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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   (cnn.com) divider line 457
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2013-06-13 03:36:22 PM  
Slow news day? It's odd to see this on main page.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:24 PM  
Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:29 PM  

you are a puppet: On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.


Rez HD was released on XBLA several years ago; it's a great upgrade to an already fantastic game. Too bad it won't work on the XBox One.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:40 PM  
Did you see the story about big breasts on the sidebar?

Waaay better
 
2013-06-13 03:37:09 PM  

nburghmatt: i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.



www.masters.me.uk

/yeah I had this one.
//and several others too.
///lawn, get off it, etc...
 
2013-06-13 03:37:21 PM  

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!
 
2013-06-13 03:37:33 PM  

ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.

Worked for the original Wii.


Well, if that's who they're aiming for that's fine...it also means they just tapped out to the PS4.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:22 PM  
 
2013-06-13 03:38:34 PM  

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:48 PM  
"Here we go. Just let it happen. It'll be over soon."
 
2013-06-13 03:38:51 PM  

Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.


I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!
 
2013-06-13 03:39:07 PM  
You have to appreciate the honesty when asked about people who want to play offline, the response was "we have a product like that, it is called the XBOX 360".

How this guy still has a job, I have no idea.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:19 PM  

The_Fuzz: [s3-ak.buzzfeed.com image 605x720]

Rock wins.


Wait until you see how it stacks up against paper?
 
2013-06-13 03:39:26 PM  
Anything that causes discomfort and loss of business for GameStop I'm down with.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:30 PM  
The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

www.computerhistory.org
 
2013-06-13 03:39:35 PM  

Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!


why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?
 
2013-06-13 03:39:58 PM  
As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:07 PM  

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:16 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo
 
2013-06-13 03:40:19 PM  

Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.


I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:39 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

[www.computerhistory.org image 570x380]


I thought that was the Jaguar CD?
 
2013-06-13 03:40:41 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:52 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


can I ask why?
 
2013-06-13 03:41:24 PM  

skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?


Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.
 
2013-06-13 03:41:34 PM  
PS4:
www.let.rug.nl
 
2013-06-13 03:41:50 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.


Oh hush.
 
2013-06-13 03:42:06 PM  

Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.


but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it
 
2013-06-13 03:42:54 PM  

xsarien: you are a puppet: On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.

Rez HD was released on XBLA several years ago; it's a great upgrade to an already fantastic game. Too bad it won't work on the XBox One.


Yeah I realized later I was thinking of Ico.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:04 PM  

Dimensio: I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.


[sigh] that does appear to be the solution. too bad. been an xbox guy going way back. i guess i'll stick to the 360 until the new games don't come out on it anymore.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:28 PM  

solaufein: HotWingConspiracy: But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.

Hell, Apple's been trying to move away from physical media for quite a while now.  First floppies and now optical drives.  I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.  While there is a definite shift away from physical media, I don't think we're there yet.


Netflix figured that out last year when they tried to dump their mail order DVD business.
Until EVERYTHING is online, we need physical media for the stuff that isn't.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:34 PM  

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


Poseur. I have it on wax cylinder.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:15 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


I think the key difference between steam and xbone is that steam won its customers over with $5 games and such, whereas the bone will never do that. I remember the anger over steam initially, but valve held up its normal quality. The term Microsoft quality scares people
 
2013-06-13 03:44:29 PM  
Does this mean the PS4 will be a steam punk hand crank punch card gaming machine of awesome?!
 
2013-06-13 03:44:32 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


So pretty much exactly like how this would work if you had two Xbox Ones?
 
2013-06-13 03:44:40 PM  
Finally we're gettin' more digital with our games. They've been reducing the amount of digital for years and nobody's said anything.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:42 PM  

skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?


Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:53 PM  

eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?


90 minute Maxell cassettes. But only if you break the tabs off first.
 
2013-06-13 03:45:08 PM  

chitlenz: Wow...

It's not looking good, and as a .NET developer that kind of sucks.  It's like the worst parts of Apple with none of the cool design.  First they screwed up WPF/Silverlight, then Windows 8 was/is a trainwreck, then they released the Surface (which I still haven't once seen anyone using... do they really exist?), and now this.

What's happened is that MS stopped promoting idea people and started letting Marketing run the company.  They have a nice solid business desktop advantage, but they are mistaken if they think they can hold onto it for long with all this shiat going on.  Mark my words, all those restrictions and crap will lose them a LOT of devs, and no software = fail.


The new MAC Pro does have a cool design.
 
2013-06-13 03:45:53 PM  

eddievercetti: Lt. Cheese Weasel: As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.

Oh hush.


archive.4plebs.org
 
2013-06-13 03:46:10 PM  

skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it


Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.
 
2013-06-13 03:46:47 PM  

chitlenz: CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.

The latest newfangled Edison Cylinder....


That is a thing of beauty.
 
2013-06-13 03:47:24 PM  

boarch: scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.

I don't think you understand cloud computing.


Based on reports, all Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive. This can either be accomplished by installing from the disc, or downloading it. Now some of them say you'll be able to play while installing, but none of them specifiy if you can do this while downloading (which I doubt).
 
2013-06-13 03:48:07 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


I love Steam.  When it first came out I was apprehensive but now I don't buy any games that aren't digital.  I buy stuff 50-75% off during the big sales install one or two for immediate playing then I'm good for 6 months til the next sale.  With FIOS I don't even bat an eye at downloading big games.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:42 PM  

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I can still play my games when Steam launches in Offline Mode.

/which is most of the time, because my wifi is unreliable.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:48 PM  

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


Microsoft has been hosting time limited deep discount sales for months now. They aren't quite as cheap or ubiqutous as steam sales but they have been moving in that direction since Q4 2012.  They have also had older digital games for $5 or $10 since they started offering non XBLA titles for digital distribution.
 
2013-06-13 03:49:10 PM  
MS has gone off the rails lately, for sure.  Big fan of Win7 and even of Win8phone.  Hate Win8Desktop.  Been lovehate with my 360 since the UI update that replaced the blades with the... ads.  PC gamer also.

I've stopped buying games on live and steam (except the el-cheapo $1 - $10 steam sales) after running headlong into the "no refunds" brick wall at both, which is a real pain when coupled with the "no trades" and "no reselling" walls.  Back to disks I went.  MS trying to do the same thing with disks is insane.  What they *should* be doing is all the things PSN and Steam do right, and then do things right that those two do wrong as well.

Like, you know, allowing users to trade *ownership* of their precious digital games without taking a fee, asking the publisher, or even *telling* the publisher.  Having all the games stored in the "cloud" should make this terribly easy to implement and the transfer would be instant.

But they're so busy listening to consumers and putting them first that they aren't going to do this.

And so, goodbye live account, hello ps4 preorder.
 
2013-06-13 03:50:17 PM  
skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:17 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:33 PM  

Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it

Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.


I suppose it really is only an issue for real hardcore gamers. Casual players like myself aren't gonna give a shiat if the games are good
 
2013-06-13 03:52:08 PM  
This gentleman is currently loading the latest version of Final Fantasy onto his analog PS4:

www.arts.tas.gov.au
 
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