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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com) divider line 457
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2013-06-13 07:32:54 PM

Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.


i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.
 
2013-06-13 07:37:08 PM
Good news everyone!

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-06-13 07:42:32 PM

Dragonflew: "This all gets unlocked because of digital."

What a farking tool. What does he think "digital" means?


Oooooh, that's what it is.

He meant, "digital distribution".

Well probably, that's only one sentence of context, so I'm guessing here.

The xbone still sucks.
 
2013-06-13 07:46:26 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


you punks will give in anyways, you always do
stop feeding the market trolls and we might actually regain some ground on the consumer side
/but that'll never happen because consumers suck
 
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2013-06-13 07:57:55 PM
Just putting my $.02 in that I will officially not buy another xbox, and I presently own one of each.  PS4, how you doin?
 
2013-06-13 07:57:55 PM

Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

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What a load of suck.  And I'm not even a loyalist.  I think video games are awesome and fun, no matter what your preferred platform is*.

*excluding virtual boy, jaguar, sega cd, sega 32x, 3d0, and any other consoles compiled from ass
 
2013-06-13 08:00:47 PM

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?

Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.

You know I have tried to type a reasonable and calm response to this post three times and had to delete what I had and start over each time.  There really is no way to respectfully ex ...


Here's the deal: what I've been reading says "ping within last 24 hours."

What we've been through here in the last three weeks? That's farking laughable. Because guess what? We've had areas here that, yep, we've got generators (some of us do anyway), but some places... no internet service for a week or so. There will be no ping for several days and I do not trust Microsoft to handle that appropriately. See, that's what happens when two EF5 tornadoes and several smaller ones (some of which aren't even listed on the NWS site yet) come rolling through your city. You're telling me that I--we--should trust Microsoft. I'm telling you that I do not trust Microsoft--nor do I have (really, no one does) a single valid reason to do so. In fact, when I worked in television, I worked with them once. Being from the Seattle area, I've had friends who worked for them. I actually have more reason than most not to trust Microsoft. You go ahead and trust them if you like--it's your $500. I didn't earn it, it's not mine to spend and I have no right to tell you how to spend it.

Bottom line is that I do not like their proposed business model, I do not wish to give them my money for them to tell me how I am required to use hardware and software I have purchased, and this shiat does not fly with me. It's not about 'new hardware' or changes to the way consoles are, it's not even about 'always online,' because a PC is always online (though it's not required to ping back once a day or be cut off from any service whatsoever). It's about the implication that, once I purchase something, it still belongs to them and they can take possession of it--via electronic means--anytime they wish and 'brick' it if I don't want to play the way they think I should.

NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.
 
2013-06-13 08:01:03 PM

frepnog: Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.


Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to but an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.
 
2013-06-13 08:02:38 PM

Cheater71: frepnog: Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.

Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.


ftfm
 
2013-06-13 08:07:26 PM

Cheater71: Cheater71: frepnog: Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.

Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.

ftfm


Is it bad that I read that as "Xbone"?
 
2013-06-13 08:11:42 PM

Aigoo: Is it bad that I read that as "Xbone"?


Isn't that what it's called?
 
2013-06-13 08:11:51 PM

Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

[pbs.twimg.com image 542x416]


is traveling with your xbox a thing?
 
2013-06-13 08:12:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


Wouldn't it be nifty if they engineered a game to be carried around on media and then you have to use a web interface to access it? Takes away the whole download problem.
 
2013-06-13 08:14:28 PM

wambu: But can it play Quake?

/then go home


This
 
2013-06-13 08:14:30 PM

Cheater71: Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to but an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.


I don't wanna convince anyone.  Buy what you think is best if you plan on getting a new console.
 
2013-06-13 08:24:38 PM

Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!


Yeah, fark Microsoft. They're doing an exceptionally effective job of pushing me back into Sony's corner - a spot I'm not completely sure I want to be in.
 
2013-06-13 08:45:50 PM

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


OH!  Dilettante!  Punch cards not good enough for ya!
 
2013-06-13 08:55:51 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


I hate Steam.

Its introduction actually dramatically changed the way I play. Cut down the number of hours/week, too, so that may have been a good thing.
 
2013-06-13 08:57:56 PM
www.goodgame.hr
 
2013-06-13 08:58:57 PM

skullkrusher: is traveling with your xbox a thing?


Traveling with the PS2 was a thing.  You're bored, you're in a hotel, you've got RCA cables and the TV's got RCA jacks, bing-bang-boom you're business trip has an impromptu Guilty Gear tournament.  Or just plowing through a jrpg if that's your style.  Whatever.   I realize a lot of folks have the issue of their console becoming entrenched and entangled in the rat's nest of cables in the entertainment center, but if you barely even HAVE a home because 6+ months of the year you're at extended-stay hotels doing contractor-work (or something like it) it becomes a lot more normal to make space in your luggage for a console and just keep the cables and connectors out where you can get at 'em.
 
2013-06-13 08:59:48 PM

Sgt.Zim: I hate Steam.

Its introduction actually dramatically changed the way I play. Cut down the number of hours/week, too, so that may have been a good thing.


you actually let an optional service affect how you game?  it isn't like steam is the only way to buy\play pc games you know.

/steam is pretty great.
 
2013-06-13 09:00:19 PM

soporific: (Duck Tales is awesome and still kicks my ass.)


Capcom is doing releasing a DuckTales remake this year, and will use all the original voice actors from the cartoon in the game. I can't wait.
 
2013-06-13 09:02:02 PM
Well this certainly doesn't help ANY OF THE COMPLAINTS EVER.

I'm guessing this console generation is sorta like an intelligence test:

People who don't mind their rights being trampled on, being treated like criminals, having their property rights nullified at the whim of corporate overlords, and being spied on whenever the govt decides to (see the Prism case already being pushed for evidence of the NSA being able to order companies to never reveal when they've sold you out even if the company wants to), and having their purchases and game libraries being completely nullified when the next console gen starts (you think those verification servers will stay up long when the Xbone2 comes out?  HAH!) will all buy the Xbone1.

  People who actually want a console to be a farking CONSOLE still, keep their property rights, NOT be spied on, and be treated like they have any goddamn worth by the producer of the hardware will go PS4.

Xbone lovers, I hope you enjoy being sold cheap and dirty like a crackhouse whore.  OH wait, not 'cheap' cause you are PAYING EXTRA!
 
2013-06-13 09:02:58 PM

TheBigJerk: skullkrusher: is traveling with your xbox a thing?

Traveling with the PS2 was a thing.  You're bored, you're in a hotel, you've got RCA cables and the TV's got RCA jacks, bing-bang-boom you're business trip has an impromptu Guilty Gear tournament.  Or just plowing through a jrpg if that's your style.  Whatever.   I realize a lot of folks have the issue of their console becoming entrenched and entangled in the rat's nest of cables in the entertainment center, but if you barely even HAVE a home because 6+ months of the year you're at extended-stay hotels doing contractor-work (or something like it) it becomes a lot more normal to make space in your luggage for a console and just keep the cables and connectors out where you can get at 'em.


i have always taken a console when I travel.  Hell, I had the 360 with me when I took my kids on vacation to a cabin on a lake once.  No internet, but we sure did play some Halo and rock band.  I even bought an adapter that lets me plug the composite input into it and it outputs an rf signal so I knew I could hook the think up anywhere I went (never found an old style rf adapter for the 360).
 
2013-06-13 09:03:32 PM
I sincerely hope that NOBODY buys EITHER of them.
 
2013-06-13 09:03:34 PM

TheBigJerk: skullkrusher: is traveling with your xbox a thing?

Traveling with the PS2 was a thing.  You're bored, you're in a hotel, you've got RCA cables and the TV's got RCA jacks, bing-bang-boom you're business trip has an impromptu Guilty Gear tournament.  Or just plowing through a jrpg if that's your style.  Whatever.   I realize a lot of folks have the issue of their console becoming entrenched and entangled in the rat's nest of cables in the entertainment center, but if you barely even HAVE a home because 6+ months of the year you're at extended-stay hotels doing contractor-work (or something like it) it becomes a lot more normal to make space in your luggage for a console and just keep the cables and connectors out where you can get at 'em.


ah if you are on the road a lot for work and hotels become more like a home, then I guess that makes sense. I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though
 
2013-06-13 09:06:33 PM

skullkrusher: I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though


i have found that having a console along when traveling keeps me out of trouble.
 
2013-06-13 09:07:59 PM

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


Took me 4 days to download Max Payne 3 for steam. They are ignoring a lot of customers that don't have decent broadband available. The only broadband we have at home is satellite and it's got too much lag to game online.
 
2013-06-13 09:08:09 PM

Clutch2013: Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

Yeah, fark Microsoft. They're doing an exceptionally effective job of pushing me back into Sony's corner - a spot I'm not completely sure I want to be in.


Well there's a third option... you could drop the consoles entirely and go PC gaming master race.  It's better over here.

But seriously, if you are sticking with consoles, go PS4.  Atm Sony is the only game in town with decent hardware (lookin at you WiiU) and any shred of a heart left for the customers.  I honestly was pleasantly suprised that they announced that they will NOT allow online pass style DRM from third party publishers at all... who would have thought SONY of all companies would stand up for the little guy?
 
2013-06-13 09:12:07 PM

frepnog: skullkrusher: I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though

i have found that having a console along when traveling keeps me out of trouble.


hehe I can imagine. My hotel bar bills would be ridiculous
 
2013-06-13 09:13:15 PM

Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.


Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.
 
2013-06-13 09:13:25 PM
well since it sounds like bringing a disc to your buddies and popping it in for some fun multiplayer is a no go with the licensing screw xbox.
They moved far enough away from 4 player local on the old system enough to make me and my buddies dislike it.
They want only online social content and expect everyone to have no life outside their own house.
 
2013-06-13 09:16:42 PM
"This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Isn't that exactly what Microsoft also said about Windows 8?
 
2013-06-13 09:18:42 PM

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


Just got introduced to Steam less than a year ago....it is pretty sweet. I've built up a nice collection based entirely on sales, particularly from the holidays. Borderlands 2, Assassins Creed Brotherhood, Just Cause 2 (incredible open world game), Far Cry 2....each just around $5.

Hell I just bought Borderlands 2 a few weeks ago for only $12. I want to be a console guy, but Valve keeps pulling my cheap ass back in.
 
2013-06-13 09:18:59 PM

TheBigJerk: Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.

Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.


All good points.  Here's another one in the same vein:  What happens when the Xbone2 comes out 5 or 6 years from now?

Is MS gonna keep paying to keep the Xbone1's activation/authentication servers up?  Can you keep buying games?  Or within the first 6 months are they gonna say "Backwards compatibility is just backwards" again and turn off those servers, bricking EVERY xbone1?  At least Steam doesn't have a new generation of Steam come out every 5 or 6 years, so as long as they keep turning profit their servers will stay up.

PS4, you don't have to worry about that.
 
2013-06-13 09:21:54 PM

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


i predict a hack/fix being out for the spycam within 24 hours of release
 
2013-06-13 09:26:57 PM

lotus: "This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Isn't that exactly what Microsoft also said about Windows 8?


It is the same level of disaster.
 
2013-06-13 09:35:32 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Coboc: scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.

Shill much?


He's been shilling like the rents 3 months late and he's paid on commission.

/Ask me how I know that you didn't read the thread.
//Cancelled my Xbone order - got a PS4 instead.
///Micro$oft blew it by acting like Kingpin Pusher in Crack Ho Alley.
 
2013-06-13 09:37:30 PM
I kinda want a PS4 because of all the various neat looking games coming out, most involving zombies.

/interested to find out how that Bungie game turns out - because it looks good and has the voice of Peter Dinklage in it.
 
2013-06-13 09:42:01 PM

thecpt: Meant how was it failing. I thought it was a massive success in 04/05 with hl2. Turns out I missed the year of beta outrage cs players had.


Ah, yeah. Steam had a pretty rough start, but I love it now.  But if I want a Steam model, I will use Steam. I don't want my console to try to be Steam, especially imposing digital-download-like restrictions on physical media.

The PS4 still feels like a console to me, which is why I'll be getting one of those. And I will continue to game on PC, really looking forward to the Steam Summer Sale next month!

(Not a Sony fanboy, the 360 was my console of choice last round, didn't buy a PS3, and still don't trust Sony after the whole rootkit thing)
 
2013-06-13 09:46:55 PM
This is why I prefer PC games. I can easily pirate PC games.

Some time ago I pirated some antivirus software and it turned out all my pirated software had viruses in it! I was like WTF!
 
2013-06-13 09:50:31 PM

Egoy3k: Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.

I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband.  I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.


Ohhh... so because you don't have a problem, nobody does? That's some sound logic there, sport.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:37 PM

Drew Hates Boobies: He's been shilling like the rents 3 months late and he's paid on commission.


I've already been properly chastised for voicing my opinion.  Gotta love how pointing out details that everyone is either ignoring or is simply willfully ignorant of makes me a shill.  It's this thing I do, when I'm reading up on something, where I, y'know, check for facts and not just take random internets opinions as gospel and try to share that information when people keep spreading rumor and speculation.

/I know, I know, welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-06-13 09:59:51 PM
A Dwarf Fortress charges at the XBox!
An XBox One looks surprised by the ferocity of Dwarf Fortress's onslaught!
The Dwarf Fortress collides with the XBox One!
The XBox One is knocked over and tumbles backwards!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A Dwarf Fortress enters a martial trance.
A Dwarf Fortress punches an Xbox One in the lower body, bruising the muscle and bruising the guts!
An XBox One looks sick!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A kitten has become enraged!
The XBox One falls over.
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress bites a Playstation 4 on the upper left leg, tearing apart the muscle and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
The XBox One attacks a kitten but she jumps away!
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress shakes the Playstation 4 around by the upper left leg, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
A kitten bats the XBox One in the Kinect, tearing the casing and bruising the sensor!
A Dwarf Fortress punches the Playstation 4 in the head, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing the brain!
The Playstation 4 has been struck down.
A kitten bites the XBox One in the head, tearing apart the skin and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
A kitten latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress leaves a martial trance.
A kitten shakes around the XBox One by the head, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
The XBox One has been struck down.
 
2013-06-13 10:09:15 PM

Coboc: Aigoo: Is it bad that I read that as "Xbone"?

Isn't that what it's called?


You just know someone in MS marking was hoping it would be nicnamed Xbown
 
2013-06-13 10:10:43 PM

MadSkillz: I kinda want a PS4 because of all the various neat looking games coming out, most involving zombies.

/interested to find out how that Bungie game turns out - because it looks good and has the voice of Peter Dinklage in it.


Just get a computer for DayZ standalone
 
2013-06-13 10:21:53 PM

frepnog: Sgt.Zim: I hate Steam.

Its introduction actually dramatically changed the way I play. Cut down the number of hours/week, too, so that may have been a good thing.

you actually let an optional service affect how you game?  it isn't like steam is the only way to buy\play pc games you know.

/steam is pretty great.


It's not optional for Modern Warfare 2, which is where I was introduced to it, and gave up on it.

Admittedly, Steam isn't MW2's only problem, it's more of "the straw that broke the camel's back".
 
2013-06-13 10:26:27 PM

TheBigJerk: Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.

Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.


Welcome to the joy of "Software as a Service".  You don't own the software, or even a right to use it; you're just renting the privilege of using it, until the Publisher (yes, I capitalized that intentionally) decides it's no longer profitable to continue to allow you to use it.

"Here, use the 'New and Improved' version!"
 
2013-06-13 10:27:20 PM

Sgt.Zim: t's not optional for Modern Warfare 2, which is where I was introduced to it, and gave up on it.


I suppose you should have been playing it on Xbox Live, where it was meant to be played then.

/the only games I have in my steam account that are also console games are Left 4 Dead and Portal.
 
2013-06-13 10:28:02 PM

Cpl.D: A Dwarf Fortress charges at the XBox!
An XBox One looks surprised by the ferocity of Dwarf Fortress's onslaught!
The Dwarf Fortress collides with the XBox One!
The XBox One is knocked over and tumbles backwards!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A Dwarf Fortress enters a martial trance.
A Dwarf Fortress punches an Xbox One in the lower body, bruising the muscle and bruising the guts!
An XBox One looks sick!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A kitten has become enraged!
The XBox One falls over.
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress bites a Playstation 4 on the upper left leg, tearing apart the muscle and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
The XBox One attacks a kitten but she jumps away!
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress shakes the Playstation 4 around by the upper left leg, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
A kitten bats the XBox One in the Kinect, tearing the casing and bruising the sensor!
A Dwarf Fortress punches the Playstation 4 in the head, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing the brain!
The Playstation 4 has been struck down.
A kitten bites the XBox One in the head, tearing apart the skin and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
A kitten latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress leaves a martial trance.
A kitten shakes around the XBox One by the head, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
The XBox One has been struck down.


that was awesome but Dwarf Fortress sucks :)
 
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