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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2013-06-13 02:44:56 PM  
8 votes:
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2013-06-13 03:18:37 PM  
7 votes:
It's like Microsoft is purposely doing the complete opposite of everything they should be. Like they said "man, I want to f*ck our company into the ground this generation"


/current 360 user
//PS4 here I come
/Microsoft: take your surveillance device and shove it up your asses
2013-06-13 01:58:19 PM  
6 votes:
that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.
2013-06-13 01:51:45 PM  
6 votes:
On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.
2013-06-13 01:28:53 PM  
6 votes:
I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.
2013-06-13 03:21:34 PM  
5 votes:
Those digital "benefits" will be available at launch, but Mehdi hinted that the digital rights management transition might unlock some more interesting game access and distribution methods later on.

Let me stop you right there, Meh.  DRM is the opposite of unlocking.  By its very definition, it locks and restricts the use of digital content.  Digital content distributes just fine without DRM.
2013-06-13 02:19:39 PM  
5 votes:
And the cost of 'downloaded' games will now be 50% higher due to a new 'convenience fee'.
2013-06-13 04:29:09 PM  
4 votes:
Okay, let's get this started.

i.imgur.com
2013-06-13 06:53:02 PM  
3 votes:

Nefarious: While I hate the idea that the XBone needs to phone home daily.  I seriously doubt it will do so on its own.  What it will almost certainly do is check in on boot and as long as your system is setup to log in automatically you won't notice it until you or MS suffers a major outage.


But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

Seriously, people got pissed to high heaven and back when Diablo 3 and SimCity were plagued (and still are) with their server issues that locked people out of their games.  Now, picture that, but with an entire console.  BONUS: Microsoft's "Come at me, bro" attitude has no doubt already attracted the hackers, including Anonymous.  I know we like to think that people are fickle about matters like this, but they aren't that fickle.  November ought to be real fun once the server attacks start.  Yep, they're coming.  Hell, they're to be expected at this point, the way Microsoft has been Leeroy Jenkins'ing their way through this mess.

The Xbox One is an entire battalion of bad ideas, all concentrated and enriched with weapons-grade stupid.  Microsoft has to know this.  But instead of either trying to fix the problems or even mitigate them, they've chosen to go to maximum derp.  Mattrick's comments finally soured me completely on the idea of even considering their new system.  At this rate, it's going to take a RADICAL turnaround from the company in order to get me to even consider buying another product from them again.
2013-06-13 04:57:04 PM  
3 votes:

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.

Choosing

to, and being required to, are vastly, vastly, VASTLY different things.

Clueless retards that can't see that is what's wrong with this world.

/lemme guess, the NSA stuff also doesn't bother you because you have "nothing to hide"
2013-06-13 04:06:59 PM  
3 votes:
As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer
2013-06-13 04:00:37 PM  
3 votes:
Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

It isn't so hard to explain. There are a number of benefits and drawbacks associated with digital delivery. Some benefits are for the company, such as no actual physical product to deliver. Some drawbacks are for the company, such as users demanding to use their purchased products on more than one computer (though not at the same time). Some drawbacks are for the company, such as having a harder time explaining why a digital download is worth $60, even four years after a game's release. Some drawbacks are for the consumer, such as having no property rights to a purchase.

With Steam, Valve has balanced their enormous benefit of digital distribution by going out of their way to provide as many benefits to the customer as possible. Sales are common, with midweek madness dropping even relatively new games to 50% off and older titles are often available for a song. They've even worked hard on providing the advantages of physical ownership, allowing the game to be tied to one account, rather than one physical platform. Migrating your game to a new hard drive or new computer is as simple as installing Steam and logging in. Plus, if for some reason you bounce between multiple computers, everything works as expected. In short, Steam has repaid the trust consumers have given them in holding licenses rather than physical copies and done so in such a way as to gather many admirers. Many gamers now prefer Steam copies to physical copies or digital copies acquired through other such services.

Microsoft is using their perceived dominance to gain all the benefits of digital distribution, but granting few, if any, of those benefits to the consumer. While prices may eventually shift to reflect aging games, there are no hints of anything as wildly impressive as Valve's pricing. Further, Microsoft is continuing its tradition of erroring on the side of the consumer as an assumed thief and enforcing more draconian DRM.

Rather than work like Valve, whose stance is usually, "yes you can" or "we'll try". Their default stance is "our hardware, our rules, suck it".  This is what you are seeing.

tl;dr - gamers trust Valve. Microsoft? Not so much.
2013-06-13 03:51:17 PM  
3 votes:

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.
2013-06-13 03:49:10 PM  
3 votes:
MS has gone off the rails lately, for sure.  Big fan of Win7 and even of Win8phone.  Hate Win8Desktop.  Been lovehate with my 360 since the UI update that replaced the blades with the... ads.  PC gamer also.

I've stopped buying games on live and steam (except the el-cheapo $1 - $10 steam sales) after running headlong into the "no refunds" brick wall at both, which is a real pain when coupled with the "no trades" and "no reselling" walls.  Back to disks I went.  MS trying to do the same thing with disks is insane.  What they *should* be doing is all the things PSN and Steam do right, and then do things right that those two do wrong as well.

Like, you know, allowing users to trade *ownership* of their precious digital games without taking a fee, asking the publisher, or even *telling* the publisher.  Having all the games stored in the "cloud" should make this terribly easy to implement and the transfer would be instant.

But they're so busy listening to consumers and putting them first that they aren't going to do this.

And so, goodbye live account, hello ps4 preorder.
2013-06-13 03:26:10 PM  
3 votes:
Wow...

It's not looking good, and as a .NET developer that kind of sucks.  It's like the worst parts of Apple with none of the cool design.  First they screwed up WPF/Silverlight, then Windows 8 was/is a trainwreck, then they released the Surface (which I still haven't once seen anyone using... do they really exist?), and now this.

What's happened is that MS stopped promoting idea people and started letting Marketing run the company.  They have a nice solid business desktop advantage, but they are mistaken if they think they can hold onto it for long with all this shiat going on.  Mark my words, all those restrictions and crap will lose them a LOT of devs, and no software = fail.
2013-06-13 03:18:13 PM  
3 votes:
My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.
2013-06-13 02:36:34 PM  
3 votes:
Does it have electrolytes?
2013-06-13 02:26:59 PM  
3 votes:
The Wii, WiiU, Xbox360, Xbox One, PS3, and PS4 give users the ability to purchase and download games. The fact that only one of those systems is sending a hearty vaffanculo to physical media owners is an advantage how exactly?
2013-06-14 10:38:19 AM  
2 votes:
CSB:
During my last deployment, my 360 sh*t the bed. I bought a PS3 and never looked back. During that same deployment, I bought Dawn of War II. Couldn't play without being connected to Games for Windows. I emailed them from my office and explained my situation. Their response was "Thanks for contacting us. You're required to be online to play." We are deploying again next year, and I will be bringing my PS4 with me. Microsoft can suck it.
2013-06-14 04:34:19 AM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.

I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband.  I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.




Hey look.. Somebody whose Internet connection hasn't gone down once in ten years doesn't understand why people would have a problem with having to be always on.

Moron.
2013-06-13 05:40:12 PM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.



I don't have to be logged in to Steam 24/7/365 to play my games. I don't lose access to Steam if I'm not logged in/can't log in for 24 hours. Steam doesn't punish me for refusing to allow them to have a camera pointed at me 24/7/365, nor do they punish me if a tornado comes through and knocks out my power and internet. Once services are restored, I can log back in to Steam and go right back to playing, even if it's been a week.

Steam has brilliant sales almost constantly, so I almost never pay $60 for a game and I rarely pay full price for DLC.

See? Yes I can explain that. Very easily. XBox One will be a $500 paperweight come next tornado season, Steam will still be a useful service come next tornado season. There is no competition between the two.
2013-06-13 04:55:00 PM  
2 votes:

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


levelselect.co.uk
2013-06-13 04:39:51 PM  
2 votes:

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Gamers know that they will have access to their Steam games when they upgrade to their next computer. Gamers also know that Steam has an offline mode, meaning that their computer isn't bricked if their internet or Steam goes down. Gamers like the fact that Steam is an option and not mandatory. And they like fact that there are insane sales where you can get 75% to 90% off on some pretty great titles. Finally, gamers know that a PC is different from a console. Gamers have different expectations for a PC than a console.

The Xbox formula is NOT an exact copy of the Steam model. That's like saying the CBS show Elementary is an exact copy of BBC's Sherlock. It is a different, and quite frankly inferior model than Steam, and gamers know that. They have certain expectations for consoles and the Xbox is not meeting those expectations, nor is Microsoft making the case for gamers to change those expectations.

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between Steam and the Xbox model either doesn't know much about the differences or is being deliberately obtuse.
2013-06-13 04:39:14 PM  
2 votes:
A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.
2013-06-13 04:24:55 PM  
2 votes:
Just say 'NO' to Xbox One.

If you MUST be a dirty console peasant, buy a WiiU or a PS4.

i.imgur.com
2013-06-13 03:40:07 PM  
2 votes:

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.
2013-06-13 03:38:34 PM  
2 votes:

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.
2013-06-13 03:37:33 PM  
2 votes:

ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.

Worked for the original Wii.


Well, if that's who they're aiming for that's fine...it also means they just tapped out to the PS4.
2013-06-13 03:37:21 PM  
2 votes:

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!
2013-06-13 03:29:34 PM  
2 votes:

Surool: Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.

I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.


 Dude, did you miss the PS3 launch?
2013-06-13 03:28:12 PM  
2 votes:
s3-ak.buzzfeed.com

Rock wins.
2013-06-13 03:23:46 PM  
2 votes:
Well...looks like ill be buying a PS4...
2013-06-13 03:22:21 PM  
2 votes:
Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck
2013-06-13 03:21:46 PM  
2 votes:

fastfxr: Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.


My guess is that they've seen what Apple and Google have done with their stores.  Now they want a piece of that action.  Only problem?  Smart Phone/Tablet "apps" /= Console games.
2013-06-13 03:20:53 PM  
2 votes:

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Are the books and crosswords puzzles video game themed? I am having a hard time understanding what you're saying.
2013-06-13 03:19:47 PM  
2 votes:
I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon
2013-06-13 03:17:15 PM  
2 votes:
PC > *
2013-06-13 01:35:45 PM  
2 votes:

Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.


Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.
2013-06-14 04:20:23 PM  
1 vote:

frepnog: theBigBigEye: And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.

you say that NOW...  until you are visiting someone or demoing in a store and play something that really knocks your socks off, because MAN games are getting INCREDIBLE.

give the new machines a couple years.  I can not WAIT to see what they are going to come up with - it is going to make current gen stuff look like garbage.


Could you be less of a paid shill? Seriously you've been around here for days telling everyone that Sonys the same as Microsoft, and we're all going to just give in and buy the consoles and games no matter what and that we'll love it. Screw you buddy, you haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and you never will.
2013-06-14 03:00:49 PM  
1 vote:

frepnog: mooseyfate: Soooo... In other words, you're the gamer companies like Microsoft use to justify treating ALL gamers like thieves. Thanks.

not really.  I never pirated even ONE PS3 or Xbox 360 game.  Never modded my consoles.  Every game I had was a retail purchase, some were used, some were new.  I bought quite a few things off of the Live Marketplace, including Doom, UMK3 and some bullshiat for my avatar.  My point was that acting like piracy doesn't cost sales is foolish and naive and acting like publishers should not try their damndest to keep people from stealing their content is just outright stupid.  I get why the market is going the way it is - and it is completely OUR fault, and that is just the way it is.

Is it arrogant for MS to say "get over it"?  Yep.  But we are going to have to do just that.

/I "got over it" with steam.  I can get over it with this.

//just wait until the PS4 is actually available and let's see just how much like MS they become.  PSN exclusives are going to get commonplace.


Hey, I can "get over it", too. I'll just never buy an XB1. And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.

Sure, I'll be missing out on some great games in the future, but it's not worth contributing to this whole "get paid forever and control EVERYTHING" system that companies and publishers seem hell-bent on pushing.

Yeah, you're right that it's the fault of piracy. It's pretty sad that the encroachment of complete control is going to be the answer to this. I wonder if there would be a way to produce some kind of open-source console that would support both cloud and physical media content models...?
2013-06-14 02:14:36 PM  
1 vote:

frepnog: Pitabred: frepnog: scubamage: frepnog: scubamage: i get what you are saying, and it rolls back to what i have said before - piracy (and the secondary market) have led directly to what we are seeing.  The content provider needs to find someway to protect the content.  On disc DRM doesn't work.  Key codes don't work.  Taking the physical media out of the picture, and giving you content that you can only access via an online connection works.  Did everyone think that the content providers were just always going to sit back and keep letting things like moddable consoles and easily piratable games continue, especially with AAA game development reaching and sometimes surpassing big budget movies?

"But piracy!" is the laziest excuse there is. This is about control and treating you as a wallet to be drained, and not a consumer. Look at Minecraft, look at people who make good games and realize that "piracy" is sharing, that it's advertising. Yes, encourage people to go legit, but a lot of pirates are packrats who are just collectors, or people who wouldn't buy it anyway, or any number of things that don't translate to direct new sales if you stop piracy, and it also reduces the reach of your media in the meantime.

Read what someone who actually develops and succeeds at selling games has to say about it (I've paid him for his game)

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works

I have read it.  I agree with most of it.  And what I said stands.  I didn't say it was right, but if you were a content provider and there was a way to get your content out to the public and you could almost be guaranteed that every copy out there was actually purchased, would you not jump for joy?

/figure before long the pirates will crack the encryption on Xbone and there will be modded consoles out there with 500 gig hard drives full of single player games with no need to call in.  Pirates are just good like that.

//say what you like, but the fact is what we are seeing is a direct result of console modding and torrents of newly released games.  Content providers are sick to death of creating a game, having it sell just enough to force them out of business, while hundreds of thousands of illegitimate copies are out in the wild being played but not paid for.  No, I don't believe that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale, but only a fool believes that no sales were lost.  Case in point - myself.  I wanted Doom 3 back when the orignial PC version launched.  I "acquired" an ISO of the game, installed it, beat it, and moved on.  Now, previous to that I had purchased my Id Software games, and had planned to buy Doom 3 - but it was easier to get the ISO at the moment.  They absolutely lost that sale.

/sorry Id.  I did buy the game years later used.

//oh wait.  that was just as bad, wasn't it?


Soooo... In other words, you're the gamer companies like Microsoft use to justify treating ALL gamers like thieves. Thanks.

/I only pirate games I'm not sure will run on my computer
//once it's installed and I can see it runs well, I uninstall and buy it off Steam, Amazon, or GoG.
///the only exception to this is Starcraft II
//They'll get my money when they release the whole goddamn game
2013-06-14 12:11:09 PM  
1 vote:

frepnog: scubamage: Hey, remember when microsoft last had a "cloud based service," MSN Music?
Remember when they decided to decommission their servers, and it revoked the DRM keys for every single purchase any customer had?
Remember when none of the music clients could no longer play any of the music because there weren't any servers to phone home to?

Oh, and microsoft didn't reimburse anyone. Imagine spending a grand on games only to find out 2 days later that they've decided to shut down the servers on their end. Your box can no longer "check in," it can't "phone home," and none of your games are playable. I have no reason to believe they won't do it, because they've done it before.

Now think about your NES which is still playable.

comparing a music service that was destined to fail in the face of iTunes is quite different than Xbox Live.  They are a market leader in gaming.  They had no damn chance in the music biz, like most every other service pretty much that isn't iTunes.


And Sega was a market leader in 1994. Before them were Commodore, Amiga, and Atari. All were market leaders in gaming, and they all fell over time. But you know what? You can still play their games on those systems. Do you think Microsoft will care? Do you think they'll keep their servers running?

That's the real question - it doesn't matter if they're a leader now or not, because eventually they won't be. When that time rolls around in 5, 10 years, what happens to your content? Based on prior performance, they'll cut you off, say thanks for playing, and laugh as it goes up in a puff of smoke. It doesn't matter that MSN Music was a music provider, what's important is how they treated their customers. They decided to screw them over (instead of, say, offering DRM free copies of the music they'd purchased a license to).

Their upper level management hasn't changed (though they are doing a re-org now), so the mentality at the top hasn't changed. They are, as a company, perfectly happy to screw you.

You could say the same thing about steam, but all of my steam games are playable offline so as long as I maintain that gaming rig, my games remain playable.
2013-06-14 10:09:29 AM  
1 vote:
A guy at the office is thrilled by the Xbox One AND the Playstation 4. He's getting both. He's buying the Xbox One just because of the new Killer Instinct game. All the talk about always on internet reselling games activation blah blah... he just wants the new Killer Instinct game!  He doesn't even make that much money, he just really likes that game. Just goes to show, there is a market demo that doesn't care about trading games and internet privacy and will throw money at the TV for a thing they know they like. Go figure.

 Myself, I'm saving money for the Occulus RIFT and a complete  PC rebuild when Star Citizen comes out.
2013-06-13 09:13:15 PM  
1 vote:

Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.


Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.
2013-06-13 09:06:33 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though


i have found that having a console along when traveling keeps me out of trouble.
2013-06-13 08:57:56 PM  
1 vote:
www.goodgame.hr
2013-06-13 08:00:47 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?

Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.

You know I have tried to type a reasonable and calm response to this post three times and had to delete what I had and start over each time.  There really is no way to respectfully ex ...


Here's the deal: what I've been reading says "ping within last 24 hours."

What we've been through here in the last three weeks? That's farking laughable. Because guess what? We've had areas here that, yep, we've got generators (some of us do anyway), but some places... no internet service for a week or so. There will be no ping for several days and I do not trust Microsoft to handle that appropriately. See, that's what happens when two EF5 tornadoes and several smaller ones (some of which aren't even listed on the NWS site yet) come rolling through your city. You're telling me that I--we--should trust Microsoft. I'm telling you that I do not trust Microsoft--nor do I have (really, no one does) a single valid reason to do so. In fact, when I worked in television, I worked with them once. Being from the Seattle area, I've had friends who worked for them. I actually have more reason than most not to trust Microsoft. You go ahead and trust them if you like--it's your $500. I didn't earn it, it's not mine to spend and I have no right to tell you how to spend it.

Bottom line is that I do not like their proposed business model, I do not wish to give them my money for them to tell me how I am required to use hardware and software I have purchased, and this shiat does not fly with me. It's not about 'new hardware' or changes to the way consoles are, it's not even about 'always online,' because a PC is always online (though it's not required to ping back once a day or be cut off from any service whatsoever). It's about the implication that, once I purchase something, it still belongs to them and they can take possession of it--via electronic means--anytime they wish and 'brick' it if I don't want to play the way they think I should.

NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.
2013-06-13 07:37:08 PM  
1 vote:
Good news everyone!

pbs.twimg.com
2013-06-13 07:13:56 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.

The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.

By that logic the current requirement of having a disc in the console is the 'everyone is a potential thief' argument as well.


You're not right, but that won't stop you anytime soon.  Carry on.
2013-06-13 07:07:35 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.


The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.
2013-06-13 06:54:34 PM  
1 vote:

Coboc: scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.


Shill much?
2013-06-13 06:16:18 PM  
1 vote:

thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."


Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since


Did you stop reading at the word "fail" or something?
2013-06-13 05:39:56 PM  
1 vote:

Coboc: So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?


Yes.

Carth: Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?


Probably.
2013-06-13 05:33:17 PM  
1 vote:

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?
2013-06-13 05:14:03 PM  
1 vote:
Coboc:
So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

Yes.  I have a projector for my home theater, where my 360 and HTPC live.  Making the kinect mandatory means that game devs are going to assume it's there.  How long until games that otherwise would not need any kinect functionality suddenly "require" it (as in, have features that can only be performed via kinect)?

I'm not going to sit and shout at my screen to play games, and standing up or waving your arms in front of the projector presents an obvious hindrance to actual gameplay.

I have no concerns about the little eye spying on me.  When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug.
2013-06-13 04:58:56 PM  
1 vote:

regornam: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html

Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.


I'm pretty offended that you're assuming I'm a console peasant. I have a gaming PC, I don't need a console, and neither do I want one.

But the kind of restrictions Microsoft is trying to push on people who like video games doesn't stop existing just because I don't use consoles. It's a dangerous precedent that needs to be stopped now before it gets out of hand. If I ignore it today because it doesn't effect me, it'll be me having to deal with this bullshiat tomorrow.
2013-06-13 04:56:57 PM  
1 vote:

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


I have yet to see a single Microsoft shill present a single defense as to why the Xbone requires you to check in online every day. Why is it a requirement?

-To check up on what is installed? I don't need them to treat me like I'm a criminal that needs watching as to what I do with my own property.
-To upload/download records of what the Kinect saw or heard? No thank you.
-For online games? What if I don't play those? Then there's no reason for the internet connection.

You CANNOT defend that requirement. It is indefensible.
2013-06-13 04:52:15 PM  
1 vote:

solaufein: I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.


Then they'd better get on board with the Steam Pricing Scheme.

Full price now, 50% off in 6 months or so, 75% off shortly therafter. Amazeballs sales.

None of this high-priced never-go-on-any-significant-sale-ever BS that console games seem to have.

/couldn't care less about reselling on the used market if I could buy AAA bestsellers for 10 bucks just by waiting a while.
2013-06-13 04:51:53 PM  
1 vote:
I have owned a total of 5 Xboxes.  Two of the original model -- the first one died.  And three 360s -- the first one died, again, and the other two because I like to game while the GF watches Netflix.  I have never bought, or tried to play, a bootleg or pirated game in my life.  I do have a number of games installed on both machines, but have always paid for the DLC twice -- it's just easier that way.
In other words, I consider myself to be a pretty damn good customer for Microsoft.
So why are they trying to treat me like I'm a suspect?  Why do I have to prove to them every single damned day that I'm not cheating anybody?
It's pretty clear from the article that Microsoft is so blinded with arrogance that they don't even understand how much they are insulting their own customer base.
Needless to say, my next console will be a PS4.  Since the new Xbox won't play any of the games I already have anyway, there is absolutely nothing to lose by switching.  And, I'm hoping that enough people will come to the same decision to cause Microsoft to realize they made a very bad decision to treat their customers like felons.
To hell with them.
2013-06-13 04:42:43 PM  
1 vote:

Coboc: I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.


This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.
2013-06-13 04:40:46 PM  
1 vote:

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.
Microphone functions can be 'paused' but it is always listening--- ostensibly, for the command 'Xbox on', but considering the TOS I just posted, do you really believe that it 'pauses'?
2013-06-13 04:36:49 PM  
1 vote:
"An error occured cancelling automatic renewal "

(navigates to support, only option is "receive a phone call."  Clicks link)

404.

img.pandawhale.com
2013-06-13 04:33:01 PM  
1 vote:

poot_rootbeer: AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.

So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?


Another part of it is that Microsoft's business culture has become toxic.  The Windows and Office teams routinely exercise a disproportionate and often petty amount of influence against other parts of the company.  For example, you may recall that the Courier tablet was canceled at the last minute because the first version wouldn't support the full version of Office.  In addition, the way that performance reviews are done on a curve that ensures that a certain number of people will get poor reviews no matter how well they actually performed, which creates an incentive not to cooperate with your colleagues.

I might be a good candidate for a software engineering position at Microsoft, but I have no desire to work in that sort of environment.
2013-06-13 04:30:43 PM  
1 vote:
Here's the Terms of Service. Feel comfortable with that camera/microphone combination that can't be disconnected or shut off yet?

i.imgur.com
2013-06-13 04:21:31 PM  
1 vote:
what the fark is steam?
2013-06-13 04:20:26 PM  
1 vote:
So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.
2013-06-13 04:19:34 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.
2013-06-13 04:17:11 PM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


The PC Master Race doesn't have genders, we only have gamers
2013-06-13 04:10:37 PM  
1 vote:

skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book


Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.
2013-06-13 04:00:11 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.


Unlike the current physical model, where retailers go to jail for charging anything other than $59.99 for a game.
2013-06-13 03:58:34 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


I can see where Steam or other digital delivery systems would be a super pain in the ass if you had a spotty internet connection.  But steam still lets you buy a boxed game and associate it with your account and then manage through steam if you want.
2013-06-13 03:57:03 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


So the comparison is Steam-gamers directly to the XBox  not PC-gamers in general to the XBox?
2013-06-13 03:52:56 PM  
1 vote:
Looks like I'm finally going to have my first Playstation system. The -*only*- way I will buy a system under the new xbox model is if I only have to trade a "license" for the money in exchange for a "license" for the game. Similar to how the game retains no resale value to me, the money retains no spending value to them.
2013-06-13 03:52:08 PM  
1 vote:
This gentleman is currently loading the latest version of Final Fantasy onto his analog PS4:

www.arts.tas.gov.au
2013-06-13 03:44:29 PM  
1 vote:
Does this mean the PS4 will be a steam punk hand crank punch card gaming machine of awesome?!
2013-06-13 03:40:41 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.
2013-06-13 03:39:07 PM  
1 vote:
You have to appreciate the honesty when asked about people who want to play offline, the response was "we have a product like that, it is called the XBOX 360".

How this guy still has a job, I have no idea.
2013-06-13 03:37:09 PM  
1 vote:

nburghmatt: i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.



www.masters.me.uk

/yeah I had this one.
//and several others too.
///lawn, get off it, etc...
2013-06-13 03:36:21 PM  
1 vote:

sid244: eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?

Everything looks better on Laserdisc!!!


24.media.tumblr.com
2013-06-13 03:35:07 PM  
1 vote:

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


Something like this would likely happen.


/fark seriously needs to increase the size limits for .gifs
2013-06-13 03:30:00 PM  
1 vote:
Just look at how badly Redbox is doing with so much competition from digital distributors.

My son can play any game from his account that we have installed on the 360 to my account. Thank you Microsoft for making it so I can now have to purchase a separate license. Oh, but now I can lend it to him one time.

Thank you sir. May I have another digital benefit?
2013-06-13 03:27:37 PM  
1 vote:
PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.
2013-06-13 03:26:15 PM  
1 vote:

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.
2013-06-13 03:26:10 PM  
1 vote:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.


I think e-books are working just fine for my libary.  I rent myself up several e-books and audio books a month through them.
2013-06-13 03:25:50 PM  
1 vote:
HotWingConspiracy: ...physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.

While I don't disagree with you, I think we most likely differ on the time frame for that to occur.
2013-06-13 03:25:24 PM  
1 vote:

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


Hayters gonna Hayt.
2013-06-13 03:25:21 PM  
1 vote:

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.

Maybe the execs are looking to buy up absurdly cheap MS stocks when they bottom out.
2013-06-13 03:25:04 PM  
1 vote:

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.
2013-06-13 03:24:11 PM  
1 vote:

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?
2013-06-13 03:21:40 PM  
1 vote:

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Trying to "New Coke" a console would be the stupidest, most tone-deaf thing Microsoft could possibly...wait, yep. I bet you're right.
2013-06-13 03:19:50 PM  
1 vote:
It does the cloud too!  Always mention the cloud.
2013-06-13 03:19:22 PM  
1 vote:
I only use the finest, artisanal gaming systems.
2013-06-13 03:19:18 PM  
1 vote:
Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?
2013-06-13 03:19:07 PM  
1 vote:
I read this article earlier and I'm still laughing about it.
Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.
2013-06-13 03:17:46 PM  
1 vote:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I prefer my video games in punch card format.


That lacks the warmth and gentile hiss of cassette drive loaded gaming.
2013-06-13 03:17:01 PM  
1 vote:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?


That's for plants dummy.
2013-06-13 03:13:52 PM  
1 vote:
"I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

"we've seen the data, the world is full of morons and we're going to keep spoon-feeding them sh*t and getting paid for the privilege."
2013-06-13 02:50:43 PM  
1 vote:

MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?


It helps with load times.
2013-06-13 02:41:56 PM  
1 vote:
Yes, but is it made made by Germans? Because Germans always make good stuff.
2013-06-13 02:37:09 PM  
1 vote:
"As you go into a digital world, what's happening is publishers are choosing to have different business models and consumers are saying 'Hey, if I can't resell the title, provide me a different way to get value to get into your game.' And we think the market will be efficient in finding good models that work for consumers."

Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.
2013-06-13 02:27:12 PM  
1 vote:
"It's digital"

oi43.tinypic.com
2013-06-13 02:20:39 PM  
1 vote:

Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I always suspected you were a hipster.


I also only drink the Mexican Nuka Cola with the real cane sugar!
2013-06-13 02:13:13 PM  
1 vote:
But is it Hi Fi?
2013-06-13 02:10:06 PM  
1 vote:
Digital is a buzzword used by marketeers.

/Romero reporting
2013-06-13 01:39:26 PM  
1 vote:

Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.


Worked for the original Wii.
 
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