat's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.
Coboc: scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/Sharing, not selling. You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game. There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all. I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.
thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since
Coboc: So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?
Carth: Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?
DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]
regornam: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.htmlJesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.
solaufein: I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam. I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.
Coboc: I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons. I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.
fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall? Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do. My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.
poot_rootbeer: AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft. I'm beginning to understand why.So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?
HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.Yeah I honestly can't explain that.
scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.
skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console? They did. This is it.I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.can I ask why?Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean/love half-life and Portal//Valve is A-OK in my book
HotWingConspiracy: the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.
Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.
nburghmatt: i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.
sid244: eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?Everything looks better on Laserdisc!!!
Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.
Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One."Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway//seriously Konami you suck
Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.
Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I prefer my video games in punch card format.
Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?
MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?
Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.I always suspected you were a hipster.
Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.
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