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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com) divider line 457
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2013-06-13 03:52:37 PM

skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon


Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.
 
2013-06-13 03:52:56 PM
Looks like I'm finally going to have my first Playstation system. The -*only*- way I will buy a system under the new xbox model is if I only have to trade a "license" for the money in exchange for a "license" for the game. Similar to how the game retains no resale value to me, the money retains no spending value to them.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:04 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.


when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:07 PM

Carth: . If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season


Regardless of Microsoft's consumer-unfriendly policies, it will still be $100 more than the competing console.

Unless they change that, but how would they do that without going far deeper in the red?
 
2013-06-13 03:53:20 PM

netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.


I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:06 PM

ZeroPly: Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.

While cleaning up my archives last month, I came across the Descent 2 CD. Could not resist - got it loaded and played for about 20 hours. Good times.


Ah, nostalgia.

I remember wanting that game so badly in the 90's. One day I was in an office depot with my dad and I saw FreeSpace for sale with a free copy of Descent 2 for $10. Had never heard of FreeSpace but hey, Descent 2 for ten bucks!

Turned out I liked FreeSpace much more, and is to this day one of the greatest games I've ever played.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:14 PM

Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.


ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:50 PM

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Well since Sony will inevitably to something to fark this up, like tie up half the processing power with DRM or build the console with the worst quality components they could find so that almost every console they release will fail within the first six months, you might have a pretty good theory there.
 
2013-06-13 03:55:06 PM

AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.


So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?
 
2013-06-13 03:55:16 PM

Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.


no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book
 
2013-06-13 03:55:33 PM
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2013-06-13 03:56:18 PM

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


That's not true, most of the games I've purchased via XBL have been on sale.

Plus, the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.
 
2013-06-13 03:57:03 PM

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


So the comparison is Steam-gamers directly to the XBox  not PC-gamers in general to the XBox?
 
2013-06-13 03:58:34 PM

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


I can see where Steam or other digital delivery systems would be a super pain in the ass if you had a spotty internet connection.  But steam still lets you buy a boxed game and associate it with your account and then manage through steam if you want.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:36 PM
I just thank Visnu "Xtreme!!" is no longer a buzz word.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:55 PM

magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?


Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:55 PM
Xbox will get some rich casuals interesting in replacing their BD player, 360 and set-top box who have never heard of E3. PS4 will get the hardcore console gamers. Everyone else will stick with the 360/Wii U/PC.

Sony's lawyers always screw up a good thing. Not quite sure how they are going to do it... but it's coming and it will be worse then Xbox One.
 
2013-06-13 03:59:35 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]


I do not understand this pic, but I love it.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.


Unlike the current physical model, where retailers go to jail for charging anything other than $59.99 for a game.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:37 PM
Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

It isn't so hard to explain. There are a number of benefits and drawbacks associated with digital delivery. Some benefits are for the company, such as no actual physical product to deliver. Some drawbacks are for the company, such as users demanding to use their purchased products on more than one computer (though not at the same time). Some drawbacks are for the company, such as having a harder time explaining why a digital download is worth $60, even four years after a game's release. Some drawbacks are for the consumer, such as having no property rights to a purchase.

With Steam, Valve has balanced their enormous benefit of digital distribution by going out of their way to provide as many benefits to the customer as possible. Sales are common, with midweek madness dropping even relatively new games to 50% off and older titles are often available for a song. They've even worked hard on providing the advantages of physical ownership, allowing the game to be tied to one account, rather than one physical platform. Migrating your game to a new hard drive or new computer is as simple as installing Steam and logging in. Plus, if for some reason you bounce between multiple computers, everything works as expected. In short, Steam has repaid the trust consumers have given them in holding licenses rather than physical copies and done so in such a way as to gather many admirers. Many gamers now prefer Steam copies to physical copies or digital copies acquired through other such services.

Microsoft is using their perceived dominance to gain all the benefits of digital distribution, but granting few, if any, of those benefits to the consumer. While prices may eventually shift to reflect aging games, there are no hints of anything as wildly impressive as Valve's pricing. Further, Microsoft is continuing its tradition of erroring on the side of the consumer as an assumed thief and enforcing more draconian DRM.

Rather than work like Valve, whose stance is usually, "yes you can" or "we'll try". Their default stance is "our hardware, our rules, suck it".  This is what you are seeing.

tl;dr - gamers trust Valve. Microsoft? Not so much.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:57 PM
I don't have any problem with the Xbox One having digital titles tied to a gamer account. I've been using steam for years and it works well.  As long as they have good sales and you can get access to the full library of xbox one games, AND they have price reductions and sales like Steam does, it's a good business model.

However, any game purchased as a physical disc, should be fully sharable. If I buy the disc for game A, my friend should be able to borrow that game and play it from the disc without any extra fees.

Here's what I think would be a good solution. Have the disc, play on any box under any game. Buy it digitally, and you can only use it on your account. To offset this difference in value, the digital version should be less expensive.

What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:01 PM
I enjoy the social benefits of eating only free range digital.
It matters where the digital comes from.  Same reason I don't eat Hex Mix, Choco Bytes, Frequency Shift Krunchies or any of that other military industrial complex transnational corp sweatshop digital crap.  The yolks are always a little fluffier that way.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:56 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]


That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.
 
2013-06-13 04:05:49 PM

skullkrusher: Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.

when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.


I use Gamefly. I average about 1 game a month if I get it to 100% complete (well, minus DLCs cuz I'm not buying those) so at $18 a month I'm spending $180 plus $50 for PS+ (love the free games) for a total of $230 a year on gaming. I do put new releases up top on the queue and sometimes I get lucky and get them within first month of release but I usually play games 6-12 months after release and I'm ok with that.
 
2013-06-13 04:06:59 PM
As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer
 
2013-06-13 04:08:44 PM

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


Same here. Something about it.
 
2013-06-13 04:08:56 PM

Twigz221: What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.


Here's my question: Let's say all the yelling and feet stomping actually amount to something that affects the bottom line so drastically that they actually decide they give a shiat. Unlikely, but possible. Could they even change it if they wanted to?
 
2013-06-13 04:09:24 PM

ddam: skullkrusher: Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.

when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.

I use Gamefly. I average about 1 game a month if I get it to 100% complete (well, minus DLCs cuz I'm not buying those) so at $18 a month I'm spending $180 plus $50 for PS+ (love the free games) for a total of $230 a year on gaming. I do put new releases up top on the queue and sometimes I get lucky and get them within first month of release but I usually play games 6-12 months after release and I'm ok with that.


I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.
 
2013-06-13 04:09:57 PM
I'm going to preorder my Xbone with my next paycheck, and I know a bunch of people that have already or plan to aswell.  Buying a PS4, where the selling point is litterally "We're doing what MS did eight years ago!" isn't alluring to me.  It's prettier, sure, but there's nothing really innovative, which is something I kinda like in a next-gen anything.

I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.  I get that some people are desperately tied to their used/pirated games and somehow consider themselves customers of the devs and publishers.  I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right?  They don't have to be on the same box?  They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)  So keep on keepin' on haters, your butthurt is wearing thin, but for now I'm still amused by it.
 
2013-06-13 04:10:29 PM

Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.


he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.
 
2013-06-13 04:10:37 PM

skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book


Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:11 PM

Coboc: I'm going to preorder my Xbone with my next paycheck, and I know a bunch of people that have already or plan to aswell.  Buying a PS4, where the selling point is litterally "We're doing what MS did eight years ago!" isn't alluring to me.  It's prettier, sure, but there's nothing really innovative, which is something I kinda like in a next-gen anything.


You are correct. Sony's strategy of employing successful techniques employed by Microsoft eight years ago, instead of the hated and derided techniques that Microsoft is employing now, will cost them many sales.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:29 PM
New NSA requirement?
 
2013-06-13 04:13:39 PM

Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book

Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.


well that makes a whole buncha sense then
 
2013-06-13 04:14:01 PM

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


If you have to ask, then you're a dirty console peasant.

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.
 
2013-06-13 04:14:01 PM
Disappoint that The Last of Us isn't coming to XBox. Not enough to get a Playstation, though.
 
2013-06-13 04:14:41 PM

Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading

(You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.
 
2013-06-13 04:16:03 PM

DssDevl: As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer


Know a few people that will be doing the same.  They've never owned a Sony system before, but are willing to dump Xbox for something still a bit unknown, but with a more user friendly tone.  Unless Xbox makes some serious changes they will start to lose the gains they've made over the years.

I have a PS3, and an Xbox 360, but prefer the PS3 for online gaming.  More friends on the PS3 than Xbox is the main reason.  Have an old Wii, but haven't touched it in quite a while.  Not much of a Nintendo guy.
 
2013-06-13 04:16:25 PM
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2013-06-13 04:16:38 PM

Twigz221: I don't have any problem with the Xbox One having digital titles tied to a gamer account. I've been using steam for years and it works well.  As long as they have good sales and you can get access to the full library of xbox one games, AND they have price reductions and sales like Steam does, it's a good business model.

However, any game purchased as a physical disc, should be fully sharable. If I buy the disc for game A, my friend should be able to borrow that game and play it from the disc without any extra fees.

Here's what I think would be a good solution. Have the disc, play on any box under any game. Buy it digitally, and you can only use it on your account. To offset this difference in value, the digital version should be less expensive.

What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.


This is a rational criticism of the XBox One that I agree with.  The call home ping is insulting and could lead to loss of functionality.  I think that other features make up for this but it's still a major slap in the face to customers. Like I've said before in other Xbox One biatchfests, I don't really care all that much I'm going to buy one of each console and use all of them anyway. I'll deal with the good and the bad of each and whichever one performs better will become my primary living room device. Last gen it was the 360 and the PS3 was relegated to exclusives only.  This gen it may be the other way around.
 
2013-06-13 04:17:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


The PC Master Race doesn't have genders, we only have gamers
 
2013-06-13 04:18:34 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.

If you have to ask, then you're a dirty console peasant.

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.


Noooooooooooooooooo!
 
2013-06-13 04:19:02 PM
I think this needs to be known everywhere. But then it will be fun to have a friend buy one. Try to imitate their voice as best as possible and say words like porn, man on man love, heroin and other words over and over that might be embarrassing or even vindictive depending on your friendship status. Just to have it know what your friend likes..or the NSA
Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.

AND another thing many in the Military are X-Box fans and many won't be able to play due to no internet connectivity, region status or country where the damn thing wont work. PLEASE guys its not too late to fix this before launch! ( I think )
 
2013-06-13 04:19:22 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.


Because the extension cord doesn't stretch that far?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: boarch: scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.

I don't think you understand cloud computing.

Based on reports, all Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive. This can either be accomplished by installing from the disc, or downloading it. Now some of them say you'll be able to play while installing, but none of them specifiy if you can do this while downloading (which I doubt).


Won't be a problem for me as I won't buy the fraking thing.

/Hey Sony, how YOU been?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:27 PM
Oh also, is this the thread where I can biatch that they didn't port Gears of War sequels to PC?  Serious what's wrong with you?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.
 
2013-06-13 04:19:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.

/my hardcore gaming is saved for my PC anyway
//Also, FORZA.
 
2013-06-13 04:19:54 PM
 OOHHH You meant biggest advantage for GAMERS!!! Ha, I thought you meant the biggest advantage for US.

Are they trying to  become a parody of themselves be reenforcing every negative stereotype about Micro$oft?
That company really is in it's own little clueless world.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:03 PM
Who cares when Company of Heroes 2, made by the best RTS developer of ALL TIME, RELIC, releases on the 25th?
 
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