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2013-06-13 01:28:53 PM
I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.
 
2013-06-13 01:35:45 PM

Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.


Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.
 
2013-06-13 01:39:26 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.


Worked for the original Wii.
 
2013-06-13 01:51:45 PM
On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.
 
2013-06-13 01:58:19 PM
that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.
 
2013-06-13 02:10:06 PM
Digital is a buzzword used by marketeers.

/Romero reporting
 
2013-06-13 02:13:13 PM
But is it Hi Fi?
 
2013-06-13 02:13:36 PM

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


I always suspected you were a hipster.
 
2013-06-13 02:19:39 PM
And the cost of 'downloaded' games will now be 50% higher due to a new 'convenience fee'.
 
2013-06-13 02:20:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I always suspected you were a hipster.


I also only drink the Mexican Nuka Cola with the real cane sugar!
 
2013-06-13 02:26:59 PM
The Wii, WiiU, Xbox360, Xbox One, PS3, and PS4 give users the ability to purchase and download games. The fact that only one of those systems is sending a hearty vaffanculo to physical media owners is an advantage how exactly?
 
2013-06-13 02:27:12 PM
"It's digital"

oi43.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-13 02:36:34 PM
Does it have electrolytes?
 
2013-06-13 02:37:09 PM
"As you go into a digital world, what's happening is publishers are choosing to have different business models and consumers are saying 'Hey, if I can't resell the title, provide me a different way to get value to get into your game.' And we think the market will be efficient in finding good models that work for consumers."

Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.
 
2013-06-13 02:41:17 PM
I prefer my video games in punch card format.
 
2013-06-13 02:41:56 PM
Yes, but is it made made by Germans? Because Germans always make good stuff.
 
2013-06-13 02:44:56 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 02:49:36 PM
I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?
 
2013-06-13 02:49:49 PM
Digital just like UFIA.
 
2013-06-13 02:50:43 PM

MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?


It helps with load times.
 
2013-06-13 02:51:34 PM

MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?


It can load textures and levels faster, in some cases.
 
2013-06-13 02:57:58 PM

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


www.radiohannibal.com

"See this system here? This is Hi-Fi... high fidelity. What that means is that it's the highest quality fidelity".
 
2013-06-13 03:02:10 PM

calbert: remus: But is it Hi Fi?

[www.radiohannibal.com image 470x182]

"See this system here? This is Hi-Fi... high fidelity. What that means is that it's the highest quality fidelity".


is that the TK421?
 
2013-06-13 03:11:17 PM

Aarontology: Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I always suspected you were a hipster.

I also only drink the Mexican Nuka Cola with the real cane sugar!


Well that's only sensible, isn't it?
 
2013-06-13 03:13:52 PM
"I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

"we've seen the data, the world is full of morons and we're going to keep spoon-feeding them sh*t and getting paid for the privilege."
 
2013-06-13 03:16:01 PM
But can it play Quake?

/then go home
 
2013-06-13 03:17:01 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?


That's for plants dummy.
 
2013-06-13 03:17:11 PM
"This all gets unlocked because of digital."

What a farking tool. What does he think "digital" means?
 
2013-06-13 03:17:15 PM
PC > *
 
2013-06-13 03:17:46 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I prefer my video games in punch card format.


That lacks the warmth and gentile hiss of cassette drive loaded gaming.
 
2013-06-13 03:18:04 PM
I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.
 
2013-06-13 03:18:13 PM
My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.
 
2013-06-13 03:18:37 PM
It's like Microsoft is purposely doing the complete opposite of everything they should be. Like they said "man, I want to f*ck our company into the ground this generation"


/current 360 user
//PS4 here I come
/Microsoft: take your surveillance device and shove it up your asses
 
2013-06-13 03:19:07 PM
I read this article earlier and I'm still laughing about it.
Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.
 
2013-06-13 03:19:18 PM
Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?
 
2013-06-13 03:19:22 PM
I only use the finest, artisanal gaming systems.
 
2013-06-13 03:19:42 PM
Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.
 
2013-06-13 03:19:47 PM
I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon
 
2013-06-13 03:19:50 PM
It does the cloud too!  Always mention the cloud.
 
2013-06-13 03:20:10 PM
Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4

FTFY subby, you really didn't have to say much else.
 
2013-06-13 03:20:53 PM

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Are the books and crosswords puzzles video game themed? I am having a hard time understanding what you're saying.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:16 PM
On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:34 PM
Those digital "benefits" will be available at launch, but Mehdi hinted that the digital rights management transition might unlock some more interesting game access and distribution methods later on.

Let me stop you right there, Meh.  DRM is the opposite of unlocking.  By its very definition, it locks and restricts the use of digital content.  Digital content distributes just fine without DRM.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:40 PM

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Trying to "New Coke" a console would be the stupidest, most tone-deaf thing Microsoft could possibly...wait, yep. I bet you're right.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:46 PM

fastfxr: Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.


My guess is that they've seen what Apple and Google have done with their stores.  Now they want a piece of that action.  Only problem?  Smart Phone/Tablet "apps" /= Console games.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:51 PM
So is my watch.

images.bidorbuy.co.za

Suck it, Rolex.
 
2013-06-13 03:22:21 PM
Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck
 
2013-06-13 03:22:47 PM

thomps: "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

"we've seen the data, the world is full of morons and we're going to keep spoon-feeding them sh*t and getting paid for the privilege."


That's where the profits are.
 
2013-06-13 03:22:54 PM
I like my coffee the way I like my XBox games: digital.

1111101000 . ^V101 1^Z0001
 
2013-06-13 03:23:18 PM
maybe it's 100% organic digital?
 
2013-06-13 03:23:46 PM
Well...looks like ill be buying a PS4...
 
2013-06-13 03:23:49 PM

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


I heard they will be using Dubly to get the proper sound mix.  Also the tubes in the current Xbox are a biatch to swap out.  I hope they got the newer transistors, and a better tube system.

/won't be buying one
 
2013-06-13 03:24:11 PM

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?
 
2013-06-13 03:24:15 PM
Eh. Sony already walked back their "No DRM" announcement. And physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.
 
2013-06-13 03:24:16 PM

Rapmaster2000: It does the cloud too!  Always mention the cloud.


Not just the cloud -- the digital cloud.
 
2013-06-13 03:24:38 PM

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Sex must seem like a chore to you.  Oh who am I kidding, like this guy has any interest in something as base and unintillectual like sex.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:04 PM

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:21 PM

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.

Maybe the execs are looking to buy up absurdly cheap MS stocks when they bottom out.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:23 PM

Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.


While cleaning up my archives last month, I came across the Descent 2 CD. Could not resist - got it loaded and played for about 20 hours. Good times.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:23 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Yeah I honestly can't explain that.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:24 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


Hayters gonna Hayt.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:50 PM
HotWingConspiracy: ...physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.

While I don't disagree with you, I think we most likely differ on the time frame for that to occur.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:56 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh
 
2013-06-13 03:26:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


I don't think you understand cloud computing.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:10 PM
Wow...

It's not looking good, and as a .NET developer that kind of sucks.  It's like the worst parts of Apple with none of the cool design.  First they screwed up WPF/Silverlight, then Windows 8 was/is a trainwreck, then they released the Surface (which I still haven't once seen anyone using... do they really exist?), and now this.

What's happened is that MS stopped promoting idea people and started letting Marketing run the company.  They have a nice solid business desktop advantage, but they are mistaken if they think they can hold onto it for long with all this shiat going on.  Mark my words, all those restrictions and crap will lose them a LOT of devs, and no software = fail.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:10 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.


I think e-books are working just fine for my libary.  I rent myself up several e-books and audio books a month through them.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:15 PM

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:35 PM
i232.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 03:27:37 PM
PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.
 
2013-06-13 03:27:46 PM
Digital is better for business models centered around rent-seeking behavior. It's not so good for anything else.
 
2013-06-13 03:27:58 PM

solaufein: HotWingConspiracy: ...physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.

While I don't disagree with you, I think we most likely differ on the time frame for that to occur.


Yeah I can see where they might be jumping the gun. But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.
 
2013-06-13 03:28:12 PM
s3-ak.buzzfeed.com

Rock wins.
 
2013-06-13 03:29:15 PM

LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.


Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?
 
2013-06-13 03:29:34 PM

Surool: Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.

I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.


 Dude, did you miss the PS3 launch?
 
2013-06-13 03:29:53 PM

chewielouie:


I lol'd
 
2013-06-13 03:30:00 PM
Just look at how badly Redbox is doing with so much competition from digital distributors.

My son can play any game from his account that we have installed on the 360 to my account. Thank you Microsoft for making it so I can now have to purchase a separate license. Oh, but now I can lend it to him one time.

Thank you sir. May I have another digital benefit?
 
2013-06-13 03:30:05 PM

skullkrusher: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck

honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh


On the one hand I can completely understand this on the other a lot opf the people who are upset about this are posting their opining about it from a laptop, tablet or smartphone with a backwards facing camera built in.
 
2013-06-13 03:30:14 PM

CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.


try gaming on tape drives, it's awesome!
 
2013-06-13 03:30:26 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?


does it contain sodiumbenzoaite ?
 
2013-06-13 03:30:43 PM
At this point, I believe that Microsoft seems to be down and in need of an ambulance.

/Wii-U Wii-U Wii-U Wii-U...
 
2013-06-13 03:30:45 PM

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-13 03:31:41 PM
i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.
 
2013-06-13 03:31:41 PM

YoOjo: LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.

Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?


Ico! That's what I meant. I typed Rez in my post.
 
2013-06-13 03:31:42 PM

maltedmothball: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?

does it contain sodiumbenzoaite ?


That's good?
 
2013-06-13 03:32:29 PM

Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.


Lets not kid ourselves people. Sony WILL find ways to piss off their customers. Count on it, it's the only thing they're consistently good at.

That said, they'd have to do something seriously horrid to get down to MS's current standard. I don't even think another month of PSN downtime would do the job.

/If I get into this console generation I'll probably be going PS4. It's not certain because my PS3 is still going strong and there's a big backlog of games for me to play.
 
2013-06-13 03:32:51 PM

Egoy3k: skullkrusher: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck

honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

On the one hand I can completely understand this on the other a lot opf the people who are upset about this are posting their opining about it from a laptop, tablet or smartphone with a backwards facing camera built in.


that isn't always on though - the kinect cam is, isn't it?
 
2013-06-13 03:32:55 PM

CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.


The latest newfangled Edison Cylinder....
 
2013-06-13 03:33:15 PM
Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.
 
2013-06-13 03:33:38 PM

HotWingConspiracy: But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.


Hell, Apple's been trying to move away from physical media for quite a while now.  First floppies and now optical drives.  I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.  While there is a definite shift away from physical media, I don't think we're there yet.
 
2013-06-13 03:33:50 PM

you are a puppet: YoOjo: LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.

Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?

Ico! That's what I meant. I typed Rez in my post.


I'd forgotten how much I loved that game, like totally immersed in it loving it... then I saw Vanishing Waves a few nights ago and one character was playing it and I was right back there.
Made my skin tingle.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:10 PM
Why is this so hard to understand?  Digital means binary, which is 0's and 1's.  We all know this.  So the Xbox 1 is clearly digital while the PS4 is clearly not.  And don't even get me started on the Wii, those aren't even numbers.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:33 PM
I'm pretty sure it also has tubes while the PS4 is still using dump trucks.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:43 PM
PS4:

static.giantbomb.com

Wii U:

theawesomer.com

xbone:

fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net
 
Bf+
2013-06-13 03:34:49 PM
"This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Translation:  Stupid idiots.  We just need to convince them their wrong.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:50 PM

eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?


Everything looks better on Laserdisc!!!
 
2013-06-13 03:34:54 PM

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.
 
2013-06-13 03:35:03 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 03:35:07 PM

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


Something like this would likely happen.


/fark seriously needs to increase the size limits for .gifs
 
2013-06-13 03:35:49 PM

Flappyhead: Surool: Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.

I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.

 Dude, did you miss the PS3 launch?


Good point. When MS can screw up a product launch worse than the PS3, you can easily believe this was intentional.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:21 PM

sid244: eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?

Everything looks better on Laserdisc!!!


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-13 03:36:22 PM
Slow news day? It's odd to see this on main page.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:24 PM
Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:29 PM

you are a puppet: On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.


Rez HD was released on XBLA several years ago; it's a great upgrade to an already fantastic game. Too bad it won't work on the XBox One.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:40 PM
Did you see the story about big breasts on the sidebar?

Waaay better
 
2013-06-13 03:37:09 PM

nburghmatt: i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.



www.masters.me.uk

/yeah I had this one.
//and several others too.
///lawn, get off it, etc...
 
2013-06-13 03:37:21 PM

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!
 
2013-06-13 03:37:33 PM

ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.

Worked for the original Wii.


Well, if that's who they're aiming for that's fine...it also means they just tapped out to the PS4.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:22 PM
 
2013-06-13 03:38:34 PM

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:48 PM
"Here we go. Just let it happen. It'll be over soon."
 
2013-06-13 03:38:51 PM

Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.


I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!
 
2013-06-13 03:39:07 PM
You have to appreciate the honesty when asked about people who want to play offline, the response was "we have a product like that, it is called the XBOX 360".

How this guy still has a job, I have no idea.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:19 PM

The_Fuzz: [s3-ak.buzzfeed.com image 605x720]

Rock wins.


Wait until you see how it stacks up against paper?
 
2013-06-13 03:39:26 PM
Anything that causes discomfort and loss of business for GameStop I'm down with.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:30 PM
The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

www.computerhistory.org
 
2013-06-13 03:39:35 PM

Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!


why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?
 
2013-06-13 03:39:58 PM
As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:07 PM

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:16 PM

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo
 
2013-06-13 03:40:19 PM

Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.


I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:39 PM

rufus-t-firefly: The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

[www.computerhistory.org image 570x380]


I thought that was the Jaguar CD?
 
2013-06-13 03:40:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:52 PM

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


can I ask why?
 
2013-06-13 03:41:24 PM

skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?


Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.
 
2013-06-13 03:41:34 PM
PS4:
www.let.rug.nl
 
2013-06-13 03:41:50 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.


Oh hush.
 
2013-06-13 03:42:06 PM

Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.


but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it
 
2013-06-13 03:42:54 PM

xsarien: you are a puppet: On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.

Rez HD was released on XBLA several years ago; it's a great upgrade to an already fantastic game. Too bad it won't work on the XBox One.


Yeah I realized later I was thinking of Ico.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:04 PM

Dimensio: I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.


[sigh] that does appear to be the solution. too bad. been an xbox guy going way back. i guess i'll stick to the 360 until the new games don't come out on it anymore.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:28 PM

solaufein: HotWingConspiracy: But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.

Hell, Apple's been trying to move away from physical media for quite a while now.  First floppies and now optical drives.  I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.  While there is a definite shift away from physical media, I don't think we're there yet.


Netflix figured that out last year when they tried to dump their mail order DVD business.
Until EVERYTHING is online, we need physical media for the stuff that isn't.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:34 PM

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


Poseur. I have it on wax cylinder.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:15 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


I think the key difference between steam and xbone is that steam won its customers over with $5 games and such, whereas the bone will never do that. I remember the anger over steam initially, but valve held up its normal quality. The term Microsoft quality scares people
 
2013-06-13 03:44:29 PM
Does this mean the PS4 will be a steam punk hand crank punch card gaming machine of awesome?!
 
2013-06-13 03:44:32 PM

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


So pretty much exactly like how this would work if you had two Xbox Ones?
 
2013-06-13 03:44:40 PM
Finally we're gettin' more digital with our games. They've been reducing the amount of digital for years and nobody's said anything.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:42 PM

skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?


Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:53 PM

eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?


90 minute Maxell cassettes. But only if you break the tabs off first.
 
2013-06-13 03:45:08 PM

chitlenz: Wow...

It's not looking good, and as a .NET developer that kind of sucks.  It's like the worst parts of Apple with none of the cool design.  First they screwed up WPF/Silverlight, then Windows 8 was/is a trainwreck, then they released the Surface (which I still haven't once seen anyone using... do they really exist?), and now this.

What's happened is that MS stopped promoting idea people and started letting Marketing run the company.  They have a nice solid business desktop advantage, but they are mistaken if they think they can hold onto it for long with all this shiat going on.  Mark my words, all those restrictions and crap will lose them a LOT of devs, and no software = fail.


The new MAC Pro does have a cool design.
 
2013-06-13 03:45:53 PM

eddievercetti: Lt. Cheese Weasel: As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.

Oh hush.


archive.4plebs.org
 
2013-06-13 03:46:10 PM

skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it


Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.
 
2013-06-13 03:46:47 PM

chitlenz: CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.

The latest newfangled Edison Cylinder....


That is a thing of beauty.
 
2013-06-13 03:47:24 PM

boarch: scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.

I don't think you understand cloud computing.


Based on reports, all Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive. This can either be accomplished by installing from the disc, or downloading it. Now some of them say you'll be able to play while installing, but none of them specifiy if you can do this while downloading (which I doubt).
 
2013-06-13 03:48:07 PM

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


I love Steam.  When it first came out I was apprehensive but now I don't buy any games that aren't digital.  I buy stuff 50-75% off during the big sales install one or two for immediate playing then I'm good for 6 months til the next sale.  With FIOS I don't even bat an eye at downloading big games.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:42 PM

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I can still play my games when Steam launches in Offline Mode.

/which is most of the time, because my wifi is unreliable.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:48 PM

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


Microsoft has been hosting time limited deep discount sales for months now. They aren't quite as cheap or ubiqutous as steam sales but they have been moving in that direction since Q4 2012.  They have also had older digital games for $5 or $10 since they started offering non XBLA titles for digital distribution.
 
2013-06-13 03:49:10 PM
MS has gone off the rails lately, for sure.  Big fan of Win7 and even of Win8phone.  Hate Win8Desktop.  Been lovehate with my 360 since the UI update that replaced the blades with the... ads.  PC gamer also.

I've stopped buying games on live and steam (except the el-cheapo $1 - $10 steam sales) after running headlong into the "no refunds" brick wall at both, which is a real pain when coupled with the "no trades" and "no reselling" walls.  Back to disks I went.  MS trying to do the same thing with disks is insane.  What they *should* be doing is all the things PSN and Steam do right, and then do things right that those two do wrong as well.

Like, you know, allowing users to trade *ownership* of their precious digital games without taking a fee, asking the publisher, or even *telling* the publisher.  Having all the games stored in the "cloud" should make this terribly easy to implement and the transfer would be instant.

But they're so busy listening to consumers and putting them first that they aren't going to do this.

And so, goodbye live account, hello ps4 preorder.
 
2013-06-13 03:50:17 PM
skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:17 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:33 PM

Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it

Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.


I suppose it really is only an issue for real hardcore gamers. Casual players like myself aren't gonna give a shiat if the games are good
 
2013-06-13 03:52:08 PM
This gentleman is currently loading the latest version of Final Fantasy onto his analog PS4:

www.arts.tas.gov.au
 
2013-06-13 03:52:37 PM

skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon


Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.
 
2013-06-13 03:52:56 PM
Looks like I'm finally going to have my first Playstation system. The -*only*- way I will buy a system under the new xbox model is if I only have to trade a "license" for the money in exchange for a "license" for the game. Similar to how the game retains no resale value to me, the money retains no spending value to them.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:04 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.


when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:07 PM

Carth: . If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season


Regardless of Microsoft's consumer-unfriendly policies, it will still be $100 more than the competing console.

Unless they change that, but how would they do that without going far deeper in the red?
 
2013-06-13 03:53:20 PM

netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.


I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:06 PM

ZeroPly: Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.

While cleaning up my archives last month, I came across the Descent 2 CD. Could not resist - got it loaded and played for about 20 hours. Good times.


Ah, nostalgia.

I remember wanting that game so badly in the 90's. One day I was in an office depot with my dad and I saw FreeSpace for sale with a free copy of Descent 2 for $10. Had never heard of FreeSpace but hey, Descent 2 for ten bucks!

Turned out I liked FreeSpace much more, and is to this day one of the greatest games I've ever played.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:14 PM

Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.


ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:50 PM

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Well since Sony will inevitably to something to fark this up, like tie up half the processing power with DRM or build the console with the worst quality components they could find so that almost every console they release will fail within the first six months, you might have a pretty good theory there.
 
2013-06-13 03:55:06 PM

AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.


So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?
 
2013-06-13 03:55:16 PM

Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.


no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book
 
2013-06-13 03:55:33 PM
img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-06-13 03:56:18 PM

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


That's not true, most of the games I've purchased via XBL have been on sale.

Plus, the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.
 
2013-06-13 03:57:03 PM

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


So the comparison is Steam-gamers directly to the XBox  not PC-gamers in general to the XBox?
 
2013-06-13 03:58:34 PM

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


I can see where Steam or other digital delivery systems would be a super pain in the ass if you had a spotty internet connection.  But steam still lets you buy a boxed game and associate it with your account and then manage through steam if you want.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:36 PM
I just thank Visnu "Xtreme!!" is no longer a buzz word.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:55 PM

magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?


Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:55 PM
Xbox will get some rich casuals interesting in replacing their BD player, 360 and set-top box who have never heard of E3. PS4 will get the hardcore console gamers. Everyone else will stick with the 360/Wii U/PC.

Sony's lawyers always screw up a good thing. Not quite sure how they are going to do it... but it's coming and it will be worse then Xbox One.
 
2013-06-13 03:59:35 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]


I do not understand this pic, but I love it.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.


Unlike the current physical model, where retailers go to jail for charging anything other than $59.99 for a game.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:37 PM
Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

It isn't so hard to explain. There are a number of benefits and drawbacks associated with digital delivery. Some benefits are for the company, such as no actual physical product to deliver. Some drawbacks are for the company, such as users demanding to use their purchased products on more than one computer (though not at the same time). Some drawbacks are for the company, such as having a harder time explaining why a digital download is worth $60, even four years after a game's release. Some drawbacks are for the consumer, such as having no property rights to a purchase.

With Steam, Valve has balanced their enormous benefit of digital distribution by going out of their way to provide as many benefits to the customer as possible. Sales are common, with midweek madness dropping even relatively new games to 50% off and older titles are often available for a song. They've even worked hard on providing the advantages of physical ownership, allowing the game to be tied to one account, rather than one physical platform. Migrating your game to a new hard drive or new computer is as simple as installing Steam and logging in. Plus, if for some reason you bounce between multiple computers, everything works as expected. In short, Steam has repaid the trust consumers have given them in holding licenses rather than physical copies and done so in such a way as to gather many admirers. Many gamers now prefer Steam copies to physical copies or digital copies acquired through other such services.

Microsoft is using their perceived dominance to gain all the benefits of digital distribution, but granting few, if any, of those benefits to the consumer. While prices may eventually shift to reflect aging games, there are no hints of anything as wildly impressive as Valve's pricing. Further, Microsoft is continuing its tradition of erroring on the side of the consumer as an assumed thief and enforcing more draconian DRM.

Rather than work like Valve, whose stance is usually, "yes you can" or "we'll try". Their default stance is "our hardware, our rules, suck it".  This is what you are seeing.

tl;dr - gamers trust Valve. Microsoft? Not so much.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:57 PM
I don't have any problem with the Xbox One having digital titles tied to a gamer account. I've been using steam for years and it works well.  As long as they have good sales and you can get access to the full library of xbox one games, AND they have price reductions and sales like Steam does, it's a good business model.

However, any game purchased as a physical disc, should be fully sharable. If I buy the disc for game A, my friend should be able to borrow that game and play it from the disc without any extra fees.

Here's what I think would be a good solution. Have the disc, play on any box under any game. Buy it digitally, and you can only use it on your account. To offset this difference in value, the digital version should be less expensive.

What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:01 PM
I enjoy the social benefits of eating only free range digital.
It matters where the digital comes from.  Same reason I don't eat Hex Mix, Choco Bytes, Frequency Shift Krunchies or any of that other military industrial complex transnational corp sweatshop digital crap.  The yolks are always a little fluffier that way.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:56 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]


That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.
 
2013-06-13 04:05:49 PM

skullkrusher: Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.

when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.


I use Gamefly. I average about 1 game a month if I get it to 100% complete (well, minus DLCs cuz I'm not buying those) so at $18 a month I'm spending $180 plus $50 for PS+ (love the free games) for a total of $230 a year on gaming. I do put new releases up top on the queue and sometimes I get lucky and get them within first month of release but I usually play games 6-12 months after release and I'm ok with that.
 
2013-06-13 04:06:59 PM
As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer
 
2013-06-13 04:08:44 PM

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


Same here. Something about it.
 
2013-06-13 04:08:56 PM

Twigz221: What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.


Here's my question: Let's say all the yelling and feet stomping actually amount to something that affects the bottom line so drastically that they actually decide they give a shiat. Unlikely, but possible. Could they even change it if they wanted to?
 
2013-06-13 04:09:24 PM

ddam: skullkrusher: Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.

when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.

I use Gamefly. I average about 1 game a month if I get it to 100% complete (well, minus DLCs cuz I'm not buying those) so at $18 a month I'm spending $180 plus $50 for PS+ (love the free games) for a total of $230 a year on gaming. I do put new releases up top on the queue and sometimes I get lucky and get them within first month of release but I usually play games 6-12 months after release and I'm ok with that.


I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.
 
2013-06-13 04:09:57 PM
I'm going to preorder my Xbone with my next paycheck, and I know a bunch of people that have already or plan to aswell.  Buying a PS4, where the selling point is litterally "We're doing what MS did eight years ago!" isn't alluring to me.  It's prettier, sure, but there's nothing really innovative, which is something I kinda like in a next-gen anything.

I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.  I get that some people are desperately tied to their used/pirated games and somehow consider themselves customers of the devs and publishers.  I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right?  They don't have to be on the same box?  They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)  So keep on keepin' on haters, your butthurt is wearing thin, but for now I'm still amused by it.
 
2013-06-13 04:10:29 PM

Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.


he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.
 
2013-06-13 04:10:37 PM

skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book


Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:11 PM

Coboc: I'm going to preorder my Xbone with my next paycheck, and I know a bunch of people that have already or plan to aswell.  Buying a PS4, where the selling point is litterally "We're doing what MS did eight years ago!" isn't alluring to me.  It's prettier, sure, but there's nothing really innovative, which is something I kinda like in a next-gen anything.


You are correct. Sony's strategy of employing successful techniques employed by Microsoft eight years ago, instead of the hated and derided techniques that Microsoft is employing now, will cost them many sales.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:29 PM
New NSA requirement?
 
2013-06-13 04:13:39 PM

Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book

Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.


well that makes a whole buncha sense then
 
2013-06-13 04:14:01 PM

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


If you have to ask, then you're a dirty console peasant.

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.
 
2013-06-13 04:14:01 PM
Disappoint that The Last of Us isn't coming to XBox. Not enough to get a Playstation, though.
 
2013-06-13 04:14:41 PM

Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading

(You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.
 
2013-06-13 04:16:03 PM

DssDevl: As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer


Know a few people that will be doing the same.  They've never owned a Sony system before, but are willing to dump Xbox for something still a bit unknown, but with a more user friendly tone.  Unless Xbox makes some serious changes they will start to lose the gains they've made over the years.

I have a PS3, and an Xbox 360, but prefer the PS3 for online gaming.  More friends on the PS3 than Xbox is the main reason.  Have an old Wii, but haven't touched it in quite a while.  Not much of a Nintendo guy.
 
2013-06-13 04:16:25 PM
fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-06-13 04:16:38 PM

Twigz221: I don't have any problem with the Xbox One having digital titles tied to a gamer account. I've been using steam for years and it works well.  As long as they have good sales and you can get access to the full library of xbox one games, AND they have price reductions and sales like Steam does, it's a good business model.

However, any game purchased as a physical disc, should be fully sharable. If I buy the disc for game A, my friend should be able to borrow that game and play it from the disc without any extra fees.

Here's what I think would be a good solution. Have the disc, play on any box under any game. Buy it digitally, and you can only use it on your account. To offset this difference in value, the digital version should be less expensive.

What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.


This is a rational criticism of the XBox One that I agree with.  The call home ping is insulting and could lead to loss of functionality.  I think that other features make up for this but it's still a major slap in the face to customers. Like I've said before in other Xbox One biatchfests, I don't really care all that much I'm going to buy one of each console and use all of them anyway. I'll deal with the good and the bad of each and whichever one performs better will become my primary living room device. Last gen it was the 360 and the PS3 was relegated to exclusives only.  This gen it may be the other way around.
 
2013-06-13 04:17:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


The PC Master Race doesn't have genders, we only have gamers
 
2013-06-13 04:18:34 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.

If you have to ask, then you're a dirty console peasant.

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.


Noooooooooooooooooo!
 
2013-06-13 04:19:02 PM
I think this needs to be known everywhere. But then it will be fun to have a friend buy one. Try to imitate their voice as best as possible and say words like porn, man on man love, heroin and other words over and over that might be embarrassing or even vindictive depending on your friendship status. Just to have it know what your friend likes..or the NSA
Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.

AND another thing many in the Military are X-Box fans and many won't be able to play due to no internet connectivity, region status or country where the damn thing wont work. PLEASE guys its not too late to fix this before launch! ( I think )
 
2013-06-13 04:19:22 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.


Because the extension cord doesn't stretch that far?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:22 PM

scottydoesntknow: boarch: scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.

I don't think you understand cloud computing.

Based on reports, all Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive. This can either be accomplished by installing from the disc, or downloading it. Now some of them say you'll be able to play while installing, but none of them specifiy if you can do this while downloading (which I doubt).


Won't be a problem for me as I won't buy the fraking thing.

/Hey Sony, how YOU been?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:27 PM
Oh also, is this the thread where I can biatch that they didn't port Gears of War sequels to PC?  Serious what's wrong with you?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:34 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.
 
2013-06-13 04:19:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.

/my hardcore gaming is saved for my PC anyway
//Also, FORZA.
 
2013-06-13 04:19:54 PM
 OOHHH You meant biggest advantage for GAMERS!!! Ha, I thought you meant the biggest advantage for US.

Are they trying to  become a parody of themselves be reenforcing every negative stereotype about Micro$oft?
That company really is in it's own little clueless world.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:03 PM
Who cares when Company of Heroes 2, made by the best RTS developer of ALL TIME, RELIC, releases on the 25th?
 
2013-06-13 04:20:26 PM
So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:40 PM

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


It's also, y'know, free.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:56 PM

skullkrusher: Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.

ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.


Most likely, yes.  Apologies .
 
2013-06-13 04:21:31 PM
what the fark is steam?
 
2013-06-13 04:22:03 PM

skullkrusher: Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.

he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.


I thought I wasn't trolling but just making funnies, seeing as I said 'thus' it should've been apparent I was affecting a character having no relation to my present human form.
I didn't know gaming threads were more serious than those in the Politics tab, I'll keep out in future and stay in the Beiber/Kanye hatefests.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:23 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.


Mom and Pop my ass.  The fact that people are upset that they will no longer have the privilege of carting their outdated physical media to Gamestop to get a $5 credit just so Gamestop can turn around and sell it for $50 amazes me.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:23 PM

skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.


I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:25 PM

netweavr: So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.


Microsoft's a bit bigger then those guys, far as I know.

When's the last time Hotmail went down?  I'd reckon there's a couple dozen more simultaneus sign-ins for that then there ever was or will be for the Xbone.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:44 PM

poot_rootbeer: Carth: . If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season

Regardless of Microsoft's consumer-unfriendly policies, it will still be $100 more than the competing console.

Unless they change that, but how would they do that without going far deeper in the red?


I think it depends on how retailers handle sales. If you can just buy hte console PS4 has a huge advantage. If, like last generation, they require you to buy bundles they can rig the game so Xbox bundles cost $550 and PS4 bundles about the same.

skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it

Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.

I suppose it really is only an issue for real hardcore gamers. Casual players like myself aren't gonna give a shiat if the games are good


That's true. Not many casual players drop $400-$600 on a new console and game or two though so it doesn't matter too much for casual players until the first price drop.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:51 PM

MrSteve007: skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.

I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.


This.  Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:55 PM
Just say 'NO' to Xbox One.

If you MUST be a dirty console peasant, buy a WiiU or a PS4.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 04:24:57 PM

kerouac555: what the fark is steam?


A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."
 
2013-06-13 04:26:21 PM
 
2013-06-13 04:26:31 PM

Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.


This

I try new games but always go back to playing my classic arcade games on my PS2.  Actually, all I really need is my PS2 with Activision Anthology and Atari Anthology.

/Uncle Rico
 
2013-06-13 04:26:45 PM

miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.


They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.
 
2013-06-13 04:28:45 PM

Two16: skullkrusher: Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.

ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.

Most likely, yes.  Apologies .


no probs. I am an unapologetic Nazi right wing authoritarian libertarian gestapo jackbooted fascist thug. Just not a Romney supporter or an Objectivist
 
2013-06-13 04:29:06 PM
Microsoft. What we're doing to you:
piq.codeus.net
 
2013-06-13 04:29:09 PM
Okay, let's get this started.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 04:29:20 PM

YoOjo: skullkrusher: Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.

he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.

I thought I wasn't trolling but just making funnies, seeing as I said 'thus' it should've been apparent I was affecting a character having no relation to my present human form.
I didn't know gaming threads were more serious than those in the Politics tab, I'll keep out in future and stay in the Beiber/Kanye hatefests.


heh I appreciated it
 
2013-06-13 04:30:01 PM
Still with my Dreamcast, PS2 and Wii, and no intention to get a new console...probably ever.

Still too many games I've yet to play/complete/replay.

I'll deal with the hisses and pops of my analog devices.
 
2013-06-13 04:30:39 PM

MrSteve007: skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.

I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.


same here assuming the price is right. Spotifyer myself, though
 
2013-06-13 04:30:43 PM
Here's the Terms of Service. Feel comfortable with that camera/microphone combination that can't be disconnected or shut off yet?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 04:31:14 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Okay, let's get this started.

[i.imgur.com image 517x663]


I know funny and that's funny
 
2013-06-13 04:31:44 PM

Coboc: This. Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.


Yep. I still have a grandfathered unlimited plan from Cingular . . . yes, Cingular. But it's nice to stream all the Netflix and Xbox music that I could ever want via an LTE Nokia 920. The 99ms ping & 12 meg down, 8 meg up on my mobile phone is most excellent.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:01 PM

poot_rootbeer: AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.

So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?


Another part of it is that Microsoft's business culture has become toxic.  The Windows and Office teams routinely exercise a disproportionate and often petty amount of influence against other parts of the company.  For example, you may recall that the Courier tablet was canceled at the last minute because the first version wouldn't support the full version of Office.  In addition, the way that performance reviews are done on a curve that ensures that a certain number of people will get poor reviews no matter how well they actually performed, which creates an incentive not to cooperate with your colleagues.

I might be a good candidate for a software engineering position at Microsoft, but I have no desire to work in that sort of environment.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:42 PM

netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."


Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since
 
2013-06-13 04:35:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.

Because the extension cord doesn't stretch that far?


LOL
 
2013-06-13 04:35:25 PM

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


Well, that's exactly it, isn't it?

Hell, I don't even care that the camera is always on. If MS really wants to see my junk, I'll set up a Tumblr for them.

But I neither need nor want a Kinect. It does nothing for me. In fact, it's a damned inconvenience because my living room layout has all the consoles on one side of the room and the TV at another, at right angles to the consoles. To get any value out of a Kinect I'd have to rearrange everything and still have something that I don't particularly want to use.

So, the reason I'm not buying an XBOne is because I don't need to pay a surcharge for hardware that does nothing for me.
 
2013-06-13 04:36:08 PM

MrSteve007: Coboc: This. Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.

Yep. I still have a grandfathered unlimited plan from Cingular . . . yes, Cingular. But it's nice to stream all the Netflix and Xbox music that I could ever want via an LTE Nokia 920. The 99ms ping & 12 meg down, 8 meg up on my mobile phone is most excellent.


same here. I've been an AT&T/Cingular subscriber for over 12 years now and as much as it sucks I don't want to lose my unlimited data plan by switching to Verizon
 
2013-06-13 04:36:39 PM

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


Oh man.  I was gonna say that.  You're quick remus.

+1
 
2013-06-13 04:36:49 PM
"An error occured cancelling automatic renewal "

(navigates to support, only option is "receive a phone call."  Clicks link)

404.

img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-06-13 04:39:14 PM
A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.
 
2013-06-13 04:39:51 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Gamers know that they will have access to their Steam games when they upgrade to their next computer. Gamers also know that Steam has an offline mode, meaning that their computer isn't bricked if their internet or Steam goes down. Gamers like the fact that Steam is an option and not mandatory. And they like fact that there are insane sales where you can get 75% to 90% off on some pretty great titles. Finally, gamers know that a PC is different from a console. Gamers have different expectations for a PC than a console.

The Xbox formula is NOT an exact copy of the Steam model. That's like saying the CBS show Elementary is an exact copy of BBC's Sherlock. It is a different, and quite frankly inferior model than Steam, and gamers know that. They have certain expectations for consoles and the Xbox is not meeting those expectations, nor is Microsoft making the case for gamers to change those expectations.

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between Steam and the Xbox model either doesn't know much about the differences or is being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-06-13 04:40:46 PM

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.
Microphone functions can be 'paused' but it is always listening--- ostensibly, for the command 'Xbox on', but considering the TOS I just posted, do you really believe that it 'pauses'?
 
2013-06-13 04:40:57 PM

Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.


Don't you mean "masochists"? Sadists love to punish people with whips and candles, masochists love to be punished with whips and candles.

/please don't ask me how I know this
 
2013-06-13 04:42:43 PM

Coboc: I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.


This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:27 PM
Used games:
See those $10 chunks of crap on the shelf that 90% of which you don't want to play?  Well each one represents lost $$$ for the publisher.  PS4 users better get ready for a surprise.  You're going to see one or MORE of the following:
1.  "multiplayer tokens" or other such publisher driven methods to restrict resales.
2.  Game keys
3.  Increased prices on non restricted games
4.  Games simply not being published for that platform.

One way or the other you're getting the shaft so don't try to get all high and mighty about some competing product.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:27 PM

King Something: Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.

Don't you mean "masochists"? Sadists love to punish people with whips and candles, masochists love to be punished with whips and candles.

/please don't ask me how I know this


I'll defer to your expertise.
 
2013-06-13 04:44:33 PM

thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since


Early 2000s, mid-2000s was when it start to take off in popularity.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:06 PM

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


If you want to be paranoid I would recommend duct tape. That said, if you own a laptop, tablet or phone with a camera you are just being silly.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:07 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.


Wait... really!? As in you can't use the Kinect functionality (which is obvious), or that you can't use the XBOne at all? If it's the latter then it's actually significantly more defective than I thought.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:09 PM

Aarontology: MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?

It helps with load times.


If the Dev writes the code to be optimized that way.  Some don't and it can actually take longer because the initial design was to load to the HDD from the DVD(Halo 3 had that problem, you had to write from HDD to HDD the way it cached, so it actually lengthened load times[negligible imo, but some claimed it was a pain in the ass]).


Also, and this is the big part:

CD drives have always been a weak point in the PC format, they are made cheap and have the poorest life expectancy of most other (modern, similar non-sealed mechanical devices were all prone to problems/breakage) components to a digital system(except, apparently, the 360 itself, which had the same problem, being made cheaply).  All those moving (weak)parts in a non sealed container and using light to read the information.  Dust in combination with cheap innards and these things will usually be the first things to fail.

Installing to HDD will help avoid that problem, save wear and tear on the drive.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:24 PM
Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong:
You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.


Source?  I know it can't be unplugged, but who said it has to actually be able to "detect a person?"

Relevant:
distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com
 
2013-06-13 04:46:22 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: Used games:
See those $10 chunks of crap on the shelf that 90% of which you don't want to play?  Well each one represents lost $$$ for the publisher.  PS4 users better get ready for a surprise.  You're going to see one or MORE of the following:
1.  "multiplayer tokens" or other such publisher driven methods to restrict resales.
2.  Game keys
3.  Increased prices on non restricted games
4.  Games simply not being published for that platform.

One way or the other you're getting the shaft so don't try to get all high and mighty about some competing product.


Stop right there.
Because you're wrong.

The old 'HURR the Xbone isn't so bad because Sony will do worse' deflection isn't going to work here.
 
2013-06-13 04:46:43 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.


And even then, they never said it (or your console) would function when obscured. I wouldn't be surprised if you see an error pop up saying "Kinect sensor is blocked" if you try it.
 
2013-06-13 04:47:14 PM
So, to point out a glaring flaw in this article

"Amazon basically says they are on path to sell out ... . Amazon is saying it's one of their best-selling consumer products. We're seeing the same thing from other retailers."

amazon is doing a FREE preorder. No $$ down. Gamestop isn't. it's a 100$! so, I highly doubt that amazon pre-order metric is worth a damn.
 
2013-06-13 04:47:19 PM
Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html
 
2013-06-13 04:47:50 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.


www.goldismoney2.com
I think all console gamers should therefore buy the Xbox,  Think of all the bandwidth the Master Race could then harvest and exploit.  EXCELLENT.
 
2013-06-13 04:49:04 PM

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


Play one game on one computer and a different game on the other without tricking one or both in remaining offline.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-06-13 04:49:41 PM
Microsoft can eat a dick.
 
2013-06-13 04:51:15 PM

Jument: fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!

If you want to be paranoid I would recommend duct tape. That said, if you own a laptop, tablet or phone with a camera you are just being silly.


The console will stop function if the Kinect isn't working. It needs to detect a person to play games.
 
2013-06-13 04:51:53 PM
I have owned a total of 5 Xboxes.  Two of the original model -- the first one died.  And three 360s -- the first one died, again, and the other two because I like to game while the GF watches Netflix.  I have never bought, or tried to play, a bootleg or pirated game in my life.  I do have a number of games installed on both machines, but have always paid for the DLC twice -- it's just easier that way.
In other words, I consider myself to be a pretty damn good customer for Microsoft.
So why are they trying to treat me like I'm a suspect?  Why do I have to prove to them every single damned day that I'm not cheating anybody?
It's pretty clear from the article that Microsoft is so blinded with arrogance that they don't even understand how much they are insulting their own customer base.
Needless to say, my next console will be a PS4.  Since the new Xbox won't play any of the games I already have anyway, there is absolutely nothing to lose by switching.  And, I'm hoping that enough people will come to the same decision to cause Microsoft to realize they made a very bad decision to treat their customers like felons.
To hell with them.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:07 PM
OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:15 PM

solaufein: I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.


Then they'd better get on board with the Steam Pricing Scheme.

Full price now, 50% off in 6 months or so, 75% off shortly therafter. Amazeballs sales.

None of this high-priced never-go-on-any-significant-sale-ever BS that console games seem to have.

/couldn't care less about reselling on the used market if I could buy AAA bestsellers for 10 bucks just by waiting a while.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:55 PM
"Hey, you got Kotaku in my Fark!"
 
2013-06-13 04:53:25 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES! You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!! Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!


heh this is kinda where I am coming from. My 360 is continuously hooked up to my wifi network. Of course, if my internet goes down for a day, my 360 doesn't stop working which is good and different than the Bone
 
2013-06-13 04:54:43 PM

netweavr: thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since

Early 2000s, mid-2000s was when it start to take off in popularity.


I thought it was released with hl2 (when I got it)

Checking...03 and its problems were not being able to handle demand apparently. Okay looks like I missed its bad year.

Probably will get the ps4 but if there is a steam box announcement before then, I don't know.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:00 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


levelselect.co.uk
 
2013-06-13 04:55:12 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


That's the dumbest thing I've read all day, and I accidentally stumbled into a Buzzfeed link earlier.

Congratulations.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:55 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.
 
2013-06-13 04:56:46 PM
I work for a 100% Microsoft software shop.

Everyone here is buying PS4.
 
2013-06-13 04:56:57 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


I have yet to see a single Microsoft shill present a single defense as to why the Xbone requires you to check in online every day. Why is it a requirement?

-To check up on what is installed? I don't need them to treat me like I'm a criminal that needs watching as to what I do with my own property.
-To upload/download records of what the Kinect saw or heard? No thank you.
-For online games? What if I don't play those? Then there's no reason for the internet connection.

You CANNOT defend that requirement. It is indefensible.
 
2013-06-13 04:57:04 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


Choosing to, and being required to, are vastly, vastly, VASTLY different things.

Clueless retards that can't see that is what's wrong with this world.

/lemme guess, the NSA stuff also doesn't bother you because you have "nothing to hide"
 
2013-06-13 04:58:56 PM

regornam: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html

Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.


I'm pretty offended that you're assuming I'm a console peasant. I have a gaming PC, I don't need a console, and neither do I want one.

But the kind of restrictions Microsoft is trying to push on people who like video games doesn't stop existing just because I don't use consoles. It's a dangerous precedent that needs to be stopped now before it gets out of hand. If I ignore it today because it doesn't effect me, it'll be me having to deal with this bullshiat tomorrow.
 
2013-06-13 05:00:21 PM
img.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-06-13 05:01:58 PM

ThatDarkFellow: [img.gawkerassets.com image 320x434]


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net

/Also goes well with the Xbox guy's comment during Killer Instinct
 
2013-06-13 05:02:22 PM
Man, there are so many ill-informed people posting on this thread. I'm not a fan of MS or the new stuff they are implementing, but at least understand what you are complaining about.

Dimensio: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account. If you bought a second xb1, it would act exactly the same as your current two computer setup. You sign in with your Live account and have access to all of your games, just like in Steam. You can have family accounts with access to your games to make it even easier. You are complaining about a problem they have already explained doesn't exist.

scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

DanZero: Your image has so many problems I can't begin to refute all of them.

Anyone saying that PS4 is allowing you to do all this stuff, while xb1 is denying it, needs to take note of a few things:

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS is saying they will allow lending and reselling games all you want from their IP, but they are leaving it up to the publisher to limit that in other games. They are saying nearly the same thing as Sony!

4) The 24 hour check doesn't stop you from playing your game forever. It just means you have to check in before you can play again. I don't like this requirement at all, but people are blowing it out of proportion. Your machine isn't bricked. You just have to connect it to the internet before you can play again. This is bad for people in the military or who travel a lot, so it's a shame they don't allow you to have the disk in the machine to verify.

5) MS will allow you to lend a game remotely to a friend for free. Sony does not allow that. That means my friend in Indiana can let me try out a game while I live in California. My biggest reason for not buying games is I don't want to pay for something I haven't played yet, so when my friends want me to play an online multiplayer game with them they have a hard time convincing me to buy whatever game it is. This will help that.

Sony specifically said they will let publishers do whatever DRM and lending/reselling limitations they want. This is the same plan as MS, except MS has a system in place to make it standardized... again, only if the publisher chooses to implement that system.
 
2013-06-13 05:03:14 PM

Egoy3k: ItchyMcDoogle: Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.

Mom and Pop my ass.  The fact that people are upset that they will no longer have the privilege of carting their outdated physical media to Gamestop to get a $5 credit just so Gamestop can turn around and sell it for $50 amazes me.


Scouring the used-game shelves at GameStop and its ilk has scored me plenty of good deals on older current- and previous-gen games. I haven't traded anything in in years, but shopping for used games (or books or clothes or whatever) is almost a hobby of mine, and I don't like giving up hobbies.
 
2013-06-13 05:05:19 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.


And I get that having the extra peripheral isn't ideal, but I have a hard time getting upset about it.  I've heard a lot of speculation that it'll be used to gather info for marketing/the evil gubmint wants that camera in there to spy on you.  In either case, I find it highly unlikely that the Xbox is transmitting any amount of useful info during it's daily sign in (assuming you aren't just leaving it online) which is supposed to be in the kilobytes range.

So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.
 
2013-06-13 05:06:59 PM
horsepocket: 4) The 24 hour check doesn't stop you from playing your game forever. It just means you have to check in before you can play again. I don't like this requirement at all, but people are blowing it out of proportion. Your machine isn't bricked. You just have to connect it to the internet before you can play again. This is bad for people in the military or who travel a lot, so it's a shame they don't allow you to have the disk in the machine to verify.

Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?
 
2013-06-13 05:09:04 PM

horsepocket: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account.


...An account that has to check in to a server every 24 hours or you can't play your games.

Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk?

A disk that you can't resell unless you sell it back to a 'specified retailier'. No more yard sale games, no more Ebay.

And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

Yeah, you can lend him the game for 24 hours, after which if your friend still wants to play it he has to pay a fee. You left out that part.

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

So you're saying that because Sony did something stupid in the past, people should buy an Xbox One and put up with a bunch of draconian bullshiat now. How stupid are you?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

See above

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS ...

"PS4 Doesn't Allow Online Passes Even From Third-Party Publishers"
- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Even- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


Consider your post debunked.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:21 PM

thecpt: remus: But is it Hi Fi?

It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo


Just so you know, this did not go unnoticed.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:44 PM

horsepocket: scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.


Except for the whole article about the BIGGEST BENEFIT OF XBOX ONE IS DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!!!11!! EVERYTHING IS CLOUD BASED!!!!!1111

I know you can bring the disc over and install it, but Microsoft's big push this year is YOU DON'T NEED THE DISC ANYMORE.

And you can't lend him the game if you don't want to sign in. Every single article says you MUST sign in because it is your game linked to your account. They've said next to nothing about the "10 family members" because they have no idea how it's going to work, that was just them trying to get something back after their stupid-ass announcements.

Holy cow, get your actual facts straight before you try to act like a smartass.
 
2013-06-13 05:10:25 PM

Carth: What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did?


You're farked.
 
2013-06-13 05:11:10 PM
What about if you do something crazy and decide to maybe go on a vacation?  Most people tend to shut everything down except for a few things here and there on timers.  At least I do, I don't see the need to waste electricity, on internet or wifi if we're not there to use it.  Yes, we power down everything when the house is empty on a daily basis too. 


So, if you aren't there to login for a few days, or a week or two, what happens?  Are you going to have to get permission from Microsoft if you go on vacation?  Will they put a hold on your account for however many days you are absent from the network?
 
2013-06-13 05:11:21 PM

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


No...all the womyn are standing behind the fat guy...
 
2013-06-13 05:14:03 PM
Coboc:
So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

Yes.  I have a projector for my home theater, where my 360 and HTPC live.  Making the kinect mandatory means that game devs are going to assume it's there.  How long until games that otherwise would not need any kinect functionality suddenly "require" it (as in, have features that can only be performed via kinect)?

I'm not going to sit and shout at my screen to play games, and standing up or waving your arms in front of the projector presents an obvious hindrance to actual gameplay.

I have no concerns about the little eye spying on me.  When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug.
 
2013-06-13 05:16:20 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Carth: What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did?

You're farked.


if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)
 
2013-06-13 05:17:45 PM

drop: When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug


Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.
 
2013-06-13 05:18:51 PM

skullkrusher: if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)


No offense, but could you fark off? It's bad enough seeing your bullshiat in the Politics tab.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:16 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: "PS4 Doesn't Allow Online Passes Even From Third-Party Publishers"
- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Even- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


While third-party forms of DRM is still something that publishers can pursue, the Online Pass is not one of them.

From said article.  Don't know why I give a shiat.  I'm leaning towards PS4 primarily because it's cheaper.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:27 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


Because computers never get spyware or hacked and have their webcams remotely activated . . .
 
2013-06-13 05:21:42 PM

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!


Your Xbox360 doesn't become a brick if you decide to disconnect.

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

My computer doesn't become bricked if my internet goes down, I can play all my games in offline mode, and I go online if I choose to. It's my choice. I also don't need the camera on my laptop to work if I want to use it.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

Give it time. You'll see write-ups in newspapers and magazines closer to when the console is released.

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.

I got my NES almost 30 years ago and I can still play all those old games. (Duck Tales is awesome and still kicks my ass.) My SNES gets some action as well. (Chrono Trigger still holds up.) The PS2 came out 13 years ago and I still play those games and likely will for years to come. I have a pretty extensive collection of GBA games that I still enjoy. The idea that I won't want to play a game in 10 years is silly.

I am a lifelong gamer and I have never wanted a console less than I've not wanted the Xbox One. And I'm really enjoying what appears to be Microsoft's condescending attitude towards those who raise reasonable concerns about the new model. It's a real winner and a great PR strategy, because nothing makes me want a console more than being mocked and condescended to about not wanting their console.
 
2013-06-13 05:22:03 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: skullkrusher: if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)

No offense, but could you fark off? It's bad enough seeing your bullshiat in the Politics tab.


gee, maybe my "bullshiat" is spurred by the fact that you whine everywhere you go?
 
2013-06-13 05:22:49 PM

scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?


I think that they're doing streaming downloads so you can play while the game downloads in the background.
 
2013-06-13 05:23:04 PM
Of course, if you want to download the game 5-10 years down the road and Microsoft has decided to discontinue distribution or updates (see also office, XP, vista, 7), your $50 will be forfeit. You really just lease their products and then are forces to upgrade or stop using them.
 
2013-06-13 05:23:22 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


The Pure PC master race is only fun if you live by yourself or have family members who don't play games. I've got a (future) step-daughter who loves Minecraft and a girlfriend who loves RPGs (namely the Mass Effect series, she's on 2 now). Neither of them like playing on a computer. The console allows me to distract them so I can play whatever I want on my PC.

I like being a part of the master race that doesn't give a shiat what you play on as long as you have fun.
 
2013-06-13 05:24:20 PM

Tax Boy: scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I think that they're doing streaming downloads so you can play while the game downloads in the background.


I know they've said you can play while a game is installing (from the disc), but they've never said anything about being able to play while downloading.
 
2013-06-13 05:24:36 PM

drop: Coboc:
So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

Yes.  I have a projector for my home theater, where my 360 and HTPC live.  Making the kinect mandatory means that game devs are going to assume it's there.  How long until games that otherwise would not need any kinect functionality suddenly "require" it (as in, have features that can only be performed via kinect)?

I'm not going to sit and shout at my screen to play games, and standing up or waving your arms in front of the projector presents an obvious hindrance to actual gameplay.

I have no concerns about the little eye spying on me.  When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug.


And that's perfectly reasonable.  I doubt that many titles are going to force Kinect functions down peoples' throats, if only because the devs/publishers probably won't make spending time and money coding for it a priority.  I'm not altogether keen on prnacing around either.  I do see it being a neat, even better, way to interact in certain genres and I'm eager to try it from a media standpoint.
 
2013-06-13 05:25:47 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.

You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.
Microphone functions can be 'paused' but it is always listening--- ostensibly, for the command 'Xbox on', but considering the TOS I just posted, do you really believe that it 'pauses'?


I'm waiting for the shiatstorm when parents buy this thing for the kids, then find out about the always-on-camera pointing at their kids. For once, I want to see the mommies explode in mommyrage. You know damn well the kids know about it, but won't mention it because they want the damn thing.
 
2013-06-13 05:27:19 PM

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


I love how Gaben is still majestically fat.
 
2013-06-13 05:29:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: horsepocket: scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

Except for the whole article about the BIGGEST BENEFIT OF XBOX ONE IS DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!!!11!! EVERYTHING IS CLOUD BASED!!!!!1111

I know you can bring the disc over and install it, but Microsoft's big push this year is YOU DON'T NEED THE DISC ANYMORE.

And you can't lend him the game if you don't want to sign in. Every single article says you MUST sign in because it is your game linked to your account. They've said next to nothing about the "10 family members" because they have no idea how it's going to work, that was just them trying to get something back after their stupid-ass announcements.

Holy cow, get your actual facts straight before you try to act like a smartass.


So you understand that you can install the game from a disk. You understand that. You also understand that you can remotely lend a game to a friend.

1) Your original complaint was about time to download a game while at a friend's house to play that game. I answered that if you are at his house, you can use the disk to make it faster. Your complaint is now invalid. All MS has done is allowed remote lending, which you couldn't do before, yet you complain that they added a nice feature.

2) You complain now that you have to sign in to use it at his house, but then how does remote lending work? You don't have to sign in at his house if you lend him the game remotely, so why would you have to sign in if you lend it locally? Yes, you have to sign in somewhere to do the lending, but once you have given him access to your library I wouldn't think you'd have to sign in over there again. And no, every single article does not say you must sign in at his house to access your games. It might be one way to access your games if you didn't lend him the game remotely before you went over there, but I'm guessing the whole "lending remotely" thing means you don't have to sign in to play that game.

You are right that they have said next to nothing about the 10 family member thing, probably because they haven't figured out how all of this is going to work.
 
2013-06-13 05:32:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: Tax Boy: scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I think that they're doing streaming downloads so you can play while the game downloads in the background.

I know they've said you can play while a game is installing (from the disc), but they've never said anything about being able to play while downloading.


I could be wrong. It's not like I have any interest in the xbone whatsoever. I actually feel bad for microsoft.
 
2013-06-13 05:33:17 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?
 
2013-06-13 05:36:02 PM

Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?


Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.
 
2013-06-13 05:37:03 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: drop: When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug

Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


Card carrying member since mid 90s.  quadhead, etc.  Some games are just more fun on the huge screen which is why I have an HTPC next to the 360.  Was looking forward to the next Xbox's media integration and features, but this used/borrowed game business and the kinect killed it for me.  Will likely order a PS4 now strictly out of spite.
 
2013-06-13 05:37:35 PM

Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?


If my power's out, I'm not playing either way...

spurious arguments are spurious.
 
2013-06-13 05:38:09 PM

Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.


Only if you forgot to stock up on beer.
 
2013-06-13 05:38:30 PM

horsepocket: Man, there are so many ill-informed people posting on this thread. I'm not a fan of MS or the new stuff they are implementing, but at least understand what you are complaining about.

Dimensio: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account. If you bought a second xb1, it would act exactly the same as your current two computer setup. You sign in with your Live account and have access to all of your games, just like in Steam. You can have family accounts with access to your games to make it even easier. You are complaining about a problem they have already explained doesn't exist.

scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

DanZero: Your image has so many problems I can't begin to refute all of them.

Anyone saying that PS4 is allowing you to do all this stuff, while xb1 is denying it, needs to take note of a few things:

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS ...


Obvious astroturf is obvious.
 
2013-06-13 05:39:56 PM

Coboc: So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?


Yes.

Carth: Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?


Probably.
 
2013-06-13 05:40:12 PM

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.



I don't have to be logged in to Steam 24/7/365 to play my games. I don't lose access to Steam if I'm not logged in/can't log in for 24 hours. Steam doesn't punish me for refusing to allow them to have a camera pointed at me 24/7/365, nor do they punish me if a tornado comes through and knocks out my power and internet. Once services are restored, I can log back in to Steam and go right back to playing, even if it's been a week.

Steam has brilliant sales almost constantly, so I almost never pay $60 for a game and I rarely pay full price for DLC.

See? Yes I can explain that. Very easily. XBox One will be a $500 paperweight come next tornado season, Steam will still be a useful service come next tornado season. There is no competition between the two.
 
2013-06-13 05:40:31 PM

Egoy3k: miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.

They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.


My store bought DVD of the Pc version of Fallout New Vegas is nothing more than a steam client and the encrypted Steam files for the game.  You can not install the game PERIOD without connecting to Steam and logging into an account.  My 6-cd version of Half-Life 2 (bought Day One) is pretty much the same farking deal.  Right now, my internet connection refuses to connect to Steam.  I have never been able to install the New Vegas game.
 
2013-06-13 05:41:53 PM

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


My guess is that since you can play games while they are still downloading, they will set it up so that the games stream ala Netflix or Youtube.  That way you start playing and the game will prioritize downloading the section that you are in at any given time.

Which may work for RPGs and Platformers, but I'm not sure how it would work for Multiplayer games like Call of Duty, Street Fighter, or even Forza where all stages and locations are available from the start.

Perhaps it will only load the framework and character textures first and wait to download the individual stages as you progress?

Without more details it's difficult to say how exactly that would work out over Grandma's 1.5MB DSL connection.
 
2013-06-13 05:42:13 PM

rufus-t-firefly: The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

[www.computerhistory.org image 570x380]


Thank you MicroShill. I'm sure you have lots of experience with the PS4 and street-ready game builds.
 
2013-06-13 05:44:00 PM

skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon


It really is the camera that's the nail in the coffin. Who wants to knowingly invite a big corporation into your home to spy on you with a camera.A camera that can almost read your mind so it can send data back to headquarters where their marketers use the information to learn how to better manipulate you?

And how have we gotten to the point that a corporation would even think consumers would find this kind of thing acceptable?

George Orwell got it all wrong. Big Brother is a god damn capitalist.
 
2013-06-13 05:45:10 PM

Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.


You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.
 
2013-06-13 05:47:07 PM
"One" is a stupid identifier for the third generation of a product.
 
2013-06-13 05:50:07 PM

bugontherug: It really is the camera that's the nail in the coffin. Who wants to knowingly invite a big corporation into your home to spy on you with a camera.A camera that can almost read your mind so it can send data back to headquarters where their marketers use the information to learn how to better manipulate you?


The NSA would have a field day with immediate access to the heart rates and emotional stability of everyone in the room.
 
2013-06-13 05:50:23 PM
I guess since it's "digital" maybe "zero" was the only other option.
 
2013-06-13 05:51:23 PM

MrSteve007: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.

Because computers never get spyware or hacked and have their webcams remotely activated . . .


I don't have a / need a webcam for my computer to work. Spyware is easily managed, and I can use my PC offline if I want.

Next!
 
2013-06-13 05:54:22 PM
Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?
 
2013-06-13 05:54:27 PM

Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.


So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?
 
2013-06-13 05:58:12 PM

frepnog: Egoy3k: miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.

They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.

My store bought DVD of the Pc version of Fallout New Vegas is nothing more than a steam client and the encrypted Steam files for the game.  You can not install the game PERIOD without connecting to Steam and logging into an account.  My 6-cd version of Half-Life 2 (bought Day One) is pretty much the same farking deal.  Right now, my internet connection refuses to connect to Steam.  I have never been able to install the New Vegas game.


Disable window's firewall.
 
2013-06-13 05:58:59 PM

ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.

Worked for the original Wii.


It is going to be tough to do at a $500 price point.

Same with the media box angle. $500 is going to be too high to be ubiquitous in that make.
 
2013-06-13 06:01:46 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: bugontherug: It really is the camera that's the nail in the coffin. Who wants to knowingly invite a big corporation into your home to spy on you with a camera.A camera that can almost read your mind so it can send data back to headquarters where their marketers use the information to learn how to better manipulate you?

The NSA would have a field day with immediate access to the heart rates and emotional stability of everyone in the room.


It's an old link, but it kind of  makes one wonder if that's been the plan all along.    Microsoft Exec appointed to DHS

/kidding...
//sort of...
///still not buying one.
 
2013-06-13 06:01:57 PM

soporific: I am a lifelong gamer and I have never wanted a console less than I've not wanted the Xbox One. And I'm really enjoying what appears to be Microsoft's condescending attitude towards those who raise reasonable concerns about the new model. It's a real winner and a great PR strategy, because nothing makes me want a console more than being mocked and condescended to about not wanting their console.


THIS
 
2013-06-13 06:07:23 PM

Cheater71: Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?


It's not the be-all and end-all of my Xbox experience.  If they had a version $100 cheaper that stripped it out, I'd probably still go for the Kinect bundle because I'm interested to see how it gets rolled into the new stuff, but it's not #1 on my priority list.  That it's there isn't a negative to me, like it apparently is for what looks like a large percentage of the seething masses on the internet.

Honestly, I think MOST of this outrage stems from the fact that MS is doing something completely different in the console space.  Taking away trade-ins, I imagine, is a major sticking point for a TON of people that label themselves hard-core gamers.  Everything else, from the 24-hour ping (which for people with spotty or no internet is an obvious DO NOT BUY) to the Kinect is just extra fuel for the waaaaaambulance everyone's riding in.  And one thing I've noticed about tech types, myself included, is that change is ALWAYS scary and there's always serious pushback  In November everyone's going to be too busy dicking around with thier PS4s and Xbones to remember what all the hoopla was about back in June.

And that's okay, because whenever the internet gets this fired up over toys, it's always a tempest in a teapot.
 
2013-06-13 06:08:39 PM

Burning_Monk: frepnog: Egoy3k: miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.

They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.

My store bought DVD of the Pc version of Fallout New Vegas is nothing more than a steam client and the encrypted Steam files for the game.  You can not install the game PERIOD without connecting to Steam and logging into an account.  My 6-cd version of Half-Life 2 (bought Day One) is pretty much the same farking deal.  Right now, my internet connection refuses to connect to Steam.  I have never been able to install the New Vegas game.

Disable window's firewall.


i have.  man i have done everything, I can't get steam to connect.  It has been driving me crazy.  I think it is something with Verizon but I am not sure.  I can't connect to BattleNet either.  Everything else works fine.
 
2013-06-13 06:16:18 PM

thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."


Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since


Did you stop reading at the word "fail" or something?
 
2013-06-13 06:17:01 PM

Coboc: Cheater71: Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?

It's not the be-all and end-all of my Xbox experience.  If they had a version $100 cheaper that stripped it out, I'd probably still go for the Kinect bundle because I'm interested to see how it gets rolled into the new stuff, but it's not #1 on my priority list.  That it's there isn't a negative to me, like it apparently is for what looks like a large percentage of the seething masses on the internet.

Honestly, I think MOST of this outrage stems from the fact that MS is doing something completely different in the console space.  Taking away trade-ins, I imagine, is a major sticking point for a TON of people that label themselves hard-core gamers.  Everything else, from the 24-hour ping (which for people with spotty or no internet is an obvious DO NOT BUY) to the Kinect is just extra fuel for the waaaaaambulance everyone's riding in.  And one thing I've noticed about tech types, myself included, is that change is ALWAYS scary and there's always serious pushback  In November everyone's going to be too busy dicking around with thier PS4s and Xbones to remember what all the hoopla was about back in June. the Xbone at all.

And that's okay, because whenever the internet gets this fired up over toys, it's always a tempest in a teapot.


FTFY
 
2013-06-13 06:20:26 PM

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?


Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.
 
2013-06-13 06:24:14 PM

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Yep, like the slow erosion of our rights. We'll give in because it isn't AS BAD as originally thought. Right...
 
2013-06-13 06:26:40 PM

inertcorkhair: "One" is a stupid identifier for the third generation of a product.

images.tvrage.com
One is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.  Two can be as bad as one, it's the loneliest number since the number one, ahhhhhh.
 
2013-06-13 06:26:57 PM

Coboc: Cheater71: Coboc:...So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

I love how this is the best Microsoft can hope for. Do they really think the "meh" crowd is enough for them to profit?

It's not the be-all and end-all of my Xbox experience.  If they had a version $100 cheaper that stripped it out, I'd probably still go for the Kinect bundle because I'm interested to see how it gets rolled into the new stuff, but it's not #1 on my priority list.  That it's there isn't a negative to me, like it apparently is for what looks like a large percentage of the seething masses on the internet.

Honestly, I think MOST of this outrage stems from the fact that MS is doing something completely different in the console space.  Taking away trade-ins, I imagine, is a major sticking point for a TON of people that label themselves hard-core gamers.  Everything else, from the 24-hour ping (which for people with spotty or no internet is an obvious DO NOT BUY) to the Kinect is just extra fuel for the waaaaaambulance everyone's riding in.  And one thing I've noticed about tech types, myself included, is that change is ALWAYS scary and there's always serious pushback  In November everyone's going to be too busy dicking around with thier PS4s and Xbones to remember what all the hoopla was about back in June.

And that's okay, because whenever the internet gets this fired up over toys, it's always a tempest in a teapot.


It's too early to really tell how this will ultimately affect sales for the xbox but there are some legitimate complaints on the part of consumers, particularly with privacy concerns over the kinect camera, the higher price point that only provides functionality that most users don't need or want and the DRM/ownership of copies of games. Ultimately these things will probably have limited impact on most users experience using the xbox but are you willing to trade away your rights simply because it isn't convenient or almost as bad put up with that extra level of inconvenience just so Microsoft can make a little more money?
 
2013-06-13 06:29:15 PM

Carn: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

Only if you forgot to stock up on beer.


This is a valid argument.  Generator can easily run a fridge, an AC, a TV, and my Xbox.
 
2013-06-13 06:29:45 PM
While I hate the idea that the XBone needs to phone home daily.  I seriously doubt it will do so on its own.  What it will almost certainly do is check in on boot and as long as your system is setup to log in automatically you won't notice it until you or MS suffers a major outage.
 
2013-06-13 06:39:44 PM

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?


Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.
 
2013-06-13 06:42:18 PM

Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?

Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.


You know I have tried to type a reasonable and calm response to this post three times and had to delete what I had and start over each time.  There really is no way to respectfully explain how wrong you are and I can see that you are a vet so I'd rather not be disrespectful. Maybe some other kind Farker can explain what a 'ping within the last 24 hours' service is and how it works. All I will say is that you have made some very paranoid assumptions and that you are wrong about how the system that has been described by Microsoft works.
 
2013-06-13 06:44:17 PM

jtown: Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.

I think e-books are working just fine for my libary.  I rent myself up several e-books and audio books a month through them.


But the ownership/licensing fights going on behind the scenes are brutal.  It has not been a good model for libraries.  At all.
 
2013-06-13 06:51:29 PM

Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.


I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband.  I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.
 
2013-06-13 06:51:47 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-13 06:53:02 PM

Nefarious: While I hate the idea that the XBone needs to phone home daily.  I seriously doubt it will do so on its own.  What it will almost certainly do is check in on boot and as long as your system is setup to log in automatically you won't notice it until you or MS suffers a major outage.


But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

Seriously, people got pissed to high heaven and back when Diablo 3 and SimCity were plagued (and still are) with their server issues that locked people out of their games.  Now, picture that, but with an entire console.  BONUS: Microsoft's "Come at me, bro" attitude has no doubt already attracted the hackers, including Anonymous.  I know we like to think that people are fickle about matters like this, but they aren't that fickle.  November ought to be real fun once the server attacks start.  Yep, they're coming.  Hell, they're to be expected at this point, the way Microsoft has been Leeroy Jenkins'ing their way through this mess.

The Xbox One is an entire battalion of bad ideas, all concentrated and enriched with weapons-grade stupid.  Microsoft has to know this.  But instead of either trying to fix the problems or even mitigate them, they've chosen to go to maximum derp.  Mattrick's comments finally soured me completely on the idea of even considering their new system.  At this rate, it's going to take a RADICAL turnaround from the company in order to get me to even consider buying another product from them again.
 
2013-06-13 06:54:34 PM

Coboc: scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.


Shill much?
 
2013-06-13 06:54:59 PM

YoOjo: LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.

Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?


They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently.  Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.
 
2013-06-13 06:56:18 PM

Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.


1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.
 
2013-06-13 06:57:52 PM

Off2403: They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently. Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.


they cleared that up today.  he misspoke.  it is still in development, is not on hiatus.
 
2013-06-13 06:58:30 PM
Voiceofreason01:

I don't see anything, except the possible hardware failure of the Kinect before the main box as a problem.  My Steam Library is enormous, and there's a ton of stuff I never, ever, touch and maybe I could trade them in except...no, I can't and haven't ever been able to.  In fact, I've never traded any of my console games either because the $5 or $8 EB offers only to turn around and sell it at $45-50 actually offends me.  It's the same reason I never buy games used, plus I like the devs to get a piece of the pie.  So my "right" to get rid of my games is something I've never excercised and do see myself using.  If anything, I like the portability of my library, I like that I won't have mountains of coasters on my coffee table, I like that if I want a game on day-1 I won't have to run to a store...I work nights, so that's a big plus for me.  I see nothing but positives from how they plan on handling content for how I comsume it.  I know there are others who are the exact opposite, or idealogically opposed or just plain ornery and like to whine.
The 24-hour check-in is moot because most of what I play is either with my buddies online or against perfect strangers online.  Even when I'm playing a Fallout or a Skyrim, it's rare that I'm not in party chat with someone from my friends list.  My ISP is solid, and I lose power maybe 1-3 times a year for a few hours, barring a massive catastrophe.  I don't travel with my console but even if I did I could do the call-home using my mobile as a hotspot.
I'm not chomping at the bit to take advantage of the Kinect, but I can see it coming in handy for a few games as a tool to help with immersion, and I'm not terribly worried about the data-mining or other problems having a camera in my living room poses.

I cover everything?
 
2013-06-13 07:02:47 PM

Coboc: Voiceofreason01:

I don't see anything, except the possible hardware failure of the Kinect before the main box as a problem.  My Steam Library is enormous, and there's a ton of stuff I never, ever, touch and maybe I could trade them in except...no, I can't and haven't ever been able to.  In fact, I've never traded any of my console games either because the $5 or $8 EB offers only to turn around and sell it at $45-50 actually offends me.  It's the same reason I never buy games used, plus I like the devs to get a piece of the pie.  So my "right" to get rid of my games is something I've never excercised and do see myself using.  If anything, I like the portability of my library, I like that I won't have mountains of coasters on my coffee table, I like that if I want a game on day-1 I won't have to run to a store...I work nights, so that's a big plus for me.  I see nothing but positives from how they plan on handling content for how I comsume it.  I know there are others who are the exact opposite, or idealogically opposed or just plain ornery and like to whine.
The 24-hour check-in is moot because most of what I play is either with my buddies online or against perfect strangers online.  Even when I'm playing a Fallout or a Skyrim, it's rare that I'm not in party chat with someone from my friends list.  My ISP is solid, and I lose power maybe 1-3 times a year for a few hours, barring a massive catastrophe.  I don't travel with my console but even if I did I could do the call-home using my mobile as a hotspot.
I'm not chomping at the bit to take advantage of the Kinect, but I can see it coming in handy for a few games as a tool to help with immersion, and I'm not terribly worried about the data-mining or other problems having a camera in my living room poses.

I cover everything?


www.startrek.com

Your training collar is working well, #7.
 
2013-06-13 07:06:13 PM

frepnog: Off2403: They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently. Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.

they cleared that up today.  he misspoke.  it is still in development, is not on hiatus.


Excellent, although I'm still considering it on hiatus until there's a release date.  As long as the end product is as good as their PS2 offerings it'll be worth the wait.
 
2013-06-13 07:07:35 PM

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.


The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.
 
2013-06-13 07:09:24 PM

Clutch2013: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.

The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.


By that logic the current requirement of having a disc in the console is the 'everyone is a potential thief' argument as well.
 
2013-06-13 07:11:05 PM

RatMaster999: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

No...all the womyn are standing behind the fat guy...


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

We do not concern ourselves with Console Troyan pigs.
 
2013-06-13 07:13:56 PM

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: But that's the problem.  It shouldn't need to.

1)Buy a bunch of games
2)author them to one system
3)Sign in to XBL on another system
4)Install the games on that system
5)disconnect second system from the internet
6)free games

That's just one reason I can think of for the requirement.

The "everyone is a potential thief" argument.  Cute.

By that logic the current requirement of having a disc in the console is the 'everyone is a potential thief' argument as well.


You're not right, but that won't stop you anytime soon.  Carry on.
 
2013-06-13 07:16:01 PM

Off2403: frepnog: Off2403: They're supposed to be working on The Last Guardian, but it was announced 4 years ago for the PS3 and is now on hold, apparently. Hopefully they can get it done for the PS4.

they cleared that up today.  he misspoke.  it is still in development, is not on hiatus.

Excellent, although I'm still considering it on hiatus until there's a release date.  As long as the end product is as good as their PS2 offerings it'll be worth the wait.


honestly I still figure it might never come out.  They have missed an entire console generation - the longest console generation yet, at that.  Ico and Shadow are fantastic and I bought both Day One (still have my PS2 connected thru component cables JUST to occasionally play Shadow) but yeah, no matter what they say I am skeptical about LG ever releasing.  It might just be the new DNF.
 
2013-06-13 07:16:59 PM
DRM has never stopped piracy before... But it will now, because, for the first time ever, it is DIGITAL!!!

Grants on coming up with a fancy new punishment for paying customers, though.
 
2013-06-13 07:18:46 PM

Dragonflew: thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since

Did you stop reading at the word "fail" or something?


Meant how was it failing. I thought it was a massive success in 04/05 with hl2. Turns out I missed the year of beta outrage cs players had.
 
2013-06-13 07:21:24 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


Because if we wanted steam we would get steam? If we want a console we get a console? Pretty simple
 
2013-06-13 07:21:50 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Shill much?


Nice, but no...I'd probably use alot more corporatese like "Microsoft is leveraging their dynamism!" and "provides intense community involvement" and somesuch.

I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features.  To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on.  Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

Sorry?
 
2013-06-13 07:22:39 PM
Coboc:
I cover everything?

You really killed the crap out of those strawmen that you lined up.
 
2013-06-13 07:24:19 PM

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


That has been my theory on the last few United States presidents. I'm still waiting for the "only halfway lame" part........
 
2013-06-13 07:32:54 PM

Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.


i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.
 
2013-06-13 07:37:08 PM
Good news everyone!

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-06-13 07:42:32 PM

Dragonflew: "This all gets unlocked because of digital."

What a farking tool. What does he think "digital" means?


Oooooh, that's what it is.

He meant, "digital distribution".

Well probably, that's only one sentence of context, so I'm guessing here.

The xbone still sucks.
 
2013-06-13 07:46:26 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


you punks will give in anyways, you always do
stop feeding the market trolls and we might actually regain some ground on the consumer side
/but that'll never happen because consumers suck
 
in
2013-06-13 07:57:55 PM
Just putting my $.02 in that I will officially not buy another xbox, and I presently own one of each.  PS4, how you doin?
 
2013-06-13 07:57:55 PM

Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

[pbs.twimg.com image 542x416]


What a load of suck.  And I'm not even a loyalist.  I think video games are awesome and fun, no matter what your preferred platform is*.

*excluding virtual boy, jaguar, sega cd, sega 32x, 3d0, and any other consoles compiled from ass
 
2013-06-13 08:00:47 PM

Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: Egoy3k: Aigoo: DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]

This. That offline for 24 hours bit is kind of an issue for anyone who lives in any area that gets the following:

Hurricanes
Blizzards
Hurricane-Blizzards (superstorm Sandy comes to mind)
Ice Storms
Tornadoes (like two EF-5s hitting the same metro less than two weeks apart)
Earthquakes
Floods
Tsunamis
Volcanic Eruption (hey, it can happen! I was alive for Mt. St. Helens...)
Comcast, Cox, Verizon FIOS, AT&T, Time Warner


So, basically, if you live anywhere in the US, including Hawaii or Alaska, you are farked. Lose power or internet for 24 hours, no XBox. Yes, Micro$oft thought that through thoroughly, didn't they?

Generally when you experience a natural disaster you have bigger problems than getting your farking xbox to work.

You're right. I'm still pulling tree limbs out of the roof. Not the point, jackass, and you know it. So I will spell it out in little words your tiny mind can comprehend:

Once you get all the bad things cleaned up and the nice men come and get your power and interwebs back on, you still won't be able to play your XBox because the bad men at XBox won't let you because you didn't have 'lectricity or interwebs for all that time.

Is that better? Or do I need to GIS a picture for you? Dumbass.

So once you have internet you won't be able to play because you don't have internet? You don't actually believe this do you?

Well, let's see... as they've explained it thus far... no internet for 24 hours, no playing. Are you asking if I trust Micro$oft not to institute some kind of "reconnect" fee? Are you drunk? It is after 5 here...

Do I think they will absolutely cut off service? No.

Do I think they will charge a fee before letting you play again? Oh, you better farking believe I do.

You know I have tried to type a reasonable and calm response to this post three times and had to delete what I had and start over each time.  There really is no way to respectfully ex ...


Here's the deal: what I've been reading says "ping within last 24 hours."

What we've been through here in the last three weeks? That's farking laughable. Because guess what? We've had areas here that, yep, we've got generators (some of us do anyway), but some places... no internet service for a week or so. There will be no ping for several days and I do not trust Microsoft to handle that appropriately. See, that's what happens when two EF5 tornadoes and several smaller ones (some of which aren't even listed on the NWS site yet) come rolling through your city. You're telling me that I--we--should trust Microsoft. I'm telling you that I do not trust Microsoft--nor do I have (really, no one does) a single valid reason to do so. In fact, when I worked in television, I worked with them once. Being from the Seattle area, I've had friends who worked for them. I actually have more reason than most not to trust Microsoft. You go ahead and trust them if you like--it's your $500. I didn't earn it, it's not mine to spend and I have no right to tell you how to spend it.

Bottom line is that I do not like their proposed business model, I do not wish to give them my money for them to tell me how I am required to use hardware and software I have purchased, and this shiat does not fly with me. It's not about 'new hardware' or changes to the way consoles are, it's not even about 'always online,' because a PC is always online (though it's not required to ping back once a day or be cut off from any service whatsoever). It's about the implication that, once I purchase something, it still belongs to them and they can take possession of it--via electronic means--anytime they wish and 'brick' it if I don't want to play the way they think I should.

NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.
 
2013-06-13 08:01:03 PM

frepnog: Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.


Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to but an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.
 
2013-06-13 08:02:38 PM

Cheater71: frepnog: Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.

Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.


ftfm
 
2013-06-13 08:07:26 PM

Cheater71: Cheater71: frepnog: Coboc: I like Xbox's exclusives more, I like the way all my gadgets talk to each other now and I expect that'll get better with the next-gen features. To me, Sony's offering the same thing they made a mess of last generation with prettier visuals. I have serious doubts about their ability to deliver on the online side of things because PSN is garbage when it comes to matchmaking, parties and so on. Bully for them if they change it for the better, but I happen to think MS has it down now, and that's a big part of what I do with my console.

i can find no fault here.  I have owned all of the consoles, and even now that I am a strictly PC only gamer I would still probably buy the xbone was I planning on purchasing one of the new consoles.  PSN sucks ass.  I am totally soured on Sony's ability to provide decent online capabilities.

Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.

ftfm


Is it bad that I read that as "Xbone"?
 
2013-06-13 08:11:42 PM

Aigoo: Is it bad that I read that as "Xbone"?


Isn't that what it's called?
 
2013-06-13 08:11:51 PM

Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

[pbs.twimg.com image 542x416]


is traveling with your xbox a thing?
 
2013-06-13 08:12:29 PM

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


Wouldn't it be nifty if they engineered a game to be carried around on media and then you have to use a web interface to access it? Takes away the whole download problem.
 
2013-06-13 08:14:28 PM

wambu: But can it play Quake?

/then go home


This
 
2013-06-13 08:14:30 PM

Cheater71: Just keep trying to earn that check marketing guys. You haven't convinced anyone to but an Xboxone and i doubt you ever will.


I don't wanna convince anyone.  Buy what you think is best if you plan on getting a new console.
 
2013-06-13 08:24:38 PM

Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!


Yeah, fark Microsoft. They're doing an exceptionally effective job of pushing me back into Sony's corner - a spot I'm not completely sure I want to be in.
 
2013-06-13 08:45:50 PM

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


OH!  Dilettante!  Punch cards not good enough for ya!
 
2013-06-13 08:55:51 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


I hate Steam.

Its introduction actually dramatically changed the way I play. Cut down the number of hours/week, too, so that may have been a good thing.
 
2013-06-13 08:57:56 PM
www.goodgame.hr
 
2013-06-13 08:58:57 PM

skullkrusher: is traveling with your xbox a thing?


Traveling with the PS2 was a thing.  You're bored, you're in a hotel, you've got RCA cables and the TV's got RCA jacks, bing-bang-boom you're business trip has an impromptu Guilty Gear tournament.  Or just plowing through a jrpg if that's your style.  Whatever.   I realize a lot of folks have the issue of their console becoming entrenched and entangled in the rat's nest of cables in the entertainment center, but if you barely even HAVE a home because 6+ months of the year you're at extended-stay hotels doing contractor-work (or something like it) it becomes a lot more normal to make space in your luggage for a console and just keep the cables and connectors out where you can get at 'em.
 
2013-06-13 08:59:48 PM

Sgt.Zim: I hate Steam.

Its introduction actually dramatically changed the way I play. Cut down the number of hours/week, too, so that may have been a good thing.


you actually let an optional service affect how you game?  it isn't like steam is the only way to buy\play pc games you know.

/steam is pretty great.
 
2013-06-13 09:00:19 PM

soporific: (Duck Tales is awesome and still kicks my ass.)


Capcom is doing releasing a DuckTales remake this year, and will use all the original voice actors from the cartoon in the game. I can't wait.
 
2013-06-13 09:02:02 PM
Well this certainly doesn't help ANY OF THE COMPLAINTS EVER.

I'm guessing this console generation is sorta like an intelligence test:

People who don't mind their rights being trampled on, being treated like criminals, having their property rights nullified at the whim of corporate overlords, and being spied on whenever the govt decides to (see the Prism case already being pushed for evidence of the NSA being able to order companies to never reveal when they've sold you out even if the company wants to), and having their purchases and game libraries being completely nullified when the next console gen starts (you think those verification servers will stay up long when the Xbone2 comes out?  HAH!) will all buy the Xbone1.

  People who actually want a console to be a farking CONSOLE still, keep their property rights, NOT be spied on, and be treated like they have any goddamn worth by the producer of the hardware will go PS4.

Xbone lovers, I hope you enjoy being sold cheap and dirty like a crackhouse whore.  OH wait, not 'cheap' cause you are PAYING EXTRA!
 
2013-06-13 09:02:58 PM

TheBigJerk: skullkrusher: is traveling with your xbox a thing?

Traveling with the PS2 was a thing.  You're bored, you're in a hotel, you've got RCA cables and the TV's got RCA jacks, bing-bang-boom you're business trip has an impromptu Guilty Gear tournament.  Or just plowing through a jrpg if that's your style.  Whatever.   I realize a lot of folks have the issue of their console becoming entrenched and entangled in the rat's nest of cables in the entertainment center, but if you barely even HAVE a home because 6+ months of the year you're at extended-stay hotels doing contractor-work (or something like it) it becomes a lot more normal to make space in your luggage for a console and just keep the cables and connectors out where you can get at 'em.


i have always taken a console when I travel.  Hell, I had the 360 with me when I took my kids on vacation to a cabin on a lake once.  No internet, but we sure did play some Halo and rock band.  I even bought an adapter that lets me plug the composite input into it and it outputs an rf signal so I knew I could hook the think up anywhere I went (never found an old style rf adapter for the 360).
 
2013-06-13 09:03:32 PM
I sincerely hope that NOBODY buys EITHER of them.
 
2013-06-13 09:03:34 PM

TheBigJerk: skullkrusher: is traveling with your xbox a thing?

Traveling with the PS2 was a thing.  You're bored, you're in a hotel, you've got RCA cables and the TV's got RCA jacks, bing-bang-boom you're business trip has an impromptu Guilty Gear tournament.  Or just plowing through a jrpg if that's your style.  Whatever.   I realize a lot of folks have the issue of their console becoming entrenched and entangled in the rat's nest of cables in the entertainment center, but if you barely even HAVE a home because 6+ months of the year you're at extended-stay hotels doing contractor-work (or something like it) it becomes a lot more normal to make space in your luggage for a console and just keep the cables and connectors out where you can get at 'em.


ah if you are on the road a lot for work and hotels become more like a home, then I guess that makes sense. I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though
 
2013-06-13 09:06:33 PM

skullkrusher: I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though


i have found that having a console along when traveling keeps me out of trouble.
 
2013-06-13 09:07:59 PM

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


Took me 4 days to download Max Payne 3 for steam. They are ignoring a lot of customers that don't have decent broadband available. The only broadband we have at home is satellite and it's got too much lag to game online.
 
2013-06-13 09:08:09 PM

Clutch2013: Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

Yeah, fark Microsoft. They're doing an exceptionally effective job of pushing me back into Sony's corner - a spot I'm not completely sure I want to be in.


Well there's a third option... you could drop the consoles entirely and go PC gaming master race.  It's better over here.

But seriously, if you are sticking with consoles, go PS4.  Atm Sony is the only game in town with decent hardware (lookin at you WiiU) and any shred of a heart left for the customers.  I honestly was pleasantly suprised that they announced that they will NOT allow online pass style DRM from third party publishers at all... who would have thought SONY of all companies would stand up for the little guy?
 
2013-06-13 09:12:07 PM

frepnog: skullkrusher: I'd probably just drink a lot (more) though

i have found that having a console along when traveling keeps me out of trouble.


hehe I can imagine. My hotel bar bills would be ridiculous
 
2013-06-13 09:13:15 PM

Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.


Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.
 
2013-06-13 09:13:25 PM
well since it sounds like bringing a disc to your buddies and popping it in for some fun multiplayer is a no go with the licensing screw xbox.
They moved far enough away from 4 player local on the old system enough to make me and my buddies dislike it.
They want only online social content and expect everyone to have no life outside their own house.
 
2013-06-13 09:16:42 PM
"This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Isn't that exactly what Microsoft also said about Windows 8?
 
2013-06-13 09:18:42 PM

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


Just got introduced to Steam less than a year ago....it is pretty sweet. I've built up a nice collection based entirely on sales, particularly from the holidays. Borderlands 2, Assassins Creed Brotherhood, Just Cause 2 (incredible open world game), Far Cry 2....each just around $5.

Hell I just bought Borderlands 2 a few weeks ago for only $12. I want to be a console guy, but Valve keeps pulling my cheap ass back in.
 
2013-06-13 09:18:59 PM

TheBigJerk: Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.

Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.


All good points.  Here's another one in the same vein:  What happens when the Xbone2 comes out 5 or 6 years from now?

Is MS gonna keep paying to keep the Xbone1's activation/authentication servers up?  Can you keep buying games?  Or within the first 6 months are they gonna say "Backwards compatibility is just backwards" again and turn off those servers, bricking EVERY xbone1?  At least Steam doesn't have a new generation of Steam come out every 5 or 6 years, so as long as they keep turning profit their servers will stay up.

PS4, you don't have to worry about that.
 
2013-06-13 09:21:54 PM

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


i predict a hack/fix being out for the spycam within 24 hours of release
 
2013-06-13 09:26:57 PM

lotus: "This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Isn't that exactly what Microsoft also said about Windows 8?


It is the same level of disaster.
 
2013-06-13 09:35:32 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Coboc: scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.

Shill much?


He's been shilling like the rents 3 months late and he's paid on commission.

/Ask me how I know that you didn't read the thread.
//Cancelled my Xbone order - got a PS4 instead.
///Micro$oft blew it by acting like Kingpin Pusher in Crack Ho Alley.
 
2013-06-13 09:37:30 PM
I kinda want a PS4 because of all the various neat looking games coming out, most involving zombies.

/interested to find out how that Bungie game turns out - because it looks good and has the voice of Peter Dinklage in it.
 
2013-06-13 09:42:01 PM

thecpt: Meant how was it failing. I thought it was a massive success in 04/05 with hl2. Turns out I missed the year of beta outrage cs players had.


Ah, yeah. Steam had a pretty rough start, but I love it now.  But if I want a Steam model, I will use Steam. I don't want my console to try to be Steam, especially imposing digital-download-like restrictions on physical media.

The PS4 still feels like a console to me, which is why I'll be getting one of those. And I will continue to game on PC, really looking forward to the Steam Summer Sale next month!

(Not a Sony fanboy, the 360 was my console of choice last round, didn't buy a PS3, and still don't trust Sony after the whole rootkit thing)
 
2013-06-13 09:46:55 PM
This is why I prefer PC games. I can easily pirate PC games.

Some time ago I pirated some antivirus software and it turned out all my pirated software had viruses in it! I was like WTF!
 
2013-06-13 09:50:31 PM

Egoy3k: Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.

I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband.  I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.


Ohhh... so because you don't have a problem, nobody does? That's some sound logic there, sport.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:37 PM

Drew Hates Boobies: He's been shilling like the rents 3 months late and he's paid on commission.


I've already been properly chastised for voicing my opinion.  Gotta love how pointing out details that everyone is either ignoring or is simply willfully ignorant of makes me a shill.  It's this thing I do, when I'm reading up on something, where I, y'know, check for facts and not just take random internets opinions as gospel and try to share that information when people keep spreading rumor and speculation.

/I know, I know, welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-06-13 09:59:51 PM
A Dwarf Fortress charges at the XBox!
An XBox One looks surprised by the ferocity of Dwarf Fortress's onslaught!
The Dwarf Fortress collides with the XBox One!
The XBox One is knocked over and tumbles backwards!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A Dwarf Fortress enters a martial trance.
A Dwarf Fortress punches an Xbox One in the lower body, bruising the muscle and bruising the guts!
An XBox One looks sick!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A kitten has become enraged!
The XBox One falls over.
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress bites a Playstation 4 on the upper left leg, tearing apart the muscle and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
The XBox One attacks a kitten but she jumps away!
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress shakes the Playstation 4 around by the upper left leg, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
A kitten bats the XBox One in the Kinect, tearing the casing and bruising the sensor!
A Dwarf Fortress punches the Playstation 4 in the head, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing the brain!
The Playstation 4 has been struck down.
A kitten bites the XBox One in the head, tearing apart the skin and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
A kitten latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress leaves a martial trance.
A kitten shakes around the XBox One by the head, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
The XBox One has been struck down.
 
2013-06-13 10:09:15 PM

Coboc: Aigoo: Is it bad that I read that as "Xbone"?

Isn't that what it's called?


You just know someone in MS marking was hoping it would be nicnamed Xbown
 
2013-06-13 10:10:43 PM

MadSkillz: I kinda want a PS4 because of all the various neat looking games coming out, most involving zombies.

/interested to find out how that Bungie game turns out - because it looks good and has the voice of Peter Dinklage in it.


Just get a computer for DayZ standalone
 
2013-06-13 10:21:53 PM

frepnog: Sgt.Zim: I hate Steam.

Its introduction actually dramatically changed the way I play. Cut down the number of hours/week, too, so that may have been a good thing.

you actually let an optional service affect how you game?  it isn't like steam is the only way to buy\play pc games you know.

/steam is pretty great.


It's not optional for Modern Warfare 2, which is where I was introduced to it, and gave up on it.

Admittedly, Steam isn't MW2's only problem, it's more of "the straw that broke the camel's back".
 
2013-06-13 10:26:27 PM

TheBigJerk: Aigoo: NOW do you understand my issue?

For what it's worth, I'm one of many who refuses to buy any Adobe product past CS6 for the same reason. I do not rent products that cost that amount of money and I find it absurd that anyone else would.

Your abusive language probably isn't helping sell your point.

Also, you're going for the hypothetical instead of the sure thing.  The way it's advertised (and probably the way it does, in fact, work) is if your box can't phone home it won't work until it can.  The moment it CAN you're back in business.  No problem, no fuss, no muss.

The ACTUAL problem, which has already happened with the xbox 360 and the PS3 is that servers go down.   PS online was down for 24 DAYS, because they got hacked and were too incompetent to have a back-up plan.  And even if the servers stay up perfectly, which NONE of the major consoles have a good track record on, you are still farked royalcore if you want to play a game more than 2 years old.  Any game that has to "phone home" to work (like a number of games, and more than one in-box DLC pack I actually own right farking now) will eventually lose its servers (see the extra characters for Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just to pull a personal example out).

Prince of Persia (3?) was set up to phone home every time your character opened a loading-screen (I mean door) and until Ubisoft decided, out of the goodness of their hearts, to release a patch that undid the DRM it just didn't work when they shut down their 3 year-old servers (well, moved the servers to other products).  All the EA Sportballz gamez that bros play already take down last year's servers to force the Bros to re-buy the same farking game, and they're geared up to do it with the new simcity.

These things aren't "going to happen" or "could happen" they've already farking happened and are continuing to farking happen.


Welcome to the joy of "Software as a Service".  You don't own the software, or even a right to use it; you're just renting the privilege of using it, until the Publisher (yes, I capitalized that intentionally) decides it's no longer profitable to continue to allow you to use it.

"Here, use the 'New and Improved' version!"
 
2013-06-13 10:27:20 PM

Sgt.Zim: t's not optional for Modern Warfare 2, which is where I was introduced to it, and gave up on it.


I suppose you should have been playing it on Xbox Live, where it was meant to be played then.

/the only games I have in my steam account that are also console games are Left 4 Dead and Portal.
 
2013-06-13 10:28:02 PM

Cpl.D: A Dwarf Fortress charges at the XBox!
An XBox One looks surprised by the ferocity of Dwarf Fortress's onslaught!
The Dwarf Fortress collides with the XBox One!
The XBox One is knocked over and tumbles backwards!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A Dwarf Fortress enters a martial trance.
A Dwarf Fortress punches an Xbox One in the lower body, bruising the muscle and bruising the guts!
An XBox One looks sick!
A Playstation 4 attacks a Dwarf Fortress but he jumps away!
A kitten has become enraged!
The XBox One falls over.
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress bites a Playstation 4 on the upper left leg, tearing apart the muscle and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
The XBox One attacks a kitten but she jumps away!
The XBox One retches.
A Dwarf Fortress latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress shakes the Playstation 4 around by the upper left leg, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
A kitten bats the XBox One in the Kinect, tearing the casing and bruising the sensor!
A Dwarf Fortress punches the Playstation 4 in the head, jamming the skull through the brain and tearing the brain!
The Playstation 4 has been struck down.
A kitten bites the XBox One in the head, tearing apart the skin and bruising the bone through the (black plastic casing)!
A kitten latches on firmly!
A Dwarf Fortress leaves a martial trance.
A kitten shakes around the XBox One by the head, and the severed part sails away in an arc!
The XBox One has been struck down.


that was awesome but Dwarf Fortress sucks :)
 
2013-06-13 10:40:41 PM

frepnog: Sgt.Zim: t's not optional for Modern Warfare 2, which is where I was introduced to it, and gave up on it.

I suppose you should have been playing it on Xbox Live, where it was meant to be played then.

/the only games I have in my steam account that are also console games are Left 4 Dead and Portal.


I really enjoyed it on ps3. However that last cod really really sucked, and I'm not too psyched about ghost
 
2013-06-13 10:53:56 PM

skullkrusher: that was awesome but Dwarf Fortress sucks :)


I disagree.  I will state my reasons.

1.) As far as gameplay over graphics go, there is no higher standard.
2.) While it does not have a learning curve so much as a learning precipice, the challenge has its rewards, and there are even guides out now that'll hold your hand as you take your first dwarfy steps.
3.) The brothers who make this game aren't doing it at boardroom direction.  They are unconcerned with what is popular and what is considered as "what works now".  For them, it is a labor of love.  Nothing else.
4.) There is always, ALWAYS a new way of doing something mundane.  Sometimes it'll work.  Sometimes your tanner will lose his mind, tear the arm off an ox, and beat his fellow dwarves with it.  Yes, this can and has happened.
5.) You can load one thousand spears into a minecart, and rig the track so it crashes head on with another stationary cart, catapulting all one thousand spears at horrifying speed, impaling everything in the way.
6.) You can kill a bronze colossus by beaning it with a fluffy wambler, if you're good enough.
7.) You never have to press "A" to save the industry.
8.) Each dwarf has his or her own AI and will react to things in differing, sometimes amusing ways.  I had a dragoon militia dwarf who always left his foe alive, but wouldn't leave until he put out his foe's left eye.  Yes, always the left eye.  He fought a foe once that only had one central eye.  He stood there for most of a day, thinking.  Then he put the eye out and then finally left.
9.) Elfin caravans bring you cloth and wood to trade, and throw a hissy fit if you try to trade them something made from wood.  Also, you can kill them.  Also, you can lure them into a trap, flood a room with magma, encasing them in obsidian.
10.) You make and place a cage trap.  You catch a grizzly bear.  You domesticate it.  Then train it into a war bear.  Then you re-cage it, put the cage into a minecart, and with the flip of a level you rocket that cage right into the midst of a human platoon during a siege.  The cage breaks on impact and the war bear is loose.  Seven humans die before the bear does.
11.) Your dwarf can choose a pet.  Except cats.  Cats choose their own "owners", and hilariously they tend to pick dwarves that hate cats.  Yes, cats are dicks.
 
2013-06-13 11:07:22 PM
On further consideration...

12.) Combat is modelled down so minutely that calculates the damage the skin, tendon, muscle, bone, or nerve of a single finger on your foe takes.
13.) Everything is procedurally generated.  Each world you make has a history, where cities rise and fall.  It can make some awesome stories.  (click show-spoilers at end of Boobies)
14.) Your dwarves have their own mind.  Sometimes those minds are weird, and express their ideas in weird ways.  Engravers pick their own images to put into walls, which you can examine.  Sometimes, it's the death of a historical figure important to them.  Sometimes they'll commemorate the savage beating of a grudge at the hands of your cities' "Hammerer".  ... and sometimes, you'll get buckets, dwarves around buckets, and screaming dwarves standing around buckets.
15.) It doesn't matter where you cite your fortress.  You can support yourself with industry somehow.  90% of the stuff you can make you won't make in every fortress.  The options are there for differing environs.
16.) Even when your fortress fails (and it will), the noteable events that happened there are added to the lore and your next fortress might have a wall engraved with the electing of a mayor of the old town, or a marriage between two noteable dwarves engraved on an item.
17.) Tantrum spirals.  What's a tantrum spiral?  Let's say you have a fortress with a population of one hundred and fifty-eight dwarves.  One is unhappy for whatever reason, and he demolishes a statue.  Now, defacing someone else's work is a crime.  Your dwarf is convicted and sentanced to five whacks delivered by your Hammerer.  (Yes, that's dwarf justice.  No jail times.  Only number of whacks.)  He breaks a few ribs, and now he's seriously pissed.  He fights with the guards and he's killed.  Suddenly the family of the ex-dwarf start tantruming, and start a brawl.  Someone's pet cavy sow gets killed.  They tantrum.  A huge brawl breaks out in your dining hall.  The guards move in and someone dies.  They start tantruming.  Five minutes later your fortress of one hundred and fifty-eight dwarves becomes a blood soaked hellhole populated by seven dwarves and one hundred and fifty-one corpses.  Four are catatonic and die of dehydration.  Two run around gibbering in madness, and the last one decides now is a good time to make some soap.
18.) LOSING IS FUN!
 
2013-06-13 11:09:12 PM

fireclown: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I prefer my video games in punch card format.

That lacks the warmth and gentile hiss of cassette drive loaded gaming.


Personally I like my games on 8 track that way it forces me to finish the game before I can start again. That way i get my money out of it

/xbox is done for
 
2013-06-13 11:30:19 PM

Clutch2013: Burning_Monk: Good news everyone!

Yeah, fark Microsoft. They're doing an exceptionally effective job of pushing me back into Sony's corner - a spot I'm not completely sure I want to be in.


Sony will lube you up, MS just wants to drysmash your shiatbox.
 
2013-06-13 11:43:09 PM

Cpl.D: On further consideration...

12.) Combat is modelled down so minutely that calculates the damage the skin, tendon, muscle, bone, or nerve of a single finger on your foe takes.
13.) Everything is procedurally generated.  Each world you make has a history, where cities rise and fall.  It can make some awesome stories.  (click show-spoilers at end of Boobies)
14.) Your dwarves have their own mind.  Sometimes those minds are weird, and express their ideas in weird ways.  Engravers pick their own images to put into walls, which you can examine.  Sometimes, it's the death of a historical figure important to them.  Sometimes they'll commemorate the savage beating of a grudge at the hands of your cities' "Hammerer".  ... and sometimes, you'll get buckets, dwarves around buckets, and screaming dwarves standing around buckets.
15.) It doesn't matter where you cite your fortress.  You can support yourself with industry somehow.  90% of the stuff you can make you won't make in every fortress.  The options are there for differing environs.
16.) Even when your fortress fails (and it will), the noteable events that happened there are added to the lore and your next fortress might have a wall engraved with the electing of a mayor of the old town, or a marriage between two noteable dwarves engraved on an item.
17.) Tantrum spirals.  What's a tantrum spiral?  Let's say you have a fortress with a population of one hundred and fifty-eight dwarves.  One is unhappy for whatever reason, and he demolishes a statue.  Now, defacing someone else's work is a crime.  Your dwarf is convicted and sentanced to five whacks delivered by your Hammerer.  (Yes, that's dwarf justice.  No jail times.  Only number of whacks.)  He breaks a few ribs, and now he's seriously pissed.  He fights with the guards and he's killed.  Suddenly the family of the ex-dwarf start tantruming, and start a brawl.  Someone's pet cavy sow gets killed.  They tantrum.  A huge brawl breaks out in your dining hall.  The guards mo ...


I don't have the patience to learn this absurd game but I enjoyed the farking hell out of your 2 posts on the topic. Well done, sir
 
2013-06-13 11:50:07 PM
skullkrusher: I don't have the patience to learn this absurd game but I enjoyed the farking hell out of your 2 posts on the topic.  Well done, sir

You do have the patience, and yes it is absurd.  But absurd in the most awesome way possible.  There's a link to a book on amazon.com that teaches you how to get up and running.  I bought it, despite having played Dwarf Fortress for well over a year, and it still taught me some stuff.  Alternatively, there are free options, such as this list.

I don't play Dwarf Fortress to win.  There is no winning and cannot be.  There are only varying delays towards the inevitable loss.  The reason I DO play is because even after a year I'm still surprised how things turn out, and especially enjoy seeing how the inevitable end comes.  Immolation by dragon?  Infestation by vampire dwarves?  Poisoning?  Forgotten beast rampage?  Irate god that some crossbow wielding dwarf shot at?  Digging too greedily and too deep?  Starvation?  Trauma?  Psychosis?  Military invasion?  Military invasions?

... carp?
 
2013-06-13 11:53:46 PM
After a cursory examination, this may be a the best starter guide, as it comes with a download save so you can follow along.  And it even seems to sport a tileset.
 
2013-06-14 12:04:12 AM

Cpl.D: On further consideration...

12.) Combat is modelled down so minutely that calculates the damage the skin, tendon, muscle, bone, or nerve of a single finger on your foe takes.
13.) Everything is procedurally generated.  Each world you make has a history, where cities rise and fall.  It can make some awesome stories.  (click show-spoilers at end of Boobies)
14.) Your dwarves have their own mind.  Sometimes those minds are weird, and express their ideas in weird ways.  Engravers pick their own images to put into walls, which you can examine.  Sometimes, it's the death of a historical figure important to them.  Sometimes they'll commemorate the savage beating of a grudge at the hands of your cities' "Hammerer".  ... and sometimes, you'll get buckets, dwarves around buckets, and screaming dwarves standing around buckets.
15.) It doesn't matter where you cite your fortress.  You can support yourself with industry somehow.  90% of the stuff you can make you won't make in every fortress.  The options are there for differing environs.
16.) Even when your fortress fails (and it will), the noteable events that happened there are added to the lore and your next fortress might have a wall engraved with the electing of a mayor of the old town, or a marriage between two noteable dwarves engraved on an item.
17.) Tantrum spirals.  What's a tantrum spiral?  Let's say you have a fortress with a population of one hundred and fifty-eight dwarves.  One is unhappy for whatever reason, and he demolishes a statue.  Now, defacing someone else's work is a crime.  Your dwarf is convicted and sentanced to five whacks delivered by your Hammerer.  (Yes, that's dwarf justice.  No jail times.  Only number of whacks.)  He breaks a few ribs, and now he's seriously pissed.  He fights with the guards and he's killed.  Suddenly the family of the ex-dwarf start tantruming, and start a brawl.  Someone's pet cavy sow gets killed.  They tantrum.  A huge brawl breaks out in your dining hall.  The guards move in and someone dies.  They start tantruming.  Five minutes later your fortress of one hundred and fifty-eight dwarves becomes a blood soaked hellhole populated by seven dwarves and one hundred and fifty-one corpses.  Four are catatonic and die of dehydration.  Two run around gibbering in madness, and the last one decides now is a good time to make some soap.
18.) LOSING IS FUN!


Well, this isn't the most ridiculous thing I've ever read.

It does make an outstanding play for the top 10, though.
 
2013-06-14 12:21:44 AM
Incredible.

Microsoft wanting to center their business model around the "get paid forever" concept.

Then, trying to cross the Orwellian threshold with Kinect.

And if it wasn't bad enough, now they're trying to control what you do with the games and content you buy.

I'm so glad to be switching to Linux soon. Fark this farking farkload of shiat.
 
2013-06-14 12:37:21 AM
who the hell needs a new console when there are kids starving in Appalachia??
 
2013-06-14 12:37:55 AM

frepnog: Sgt.Zim: t's not optional for Modern Warfare 2, which is where I was introduced to it, and gave up on it.

I suppose you should have been playing it on Xbox Live, where it was meant to be played then.

/the only games I have in my steam account that are also console games are Left 4 Dead and Portal.


Yeah,  let's not turn this into a console v. PC war.  Agreed, it was written for a console, which is why the controls are all stupid.

Suffice it to say, I play on PC, and will stay here.  Steam on PC has yet to show me anything redeeming.
 
2013-06-14 01:05:14 AM
Sgt.Zim:Suffice it to say, I play on PC, and will stay here.  Steam on PC has yet to show me anything redeeming.

The sales are reason enough for me.  That, and it's nice being able to lose a computer via fire or data loss or meteor strike or something, and being able to load steam on the next computer and have all my games there. And not worry about scratched discs or where the hell I put the game keys.
 
2013-06-14 01:16:29 AM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: who the hell needs a new console when there are kids starving in Appalachia??


Well I need something to do to take my mind off their plight
 
2013-06-14 01:30:36 AM
i will be buying the ps4. that is all.
 
2013-06-14 01:32:09 AM

Cpl.D: Sgt.Zim:Suffice it to say, I play on PC, and will stay here.  Steam on PC has yet to show me anything redeeming.

The sales are reason enough for me.  That, and it's nice being able to lose a computer via fire or data loss or meteor strike or something, and being able to load steam on the next computer and have all my games there. And not worry about scratched discs or where the hell I put the game keys.


Trade-offs are trade-offs for a reason.

I'd rather risk losing the physical media than be permanently tied and dependent on a third party, and their whim.
 
2013-06-14 02:02:11 AM

theBigBigEye: Cpl.D: Sgt.Zim:Suffice it to say, I play on PC, and will stay here.  Steam on PC has yet to show me anything redeeming.

The sales are reason enough for me.  That, and it's nice being able to lose a computer via fire or data loss or meteor strike or something, and being able to load steam on the next computer and have all my games there. And not worry about scratched discs or where the hell I put the game keys.

Trade-offs are trade-offs for a reason.

I'd rather risk losing the physical media than be permanently tied and dependent on a third party, and their whim.


See my other mini-rant about SaaS ... Or, in other words:  "This".
 
2013-06-14 02:12:50 AM
Well, I can see if they had a track record of malfeasance.  But I don't know a single person who has had a problem with Steam.  Do we pitch them under the bus just because of something they might do?
 
2013-06-14 03:58:29 AM
The fact that Microsoft was one of the companies directly involved with the PRISM program...
The fact that the Xbox One requires a camera to view you before you can use the system...
The fact that the camera can't be shut off, other than completely powering off the system which is discouraged...
The fact that Microsoft will require you to be online 24/7...
The fact that Microsoft filed for patents to snoop around your room, identify objects, and specifically advertise to you...
The fact that Microsoft intends to include ads as a basic part of their system...
The fact that ex Microsoft execs work for DHS...

So, basically it's a device to watch you in your house, 24/7, recording information about what you have, what your heart rate is when interacting with said objects, and sharing that all with the NSA.

Monkeyboy finally found a novel revenue stream!
 
2013-06-14 04:34:19 AM

Egoy3k: Pitabred: Tell me... how quickly does Comcast get to you when your Internet's out? Because I've never had them schedule anything less than a week or so out, unless you're a business customer. Who cares why it's out... it's not always restored promptly. Which is a fairly significant concern when it's got a 24 hour window. Say the Internet goes out after you head to work and you don't discover it until you get home, there's a large portion of your 24 hours eaten up, and you haven't even scheduled a repair visit, a guy who may or may not show up in the next week. Hope it's not a weekend that the outage occurred.

I don't even live in the same country as you, let alone have the same ISP as you. My ISP hasn't been down when I had power in the ten years that I have been paying for broadband.  I don't agree with the ping once every 24 hours thing. I stated up thread that it is 'bullshiat' but it's not even 10% as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.  It's a bullshiat requirement and I hope MS listens to consumers on and gets rid of it but I can completely understand why a company that lets you share your game library with your friends might want to you to call home to ensure that you don't duplicate your entire library on a friends box and then never plug in again so they have them indefinitely.




Hey look.. Somebody whose Internet connection hasn't gone down once in ten years doesn't understand why people would have a problem with having to be always on.

Moron.
 
2013-06-14 05:11:13 AM
Its funny how Microsoft thinks that having a locked down console is going to open up more options than Sony's unrestricted PS4...
 
2013-06-14 06:03:10 AM
Why are people complaining about the whole internet connection thing on the XBone? This is the 21st century! I live in America! I use Century Link and happen to live in the inner city and am fully confident in their abili

++NO CARRIER++
 
2013-06-14 08:17:54 AM

Alonjar: Hey look.. Somebody whose Internet connection hasn't gone down once in ten years doesn't understand why people would have a problem with having to be always on.

Moron.


how many people that are complaining that they don't want a console to be "always on" have had a dvr that requires a telephone line or internet connection to be plugged in at all times?
 
2013-06-14 08:31:39 AM

frepnog: Alonjar: Hey look.. Somebody whose Internet connection hasn't gone down once in ten years doesn't understand why people would have a problem with having to be always on.

Moron.

how many people that are complaining that they don't want a console to be "always on" have had a dvr that requires a telephone line or internet connection to be plugged in at all times?


With a DVR, at least you still have a physical media. With X-One here, you're practically at M$'s mercy when it comes to game content you buy. That $60 game you bought today won't be there to play from the cloud 30 years from now like, say, my NES games I grew up with.
 
2013-06-14 08:55:53 AM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: who the hell needs a new console when there are kids starving in Appalachia??


On the off chance you're not trolling...name one.

Just one.

Poverty in the US /= starvation, as a rule.
 
2013-06-14 09:15:46 AM
Everybody calm the fark down. If you don't like the "Always on" aspect of the Xbone M$ has still got you covered.

Microsoft Solution
 
2013-06-14 09:17:11 AM

theBigBigEye: With a DVR, at least you still have a physical media. With X-One here, you're practically at M$'s mercy when it comes to game content you buy. That $60 game you bought today won't be there to play from the cloud 30 years from now like, say, my NES games I grew up with.


first off - whut?

second off - i don't know.  for one thing, I don't personally really seriously play 30 year old games that often.  On the other hand, I bought Half Life at retail in 1998.  When Half Life 2 came out it included Steam (the first version) and allowed me to register my Half Life code.  It has been 15 years since Half Life came out.  I can RIGHT NOW install steam on any computer I want and the install and play Half Life.

Some of you people are really grasping at straws here.  Physical media as a delivery platform for software is dying.  There is really no getting around it.  Piracy and the secondary market have directly led to this.  Don't know what else to tell you.

I suppose you will get it when Sony starts releasing  highly anticipated first party PS4 titles as a PSN exclusives.

/no one is seriously crying about the ongoing death of the CD or DVD.  People on fark are all the time talking about how they hate plastic discs.  And yet here we are pretending that console video games are somehow different.
 
2013-06-14 09:20:09 AM

th0rr: Everybody calm the fark down. If you don't like the "Always on" aspect of the Xbone M$ has still got you covered.

Microsoft Solution


yeah we know, buy a 360.

It isn't a bad option, you know.  Stellar graphics, fantastic library of existing games, full Xbox Live support if you choose.

/this holiday season will be pretty funny.  I still expect PS3 and X360 to outsell the new consoles.
 
2013-06-14 09:35:19 AM

frepnog: th0rr: Everybody calm the fark down. If you don't like the "Always on" aspect of the Xbone M$ has still got you covered.

Microsoft Solution

yeah we know, buy a 360.

It isn't a bad option, you know.  Stellar graphics, fantastic library of existing games, full Xbox Live support if you choose.

/this holiday season will be pretty funny.  I still expect PS3 and X360 to outsell the new consoles.


You just might be right.
 
2013-06-14 09:38:06 AM

th0rr: frepnog: th0rr: Everybody calm the fark down. If you don't like the "Always on" aspect of the Xbone M$ has still got you covered.

Microsoft Solution

yeah we know, buy a 360.

It isn't a bad option, you know.  Stellar graphics, fantastic library of existing games, full Xbox Live support if you choose.

/this holiday season will be pretty funny.  I still expect PS3 and X360 to outsell the new consoles.

You just might be right.


some of the best games ever made are coming out on the current platforms.  Why WOULDN'T they sell well?

/launch titles for new consoles almost always suck.  Take RYSE for instance.  It looks fantastic.  It also looks like it plays like total crap.
 
2013-06-14 09:44:06 AM
I currently own a Xbox and a Xbox 360. Yes the old Xbox still gets some use. The thing I don't get is how the these added features to the new Xbox console is in any way a benefit. As a straight up consumer I just see something that is more expensive with a lot of unnecessary added restrictions. Some of which can affect the ability to use the console at all under certain conditions. Conditions that can easily arise.

Since I don't have any specific love for any brand exclusive titles this whole thing is a no go. It seems M$ might want to reconsider putting their corporate desires over consumer needs. Just saying.
 
2013-06-14 10:09:29 AM
A guy at the office is thrilled by the Xbox One AND the Playstation 4. He's getting both. He's buying the Xbox One just because of the new Killer Instinct game. All the talk about always on internet reselling games activation blah blah... he just wants the new Killer Instinct game!  He doesn't even make that much money, he just really likes that game. Just goes to show, there is a market demo that doesn't care about trading games and internet privacy and will throw money at the TV for a thing they know they like. Go figure.

 Myself, I'm saving money for the Occulus RIFT and a complete  PC rebuild when Star Citizen comes out.
 
2013-06-14 10:22:32 AM

thecpt: remus: But is it Hi Fi?

It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo


Well played sir, well played.  You recieve one internets.
 
2013-06-14 10:38:19 AM
CSB:
During my last deployment, my 360 sh*t the bed. I bought a PS3 and never looked back. During that same deployment, I bought Dawn of War II. Couldn't play without being connected to Games for Windows. I emailed them from my office and explained my situation. Their response was "Thanks for contacting us. You're required to be online to play." We are deploying again next year, and I will be bringing my PS4 with me. Microsoft can suck it.
 
2013-06-14 10:40:24 AM

drop: "An error occured cancelling automatic renewal "

(navigates to support, only option is "receive a phone call."  Clicks link)

404.

[img.pandawhale.com image 640x480]


Yeah, anyone who's ever gone through the hell that is trying to cancel your Xbox LIVE account will probably have a different opinion of the service.
 
2013-06-14 10:50:14 AM

Slybri: He's buying the Xbox One just because of the new Killer Instinct game. All the talk about always on internet reselling games activation blah blah... he just wants the new Killer Instinct game!


I....  "hangs head in shame" I want it to.  The Killer Instinct fanboy in me squealed like a little girl when I saw it.

/wouldn't mind having the "DAY ONE" achievement either.

//bastards know how to hook me

///seriously want to play Infamous Second Son as well, tho.  I mean like "SHUTUPANDTAKEMYMONEY.jpg".
 
2013-06-14 10:51:36 AM

DiabloCanyonOne: Yeah, anyone who's ever gone through the hell that is trying to cancel your Xbox LIVE account will probably have a different opinion of the service.


i never had any trouble cancelling.
 
2013-06-14 11:29:20 AM
Games should go back to cartridges.  Then I could still blow into them and be the only one that knows how to get games to work on my XboxOne.

I own a 360.  Not gonna upgrade for at least a year.  I don't care about the online checking or used game crap.  Used games are hardly ever that much cheaper than a new one.  I don't "steal" games, so I have nothing to hide.

For me, it's gonna be about exclusive games for each system.  IMO, I think Sony is winning out in this area.  Last of Us looks so damn awesome and I can't play it!  Plenty of time before now and when I go to buy for both systems to make changes.

Steam requires you to check in too.  It's just every 30 days, if I recall correctly.  Xbox would be wise to do something like that, not everyday.

We'll see.
 
2013-06-14 11:39:34 AM

frepnog: theBigBigEye: With a DVR, at least you still have a physical media. With X-One here, you're practically at M$'s mercy when it comes to game content you buy. That $60 game you bought today won't be there to play from the cloud 30 years from now like, say, my NES games I grew up with.

first off - whut?

second off - i don't know.  for one thing, I don't personally really seriously play 30 year old games that often.  On the other hand, I bought Half Life at retail in 1998.  When Half Life 2 came out it included Steam (the first version) and allowed me to register my Half Life code.  It has been 15 years since Half Life came out.  I can RIGHT NOW install steam on any computer I want and the install and play Half Life.

Some of you people are really grasping at straws here.  Physical media as a delivery platform for software is dying.  There is really no getting around it.  Piracy and the secondary market have directly led to this.  Don't know what else to tell you.

I suppose you will get it when Sony starts releasing  highly anticipated first party PS4 titles as a PSN exclusives.

/no one is seriously crying about the ongoing death of the CD or DVD.  People on fark are all the time talking about how they hate plastic discs.  And yet here we are pretending that console video games are somehow different.


Yeah, that's what happens when you post shortly after waking up. I was thinking of DVD players, although in some cases you could still use physical CD medium with DVRs.

But anyway, not all games may be able to authenticate online after install, or at least considering typical Microsoft behavior in the past; if they want you to upgrade, they will easily find a way to *make* you.

If a game is no longer popular and/or profitable, they can just as easily pull the plug on it and tell you "fark you, play something else (for $70)." Of course, not all SaaS companies may behave this way, but why would you want to give them that kind of power?
 
2013-06-14 11:47:25 AM
Hey, remember when microsoft last had a "cloud based service," MSN Music?
Remember when they decided to decommission their servers, and it revoked the DRM keys for every single purchase any customer had?
Remember when none of the music clients could no longer play any of the music because there weren't any servers to phone home to?

Oh, and microsoft didn't reimburse anyone. Imagine spending a grand on games only to find out 2 days later that they've decided to shut down the servers on their end. Your box can no longer "check in," it can't "phone home," and none of your games are playable. I have no reason to believe they won't do it, because they've done it before.

Now think about your NES which is still playable.
 
2013-06-14 11:48:26 AM

theBigBigEye: If a game is no longer popular and/or profitable, they can just as easily pull the plug on it and tell you "fark you, play something else (for $70)." Of course, not all SaaS companies may behave this way, but why would you want to give them that kind of power?


I simply don't think they will.  There is money in them thar hillz, and old games being available digitally is just the way of the future.  Hell, it is the way of the NOW, stuff like Nintendo's virtual console has games going back forever.  I dunno.
 
2013-06-14 11:50:25 AM

scubamage: Hey, remember when microsoft last had a "cloud based service," MSN Music?
Remember when they decided to decommission their servers, and it revoked the DRM keys for every single purchase any customer had?
Remember when none of the music clients could no longer play any of the music because there weren't any servers to phone home to?

Oh, and microsoft didn't reimburse anyone. Imagine spending a grand on games only to find out 2 days later that they've decided to shut down the servers on their end. Your box can no longer "check in," it can't "phone home," and none of your games are playable. I have no reason to believe they won't do it, because they've done it before.

Now think about your NES which is still playable.


comparing a music service that was destined to fail in the face of iTunes is quite different than Xbox Live.  They are a market leader in gaming.  They had no damn chance in the music biz, like most every other service pretty much that isn't iTunes.
 
2013-06-14 12:11:09 PM

frepnog: scubamage: Hey, remember when microsoft last had a "cloud based service," MSN Music?
Remember when they decided to decommission their servers, and it revoked the DRM keys for every single purchase any customer had?
Remember when none of the music clients could no longer play any of the music because there weren't any servers to phone home to?

Oh, and microsoft didn't reimburse anyone. Imagine spending a grand on games only to find out 2 days later that they've decided to shut down the servers on their end. Your box can no longer "check in," it can't "phone home," and none of your games are playable. I have no reason to believe they won't do it, because they've done it before.

Now think about your NES which is still playable.

comparing a music service that was destined to fail in the face of iTunes is quite different than Xbox Live.  They are a market leader in gaming.  They had no damn chance in the music biz, like most every other service pretty much that isn't iTunes.


And Sega was a market leader in 1994. Before them were Commodore, Amiga, and Atari. All were market leaders in gaming, and they all fell over time. But you know what? You can still play their games on those systems. Do you think Microsoft will care? Do you think they'll keep their servers running?

That's the real question - it doesn't matter if they're a leader now or not, because eventually they won't be. When that time rolls around in 5, 10 years, what happens to your content? Based on prior performance, they'll cut you off, say thanks for playing, and laugh as it goes up in a puff of smoke. It doesn't matter that MSN Music was a music provider, what's important is how they treated their customers. They decided to screw them over (instead of, say, offering DRM free copies of the music they'd purchased a license to).

Their upper level management hasn't changed (though they are doing a re-org now), so the mentality at the top hasn't changed. They are, as a company, perfectly happy to screw you.

You could say the same thing about steam, but all of my steam games are playable offline so as long as I maintain that gaming rig, my games remain playable.
 
2013-06-14 12:57:48 PM

scubamage: frepnog: scubamage: Hey, remember when microsoft last had a "cloud based service," MSN Music?
Remember when they decided to decommission their servers, and it revoked the DRM keys for every single purchase any customer had?
Remember when none of the music clients could no longer play any of the music because there weren't any servers to phone home to?

Oh, and microsoft didn't reimburse anyone. Imagine spending a grand on games only to find out 2 days later that they've decided to shut down the servers on their end. Your box can no longer "check in," it can't "phone home," and none of your games are playable. I have no reason to believe they won't do it, because they've done it before.

Now think about your NES which is still playable.

comparing a music service that was destined to fail in the face of iTunes is quite different than Xbox Live.  They are a market leader in gaming.  They had no damn chance in the music biz, like most every other service pretty much that isn't iTunes.

And Sega was a market leader in 1994. Before them were Commodore, Amiga, and Atari. All were market leaders in gaming, and they all fell over time. But you know what? You can still play their games on those systems. Do you think Microsoft will care? Do you think they'll keep their servers running?

That's the real question - it doesn't matter if they're a leader now or not, because eventually they won't be. When that time rolls around in 5, 10 years, what happens to your content? Based on prior performance, they'll cut you off, say thanks for playing, and laugh as it goes up in a puff of smoke. It doesn't matter that MSN Music was a music provider, what's important is how they treated their customers. They decided to screw them over (instead of, say, offering DRM free copies of the music they'd purchased a license to).

Their upper level management hasn't changed (though they are doing a re-org now), so the mentality at the top hasn't changed. They are, as a company, perfectly happy to s ...


i get what you are saying, and it rolls back to what i have said before - piracy (and the secondary market) have led directly to what we are seeing.  The content provider needs to find someway to protect the content.  On disc DRM doesn't work.  Key codes don't work.  Taking the physical media out of the picture, and giving you content that you can only access via an online connection works.  Did everyone think that the content providers were just always going to sit back and keep letting things like moddable consoles and easily piratable games continue, especially with AAA game development reaching and sometimes surpassing big budget movies?
 
2013-06-14 01:16:22 PM

frepnog: scubamage: frepnog: scubamage

: i get what you are saying, and it rolls back to what i have said before - piracy (and the secondary market) have led directly to what we are seeing.  The content provider needs to find someway to protect the content.  On disc DRM doesn't work.  Key codes don't work.  Taking the physical media out of the picture, and giving you content that you can only access via an online connection works.  Did everyone think that the content providers were just always going to sit back and keep letting things like moddable consoles and easily piratable games continue, especially with AAA game development reaching and sometimes surpassing big budget movies?

"But piracy!" is the laziest excuse there is. This is about control and treating you as a wallet to be drained, and not a consumer. Look at Minecraft, look at people who make good games and realize that "piracy" is sharing, that it's advertising. Yes, encourage people to go legit, but a lot of pirates are packrats who are just collectors, or people who wouldn't buy it anyway, or any number of things that don't translate to direct new sales if you stop piracy, and it also reduces the reach of your media in the meantime.

Read what someone who actually develops and succeeds at selling games has to say about it (I've paid him for his game)

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works
 
2013-06-14 01:33:09 PM

Pitabred: frepnog: scubamage: frepnog: scubamage: i get what you are saying, and it rolls back to what i have said before - piracy (and the secondary market) have led directly to what we are seeing.  The content provider needs to find someway to protect the content.  On disc DRM doesn't work.  Key codes don't work.  Taking the physical media out of the picture, and giving you content that you can only access via an online connection works.  Did everyone think that the content providers were just always going to sit back and keep letting things like moddable consoles and easily piratable games continue, especially with AAA game development reaching and sometimes surpassing big budget movies?

"But piracy!" is the laziest excuse there is. This is about control and treating you as a wallet to be drained, and not a consumer. Look at Minecraft, look at people who make good games and realize that "piracy" is sharing, that it's advertising. Yes, encourage people to go legit, but a lot of pirates are packrats who are just collectors, or people who wouldn't buy it anyway, or any number of things that don't translate to direct new sales if you stop piracy, and it also reduces the reach of your media in the meantime.

Read what someone who actually develops and succeeds at selling games has to say about it (I've paid him for his game)

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works


I have read it.  I agree with most of it.  And what I said stands.  I didn't say it was right, but if you were a content provider and there was a way to get your content out to the public and you could almost be guaranteed that every copy out there was actually purchased, would you not jump for joy?

/figure before long the pirates will crack the encryption on Xbone and there will be modded consoles out there with 500 gig hard drives full of single player games with no need to call in.  Pirates are just good like that.

//say what you like, but the fact is what we are seeing is a direct result of console modding and torrents of newly released games.  Content providers are sick to death of creating a game, having it sell just enough to force them out of business, while hundreds of thousands of illegitimate copies are out in the wild being played but not paid for.  No, I don't believe that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale, but only a fool believes that no sales were lost.  Case in point - myself.  I wanted Doom 3 back when the orignial PC version launched.  I "acquired" an ISO of the game, installed it, beat it, and moved on.  Now, previous to that I had purchased my Id Software games, and had planned to buy Doom 3 - but it was easier to get the ISO at the moment.  They absolutely lost that sale.

/sorry Id.  I did buy the game years later used.

//oh wait.  that was just as bad, wasn't it?
 
2013-06-14 02:14:36 PM

frepnog: Pitabred: frepnog: scubamage: frepnog: scubamage: i get what you are saying, and it rolls back to what i have said before - piracy (and the secondary market) have led directly to what we are seeing.  The content provider needs to find someway to protect the content.  On disc DRM doesn't work.  Key codes don't work.  Taking the physical media out of the picture, and giving you content that you can only access via an online connection works.  Did everyone think that the content providers were just always going to sit back and keep letting things like moddable consoles and easily piratable games continue, especially with AAA game development reaching and sometimes surpassing big budget movies?

"But piracy!" is the laziest excuse there is. This is about control and treating you as a wallet to be drained, and not a consumer. Look at Minecraft, look at people who make good games and realize that "piracy" is sharing, that it's advertising. Yes, encourage people to go legit, but a lot of pirates are packrats who are just collectors, or people who wouldn't buy it anyway, or any number of things that don't translate to direct new sales if you stop piracy, and it also reduces the reach of your media in the meantime.

Read what someone who actually develops and succeeds at selling games has to say about it (I've paid him for his game)

http://notch.tumblr.com/post/1121596044/how-piracy-works

I have read it.  I agree with most of it.  And what I said stands.  I didn't say it was right, but if you were a content provider and there was a way to get your content out to the public and you could almost be guaranteed that every copy out there was actually purchased, would you not jump for joy?

/figure before long the pirates will crack the encryption on Xbone and there will be modded consoles out there with 500 gig hard drives full of single player games with no need to call in.  Pirates are just good like that.

//say what you like, but the fact is what we are seeing is a direct result of console modding and torrents of newly released games.  Content providers are sick to death of creating a game, having it sell just enough to force them out of business, while hundreds of thousands of illegitimate copies are out in the wild being played but not paid for.  No, I don't believe that 1 pirated copy = 1 lost sale, but only a fool believes that no sales were lost.  Case in point - myself.  I wanted Doom 3 back when the orignial PC version launched.  I "acquired" an ISO of the game, installed it, beat it, and moved on.  Now, previous to that I had purchased my Id Software games, and had planned to buy Doom 3 - but it was easier to get the ISO at the moment.  They absolutely lost that sale.

/sorry Id.  I did buy the game years later used.

//oh wait.  that was just as bad, wasn't it?


Soooo... In other words, you're the gamer companies like Microsoft use to justify treating ALL gamers like thieves. Thanks.

/I only pirate games I'm not sure will run on my computer
//once it's installed and I can see it runs well, I uninstall and buy it off Steam, Amazon, or GoG.
///the only exception to this is Starcraft II
//They'll get my money when they release the whole goddamn game
 
2013-06-14 02:34:15 PM

mooseyfate: Soooo... In other words, you're the gamer companies like Microsoft use to justify treating ALL gamers like thieves. Thanks.


not really.  I never pirated even ONE PS3 or Xbox 360 game.  Never modded my consoles.  Every game I had was a retail purchase, some were used, some were new.  I bought quite a few things off of the Live Marketplace, including Doom, UMK3 and some bullshiat for my avatar.  My point was that acting like piracy doesn't cost sales is foolish and naive and acting like publishers should not try their damndest to keep people from stealing their content is just outright stupid.  I get why the market is going the way it is - and it is completely OUR fault, and that is just the way it is.

Is it arrogant for MS to say "get over it"?  Yep.  But we are going to have to do just that.

/I "got over it" with steam.  I can get over it with this.

//just wait until the PS4 is actually available and let's see just how much like MS they become.  PSN exclusives are going to get commonplace.
 
2013-06-14 03:00:49 PM

frepnog: mooseyfate: Soooo... In other words, you're the gamer companies like Microsoft use to justify treating ALL gamers like thieves. Thanks.

not really.  I never pirated even ONE PS3 or Xbox 360 game.  Never modded my consoles.  Every game I had was a retail purchase, some were used, some were new.  I bought quite a few things off of the Live Marketplace, including Doom, UMK3 and some bullshiat for my avatar.  My point was that acting like piracy doesn't cost sales is foolish and naive and acting like publishers should not try their damndest to keep people from stealing their content is just outright stupid.  I get why the market is going the way it is - and it is completely OUR fault, and that is just the way it is.

Is it arrogant for MS to say "get over it"?  Yep.  But we are going to have to do just that.

/I "got over it" with steam.  I can get over it with this.

//just wait until the PS4 is actually available and let's see just how much like MS they become.  PSN exclusives are going to get commonplace.


Hey, I can "get over it", too. I'll just never buy an XB1. And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.

Sure, I'll be missing out on some great games in the future, but it's not worth contributing to this whole "get paid forever and control EVERYTHING" system that companies and publishers seem hell-bent on pushing.

Yeah, you're right that it's the fault of piracy. It's pretty sad that the encroachment of complete control is going to be the answer to this. I wonder if there would be a way to produce some kind of open-source console that would support both cloud and physical media content models...?
 
2013-06-14 03:40:06 PM

theBigBigEye: And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.


you say that NOW...  until you are visiting someone or demoing in a store and play something that really knocks your socks off, because MAN games are getting INCREDIBLE.

give the new machines a couple years.  I can not WAIT to see what they are going to come up with - it is going to make current gen stuff look like garbage.
 
2013-06-14 04:13:15 PM
Yeah, this isn't going to stop 'piracy' either.  Unless the game is at least partially server side it won't even slow down 'piracy'.

Even then it is possible. Ever hear of WOW private servers?  Yeah...
 
2013-06-14 04:20:23 PM

frepnog: theBigBigEye: And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.

you say that NOW...  until you are visiting someone or demoing in a store and play something that really knocks your socks off, because MAN games are getting INCREDIBLE.

give the new machines a couple years.  I can not WAIT to see what they are going to come up with - it is going to make current gen stuff look like garbage.


Could you be less of a paid shill? Seriously you've been around here for days telling everyone that Sonys the same as Microsoft, and we're all going to just give in and buy the consoles and games no matter what and that we'll love it. Screw you buddy, you haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and you never will.
 
2013-06-14 04:21:29 PM

frepnog: Alonjar: Hey look.. Somebody whose Internet connection hasn't gone down once in ten years doesn't understand why people would have a problem with having to be always on.

Moron.

how many people that are complaining that they don't want a console to be "always on" have had a dvr that requires a telephone line or internet connection to be plugged in at all times?


With a DVR, I don't expect to be able to record shows while not connected.  With a console, I expect to be able to play games I ALREADY OWN when I am not connected. What a stupid comparison.
 
2013-06-14 04:27:13 PM
Don't systems get better as they go up in number? So, won't the Xbox One be complete crap compared to the Xbox 360?
 
2013-06-14 06:10:30 PM

Cheater71: frepnog: theBigBigEye: And if/when Sony decides to follow suit, I'll just not buy anything from them from this generation of gaming and on forward. I'll just stick to games from this current gen and on back.

you say that NOW...  until you are visiting someone or demoing in a store and play something that really knocks your socks off, because MAN games are getting INCREDIBLE.

give the new machines a couple years.  I can not WAIT to see what they are going to come up with - it is going to make current gen stuff look like garbage.

Could you be less of a paid shill? Seriously you've been around here for days telling everyone that Sonys the same as Microsoft, and we're all going to just give in and buy the consoles and games no matter what and that we'll love it. Screw you buddy, you haven't convinced anyone to buy an Xboxone and you never will.


Apparently Microsoft got some paid shills to loudly defend the Xbox One on Reddit.  Why not on Fark as well?
 
2013-06-14 09:50:35 PM

anfrind: Apparently Microsoft got some paid shills to loudly defend the Xbox One on Reddit.  Why not on Fark as well?


Probably more of a free thing, "post good things about us on any website you can find"
/but yeah
 
2013-06-14 10:29:48 PM

th0rr: Everybody calm the fark down. If you don't like the "Always on" aspect of the Xbone M$ has still got you covered.

Microsoft Solution


So basically, M$ is saying "We're not here to sell you a quality product.  We're hear to use you like a pod in the Matrix, to power our money making machine. You are no longer a customer, you are a source of streaming income for us".

fark you M$.
 
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