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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com) divider line 457
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2013-06-13 05:40:12 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.



I don't have to be logged in to Steam 24/7/365 to play my games. I don't lose access to Steam if I'm not logged in/can't log in for 24 hours. Steam doesn't punish me for refusing to allow them to have a camera pointed at me 24/7/365, nor do they punish me if a tornado comes through and knocks out my power and internet. Once services are restored, I can log back in to Steam and go right back to playing, even if it's been a week.

Steam has brilliant sales almost constantly, so I almost never pay $60 for a game and I rarely pay full price for DLC.

See? Yes I can explain that. Very easily. XBox One will be a $500 paperweight come next tornado season, Steam will still be a useful service come next tornado season. There is no competition between the two.
 
2013-06-13 05:40:31 PM  

Egoy3k: miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.

They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.


My store bought DVD of the Pc version of Fallout New Vegas is nothing more than a steam client and the encrypted Steam files for the game.  You can not install the game PERIOD without connecting to Steam and logging into an account.  My 6-cd version of Half-Life 2 (bought Day One) is pretty much the same farking deal.  Right now, my internet connection refuses to connect to Steam.  I have never been able to install the New Vegas game.
 
2013-06-13 05:41:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


My guess is that since you can play games while they are still downloading, they will set it up so that the games stream ala Netflix or Youtube.  That way you start playing and the game will prioritize downloading the section that you are in at any given time.

Which may work for RPGs and Platformers, but I'm not sure how it would work for Multiplayer games like Call of Duty, Street Fighter, or even Forza where all stages and locations are available from the start.

Perhaps it will only load the framework and character textures first and wait to download the individual stages as you progress?

Without more details it's difficult to say how exactly that would work out over Grandma's 1.5MB DSL connection.
 
2013-06-13 05:42:13 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

[www.computerhistory.org image 570x380]


Thank you MicroShill. I'm sure you have lots of experience with the PS4 and street-ready game builds.
 
2013-06-13 05:44:00 PM  

skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon


It really is the camera that's the nail in the coffin. Who wants to knowingly invite a big corporation into your home to spy on you with a camera.A camera that can almost read your mind so it can send data back to headquarters where their marketers use the information to learn how to better manipulate you?

And how have we gotten to the point that a corporation would even think consumers would find this kind of thing acceptable?

George Orwell got it all wrong. Big Brother is a god damn capitalist.
 
2013-06-13 05:45:10 PM  

Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.


You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.
 
2013-06-13 05:47:07 PM  
"One" is a stupid identifier for the third generation of a product.
 
2013-06-13 05:50:07 PM  

bugontherug: It really is the camera that's the nail in the coffin. Who wants to knowingly invite a big corporation into your home to spy on you with a camera.A camera that can almost read your mind so it can send data back to headquarters where their marketers use the information to learn how to better manipulate you?


The NSA would have a field day with immediate access to the heart rates and emotional stability of everyone in the room.
 
2013-06-13 05:50:23 PM  
I guess since it's "digital" maybe "zero" was the only other option.
 
2013-06-13 05:51:23 PM  

MrSteve007: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.

Because computers never get spyware or hacked and have their webcams remotely activated . . .


I don't have a / need a webcam for my computer to work. Spyware is easily managed, and I can use my PC offline if I want.

Next!
 
2013-06-13 05:54:22 PM  
Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?
 
2013-06-13 05:54:27 PM  

Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.


So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?
 
2013-06-13 05:58:12 PM  

frepnog: Egoy3k: miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.

They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.

My store bought DVD of the Pc version of Fallout New Vegas is nothing more than a steam client and the encrypted Steam files for the game.  You can not install the game PERIOD without connecting to Steam and logging into an account.  My 6-cd version of Half-Life 2 (bought Day One) is pretty much the same farking deal.  Right now, my internet connection refuses to connect to Steam.  I have never been able to install the New Vegas game.


Disable window's firewall.
 
2013-06-13 05:58:59 PM  

ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.

Worked for the original Wii.


It is going to be tough to do at a $500 price point.

Same with the media box angle. $500 is going to be too high to be ubiquitous in that make.
 
2013-06-13 06:01:46 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: bugontherug: It really is the camera that's the nail in the coffin. Who wants to knowingly invite a big corporation into your home to spy on you with a camera.A camera that can almost read your mind so it can send data back to headquarters where their marketers use the information to learn how to better manipulate you?

The NSA would have a field day with immediate access to the heart rates and emotional stability of everyone in the room.


It's an old link, but it kind of  makes one wonder if that's been the plan all along.    Microsoft Exec appointed to DHS

/kidding...
//sort of...
///still not buying one.
 
2013-06-13 06:01:57 PM  

soporific: I am a lifelong gamer and I have never wanted a console less than I've not wanted the Xbox One. And I'm really enjoying what appears to be Microsoft's condescending attitude towards those who raise reasonable concerns about the new model. It's a real winner and a great PR strategy, because nothing makes me want a console more than being mocked and condescended to about not wanting their console.


THIS
 
2013-06-13 06:07:23 PM  

Cheater71: Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?


It's not the be-all and end-all of my Xbox experience.  If they had a version $100 cheaper that stripped it out, I'd probably still go for the Kinect bundle because I'm interested to see how it gets rolled into the new stuff, but it's not #1 on my priority list.  That it's there isn't a negative to me, like it apparently is for what looks like a large percentage of the seething masses on the internet.

Honestly, I think MOST of this outrage stems from the fact that MS is doing something completely different in the console space.  Taking away trade-ins, I imagine, is a major sticking point for a TON of people that label themselves hard-core gamers.  Everything else, from the 24-hour ping (which for people with spotty or no internet is an obvious DO NOT BUY) to the Kinect is just extra fuel for the waaaaaambulance everyone's riding in.  And one thing I've noticed about tech types, myself included, is that change is ALWAYS scary and there's always serious pushback  In November everyone's going to be too busy dicking around with thier PS4s and Xbones to remember what all the hoopla was about back in June.

And that's okay, because whenever the internet gets this fired up over toys, it's always a tempest in a teapot.
 
2013-06-13 06:08:39 PM  

Burning_Monk: frepnog: Egoy3k: miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.

They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.

My store bought DVD of the Pc version of Fallout New Vegas is nothing more than a steam client and the encrypted Steam files for the game.  You can not install the game PERIOD without connecting to Steam and logging into an account.  My 6-cd version of Half-Life 2 (bought Day One) is pretty much the same farking deal.  Right now, my internet connection refuses to connect to Steam.  I have never been able to install the New Vegas game.

Disable window's firewall.


i have.  man i have done everything, I can't get steam to connect.  It has been driving me crazy.  I think it is something with Verizon but I am not sure.  I can't connect to BattleNet either.  Everything else works fine.
 
2013-06-13 06:16:18 PM  

thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."


Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since


Did you stop reading at the word "fail" or something?
 
2013-06-13 06:17:01 PM  

Coboc: Cheater71: Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?

It's not the be-all and end-all of my Xbox experience.  If they had a version $100 cheaper that stripped it out, I'd probably still go for the Kinect bundle because I'm interested to see how it gets rolled into the new stuff, but it's not #1 on my priority list.  That it's there isn't a negative to me, like it apparently is for what looks like a large percentage of the seething masses on the internet.

Honestly, I think MOST of this outrage stems from the fact that MS is doing something completely different in the console space.  Taking away trade-ins, I imagine, is a major sticking point for a TON of people that label themselves hard-core gamers.  Everything else, from the 24-hour ping (which for people with spotty or no internet is an obvious DO NOT BUY) to the Kinect is just extra fuel for the waaaaaambulance everyone's riding in.  And one thing I've noticed about tech types, myself included, is that change is ALWAYS scary and there's always serious pushback  In November everyone's going to be too busy dicking around with thier PS4s and Xbones to remember what all the hoopla was about back in June. the Xbone at all.

And that's okay, because whenever the internet gets this fired up over toys, it's always a tempest in a teapot.


FTFY
 
2013-06-13 06:20:26 PM  

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?


Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.
 
2013-06-13 06:24:14 PM  

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Yep, like the slow erosion of our rights. We'll give in because it isn't AS BAD as originally thought. Right...
 
2013-06-13 06:26:40 PM  

inertcorkhair: "One" is a stupid identifier for the third generation of a product.

images.tvrage.com
One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.  Two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one, ahhhhhh.
 
2013-06-13 06:26:57 PM  

Coboc: Cheater71: Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?

It's not the be-all and end-all of my Xbox experience.  If they had a version $100 cheaper that stripped it out, I'd probably still go for the Kinect bundle because I'm interested to see how it gets rolled into the new stuff, but it's not #1 on my priority list.  That it's there isn't a negative to me, like it apparently is for what looks like a large percentage of the seething masses on the internet.

Honestly, I think MOST of this outrage stems from the fact that MS is doing something completely different in the console space.  Taking away trade-ins, I imagine, is a major sticking point for a TON of people that label themselves hard-core gamers.  Everything else, from the 24-hour ping (which for people with spotty or no internet is an obvious DO NOT BUY) to the Kinect is just extra fuel for the waaaaaambulance everyone's riding in.  And one thing I've noticed about tech types, myself included, is that change is ALWAYS scary and there's always serious pushback  In November everyone's going to be too busy dicking around with thier PS4s and Xbones to remember what all the hoopla was about back in June.

And that's okay, because whenever the internet gets this fired up over toys, it's always a tempest in a teapot.


It's too early to really tell how this will ultimately affect sales for the xbox but there are some legitimate complaints on the part of consumers, particularly with privacy concerns over the kinect camera, the higher price point that only provides functionality that most users don't need or want and the DRM/ownership of copies of games. Ultimately these things will probably have limited impact on most users experience using the xbox but are you willing to trade away your rights simply because it isn't convenient or almost as bad put up with that extra level of inconvenience just so Microsoft can make a little more money?
 
2013-06-13 06:29:15 PM  

Carn: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

Only if you forgot to stock up on beer.


This is a valid argument.  Generator can easily run a fridge, an AC, a TV, and my Xbox.
 
2013-06-13 06:29:45 PM  
While I hate the idea that the XBone needs to phone home daily.  I seriously doubt it will do so on its own.  What it will almost certainly do is check in on boot and as long as your system is setup to log in automatically you won't notice it until you or MS suffers a major outage.
 
2013-06-13 06:39:44 PM  

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?


Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.
 
2013-06-13 06:42:18 PM  

Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?

Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.


You know I have tried to type a reasonable and calm response to this post three times and had to delete what I had and start over each time.  There really is no way to respectfully explain how wrong you are and I can see that you are a vet so I'd rather not be disrespectful. Maybe some other kind Farker can explain what a 'ping within the last 24 hours' service is and how it works. All I will say is that you have made some very paranoid assumptions and that you are wrong about how the system that has been described by Microsoft works.
 
2013-06-13 06:44:17 PM  

jtown: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.

I think e-books are working just fine for my libary.  I rent myself up several e-books and audio books a month through them.


But the ownership/licensing fights going on behind the scenes are brutal.  It has not been a good model for libraries.  At all.
 
2013-06-13 06:51:29 PM  

Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.


I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband.  I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.
 
2013-06-13 06:51:47 PM  
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-13 06:53:02 PM  

Nefarious: While I hate the idea that the XBone needs to phone home daily.  I seriously doubt it will do so on its own.  What it will almost certainly do is check in on boot and as long as your system is setup to log in automatically you won't notice it until you or MS suffers a major outage.


But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

Seriously, people got pissed to high heaven and back when Diablo 3 and SimCity were plagued (and still are) with their server issues that locked people out of their games.  Now, picture that, but with an entire console.  BONUS: Microsoft's "Come at me, bro" attitude has no doubt already attracted the hackers, including Anonymous.  I know we like to think that people are fickle about matters like this, but they aren't that fickle.  November ought to be real fun once the server attacks start.  Yep, they're coming.  Hell, they're to be expected at this point, the way Microsoft has been Leeroy Jenkins'ing their way through this mess.

The Xbox One is an entire battalion of bad ideas, all concentrated and enriched with weapons-grade stupid.  Microsoft has to know this.  But instead of either trying to fix the problems or even mitigate them, they've chosen to go to maximum derp.  Mattrick's comments finally soured me completely on the idea of even considering their new system.  At this rate, it's going to take a RADICAL turnaround from the company in order to get me to even consider buying another product from them again.
 
2013-06-13 06:54:34 PM  

Coboc: scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.


Shill much?
 
2013-06-13 06:54:59 PM  

YoOjo: LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.

Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?


They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently.  Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.
 
2013-06-13 06:56:18 PM  

Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.


1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.
 
2013-06-13 06:57:52 PM  

Off2403: They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently. Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.


they cleared that up today.  he misspoke.  it is still in development, is not on hiatus.
 
2013-06-13 06:58:30 PM  
Voiceofreason01:

I don't see anything, except the possible hardware failure of the Kinect before the main box as a problem.  My Steam Library is enormous, and there's a ton of stuff I never, ever, touch and maybe I could trade them in except...no, I can't and haven't ever been able to.  In fact, I've never traded any of my console games either because the $5 or $8 EB offers only to turn around and sell it at $45-50 actually offends me.  It's the same reason I never buy games used, plus I like the devs to get a piece of the pie.  So my "right" to get rid of my games is something I've never excercised and do see myself using.  If anything, I like the portability of my library, I like that I won't have mountains of coasters on my coffee table, I like that if I want a game on day-1 I won't have to run to a store...I work nights, so that's a big plus for me.  I see nothing but positives from how they plan on handling content for how I comsume it.  I know there are others who are the exact opposite, or idealogically opposed or just plain ornery and like to whine.
The 24-hour check-in is moot because most of what I play is either with my buddies online or against perfect strangers online.  Even when I'm playing a Fallout or a Skyrim, it's rare that I'm not in party chat with someone from my friends list.  My ISP is solid, and I lose power maybe 1-3 times a year for a few hours, barring a massive catastrophe.  I don't travel with my console but even if I did I could do the call-home using my mobile as a hotspot.
I'm not chomping at the bit to take advantage of the Kinect, but I can see it coming in handy for a few games as a tool to help with immersion, and I'm not terribly worried about the data-mining or other problems having a camera in my living room poses.

I cover everything?
 
2013-06-13 07:02:47 PM  

Coboc: Voiceofreason01:

I don't see anything, except the possible hardware failure of the Kinect before the main box as a problem.  My Steam Library is enormous, and there's a ton of stuff I never, ever, touch and maybe I could trade them in except...no, I can't and haven't ever been able to.  In fact, I've never traded any of my console games either because the $5 or $8 EB offers only to turn around and sell it at $45-50 actually offends me.  It's the same reason I never buy games used, plus I like the devs to get a piece of the pie.  So my "right" to get rid of my games is something I've never excercised and do see myself using.  If anything, I like the portability of my library, I like that I won't have mountains of coasters on my coffee table, I like that if I want a game on day-1 I won't have to run to a store...I work nights, so that's a big plus for me.  I see nothing but positives from how they plan on handling content for how I comsume it.  I know there are others who are the exact opposite, or idealogically opposed or just plain ornery and like to whine.
The 24-hour check-in is moot because most of what I play is either with my buddies online or against perfect strangers online.  Even when I'm playing a Fallout or a Skyrim, it's rare that I'm not in party chat with someone from my friends list.  My ISP is solid, and I lose power maybe 1-3 times a year for a few hours, barring a massive catastrophe.  I don't travel with my console but even if I did I could do the call-home using my mobile as a hotspot.
I'm not chomping at the bit to take advantage of the Kinect, but I can see it coming in handy for a few games as a tool to help with immersion, and I'm not terribly worried about the data-mining or other problems having a camera in my living room poses.

I cover everything?


www.startrek.com

Your training collar is working well, #7.
 
2013-06-13 07:06:13 PM  

frepnog: Off2403: They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently. Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.

they cleared that up today.  he misspoke.  it is still in development, is not on hiatus.


Excellent, although I'm still considering it on hiatus until there's a release date.  As long as the end product is as good as their PS2 offerings it'll be worth the wait.
 
2013-06-13 07:07:35 PM  

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.


The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.
 
2013-06-13 07:09:24 PM  

Clutch2013: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.

The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.


By that logic the current requirement of having a disc in the console is the 'everyone is a potential thief' argument as well.
 
2013-06-13 07:11:05 PM  

RatMaster999: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

No...all the womyn are standing behind the fat guy...


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

We do not concern ourselves with Console Troyan pigs.
 
2013-06-13 07:13:56 PM  

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.

The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.

By that logic the current requirement of having a disc in the console is the 'everyone is a potential thief' argument as well.


You're not right, but that won't stop you anytime soon.  Carry on.
 
2013-06-13 07:16:01 PM  

Off2403: frepnog: Off2403: They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently. Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.

they cleared that up today.  he misspoke.  it is still in development, is not on hiatus.

Excellent, although I'm still considering it on hiatus until there's a release date.  As long as the end product is as good as their PS2 offerings it'll be worth the wait.


honestly I still figure it might never come out.  They have missed an entire console generation - the longest console generation yet, at that.  Ico and Shadow are fantastic and I bought both Day One (still have my PS2 connected thru component cables JUST to occasionally play Shadow) but yeah, no matter what they say I am skeptical about LG ever releasing.  It might just be the new DNF.
 
2013-06-13 07:16:59 PM  
DRM has never stopped piracy before... But it will now, because, for the first time ever, it is DIGITAL!!!

Grants on coming up with a fancy new punishment for paying customers, though.
 
2013-06-13 07:18:46 PM  

Dragonflew: thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since

Did you stop reading at the word "fail" or something?


Meant how was it failing. I thought it was a massive success in 04/05 with hl2. Turns out I missed the year of beta outrage cs players had.
 
2013-06-13 07:21:24 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


Because if we wanted steam we would get steam? If we want a console we get a console? Pretty simple
 
2013-06-13 07:21:50 PM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Shill much?


Nice, but no...I'd probably use alot more corporatese like "Microsoft is leveraging their dynamism!" and "provides intense community involvement" and somesuch.

I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features.  To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on.  Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

Sorry?
 
2013-06-13 07:22:39 PM  
Coboc:
I cover everything?

You really killed the crap out of those strawmen that you lined up.
 
2013-06-13 07:24:19 PM  

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


That has been my theory on the last few United States presidents. I'm still waiting for the "only halfway lame" part........
 
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