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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com ) divider line 457
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2013-06-13 04:51:15 PM  

Jument: fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!

If you want to be paranoid I would recommend duct tape. That said, if you own a laptop, tablet or phone with a camera you are just being silly.


The console will stop function if the Kinect isn't working. It needs to detect a person to play games.
 
2013-06-13 04:51:53 PM  
I have owned a total of 5 Xboxes.  Two of the original model -- the first one died.  And three 360s -- the first one died, again, and the other two because I like to game while the GF watches Netflix.  I have never bought, or tried to play, a bootleg or pirated game in my life.  I do have a number of games installed on both machines, but have always paid for the DLC twice -- it's just easier that way.
In other words, I consider myself to be a pretty damn good customer for Microsoft.
So why are they trying to treat me like I'm a suspect?  Why do I have to prove to them every single damned day that I'm not cheating anybody?
It's pretty clear from the article that Microsoft is so blinded with arrogance that they don't even understand how much they are insulting their own customer base.
Needless to say, my next console will be a PS4.  Since the new Xbox won't play any of the games I already have anyway, there is absolutely nothing to lose by switching.  And, I'm hoping that enough people will come to the same decision to cause Microsoft to realize they made a very bad decision to treat their customers like felons.
To hell with them.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:07 PM  
OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:15 PM  

solaufein: I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.


Then they'd better get on board with the Steam Pricing Scheme.

Full price now, 50% off in 6 months or so, 75% off shortly therafter. Amazeballs sales.

None of this high-priced never-go-on-any-significant-sale-ever BS that console games seem to have.

/couldn't care less about reselling on the used market if I could buy AAA bestsellers for 10 bucks just by waiting a while.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:55 PM  
"Hey, you got Kotaku in my Fark!"
 
2013-06-13 04:53:25 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES! You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!! Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!


heh this is kinda where I am coming from. My 360 is continuously hooked up to my wifi network. Of course, if my internet goes down for a day, my 360 doesn't stop working which is good and different than the Bone
 
2013-06-13 04:54:43 PM  

netweavr: thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since

Early 2000s, mid-2000s was when it start to take off in popularity.


I thought it was released with hl2 (when I got it)

Checking...03 and its problems were not being able to handle demand apparently. Okay looks like I missed its bad year.

Probably will get the ps4 but if there is a steam box announcement before then, I don't know.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:00 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


levelselect.co.uk
 
2013-06-13 04:55:12 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


That's the dumbest thing I've read all day, and I accidentally stumbled into a Buzzfeed link earlier.

Congratulations.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:55 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.
 
2013-06-13 04:56:46 PM  
I work for a 100% Microsoft software shop.

Everyone here is buying PS4.
 
2013-06-13 04:56:57 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


I have yet to see a single Microsoft shill present a single defense as to why the Xbone requires you to check in online every day. Why is it a requirement?

-To check up on what is installed? I don't need them to treat me like I'm a criminal that needs watching as to what I do with my own property.
-To upload/download records of what the Kinect saw or heard? No thank you.
-For online games? What if I don't play those? Then there's no reason for the internet connection.

You CANNOT defend that requirement. It is indefensible.
 
2013-06-13 04:57:04 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.

Choosing

to, and being required to, are vastly, vastly, VASTLY different things.

Clueless retards that can't see that is what's wrong with this world.

/lemme guess, the NSA stuff also doesn't bother you because you have "nothing to hide"
 
2013-06-13 04:58:56 PM  

regornam: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html

Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.


I'm pretty offended that you're assuming I'm a console peasant. I have a gaming PC, I don't need a console, and neither do I want one.

But the kind of restrictions Microsoft is trying to push on people who like video games doesn't stop existing just because I don't use consoles. It's a dangerous precedent that needs to be stopped now before it gets out of hand. If I ignore it today because it doesn't effect me, it'll be me having to deal with this bullshiat tomorrow.
 
2013-06-13 05:00:21 PM  
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2013-06-13 05:01:58 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: [img.gawkerassets.com image 320x434]


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

/Also goes well with the Xbox guy's comment during Killer Instinct
 
2013-06-13 05:02:22 PM  
Man, there are so many ill-informed people posting on this thread. I'm not a fan of MS or the new stuff they are implementing, but at least understand what you are complaining about.

Dimensio: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account. If you bought a second xb1, it would act exactly the same as your current two computer setup. You sign in with your Live account and have access to all of your games, just like in Steam. You can have family accounts with access to your games to make it even easier. You are complaining about a problem they have already explained doesn't exist.

scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

DanZero: Your image has so many problems I can't begin to refute all of them.

Anyone saying that PS4 is allowing you to do all this stuff, while xb1 is denying it, needs to take note of a few things:

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS is saying they will allow lending and reselling games all you want from their IP, but they are leaving it up to the publisher to limit that in other games. They are saying nearly the same thing as Sony!

4) The 24 hour check doesn't stop you from playing your game forever. It just means you have to check in before you can play again. I don't like this requirement at all, but people are blowing it out of proportion. Your machine isn't bricked. You just have to connect it to the internet before you can play again. This is bad for people in the military or who travel a lot, so it's a shame they don't allow you to have the disk in the machine to verify.

5) MS will allow you to lend a game remotely to a friend for free. Sony does not allow that. That means my friend in Indiana can let me try out a game while I live in California. My biggest reason for not buying games is I don't want to pay for something I haven't played yet, so when my friends want me to play an online multiplayer game with them they have a hard time convincing me to buy whatever game it is. This will help that.

Sony specifically said they will let publishers do whatever DRM and lending/reselling limitations they want. This is the same plan as MS, except MS has a system in place to make it standardized... again, only if the publisher chooses to implement that system.
 
2013-06-13 05:03:14 PM  

Egoy3k: ItchyMcDoogle: Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.

Mom and Pop my ass.  The fact that people are upset that they will no longer have the privilege of carting their outdated physical media to Gamestop to get a $5 credit just so Gamestop can turn around and sell it for $50 amazes me.


Scouring the used-game shelves at GameStop and its ilk has scored me plenty of good deals on older current- and previous-gen games. I haven't traded anything in in years, but shopping for used games (or books or clothes or whatever) is almost a hobby of mine, and I don't like giving up hobbies.
 
2013-06-13 05:05:19 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.


And I get that having the extra peripheral isn't ideal, but I have a hard time getting upset about it.  I've heard a lot of speculation that it'll be used to gather info for marketing/the evil gubmint wants that camera in there to spy on you.  In either case, I find it highly unlikely that the Xbox is transmitting any amount of useful info during it's daily sign in (assuming you aren't just leaving it online) which is supposed to be in the kilobytes range.

So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.
 
2013-06-13 05:06:59 PM  
horsepocket: 4) The 24 hour check doesn't stop you from playing your game forever. It just means you have to check in before you can play again. I don't like this requirement at all, but people are blowing it out of proportion. Your machine isn't bricked. You just have to connect it to the internet before you can play again. This is bad for people in the military or who travel a lot, so it's a shame they don't allow you to have the disk in the machine to verify.

Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?
 
2013-06-13 05:09:04 PM  

horsepocket: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account.


...An account that has to check in to a server every 24 hours or you can't play your games.

Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk?

A disk that you can't resell unless you sell it back to a 'specified retailier'. No more yard sale games, no more Ebay.

And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

Yeah, you can lend him the game for 24 hours, after which if your friend still wants to play it he has to pay a fee. You left out that part.

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

So you're saying that because Sony did something stupid in the past, people should buy an Xbox One and put up with a bunch of draconian bullshiat now. How stupid are you?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

See above

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS ...

"PS4 Doesn't Allow Online Passes Even From Third-Party Publishers"
- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Even- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


Consider your post debunked.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:21 PM  

thecpt: remus: But is it Hi Fi?

It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo


Just so you know, this did not go unnoticed.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:44 PM  

horsepocket: scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.


Except for the whole article about the BIGGEST BENEFIT OF XBOX ONE IS DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!!!11!! EVERYTHING IS CLOUD BASED!!!!!1111

I know you can bring the disc over and install it, but Microsoft's big push this year is YOU DON'T NEED THE DISC ANYMORE.

And you can't lend him the game if you don't want to sign in. Every single article says you MUST sign in because it is your game linked to your account. They've said next to nothing about the "10 family members" because they have no idea how it's going to work, that was just them trying to get something back after their stupid-ass announcements.

Holy cow, get your actual facts straight before you try to act like a smartass.
 
2013-06-13 05:10:25 PM  

Carth: What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did?


You're farked.
 
2013-06-13 05:11:10 PM  
What about if you do something crazy and decide to maybe go on a vacation?  Most people tend to shut everything down except for a few things here and there on timers.  At least I do, I don't see the need to waste electricity, on internet or wifi if we're not there to use it.  Yes, we power down everything when the house is empty on a daily basis too. 


So, if you aren't there to login for a few days, or a week or two, what happens?  Are you going to have to get permission from Microsoft if you go on vacation?  Will they put a hold on your account for however many days you are absent from the network?
 
2013-06-13 05:11:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


No...all the womyn are standing behind the fat guy...
 
2013-06-13 05:14:03 PM  
Coboc:
So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

Yes.  I have a projector for my home theater, where my 360 and HTPC live.  Making the kinect mandatory means that game devs are going to assume it's there.  How long until games that otherwise would not need any kinect functionality suddenly "require" it (as in, have features that can only be performed via kinect)?

I'm not going to sit and shout at my screen to play games, and standing up or waving your arms in front of the projector presents an obvious hindrance to actual gameplay.

I have no concerns about the little eye spying on me.  When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug.
 
2013-06-13 05:16:20 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Carth: What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did?

You're farked.


if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)
 
2013-06-13 05:17:45 PM  

drop: When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug


Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.
 
2013-06-13 05:18:51 PM  

skullkrusher: if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)


No offense, but could you fark off? It's bad enough seeing your bullshiat in the Politics tab.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:16 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: "PS4 Doesn't Allow Online Passes Even From Third-Party Publishers"
- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Even- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


While third-party forms of DRM is still something that publishers can pursue, the Online Pass is not one of them.

From said article.  Don't know why I give a shiat.  I'm leaning towards PS4 primarily because it's cheaper.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:27 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


Because computers never get spyware or hacked and have their webcams remotely activated . . .
 
2013-06-13 05:21:42 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!


Your Xbox360 doesn't become a brick if you decide to disconnect.

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

My computer doesn't become bricked if my internet goes down, I can play all my games in offline mode, and I go online if I choose to. It's my choice. I also don't need the camera on my laptop to work if I want to use it.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

Give it time. You'll see write-ups in newspapers and magazines closer to when the console is released.

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.

I got my NES almost 30 years ago and I can still play all those old games. (Duck Tales is awesome and still kicks my ass.) My SNES gets some action as well. (Chrono Trigger still holds up.) The PS2 came out 13 years ago and I still play those games and likely will for years to come. I have a pretty extensive collection of GBA games that I still enjoy. The idea that I won't want to play a game in 10 years is silly.

I am a lifelong gamer and I have never wanted a console less than I've not wanted the Xbox One. And I'm really enjoying what appears to be Microsoft's condescending attitude towards those who raise reasonable concerns about the new model. It's a real winner and a great PR strategy, because nothing makes me want a console more than being mocked and condescended to about not wanting their console.
 
2013-06-13 05:22:03 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: skullkrusher: if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)

No offense, but could you fark off? It's bad enough seeing your bullshiat in the Politics tab.


gee, maybe my "bullshiat" is spurred by the fact that you whine everywhere you go?
 
2013-06-13 05:22:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?


I think that they're doing streaming downloads so you can play while the game downloads in the background.
 
2013-06-13 05:23:04 PM  
Of course, if you want to download the game 5-10 years down the road and Microsoft has decided to discontinue distribution or updates (see also office, XP, vista, 7), your $50 will be forfeit. You really just lease their products and then are forces to upgrade or stop using them.
 
2013-06-13 05:23:22 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


The Pure PC master race is only fun if you live by yourself or have family members who don't play games. I've got a (future) step-daughter who loves Minecraft and a girlfriend who loves RPGs (namely the Mass Effect series, she's on 2 now). Neither of them like playing on a computer. The console allows me to distract them so I can play whatever I want on my PC.

I like being a part of the master race that doesn't give a shiat what you play on as long as you have fun.
 
2013-06-13 05:24:20 PM  

Tax Boy: scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I think that they're doing streaming downloads so you can play while the game downloads in the background.


I know they've said you can play while a game is installing (from the disc), but they've never said anything about being able to play while downloading.
 
2013-06-13 05:24:36 PM  

drop: Coboc:
So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

Yes.  I have a projector for my home theater, where my 360 and HTPC live.  Making the kinect mandatory means that game devs are going to assume it's there.  How long until games that otherwise would not need any kinect functionality suddenly "require" it (as in, have features that can only be performed via kinect)?

I'm not going to sit and shout at my screen to play games, and standing up or waving your arms in front of the projector presents an obvious hindrance to actual gameplay.

I have no concerns about the little eye spying on me.  When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug.


And that's perfectly reasonable.  I doubt that many titles are going to force Kinect functions down peoples' throats, if only because the devs/publishers probably won't make spending time and money coding for it a priority.  I'm not altogether keen on prnacing around either.  I do see it being a neat, even better, way to interact in certain genres and I'm eager to try it from a media standpoint.
 
2013-06-13 05:25:47 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.

You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.
Microphone functions can be 'paused' but it is always listening--- ostensibly, for the command 'Xbox on', but considering the TOS I just posted, do you really believe that it 'pauses'?


I'm waiting for the shiatstorm when parents buy this thing for the kids, then find out about the always-on-camera pointing at their kids. For once, I want to see the mommies explode in mommyrage. You know damn well the kids know about it, but won't mention it because they want the damn thing.
 
2013-06-13 05:27:19 PM  

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


I love how Gaben is still majestically fat.
 
2013-06-13 05:29:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: horsepocket: scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

Except for the whole article about the BIGGEST BENEFIT OF XBOX ONE IS DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!!!11!! EVERYTHING IS CLOUD BASED!!!!!1111

I know you can bring the disc over and install it, but Microsoft's big push this year is YOU DON'T NEED THE DISC ANYMORE.

And you can't lend him the game if you don't want to sign in. Every single article says you MUST sign in because it is your game linked to your account. They've said next to nothing about the "10 family members" because they have no idea how it's going to work, that was just them trying to get something back after their stupid-ass announcements.

Holy cow, get your actual facts straight before you try to act like a smartass.


So you understand that you can install the game from a disk. You understand that. You also understand that you can remotely lend a game to a friend.

1) Your original complaint was about time to download a game while at a friend's house to play that game. I answered that if you are at his house, you can use the disk to make it faster. Your complaint is now invalid. All MS has done is allowed remote lending, which you couldn't do before, yet you complain that they added a nice feature.

2) You complain now that you have to sign in to use it at his house, but then how does remote lending work? You don't have to sign in at his house if you lend him the game remotely, so why would you have to sign in if you lend it locally? Yes, you have to sign in somewhere to do the lending, but once you have given him access to your library I wouldn't think you'd have to sign in over there again. And no, every single article does not say you must sign in at his house to access your games. It might be one way to access your games if you didn't lend him the game remotely before you went over there, but I'm guessing the whole "lending remotely" thing means you don't have to sign in to play that game.

You are right that they have said next to nothing about the 10 family member thing, probably because they haven't figured out how all of this is going to work.
 
2013-06-13 05:32:42 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Tax Boy: scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I think that they're doing streaming downloads so you can play while the game downloads in the background.

I know they've said you can play while a game is installing (from the disc), but they've never said anything about being able to play while downloading.


I could be wrong. It's not like I have any interest in the xbone whatsoever. I actually feel bad for microsoft.
 
2013-06-13 05:33:17 PM  

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?
 
2013-06-13 05:36:02 PM  

Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?


Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.
 
2013-06-13 05:37:03 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: drop: When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug

Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


Card carrying member since mid 90s.  quadhead, etc.  Some games are just more fun on the huge screen which is why I have an HTPC next to the 360.  Was looking forward to the next Xbox's media integration and features, but this used/borrowed game business and the kinect killed it for me.  Will likely order a PS4 now strictly out of spite.
 
2013-06-13 05:37:35 PM  

Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?


If my power's out, I'm not playing either way...

spurious arguments are spurious.
 
2013-06-13 05:38:09 PM  

Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.


Only if you forgot to stock up on beer.
 
2013-06-13 05:38:30 PM  

horsepocket: Man, there are so many ill-informed people posting on this thread. I'm not a fan of MS or the new stuff they are implementing, but at least understand what you are complaining about.

Dimensio: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account. If you bought a second xb1, it would act exactly the same as your current two computer setup. You sign in with your Live account and have access to all of your games, just like in Steam. You can have family accounts with access to your games to make it even easier. You are complaining about a problem they have already explained doesn't exist.

scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

DanZero: Your image has so many problems I can't begin to refute all of them.

Anyone saying that PS4 is allowing you to do all this stuff, while xb1 is denying it, needs to take note of a few things:

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS ...


Obvious astroturf is obvious.
 
2013-06-13 05:39:56 PM  

Coboc: So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?


Yes.

Carth: Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?


Probably.
 
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