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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com) divider line 457
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2013-06-13 04:20:26 PM  
So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:40 PM  

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


It's also, y'know, free.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:56 PM  

skullkrusher: Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.

ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.


Most likely, yes.  Apologies .
 
2013-06-13 04:21:31 PM  
what the fark is steam?
 
2013-06-13 04:22:03 PM  

skullkrusher: Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.

he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.


I thought I wasn't trolling but just making funnies, seeing as I said 'thus' it should've been apparent I was affecting a character having no relation to my present human form.
I didn't know gaming threads were more serious than those in the Politics tab, I'll keep out in future and stay in the Beiber/Kanye hatefests.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:23 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.


Mom and Pop my ass.  The fact that people are upset that they will no longer have the privilege of carting their outdated physical media to Gamestop to get a $5 credit just so Gamestop can turn around and sell it for $50 amazes me.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:23 PM  

skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.


I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:25 PM  

netweavr: So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.


Microsoft's a bit bigger then those guys, far as I know.

When's the last time Hotmail went down?  I'd reckon there's a couple dozen more simultaneus sign-ins for that then there ever was or will be for the Xbone.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:44 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Carth: . If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season

Regardless of Microsoft's consumer-unfriendly policies, it will still be $100 more than the competing console.

Unless they change that, but how would they do that without going far deeper in the red?


I think it depends on how retailers handle sales. If you can just buy hte console PS4 has a huge advantage. If, like last generation, they require you to buy bundles they can rig the game so Xbox bundles cost $550 and PS4 bundles about the same.

skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it

Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.

I suppose it really is only an issue for real hardcore gamers. Casual players like myself aren't gonna give a shiat if the games are good


That's true. Not many casual players drop $400-$600 on a new console and game or two though so it doesn't matter too much for casual players until the first price drop.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:51 PM  

MrSteve007: skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.

I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.


This.  Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:55 PM  
Just say 'NO' to Xbox One.

If you MUST be a dirty console peasant, buy a WiiU or a PS4.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 04:24:57 PM  

kerouac555: what the fark is steam?


A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."
 
2013-06-13 04:26:21 PM  
 
2013-06-13 04:26:31 PM  

Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.


This

I try new games but always go back to playing my classic arcade games on my PS2.  Actually, all I really need is my PS2 with Activision Anthology and Atari Anthology.

/Uncle Rico
 
2013-06-13 04:26:45 PM  

miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.


They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.
 
2013-06-13 04:28:45 PM  

Two16: skullkrusher: Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.

ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.

Most likely, yes.  Apologies .


no probs. I am an unapologetic Nazi right wing authoritarian libertarian gestapo jackbooted fascist thug. Just not a Romney supporter or an Objectivist
 
2013-06-13 04:29:06 PM  
Microsoft. What we're doing to you:
piq.codeus.net
 
2013-06-13 04:29:09 PM  
Okay, let's get this started.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 04:29:20 PM  

YoOjo: skullkrusher: Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.

he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.

I thought I wasn't trolling but just making funnies, seeing as I said 'thus' it should've been apparent I was affecting a character having no relation to my present human form.
I didn't know gaming threads were more serious than those in the Politics tab, I'll keep out in future and stay in the Beiber/Kanye hatefests.


heh I appreciated it
 
2013-06-13 04:30:01 PM  
Still with my Dreamcast, PS2 and Wii, and no intention to get a new console...probably ever.

Still too many games I've yet to play/complete/replay.

I'll deal with the hisses and pops of my analog devices.
 
2013-06-13 04:30:39 PM  

MrSteve007: skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.

I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.


same here assuming the price is right. Spotifyer myself, though
 
2013-06-13 04:30:43 PM  
Here's the Terms of Service. Feel comfortable with that camera/microphone combination that can't be disconnected or shut off yet?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 04:31:14 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Okay, let's get this started.

[i.imgur.com image 517x663]


I know funny and that's funny
 
2013-06-13 04:31:44 PM  

Coboc: This. Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.


Yep. I still have a grandfathered unlimited plan from Cingular . . . yes, Cingular. But it's nice to stream all the Netflix and Xbox music that I could ever want via an LTE Nokia 920. The 99ms ping & 12 meg down, 8 meg up on my mobile phone is most excellent.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:01 PM  

poot_rootbeer: AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.

So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?


Another part of it is that Microsoft's business culture has become toxic.  The Windows and Office teams routinely exercise a disproportionate and often petty amount of influence against other parts of the company.  For example, you may recall that the Courier tablet was canceled at the last minute because the first version wouldn't support the full version of Office.  In addition, the way that performance reviews are done on a curve that ensures that a certain number of people will get poor reviews no matter how well they actually performed, which creates an incentive not to cooperate with your colleagues.

I might be a good candidate for a software engineering position at Microsoft, but I have no desire to work in that sort of environment.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:42 PM  

netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."


Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since
 
2013-06-13 04:35:04 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.

Because the extension cord doesn't stretch that far?


LOL
 
2013-06-13 04:35:25 PM  

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


Well, that's exactly it, isn't it?

Hell, I don't even care that the camera is always on. If MS really wants to see my junk, I'll set up a Tumblr for them.

But I neither need nor want a Kinect. It does nothing for me. In fact, it's a damned inconvenience because my living room layout has all the consoles on one side of the room and the TV at another, at right angles to the consoles. To get any value out of a Kinect I'd have to rearrange everything and still have something that I don't particularly want to use.

So, the reason I'm not buying an XBOne is because I don't need to pay a surcharge for hardware that does nothing for me.
 
2013-06-13 04:36:08 PM  

MrSteve007: Coboc: This. Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.

Yep. I still have a grandfathered unlimited plan from Cingular . . . yes, Cingular. But it's nice to stream all the Netflix and Xbox music that I could ever want via an LTE Nokia 920. The 99ms ping & 12 meg down, 8 meg up on my mobile phone is most excellent.


same here. I've been an AT&T/Cingular subscriber for over 12 years now and as much as it sucks I don't want to lose my unlimited data plan by switching to Verizon
 
2013-06-13 04:36:39 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


Oh man.  I was gonna say that.  You're quick remus.

+1
 
2013-06-13 04:36:49 PM  
"An error occured cancelling automatic renewal "

(navigates to support, only option is "receive a phone call."  Clicks link)

404.

img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-06-13 04:39:14 PM  
A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.
 
2013-06-13 04:39:51 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Gamers know that they will have access to their Steam games when they upgrade to their next computer. Gamers also know that Steam has an offline mode, meaning that their computer isn't bricked if their internet or Steam goes down. Gamers like the fact that Steam is an option and not mandatory. And they like fact that there are insane sales where you can get 75% to 90% off on some pretty great titles. Finally, gamers know that a PC is different from a console. Gamers have different expectations for a PC than a console.

The Xbox formula is NOT an exact copy of the Steam model. That's like saying the CBS show Elementary is an exact copy of BBC's Sherlock. It is a different, and quite frankly inferior model than Steam, and gamers know that. They have certain expectations for consoles and the Xbox is not meeting those expectations, nor is Microsoft making the case for gamers to change those expectations.

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between Steam and the Xbox model either doesn't know much about the differences or is being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-06-13 04:40:46 PM  

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.
Microphone functions can be 'paused' but it is always listening--- ostensibly, for the command 'Xbox on', but considering the TOS I just posted, do you really believe that it 'pauses'?
 
2013-06-13 04:40:57 PM  

Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.


Don't you mean "masochists"? Sadists love to punish people with whips and candles, masochists love to be punished with whips and candles.

/please don't ask me how I know this
 
2013-06-13 04:42:43 PM  

Coboc: I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.


This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:27 PM  
Used games:
See those $10 chunks of crap on the shelf that 90% of which you don't want to play?  Well each one represents lost $$$ for the publisher.  PS4 users better get ready for a surprise.  You're going to see one or MORE of the following:
1.  "multiplayer tokens" or other such publisher driven methods to restrict resales.
2.  Game keys
3.  Increased prices on non restricted games
4.  Games simply not being published for that platform.

One way or the other you're getting the shaft so don't try to get all high and mighty about some competing product.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:27 PM  

King Something: Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.

Don't you mean "masochists"? Sadists love to punish people with whips and candles, masochists love to be punished with whips and candles.

/please don't ask me how I know this


I'll defer to your expertise.
 
2013-06-13 04:44:33 PM  

thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since


Early 2000s, mid-2000s was when it start to take off in popularity.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:06 PM  

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


If you want to be paranoid I would recommend duct tape. That said, if you own a laptop, tablet or phone with a camera you are just being silly.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:07 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.


Wait... really!? As in you can't use the Kinect functionality (which is obvious), or that you can't use the XBOne at all? If it's the latter then it's actually significantly more defective than I thought.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:09 PM  

Aarontology: MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?

It helps with load times.


If the Dev writes the code to be optimized that way.  Some don't and it can actually take longer because the initial design was to load to the HDD from the DVD(Halo 3 had that problem, you had to write from HDD to HDD the way it cached, so it actually lengthened load times[negligible imo, but some claimed it was a pain in the ass]).


Also, and this is the big part:

CD drives have always been a weak point in the PC format, they are made cheap and have the poorest life expectancy of most other (modern, similar non-sealed mechanical devices were all prone to problems/breakage) components to a digital system(except, apparently, the 360 itself, which had the same problem, being made cheaply).  All those moving (weak)parts in a non sealed container and using light to read the information.  Dust in combination with cheap innards and these things will usually be the first things to fail.

Installing to HDD will help avoid that problem, save wear and tear on the drive.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:24 PM  
Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong:
You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.


Source?  I know it can't be unplugged, but who said it has to actually be able to "detect a person?"

Relevant:
distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com
 
2013-06-13 04:46:22 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: Used games:
See those $10 chunks of crap on the shelf that 90% of which you don't want to play?  Well each one represents lost $$$ for the publisher.  PS4 users better get ready for a surprise.  You're going to see one or MORE of the following:
1.  "multiplayer tokens" or other such publisher driven methods to restrict resales.
2.  Game keys
3.  Increased prices on non restricted games
4.  Games simply not being published for that platform.

One way or the other you're getting the shaft so don't try to get all high and mighty about some competing product.


Stop right there.
Because you're wrong.

The old 'HURR the Xbone isn't so bad because Sony will do worse' deflection isn't going to work here.
 
2013-06-13 04:46:43 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.


And even then, they never said it (or your console) would function when obscured. I wouldn't be surprised if you see an error pop up saying "Kinect sensor is blocked" if you try it.
 
2013-06-13 04:47:14 PM  
So, to point out a glaring flaw in this article

"Amazon basically says they are on path to sell out ... . Amazon is saying it's one of their best-selling consumer products. We're seeing the same thing from other retailers."

amazon is doing a FREE preorder. No $$ down. Gamestop isn't. it's a 100$! so, I highly doubt that amazon pre-order metric is worth a damn.
 
2013-06-13 04:47:19 PM  
Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html
 
2013-06-13 04:47:50 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.


www.goldismoney2.com
I think all console gamers should therefore buy the Xbox,  Think of all the bandwidth the Master Race could then harvest and exploit.  EXCELLENT.
 
2013-06-13 04:49:04 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


Play one game on one computer and a different game on the other without tricking one or both in remaining offline.
 
wee
2013-06-13 04:49:41 PM  
Microsoft can eat a dick.
 
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