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(CNN)   Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4   ( cnn.com) divider line
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2013-06-13 01:28:53 PM  
I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.
 
2013-06-13 01:35:45 PM  

Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.


Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.
 
2013-06-13 01:39:26 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.


Worked for the original Wii.
 
2013-06-13 01:51:45 PM  
On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.
 
2013-06-13 01:58:19 PM  
that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.
 
2013-06-13 02:10:06 PM  
Digital is a buzzword used by marketeers.

/Romero reporting
 
2013-06-13 02:13:13 PM  
But is it Hi Fi?
 
2013-06-13 02:13:36 PM  

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


I always suspected you were a hipster.
 
2013-06-13 02:19:39 PM  
And the cost of 'downloaded' games will now be 50% higher due to a new 'convenience fee'.
 
2013-06-13 02:20:39 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I always suspected you were a hipster.


I also only drink the Mexican Nuka Cola with the real cane sugar!
 
2013-06-13 02:26:59 PM  
The Wii, WiiU, Xbox360, Xbox One, PS3, and PS4 give users the ability to purchase and download games. The fact that only one of those systems is sending a hearty vaffanculo to physical media owners is an advantage how exactly?
 
2013-06-13 02:27:12 PM  
"It's digital"

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2013-06-13 02:36:34 PM  
Does it have electrolytes?
 
2013-06-13 02:37:09 PM  
"As you go into a digital world, what's happening is publishers are choosing to have different business models and consumers are saying 'Hey, if I can't resell the title, provide me a different way to get value to get into your game.' And we think the market will be efficient in finding good models that work for consumers."

Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.
 
2013-06-13 02:41:17 PM  
I prefer my video games in punch card format.
 
2013-06-13 02:41:56 PM  
Yes, but is it made made by Germans? Because Germans always make good stuff.
 
2013-06-13 02:44:56 PM  
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2013-06-13 02:49:36 PM  
I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?
 
2013-06-13 02:49:49 PM  
Digital just like UFIA.
 
2013-06-13 02:50:43 PM  

MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?


It helps with load times.
 
2013-06-13 02:51:34 PM  

MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?


It can load textures and levels faster, in some cases.
 
2013-06-13 02:57:58 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


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"See this system here? This is Hi-Fi... high fidelity. What that means is that it's the highest quality fidelity".
 
2013-06-13 03:02:10 PM  

calbert: remus: But is it Hi Fi?

[www.radiohannibal.com image 470x182]

"See this system here? This is Hi-Fi... high fidelity. What that means is that it's the highest quality fidelity".


is that the TK421?
 
2013-06-13 03:11:17 PM  

Aarontology: Marcus Aurelius: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I always suspected you were a hipster.

I also only drink the Mexican Nuka Cola with the real cane sugar!


Well that's only sensible, isn't it?
 
2013-06-13 03:13:52 PM  
"I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

"we've seen the data, the world is full of morons and we're going to keep spoon-feeding them sh*t and getting paid for the privilege."
 
2013-06-13 03:16:01 PM  
But can it play Quake?

/then go home
 
2013-06-13 03:17:01 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?


That's for plants dummy.
 
2013-06-13 03:17:11 PM  
"This all gets unlocked because of digital."

What a farking tool. What does he think "digital" means?
 
2013-06-13 03:17:15 PM  
PC > *
 
2013-06-13 03:17:46 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: I prefer my video games in punch card format.


That lacks the warmth and gentile hiss of cassette drive loaded gaming.
 
2013-06-13 03:18:04 PM  
I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.
 
2013-06-13 03:18:13 PM  
My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.
 
2013-06-13 03:18:37 PM  
It's like Microsoft is purposely doing the complete opposite of everything they should be. Like they said "man, I want to f*ck our company into the ground this generation"


/current 360 user
//PS4 here I come
/Microsoft: take your surveillance device and shove it up your asses
 
2013-06-13 03:19:07 PM  
I read this article earlier and I'm still laughing about it.
Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.
 
2013-06-13 03:19:18 PM  
Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?
 
2013-06-13 03:19:22 PM  
I only use the finest, artisanal gaming systems.
 
2013-06-13 03:19:42 PM  
Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.
 
2013-06-13 03:19:47 PM  
I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon
 
2013-06-13 03:19:50 PM  
It does the cloud too!  Always mention the cloud.
 
2013-06-13 03:20:10 PM  
Xbox One's big advantage? "It's digital" says Microsoft's Chief Marketing Officer, Mr. Constipated Sherlock. Definitely an advantage over the all analog PS4

FTFY subby, you really didn't have to say much else.
 
2013-06-13 03:20:53 PM  

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Are the books and crosswords puzzles video game themed? I am having a hard time understanding what you're saying.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:16 PM  
On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:34 PM  
Those digital "benefits" will be available at launch, but Mehdi hinted that the digital rights management transition might unlock some more interesting game access and distribution methods later on.

Let me stop you right there, Meh.  DRM is the opposite of unlocking.  By its very definition, it locks and restricts the use of digital content.  Digital content distributes just fine without DRM.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:40 PM  

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Trying to "New Coke" a console would be the stupidest, most tone-deaf thing Microsoft could possibly...wait, yep. I bet you're right.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:46 PM  

fastfxr: Can't believe MS is going with this idiotic idea.


My guess is that they've seen what Apple and Google have done with their stores.  Now they want a piece of that action.  Only problem?  Smart Phone/Tablet "apps" /= Console games.
 
2013-06-13 03:21:51 PM  
So is my watch.

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Suck it, Rolex.
 
2013-06-13 03:22:21 PM  
Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck
 
2013-06-13 03:22:47 PM  

thomps: "I think it's fair to say there's a segment of consumers at this show in particular who really pay attention, who are very passionate about all aspects of gaming, and that we listen to closely. In a broader set of community, people don't pay attention to a lot of the details. We've seen it in the research, we've seen it in a lot of the data points."

"we've seen the data, the world is full of morons and we're going to keep spoon-feeding them sh*t and getting paid for the privilege."


That's where the profits are.
 
2013-06-13 03:22:54 PM  
I like my coffee the way I like my XBox games: digital.

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2013-06-13 03:23:18 PM  
maybe it's 100% organic digital?
 
2013-06-13 03:23:46 PM  
Well...looks like ill be buying a PS4...
 
2013-06-13 03:23:49 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


I heard they will be using Dubly to get the proper sound mix.  Also the tubes in the current Xbox are a biatch to swap out.  I hope they got the newer transistors, and a better tube system.

/won't be buying one
 
2013-06-13 03:24:11 PM  

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?
 
2013-06-13 03:24:15 PM  
Eh. Sony already walked back their "No DRM" announcement. And physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.
 
2013-06-13 03:24:16 PM  

Rapmaster2000: It does the cloud too!  Always mention the cloud.


Not just the cloud -- the digital cloud.
 
2013-06-13 03:24:38 PM  

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Sex must seem like a chore to you.  Oh who am I kidding, like this guy has any interest in something as base and unintillectual like sex.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:04 PM  

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:21 PM  

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.

Maybe the execs are looking to buy up absurdly cheap MS stocks when they bottom out.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:23 PM  

Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.


While cleaning up my archives last month, I came across the Descent 2 CD. Could not resist - got it loaded and played for about 20 hours. Good times.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:23 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Yeah I honestly can't explain that.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:24 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


Hayters gonna Hayt.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:50 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: ...physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.

While I don't disagree with you, I think we most likely differ on the time frame for that to occur.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:56 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh
 
2013-06-13 03:26:08 PM  

scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.


I don't think you understand cloud computing.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:10 PM  
Wow...

It's not looking good, and as a .NET developer that kind of sucks.  It's like the worst parts of Apple with none of the cool design.  First they screwed up WPF/Silverlight, then Windows 8 was/is a trainwreck, then they released the Surface (which I still haven't once seen anyone using... do they really exist?), and now this.

What's happened is that MS stopped promoting idea people and started letting Marketing run the company.  They have a nice solid business desktop advantage, but they are mistaken if they think they can hold onto it for long with all this shiat going on.  Mark my words, all those restrictions and crap will lose them a LOT of devs, and no software = fail.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:10 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yeah, ask libraries how well that's worked out for them surrounding e-books.

Fark you, Yusuf Mehdi.


I think e-books are working just fine for my libary.  I rent myself up several e-books and audio books a month through them.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:15 PM  

YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.


Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:35 PM  
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2013-06-13 03:27:37 PM  
PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.
 
2013-06-13 03:27:46 PM  
Digital is better for business models centered around rent-seeking behavior. It's not so good for anything else.
 
2013-06-13 03:27:58 PM  

solaufein: HotWingConspiracy: ...physical media is going away. It's the future, MS is just getting in front of it.

While I don't disagree with you, I think we most likely differ on the time frame for that to occur.


Yeah I can see where they might be jumping the gun. But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.
 
2013-06-13 03:28:12 PM  
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Rock wins.
 
2013-06-13 03:29:15 PM  

LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.


Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?
 
2013-06-13 03:29:34 PM  

Surool: Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.

I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.


 Dude, did you miss the PS3 launch?
 
2013-06-13 03:29:53 PM  
chewielouie:

I lol'd
 
2013-06-13 03:30:00 PM  
Just look at how badly Redbox is doing with so much competition from digital distributors.

My son can play any game from his account that we have installed on the 360 to my account. Thank you Microsoft for making it so I can now have to purchase a separate license. Oh, but now I can lend it to him one time.

Thank you sir. May I have another digital benefit?
 
2013-06-13 03:30:05 PM  

skullkrusher: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck

honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh


On the one hand I can completely understand this on the other a lot opf the people who are upset about this are posting their opining about it from a laptop, tablet or smartphone with a backwards facing camera built in.
 
2013-06-13 03:30:14 PM  

CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.


try gaming on tape drives, it's awesome!
 
2013-06-13 03:30:26 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?


does it contain sodiumbenzoaite ?
 
2013-06-13 03:30:43 PM  
At this point, I believe that Microsoft seems to be down and in need of an ambulance.

/Wii-U Wii-U Wii-U Wii-U...
 
2013-06-13 03:30:45 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


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2013-06-13 03:31:41 PM  
i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.
 
2013-06-13 03:31:41 PM  

YoOjo: LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.

Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?


Ico! That's what I meant. I typed Rez in my post.
 
2013-06-13 03:31:42 PM  

maltedmothball: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Does it have electrolytes?

does it contain sodiumbenzoaite ?


That's good?
 
2013-06-13 03:32:29 PM  

Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.


Lets not kid ourselves people. Sony WILL find ways to piss off their customers. Count on it, it's the only thing they're consistently good at.

That said, they'd have to do something seriously horrid to get down to MS's current standard. I don't even think another month of PSN downtime would do the job.

/If I get into this console generation I'll probably be going PS4. It's not certain because my PS3 is still going strong and there's a big backlog of games for me to play.
 
2013-06-13 03:32:51 PM  

Egoy3k: skullkrusher: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck

honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

On the one hand I can completely understand this on the other a lot opf the people who are upset about this are posting their opining about it from a laptop, tablet or smartphone with a backwards facing camera built in.


that isn't always on though - the kinect cam is, isn't it?
 
2013-06-13 03:32:55 PM  

CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.


The latest newfangled Edison Cylinder....
 
2013-06-13 03:33:15 PM  
Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.
 
2013-06-13 03:33:38 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.


Hell, Apple's been trying to move away from physical media for quite a while now.  First floppies and now optical drives.  I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.  While there is a definite shift away from physical media, I don't think we're there yet.
 
2013-06-13 03:33:50 PM  

you are a puppet: YoOjo: LeoffDaGrate: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Want to know how I know you're lying your ass off?

You're in Fark, in a Video Game thread.

Ha, erm... well...
I used to be a bit of an addict but I managed to stop playing a few years ago. Now I hardly care but the new consoles piqued my interest.
Is there anything on the horizon from the makers of Ico/SotC?

Ico! That's what I meant. I typed Rez in my post.


I'd forgotten how much I loved that game, like totally immersed in it loving it... then I saw Vanishing Waves a few nights ago and one character was playing it and I was right back there.
Made my skin tingle.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:10 PM  
Why is this so hard to understand?  Digital means binary, which is 0's and 1's.  We all know this.  So the Xbox 1 is clearly digital while the PS4 is clearly not.  And don't even get me started on the Wii, those aren't even numbers.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:33 PM  
I'm pretty sure it also has tubes while the PS4 is still using dump trucks.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:43 PM  
PS4:

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Wii U:

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xbone:

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Bf+
2013-06-13 03:34:49 PM  
"This is a big change, consumers don't always love change, and there's a lot of education we have to provide to make sure that people understand."

Translation:  Stupid idiots.  We just need to convince them their wrong.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:50 PM  

eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?


Everything looks better on Laserdisc!!!
 
2013-06-13 03:34:54 PM  

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.
 
2013-06-13 03:35:03 PM  
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2013-06-13 03:35:07 PM  

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


Something like this would likely happen.


/fark seriously needs to increase the size limits for .gifs
 
2013-06-13 03:35:49 PM  

Flappyhead: Surool: Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.

I'm starting to think this too. I can't imagine that with this many people you could screw up every single point of a product specification, launch, and damage control without it being planned this way in advance.

 Dude, did you miss the PS3 launch?


Good point. When MS can screw up a product launch worse than the PS3, you can easily believe this was intentional.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:21 PM  

sid244: eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?

Everything looks better on Laserdisc!!!


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2013-06-13 03:36:22 PM  
Slow news day? It's odd to see this on main page.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:24 PM  
Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:29 PM  

you are a puppet: On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.


Rez HD was released on XBLA several years ago; it's a great upgrade to an already fantastic game. Too bad it won't work on the XBox One.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:40 PM  
Did you see the story about big breasts on the sidebar?

Waaay better
 
2013-06-13 03:37:09 PM  

nburghmatt: i'll stick with my hand crank operated consoles, thank you very much.



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/yeah I had this one.
//and several others too.
///lawn, get off it, etc...
 
2013-06-13 03:37:21 PM  

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!
 
2013-06-13 03:37:33 PM  

ShawnDoc: Marcus Aurelius: Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.

Either that or they're targeting the over-50 market.

Worked for the original Wii.


Well, if that's who they're aiming for that's fine...it also means they just tapped out to the PS4.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:22 PM  
 
2013-06-13 03:38:34 PM  

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.
 
2013-06-13 03:38:48 PM  
"Here we go. Just let it happen. It'll be over soon."
 
2013-06-13 03:38:51 PM  

Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.


I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!
 
2013-06-13 03:39:07 PM  
You have to appreciate the honesty when asked about people who want to play offline, the response was "we have a product like that, it is called the XBOX 360".

How this guy still has a job, I have no idea.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:19 PM  

The_Fuzz: [s3-ak.buzzfeed.com image 605x720]

Rock wins.


Wait until you see how it stacks up against paper?
 
2013-06-13 03:39:26 PM  
Anything that causes discomfort and loss of business for GameStop I'm down with.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:30 PM  
The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

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2013-06-13 03:39:35 PM  

Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!


why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?
 
2013-06-13 03:39:58 PM  
As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:07 PM  

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:16 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo
 
2013-06-13 03:40:19 PM  

Blues_X: I'm fairly certain that they have no idea wtf they are talking about.


I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:39 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: The PS4's load times are ridiculous.

[www.computerhistory.org image 570x380]


I thought that was the Jaguar CD?
 
2013-06-13 03:40:41 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.
 
2013-06-13 03:40:52 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


can I ask why?
 
2013-06-13 03:41:24 PM  

skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?


Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.
 
2013-06-13 03:41:34 PM  
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2013-06-13 03:41:50 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.


Oh hush.
 
2013-06-13 03:42:06 PM  

Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.


but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it
 
2013-06-13 03:42:54 PM  

xsarien: you are a puppet: On ps4 you can digitally play ps2 and 3 games, that's the big advantage for me. I never had ps2 or 3 and I want to play some of those exclusives like Rez.

Rez HD was released on XBLA several years ago; it's a great upgrade to an already fantastic game. Too bad it won't work on the XBox One.


Yeah I realized later I was thinking of Ico.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:04 PM  

Dimensio: I have devised an alternate strategy: I will not purchase an XBox One console. In so doing, I entirely avert the problem of purchasing a camera that I will not use.


[sigh] that does appear to be the solution. too bad. been an xbox guy going way back. i guess i'll stick to the 360 until the new games don't come out on it anymore.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:28 PM  

solaufein: HotWingConspiracy: But if it wasn't them, it would be someone else.

Hell, Apple's been trying to move away from physical media for quite a while now.  First floppies and now optical drives.  I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.  While there is a definite shift away from physical media, I don't think we're there yet.


Netflix figured that out last year when they tried to dump their mail order DVD business.
Until EVERYTHING is online, we need physical media for the stuff that isn't.
 
2013-06-13 03:43:34 PM  

Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.


Poseur. I have it on wax cylinder.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:15 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

I'm honestly more pissed off about Konami throwing David Hayter under the bus for Keifer farking Sutherland than I am about the Xbox One.

"Oh hey guys we have one of the most iconic video game characters of all time who has been voiced by the same guy since video game characters had voices but you know what lets change it up and get that guy from 24 to do our voices."

/I'll end up getting an Xbox One and a PS4 and probably spend more time gaming on my PC anyway
//seriously Konami you suck


I think the key difference between steam and xbone is that steam won its customers over with $5 games and such, whereas the bone will never do that. I remember the anger over steam initially, but valve held up its normal quality. The term Microsoft quality scares people
 
2013-06-13 03:44:29 PM  
Does this mean the PS4 will be a steam punk hand crank punch card gaming machine of awesome?!
 
2013-06-13 03:44:32 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


So pretty much exactly like how this would work if you had two Xbox Ones?
 
2013-06-13 03:44:40 PM  
Finally we're gettin' more digital with our games. They've been reducing the amount of digital for years and nobody's said anything.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:42 PM  

skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?


Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.
 
2013-06-13 03:44:53 PM  

eddievercetti: Can the XBONE play Laserdiscs?


90 minute Maxell cassettes. But only if you break the tabs off first.
 
2013-06-13 03:45:08 PM  

chitlenz: Wow...

It's not looking good, and as a .NET developer that kind of sucks.  It's like the worst parts of Apple with none of the cool design.  First they screwed up WPF/Silverlight, then Windows 8 was/is a trainwreck, then they released the Surface (which I still haven't once seen anyone using... do they really exist?), and now this.

What's happened is that MS stopped promoting idea people and started letting Marketing run the company.  They have a nice solid business desktop advantage, but they are mistaken if they think they can hold onto it for long with all this shiat going on.  Mark my words, all those restrictions and crap will lose them a LOT of devs, and no software = fail.


The new MAC Pro does have a cool design.
 
2013-06-13 03:45:53 PM  

eddievercetti: Lt. Cheese Weasel: As a founding member of the Master PC Gaming race, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.  And I suspect many of you have no idea wtf you're talking aboot.

My PC isn't just digital.  It's Super Digital.

/die console gamer scum.

Oh hush.


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2013-06-13 03:46:10 PM  

skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it


Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.
 
2013-06-13 03:46:47 PM  

chitlenz: CheatCommando: Aarontology: that's why I play Fallout 3 on several thousand vinyl LP's.

I prefer the less newfangled Edison cylinders.

The latest newfangled Edison Cylinder....


That is a thing of beauty.
 
2013-06-13 03:47:24 PM  

boarch: scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.

I don't think you understand cloud computing.


Based on reports, all Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive. This can either be accomplished by installing from the disc, or downloading it. Now some of them say you'll be able to play while installing, but none of them specifiy if you can do this while downloading (which I doubt).
 
2013-06-13 03:48:07 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


I love Steam.  When it first came out I was apprehensive but now I don't buy any games that aren't digital.  I buy stuff 50-75% off during the big sales install one or two for immediate playing then I'm good for 6 months til the next sale.  With FIOS I don't even bat an eye at downloading big games.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:42 PM  

meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.


I can still play my games when Steam launches in Offline Mode.

/which is most of the time, because my wifi is unreliable.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:48 PM  

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


Microsoft has been hosting time limited deep discount sales for months now. They aren't quite as cheap or ubiqutous as steam sales but they have been moving in that direction since Q4 2012.  They have also had older digital games for $5 or $10 since they started offering non XBLA titles for digital distribution.
 
2013-06-13 03:49:10 PM  
MS has gone off the rails lately, for sure.  Big fan of Win7 and even of Win8phone.  Hate Win8Desktop.  Been lovehate with my 360 since the UI update that replaced the blades with the... ads.  PC gamer also.

I've stopped buying games on live and steam (except the el-cheapo $1 - $10 steam sales) after running headlong into the "no refunds" brick wall at both, which is a real pain when coupled with the "no trades" and "no reselling" walls.  Back to disks I went.  MS trying to do the same thing with disks is insane.  What they *should* be doing is all the things PSN and Steam do right, and then do things right that those two do wrong as well.

Like, you know, allowing users to trade *ownership* of their precious digital games without taking a fee, asking the publisher, or even *telling* the publisher.  Having all the games stored in the "cloud" should make this terribly easy to implement and the transfer would be instant.

But they're so busy listening to consumers and putting them first that they aren't going to do this.

And so, goodbye live account, hello ps4 preorder.
 
2013-06-13 03:50:17 PM  
skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:17 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:33 PM  

Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it

Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.


I suppose it really is only an issue for real hardcore gamers. Casual players like myself aren't gonna give a shiat if the games are good
 
2013-06-13 03:52:08 PM  
This gentleman is currently loading the latest version of Final Fantasy onto his analog PS4:

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2013-06-13 03:52:37 PM  

skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon


Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.
 
2013-06-13 03:52:56 PM  
Looks like I'm finally going to have my first Playstation system. The -*only*- way I will buy a system under the new xbox model is if I only have to trade a "license" for the money in exchange for a "license" for the game. Similar to how the game retains no resale value to me, the money retains no spending value to them.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:04 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.


when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:07 PM  

Carth: . If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season


Regardless of Microsoft's consumer-unfriendly policies, it will still be $100 more than the competing console.

Unless they change that, but how would they do that without going far deeper in the red?
 
2013-06-13 03:53:20 PM  

netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.


I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:06 PM  

ZeroPly: Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.

While cleaning up my archives last month, I came across the Descent 2 CD. Could not resist - got it loaded and played for about 20 hours. Good times.


Ah, nostalgia.

I remember wanting that game so badly in the 90's. One day I was in an office depot with my dad and I saw FreeSpace for sale with a free copy of Descent 2 for $10. Had never heard of FreeSpace but hey, Descent 2 for ten bucks!

Turned out I liked FreeSpace much more, and is to this day one of the greatest games I've ever played.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:14 PM  

Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.


ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:50 PM  

Superjew: My theory is they're actually TRYING to make every mistake possible ahead of time so they can release something only halfway lame and redeem themselves at the last moment.


Well since Sony will inevitably to something to fark this up, like tie up half the processing power with DRM or build the console with the worst quality components they could find so that almost every console they release will fail within the first six months, you might have a pretty good theory there.
 
2013-06-13 03:55:06 PM  

AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.


So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?
 
2013-06-13 03:55:16 PM  

Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.


no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book
 
2013-06-13 03:55:33 PM  
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2013-06-13 03:56:18 PM  

lewismarktwo: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

Steam games GO ON SALE.  Microsoft will never sell their games for a fraction of their original cost... ever.


That's not true, most of the games I've purchased via XBL have been on sale.

Plus, the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.
 
2013-06-13 03:57:03 PM  

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


So the comparison is Steam-gamers directly to the XBox  not PC-gamers in general to the XBox?
 
2013-06-13 03:58:34 PM  

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


I can see where Steam or other digital delivery systems would be a super pain in the ass if you had a spotty internet connection.  But steam still lets you buy a boxed game and associate it with your account and then manage through steam if you want.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:36 PM  
I just thank Visnu "Xtreme!!" is no longer a buzz word.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:55 PM  

magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?


Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:55 PM  
Xbox will get some rich casuals interesting in replacing their BD player, 360 and set-top box who have never heard of E3. PS4 will get the hardcore console gamers. Everyone else will stick with the 360/Wii U/PC.

Sony's lawyers always screw up a good thing. Not quite sure how they are going to do it... but it's coming and it will be worse then Xbox One.
 
2013-06-13 03:59:35 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]


I do not understand this pic, but I love it.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: the rep in the article is saying that moving to this model will allow for different pricing.


Unlike the current physical model, where retailers go to jail for charging anything other than $59.99 for a game.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:37 PM  
Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

It isn't so hard to explain. There are a number of benefits and drawbacks associated with digital delivery. Some benefits are for the company, such as no actual physical product to deliver. Some drawbacks are for the company, such as users demanding to use their purchased products on more than one computer (though not at the same time). Some drawbacks are for the company, such as having a harder time explaining why a digital download is worth $60, even four years after a game's release. Some drawbacks are for the consumer, such as having no property rights to a purchase.

With Steam, Valve has balanced their enormous benefit of digital distribution by going out of their way to provide as many benefits to the customer as possible. Sales are common, with midweek madness dropping even relatively new games to 50% off and older titles are often available for a song. They've even worked hard on providing the advantages of physical ownership, allowing the game to be tied to one account, rather than one physical platform. Migrating your game to a new hard drive or new computer is as simple as installing Steam and logging in. Plus, if for some reason you bounce between multiple computers, everything works as expected. In short, Steam has repaid the trust consumers have given them in holding licenses rather than physical copies and done so in such a way as to gather many admirers. Many gamers now prefer Steam copies to physical copies or digital copies acquired through other such services.

Microsoft is using their perceived dominance to gain all the benefits of digital distribution, but granting few, if any, of those benefits to the consumer. While prices may eventually shift to reflect aging games, there are no hints of anything as wildly impressive as Valve's pricing. Further, Microsoft is continuing its tradition of erroring on the side of the consumer as an assumed thief and enforcing more draconian DRM.

Rather than work like Valve, whose stance is usually, "yes you can" or "we'll try". Their default stance is "our hardware, our rules, suck it".  This is what you are seeing.

tl;dr - gamers trust Valve. Microsoft? Not so much.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:57 PM  
I don't have any problem with the Xbox One having digital titles tied to a gamer account. I've been using steam for years and it works well.  As long as they have good sales and you can get access to the full library of xbox one games, AND they have price reductions and sales like Steam does, it's a good business model.

However, any game purchased as a physical disc, should be fully sharable. If I buy the disc for game A, my friend should be able to borrow that game and play it from the disc without any extra fees.

Here's what I think would be a good solution. Have the disc, play on any box under any game. Buy it digitally, and you can only use it on your account. To offset this difference in value, the digital version should be less expensive.

What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:01 PM  
I enjoy the social benefits of eating only free range digital.
It matters where the digital comes from.  Same reason I don't eat Hex Mix, Choco Bytes, Frequency Shift Krunchies or any of that other military industrial complex transnational corp sweatshop digital crap.  The yolks are always a little fluffier that way.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:56 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]


That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.
 
2013-06-13 04:05:49 PM  

skullkrusher: Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.

when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.


I use Gamefly. I average about 1 game a month if I get it to 100% complete (well, minus DLCs cuz I'm not buying those) so at $18 a month I'm spending $180 plus $50 for PS+ (love the free games) for a total of $230 a year on gaming. I do put new releases up top on the queue and sometimes I get lucky and get them within first month of release but I usually play games 6-12 months after release and I'm ok with that.
 
2013-06-13 04:06:59 PM  
As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer
 
2013-06-13 04:08:44 PM  

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


Same here. Something about it.
 
2013-06-13 04:08:56 PM  

Twigz221: What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.


Here's my question: Let's say all the yelling and feet stomping actually amount to something that affects the bottom line so drastically that they actually decide they give a shiat. Unlikely, but possible. Could they even change it if they wanted to?
 
2013-06-13 04:09:24 PM  

ddam: skullkrusher: Skirl Hutsenreiter: skullkrusher:honestly, I don't give fark 1 about always online or inability to sell games or any of that. The super spooky spycam gets me a bit but otherwise, meh. I love me some video games but they aren't such a huge part of my life that selling them and buying used is really all that important. I don't replay games once I finish them and I am a completionist so I only go through a few games a year so, again, meh

I don't particularly care about the always on spycam, but I hate things that have to be online -- as soon as they break something on their end, my game becomes unplayable.  I have to turn my internet connection off every time I want to play ME3 because it freezes up "checking downloadable content".  I only turn it on because I use Netflix, too.

And I like getting a discount simply because I don't pay attention to new releases, just keep playing what I have until I get bored and look around for something newer.

when buying games for myself I pretty much exclusively buy used just because there's no reason not to... with the exception of Skyrim. That I had to have ASAP. However, it takes me months to finish games so I probably only spend a few hundred a year buying them.

I use Gamefly. I average about 1 game a month if I get it to 100% complete (well, minus DLCs cuz I'm not buying those) so at $18 a month I'm spending $180 plus $50 for PS+ (love the free games) for a total of $230 a year on gaming. I do put new releases up top on the queue and sometimes I get lucky and get them within first month of release but I usually play games 6-12 months after release and I'm ok with that.


I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.
 
2013-06-13 04:09:57 PM  
I'm going to preorder my Xbone with my next paycheck, and I know a bunch of people that have already or plan to aswell.  Buying a PS4, where the selling point is litterally "We're doing what MS did eight years ago!" isn't alluring to me.  It's prettier, sure, but there's nothing really innovative, which is something I kinda like in a next-gen anything.

I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.  I get that some people are desperately tied to their used/pirated games and somehow consider themselves customers of the devs and publishers.  I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right?  They don't have to be on the same box?  They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)  So keep on keepin' on haters, your butthurt is wearing thin, but for now I'm still amused by it.
 
2013-06-13 04:10:29 PM  

Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.


he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.
 
2013-06-13 04:10:37 PM  

skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book


Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:11 PM  

Coboc: I'm going to preorder my Xbone with my next paycheck, and I know a bunch of people that have already or plan to aswell.  Buying a PS4, where the selling point is litterally "We're doing what MS did eight years ago!" isn't alluring to me.  It's prettier, sure, but there's nothing really innovative, which is something I kinda like in a next-gen anything.


You are correct. Sony's strategy of employing successful techniques employed by Microsoft eight years ago, instead of the hated and derided techniques that Microsoft is employing now, will cost them many sales.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:29 PM  
New NSA requirement?
 
2013-06-13 04:13:39 PM  

Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: skullkrusher: Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.

can I ask why?

Valve does not tie Steam games to a specific computer.

no why do you have 2 gaming computers I mean

/love half-life and Portal
//Valve is A-OK in my book

Sometimes I prefer sitting on my couch and watching my 60" television, other times I prefer being at my computer desk and my 24" monitor. Some games are better suited for only one of the displays, others work well on either.


well that makes a whole buncha sense then
 
2013-06-13 04:14:01 PM  

Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.


If you have to ask, then you're a dirty console peasant.

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.
 
2013-06-13 04:14:01 PM  
Disappoint that The Last of Us isn't coming to XBox. Not enough to get a Playstation, though.
 
2013-06-13 04:14:41 PM  

Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)


Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.
 
2013-06-13 04:16:03 PM  

DssDevl: As a long time xbox fanboy let me say this:

All hail the PS4!!!!

/seriously, they lost a long time customer


Know a few people that will be doing the same.  They've never owned a Sony system before, but are willing to dump Xbox for something still a bit unknown, but with a more user friendly tone.  Unless Xbox makes some serious changes they will start to lose the gains they've made over the years.

I have a PS3, and an Xbox 360, but prefer the PS3 for online gaming.  More friends on the PS3 than Xbox is the main reason.  Have an old Wii, but haven't touched it in quite a while.  Not much of a Nintendo guy.
 
2013-06-13 04:16:25 PM  
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2013-06-13 04:16:38 PM  

Twigz221: I don't have any problem with the Xbox One having digital titles tied to a gamer account. I've been using steam for years and it works well.  As long as they have good sales and you can get access to the full library of xbox one games, AND they have price reductions and sales like Steam does, it's a good business model.

However, any game purchased as a physical disc, should be fully sharable. If I buy the disc for game A, my friend should be able to borrow that game and play it from the disc without any extra fees.

Here's what I think would be a good solution. Have the disc, play on any box under any game. Buy it digitally, and you can only use it on your account. To offset this difference in value, the digital version should be less expensive.

What is inexcusable is the internet connection requirement. There is NO reason to include that. It provides zero benefit to the consumer and is an insult to paying customers that should not be tolerated. It WILL stop legitimate, paying customers from playing the games they purchased.


This is a rational criticism of the XBox One that I agree with.  The call home ping is insulting and could lead to loss of functionality.  I think that other features make up for this but it's still a major slap in the face to customers. Like I've said before in other Xbox One biatchfests, I don't really care all that much I'm going to buy one of each console and use all of them anyway. I'll deal with the good and the bad of each and whichever one performs better will become my primary living room device. Last gen it was the 360 and the PS3 was relegated to exclusives only.  This gen it may be the other way around.
 
2013-06-13 04:17:11 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


The PC Master Race doesn't have genders, we only have gamers
 
2013-06-13 04:18:34 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Carn: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

I do not understand this pic, but I love it.

If you have to ask, then you're a dirty console peasant.

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.


Noooooooooooooooooo!
 
2013-06-13 04:19:02 PM  
I think this needs to be known everywhere. But then it will be fun to have a friend buy one. Try to imitate their voice as best as possible and say words like porn, man on man love, heroin and other words over and over that might be embarrassing or even vindictive depending on your friendship status. Just to have it know what your friend likes..or the NSA
Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.

AND another thing many in the Military are X-Box fans and many won't be able to play due to no internet connectivity, region status or country where the damn thing wont work. PLEASE guys its not too late to fix this before launch! ( I think )
 
2013-06-13 04:19:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.


Because the extension cord doesn't stretch that far?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:22 PM  

scottydoesntknow: boarch: scottydoesntknow: On Xbox One, having all games exist as cloud-connected downloads enables new features like being able to access your entire library at a friend's house with a single login, or loaning games to up to ten "family members" digitally and remotely.

I keep seeing this as a "great" reason for the Xbox One, but what about having to actually download those games first? I mean we're talking Blu-Ray size games so you're looking at gigabytes worth of data. When I got Fable 3 it took 2 hours and that was only 4.5GB.

Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB on the 360, and that's excluding any of the DLCs. They honestly think I want to go to a friend's house and spend hours waiting for a game to download before we can play it?

I know the PS4 will require installations of the games, but that should be a hell of a lot quicker than having to actually download the entire game.

I don't think you understand cloud computing.

Based on reports, all Xbox One games must be installed to the hard drive. This can either be accomplished by installing from the disc, or downloading it. Now some of them say you'll be able to play while installing, but none of them specifiy if you can do this while downloading (which I doubt).


Won't be a problem for me as I won't buy the fraking thing.

/Hey Sony, how YOU been?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:27 PM  
Oh also, is this the thread where I can biatch that they didn't port Gears of War sequels to PC?  Serious what's wrong with you?
 
2013-06-13 04:19:34 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.


I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.
 
2013-06-13 04:19:52 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Coboc: I even get the shameless misinformation people are spreading (You know you can share your Xbox One library with 10 people, right? They don't have to be on the same box? They can be halfway around the world and they can still borrow your games?)

Talk about misinformation. You got any sources for that? Because from what I've seen you can let one person use your game, but they must be friends with you on XBL for at least 30 days and it can only be used once after that.


http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/microsoft-defends-the-xbox-one s- licensing-used-game-policies/

Sharing, not selling.  You're not giving up the license, you're letting your buddy 500 miles away play your game.  There were others when I googled, but the links is all blocked for me at work.

And again, I'm not saying the PS4 is bad or that either company is in this for anything other then their own gain - that's what they do, after all.  I'm saying I want something new and different and the Xbox fits the bill for me.

/my hardcore gaming is saved for my PC anyway
//Also, FORZA.
 
2013-06-13 04:19:54 PM  
 OOHHH You meant biggest advantage for GAMERS!!! Ha, I thought you meant the biggest advantage for US.

Are they trying to  become a parody of themselves be reenforcing every negative stereotype about Micro$oft?
That company really is in it's own little clueless world.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:03 PM  
Who cares when Company of Heroes 2, made by the best RTS developer of ALL TIME, RELIC, releases on the 25th?
 
2013-06-13 04:20:26 PM  
So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:40 PM  

Egoy3k: netweavr: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Steam is optional on a PC. XBone DRM is non-optional on a console.

I'm pretty sure the people who love steam have it installed on their PCs.


It's also, y'know, free.
 
2013-06-13 04:20:56 PM  

skullkrusher: Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.

ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.


Most likely, yes.  Apologies .
 
2013-06-13 04:21:31 PM  
what the fark is steam?
 
2013-06-13 04:22:03 PM  

skullkrusher: Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.

he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.


I thought I wasn't trolling but just making funnies, seeing as I said 'thus' it should've been apparent I was affecting a character having no relation to my present human form.
I didn't know gaming threads were more serious than those in the Politics tab, I'll keep out in future and stay in the Beiber/Kanye hatefests.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:23 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.


Mom and Pop my ass.  The fact that people are upset that they will no longer have the privilege of carting their outdated physical media to Gamestop to get a $5 credit just so Gamestop can turn around and sell it for $50 amazes me.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:23 PM  

skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.


I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:25 PM  

netweavr: So what happens to XBox One's authentication servers on release day?

It's not like there's ever been an issue with that before. I bet it couldn't happen to a big name like Blizzard, Ubisoft, or EA.


Microsoft's a bit bigger then those guys, far as I know.

When's the last time Hotmail went down?  I'd reckon there's a couple dozen more simultaneus sign-ins for that then there ever was or will be for the Xbone.
 
2013-06-13 04:22:44 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Carth: . If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season

Regardless of Microsoft's consumer-unfriendly policies, it will still be $100 more than the competing console.

Unless they change that, but how would they do that without going far deeper in the red?


I think it depends on how retailers handle sales. If you can just buy hte console PS4 has a huge advantage. If, like last generation, they require you to buy bundles they can rig the game so Xbox bundles cost $550 and PS4 bundles about the same.

skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: skullkrusher: Carth: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

Sweet I can't wait to buy games for 75% off and play offline!

why do people get so upset about a product they don't own and are quite literally never required to even see in person, let alone buy?

Because if it succeeds it will move the market in a direction they dislike. Therefore it is in their best interest to try and sway public sentiment and stop it from succeeding to preserve their interests.

but everyone is so utterly convinced that it will fail and no one will ever like it

Which is why it is important people keep saying it. Most consumers have the attention spans of fruit flies. If people aren't still complaining about this come November XBox will probably sell fine for the holiday season and MS will claim gamers really don't care about online activation, restricting first sale doctrine and required kinect support.

I suppose it really is only an issue for real hardcore gamers. Casual players like myself aren't gonna give a shiat if the games are good


That's true. Not many casual players drop $400-$600 on a new console and game or two though so it doesn't matter too much for casual players until the first price drop.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:51 PM  

MrSteve007: skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.

I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.


This.  Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.
 
2013-06-13 04:24:55 PM  
Just say 'NO' to Xbox One.

If you MUST be a dirty console peasant, buy a WiiU or a PS4.

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2013-06-13 04:24:57 PM  

kerouac555: what the fark is steam?


A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."
 
2013-06-13 04:26:21 PM  
 
2013-06-13 04:26:31 PM  

Baby Face Fister: I'm still playing my PS2, have a ton of great games and why yes I am old.


This

I try new games but always go back to playing my classic arcade games on my PS2.  Actually, all I really need is my PS2 with Activision Anthology and Atari Anthology.

/Uncle Rico
 
2013-06-13 04:26:45 PM  

miscreant: HotWingConspiracy: Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.

Yeah I honestly can't explain that.

I can. Steam is SOLELY digital. There is no physical media, so nobody expects to be able to share the games. If steam also blocked you from taking a DVD of some game you owned over to a friends place, you'd hear just as much yelling about that.


They do.  If your game DVD needs to call steam to authenticate on install then you cannot authenticate it on your friends PC without logging into your steam account. The Xbox is identical in this respect.
 
2013-06-13 04:28:45 PM  

Two16: skullkrusher: Two16: skullkrusher: I'm still only on Mass Effect 1 so I am in no danger of buying this PRISM Box anytime soon

Coming from you, someone who who buys the Big-Gulp size of Rmoney/Raindian kool-aid, this is HI-LAIR-EYE-US.

ummm huh? I didn't vote for Romney and I can't stand Objectivists. Confusing me with someone else? I sometimes see Skinnyhead's name in threads and think it's me too.

Most likely, yes.  Apologies .


no probs. I am an unapologetic Nazi right wing authoritarian libertarian gestapo jackbooted fascist thug. Just not a Romney supporter or an Objectivist
 
2013-06-13 04:29:06 PM  
Microsoft. What we're doing to you:
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2013-06-13 04:29:09 PM  
Okay, let's get this started.

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2013-06-13 04:29:20 PM  

YoOjo: skullkrusher: Two16: magneticmushroom: YoOjo: Video games are for children, drug addicts and other dead wood.
I prefer reading books and doing crosswords, thus indicating to the whole world that I'm not easily fascinated by flashy lights and have some sort of grasp on non-immediate rewards.

Tell me, what's a 9-letter word for a flexible plastic sack filled with purified water and distilled vinegar?

Sorry, "YoOjo" doesn't fit.

he was clearly trolling. Ya know, like you.

I thought I wasn't trolling but just making funnies, seeing as I said 'thus' it should've been apparent I was affecting a character having no relation to my present human form.
I didn't know gaming threads were more serious than those in the Politics tab, I'll keep out in future and stay in the Beiber/Kanye hatefests.


heh I appreciated it
 
2013-06-13 04:30:01 PM  
Still with my Dreamcast, PS2 and Wii, and no intention to get a new console...probably ever.

Still too many games I've yet to play/complete/replay.

I'll deal with the hisses and pops of my analog devices.
 
2013-06-13 04:30:39 PM  

MrSteve007: skullkrusher: I would not be surprised to see MSFT go with a similar business model eventually. Flat fee of whatever a month and you get access to everything they've released. Maybe with tiered pricing for new releases or something like that.

I still have my grandfathered Zune Music subscription (now Xbox Music); $14 a month for unlimited music streaming to 5 PC's, unlimited webstreams, 5 mobile devices, 10 DRM free tracks a month + unlimited music videos. It's awesome. If they'll let me tack on $25 a month for unlimited Xbox game downloads, done.


same here assuming the price is right. Spotifyer myself, though
 
2013-06-13 04:30:43 PM  
Here's the Terms of Service. Feel comfortable with that camera/microphone combination that can't be disconnected or shut off yet?

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2013-06-13 04:31:14 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Okay, let's get this started.

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I know funny and that's funny
 
2013-06-13 04:31:44 PM  

Coboc: This. Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.


Yep. I still have a grandfathered unlimited plan from Cingular . . . yes, Cingular. But it's nice to stream all the Netflix and Xbox music that I could ever want via an LTE Nokia 920. The 99ms ping & 12 meg down, 8 meg up on my mobile phone is most excellent.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:01 PM  

poot_rootbeer: AcneVulgaris: I'm always seeing long a list of open techie positions at microsoft.  I'm beginning to understand why.

So they can say "see, all these jobs are unfilled, we can't find any qualified people in this country" and petition the government to redouble the number of H1B's they boat in from Cheap Laboristan?


Another part of it is that Microsoft's business culture has become toxic.  The Windows and Office teams routinely exercise a disproportionate and often petty amount of influence against other parts of the company.  For example, you may recall that the Courier tablet was canceled at the last minute because the first version wouldn't support the full version of Office.  In addition, the way that performance reviews are done on a curve that ensures that a certain number of people will get poor reviews no matter how well they actually performed, which creates an incentive not to cooperate with your colleagues.

I might be a good candidate for a software engineering position at Microsoft, but I have no desire to work in that sort of environment.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:42 PM  

netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."


Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since
 
2013-06-13 04:35:04 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.

We do not show our women to the unwashed peasantry.

Because the extension cord doesn't stretch that far?


LOL
 
2013-06-13 04:35:25 PM  

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


Well, that's exactly it, isn't it?

Hell, I don't even care that the camera is always on. If MS really wants to see my junk, I'll set up a Tumblr for them.

But I neither need nor want a Kinect. It does nothing for me. In fact, it's a damned inconvenience because my living room layout has all the consoles on one side of the room and the TV at another, at right angles to the consoles. To get any value out of a Kinect I'd have to rearrange everything and still have something that I don't particularly want to use.

So, the reason I'm not buying an XBOne is because I don't need to pay a surcharge for hardware that does nothing for me.
 
2013-06-13 04:36:08 PM  

MrSteve007: Coboc: This. Haven't bothered to transfer a single audio file in over a year...I'm lucky enough to have a beefy mobile data ceiling.

Yep. I still have a grandfathered unlimited plan from Cingular . . . yes, Cingular. But it's nice to stream all the Netflix and Xbox music that I could ever want via an LTE Nokia 920. The 99ms ping & 12 meg down, 8 meg up on my mobile phone is most excellent.


same here. I've been an AT&T/Cingular subscriber for over 12 years now and as much as it sucks I don't want to lose my unlimited data plan by switching to Verizon
 
2013-06-13 04:36:39 PM  

remus: But is it Hi Fi?


Oh man.  I was gonna say that.  You're quick remus.

+1
 
2013-06-13 04:36:49 PM  
"An error occured cancelling automatic renewal "

(navigates to support, only option is "receive a phone call."  Clicks link)

404.

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2013-06-13 04:39:14 PM  
A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.
 
2013-06-13 04:39:51 PM  

Egoy3k: Gamers love steam. Microsoft sees steam as a competitor, and copies the steam business model. Gamers hate Xbox one. You can't explain that.


Gamers know that they will have access to their Steam games when they upgrade to their next computer. Gamers also know that Steam has an offline mode, meaning that their computer isn't bricked if their internet or Steam goes down. Gamers like the fact that Steam is an option and not mandatory. And they like fact that there are insane sales where you can get 75% to 90% off on some pretty great titles. Finally, gamers know that a PC is different from a console. Gamers have different expectations for a PC than a console.

The Xbox formula is NOT an exact copy of the Steam model. That's like saying the CBS show Elementary is an exact copy of BBC's Sherlock. It is a different, and quite frankly inferior model than Steam, and gamers know that. They have certain expectations for consoles and the Xbox is not meeting those expectations, nor is Microsoft making the case for gamers to change those expectations.

Anyone who doesn't know the difference between Steam and the Xbox model either doesn't know much about the differences or is being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-06-13 04:40:46 PM  

fawlty: Everyone concerned about the kinect spycam, it appears to be separate box from the actual console (although a mandatory purchase), why can't you just turn it around to face the wall?  Or just put a pots-it note over the cam? That's what I would do.  My main objection is paying $100 for something that I will just turn to face the wall.


You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.
Microphone functions can be 'paused' but it is always listening--- ostensibly, for the command 'Xbox on', but considering the TOS I just posted, do you really believe that it 'pauses'?
 
2013-06-13 04:40:57 PM  

Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.


Don't you mean "masochists"? Sadists love to punish people with whips and candles, masochists love to be punished with whips and candles.

/please don't ask me how I know this
 
2013-06-13 04:42:43 PM  

Coboc: I get that people don't like always-on or the call home for a brazillion different reasons.  I get that people are strangely paranoid about the Kinect when every other piece of gadgetry sold in the last five years has a camera in it.


This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:27 PM  
Used games:
See those $10 chunks of crap on the shelf that 90% of which you don't want to play?  Well each one represents lost $$$ for the publisher.  PS4 users better get ready for a surprise.  You're going to see one or MORE of the following:
1.  "multiplayer tokens" or other such publisher driven methods to restrict resales.
2.  Game keys
3.  Increased prices on non restricted games
4.  Games simply not being published for that platform.

One way or the other you're getting the shaft so don't try to get all high and mighty about some competing product.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:27 PM  

King Something: Carth: PS4 is cheaper, more powerful and doesn't seem intent on pissing off its customers. The fact anyone is still looking forward to Xbox is proof many gamers are sadists.

Don't you mean "masochists"? Sadists love to punish people with whips and candles, masochists love to be punished with whips and candles.

/please don't ask me how I know this


I'll defer to your expertise.
 
2013-06-13 04:44:33 PM  

thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since


Early 2000s, mid-2000s was when it start to take off in popularity.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:06 PM  

fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!


If you want to be paranoid I would recommend duct tape. That said, if you own a laptop, tablet or phone with a camera you are just being silly.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:07 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.


Wait... really!? As in you can't use the Kinect functionality (which is obvious), or that you can't use the XBOne at all? If it's the latter then it's actually significantly more defective than I thought.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:09 PM  

Aarontology: MagSeven: I haven't played games since PS2 but are there any benefits to actually having to install the games on your console or is that just a thing the company does to try to prevent piracy?

It helps with load times.


If the Dev writes the code to be optimized that way.  Some don't and it can actually take longer because the initial design was to load to the HDD from the DVD(Halo 3 had that problem, you had to write from HDD to HDD the way it cached, so it actually lengthened load times[negligible imo, but some claimed it was a pain in the ass]).


Also, and this is the big part:

CD drives have always been a weak point in the PC format, they are made cheap and have the poorest life expectancy of most other (modern, similar non-sealed mechanical devices were all prone to problems/breakage) components to a digital system(except, apparently, the 360 itself, which had the same problem, being made cheaply).  All those moving (weak)parts in a non sealed container and using light to read the information.  Dust in combination with cheap innards and these things will usually be the first things to fail.

Installing to HDD will help avoid that problem, save wear and tear on the drive.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:24 PM  
Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong:
You can't turn it to face the wall or block the camera. If it can't detect a person in front of it the console will cease to function.


Source?  I know it can't be unplugged, but who said it has to actually be able to "detect a person?"

Relevant:
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2013-06-13 04:46:22 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: Used games:
See those $10 chunks of crap on the shelf that 90% of which you don't want to play?  Well each one represents lost $$$ for the publisher.  PS4 users better get ready for a surprise.  You're going to see one or MORE of the following:
1.  "multiplayer tokens" or other such publisher driven methods to restrict resales.
2.  Game keys
3.  Increased prices on non restricted games
4.  Games simply not being published for that platform.

One way or the other you're getting the shaft so don't try to get all high and mighty about some competing product.


Stop right there.
Because you're wrong.

The old 'HURR the Xbone isn't so bad because Sony will do worse' deflection isn't going to work here.
 
2013-06-13 04:46:43 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.


And even then, they never said it (or your console) would function when obscured. I wouldn't be surprised if you see an error pop up saying "Kinect sensor is blocked" if you try it.
 
2013-06-13 04:47:14 PM  
So, to point out a glaring flaw in this article

"Amazon basically says they are on path to sell out ... . Amazon is saying it's one of their best-selling consumer products. We're seeing the same thing from other retailers."

amazon is doing a FREE preorder. No $$ down. Gamestop isn't. it's a 100$! so, I highly doubt that amazon pre-order metric is worth a damn.
 
2013-06-13 04:47:19 PM  
Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html
 
2013-06-13 04:47:50 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: A few points I can't distill into image format--

-The Xbox One will only operate in select countries in the world
-It is unknown if you can sell your Xbox One secondhand (as in, Microsoft has literally said that they're not sure if you'll be allowed to resell it)
-You CANNOT disconnect the Kinect. If it cannot identify a person in front of it, the console will not function. You can 'pause' it, but it is always listening regardless.
-No rented games
-It requires a 1.5 MBPS internet connection even to play single player games
-If you do not check in to MS servers daily, your console will not work.


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I think all console gamers should therefore buy the Xbox,  Think of all the bandwidth the Master Race could then harvest and exploit.  EXCELLENT.
 
2013-06-13 04:49:04 PM  

Dimensio: meanmutton: Oh, for fark's sake, remember when everyone was hoping they'd make a Steam console?  They did.  This is it.

I maintain two gaming computers in my apartment. I have installed Steam on both of the computers. While I cannot be logged into Steam on both computers simultaneously, I can alternate playing the same games on each computer without transferring my license or purchasing a second license for the games.


Play one game on one computer and a different game on the other without tricking one or both in remaining offline.
 
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2013-06-13 04:49:41 PM  
Microsoft can eat a dick.
 
2013-06-13 04:51:15 PM  

Jument: fawlty: Dimensio: If the Kinect is required for use with the XBone, then it will be included with the system. Microsoft would not charge $500 for a game console that would not function without an additional $100 device that is sold separately; doing so would entirely kill the product before launch.

I get that.  What I'm saying, beyond the fact that I don't wanna pay the $100 for a device I won't use, is that, if you're really concerned about spying, just turn the camera in a direction in which it can't spy on you.  Has someone heard that that will not be possible somehow!

If you want to be paranoid I would recommend duct tape. That said, if you own a laptop, tablet or phone with a camera you are just being silly.


The console will stop function if the Kinect isn't working. It needs to detect a person to play games.
 
2013-06-13 04:51:53 PM  
I have owned a total of 5 Xboxes.  Two of the original model -- the first one died.  And three 360s -- the first one died, again, and the other two because I like to game while the GF watches Netflix.  I have never bought, or tried to play, a bootleg or pirated game in my life.  I do have a number of games installed on both machines, but have always paid for the DLC twice -- it's just easier that way.
In other words, I consider myself to be a pretty damn good customer for Microsoft.
So why are they trying to treat me like I'm a suspect?  Why do I have to prove to them every single damned day that I'm not cheating anybody?
It's pretty clear from the article that Microsoft is so blinded with arrogance that they don't even understand how much they are insulting their own customer base.
Needless to say, my next console will be a PS4.  Since the new Xbox won't play any of the games I already have anyway, there is absolutely nothing to lose by switching.  And, I'm hoping that enough people will come to the same decision to cause Microsoft to realize they made a very bad decision to treat their customers like felons.
To hell with them.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:07 PM  
OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:15 PM  

solaufein: I'll agree with whoever brought up Steam.  I think that's the other think MS looks at and wants to emulate.


Then they'd better get on board with the Steam Pricing Scheme.

Full price now, 50% off in 6 months or so, 75% off shortly therafter. Amazeballs sales.

None of this high-priced never-go-on-any-significant-sale-ever BS that console games seem to have.

/couldn't care less about reselling on the used market if I could buy AAA bestsellers for 10 bucks just by waiting a while.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:55 PM  
"Hey, you got Kotaku in my Fark!"
 
2013-06-13 04:53:25 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES! You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!! Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!


heh this is kinda where I am coming from. My 360 is continuously hooked up to my wifi network. Of course, if my internet goes down for a day, my 360 doesn't stop working which is good and different than the Bone
 
2013-06-13 04:54:43 PM  

netweavr: thecpt: netweavr: kerouac555: what the fark is steam?

A DRM-platform for PCs. It became popular for failing at digital distribution in the early 2000s, After a few years and massive improvements, it turned into the primary digital distribution model and now serves as the model for all others. It took years, but it succeeded.

It's main selling points are it's free, unobtrusive, has massive sales, and "just works."

Wait, how did it "fail?" I've had an account since 05 and my brother and I share games across the country ever since

Early 2000s, mid-2000s was when it start to take off in popularity.


I thought it was released with hl2 (when I got it)

Checking...03 and its problems were not being able to handle demand apparently. Okay looks like I missed its bad year.

Probably will get the ps4 but if there is a steam box announcement before then, I don't know.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:00 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


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2013-06-13 04:55:12 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


That's the dumbest thing I've read all day, and I accidentally stumbled into a Buzzfeed link earlier.

Congratulations.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:55 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.
 
2013-06-13 04:56:46 PM  
I work for a 100% Microsoft software shop.

Everyone here is buying PS4.
 
2013-06-13 04:56:57 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.


I have yet to see a single Microsoft shill present a single defense as to why the Xbone requires you to check in online every day. Why is it a requirement?

-To check up on what is installed? I don't need them to treat me like I'm a criminal that needs watching as to what I do with my own property.
-To upload/download records of what the Kinect saw or heard? No thank you.
-For online games? What if I don't play those? Then there's no reason for the internet connection.

You CANNOT defend that requirement. It is indefensible.
 
2013-06-13 04:57:04 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.

Choosing

to, and being required to, are vastly, vastly, VASTLY different things.

Clueless retards that can't see that is what's wrong with this world.

/lemme guess, the NSA stuff also doesn't bother you because you have "nothing to hide"
 
2013-06-13 04:58:56 PM  

regornam: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Bleh, didn't post my link. Bad HTML.
-   http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Eve n- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html

Jesus Christ man, relax with these relentless comments. We get it. You don't need total strangers to validate your PS4 pre-order. Now go outside and LIVE.


I'm pretty offended that you're assuming I'm a console peasant. I have a gaming PC, I don't need a console, and neither do I want one.

But the kind of restrictions Microsoft is trying to push on people who like video games doesn't stop existing just because I don't use consoles. It's a dangerous precedent that needs to be stopped now before it gets out of hand. If I ignore it today because it doesn't effect me, it'll be me having to deal with this bullshiat tomorrow.
 
2013-06-13 05:00:21 PM  
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2013-06-13 05:01:58 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: [img.gawkerassets.com image 320x434]


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/Also goes well with the Xbox guy's comment during Killer Instinct
 
2013-06-13 05:02:22 PM  
Man, there are so many ill-informed people posting on this thread. I'm not a fan of MS or the new stuff they are implementing, but at least understand what you are complaining about.

Dimensio: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account. If you bought a second xb1, it would act exactly the same as your current two computer setup. You sign in with your Live account and have access to all of your games, just like in Steam. You can have family accounts with access to your games to make it even easier. You are complaining about a problem they have already explained doesn't exist.

scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

DanZero: Your image has so many problems I can't begin to refute all of them.

Anyone saying that PS4 is allowing you to do all this stuff, while xb1 is denying it, needs to take note of a few things:

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS is saying they will allow lending and reselling games all you want from their IP, but they are leaving it up to the publisher to limit that in other games. They are saying nearly the same thing as Sony!

4) The 24 hour check doesn't stop you from playing your game forever. It just means you have to check in before you can play again. I don't like this requirement at all, but people are blowing it out of proportion. Your machine isn't bricked. You just have to connect it to the internet before you can play again. This is bad for people in the military or who travel a lot, so it's a shame they don't allow you to have the disk in the machine to verify.

5) MS will allow you to lend a game remotely to a friend for free. Sony does not allow that. That means my friend in Indiana can let me try out a game while I live in California. My biggest reason for not buying games is I don't want to pay for something I haven't played yet, so when my friends want me to play an online multiplayer game with them they have a hard time convincing me to buy whatever game it is. This will help that.

Sony specifically said they will let publishers do whatever DRM and lending/reselling limitations they want. This is the same plan as MS, except MS has a system in place to make it standardized... again, only if the publisher chooses to implement that system.
 
2013-06-13 05:03:14 PM  

Egoy3k: ItchyMcDoogle: Sorry Microsoft I like you guys but this is a little out of control and its very cruel that you're going to knowingly shut down mom and pop type places with your used game policies. Also that it turns into a brick if you have not checked in online every 24 hours.

Mom and Pop my ass.  The fact that people are upset that they will no longer have the privilege of carting their outdated physical media to Gamestop to get a $5 credit just so Gamestop can turn around and sell it for $50 amazes me.


Scouring the used-game shelves at GameStop and its ilk has scored me plenty of good deals on older current- and previous-gen games. I haven't traded anything in in years, but shopping for used games (or books or clothes or whatever) is almost a hobby of mine, and I don't like giving up hobbies.
 
2013-06-13 05:05:19 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: This point keeps getting raised again and again, but it makes no sense. No one is objecting to the fact that the Kinect has a camera. They are objecting to the fact that there is no way to turn it off short of physically obscuring it.

These are not the same complaint.

I can assure you that if Samsung announced that their next phone would have an always-on camera, you'd see the very same objections.


And I get that having the extra peripheral isn't ideal, but I have a hard time getting upset about it.  I've heard a lot of speculation that it'll be used to gather info for marketing/the evil gubmint wants that camera in there to spy on you.  In either case, I find it highly unlikely that the Xbox is transmitting any amount of useful info during it's daily sign in (assuming you aren't just leaving it online) which is supposed to be in the kilobytes range.

So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.
 
2013-06-13 05:06:59 PM  
horsepocket: 4) The 24 hour check doesn't stop you from playing your game forever. It just means you have to check in before you can play again. I don't like this requirement at all, but people are blowing it out of proportion. Your machine isn't bricked. You just have to connect it to the internet before you can play again. This is bad for people in the military or who travel a lot, so it's a shame they don't allow you to have the disk in the machine to verify.

Wait, so if my internet goes out for a week (not uncommon when we get a blizzard or ice storm) I can't play my xbox even though I have a generator for power? What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did? Will my $500 console stop working?
 
2013-06-13 05:09:04 PM  

horsepocket: XB1 games aren't tied to the specific console, just like your Steam games aren't tied to the specific computer. They are both tied to an account.


...An account that has to check in to a server every 24 hours or you can't play your games.

Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk?

A disk that you can't resell unless you sell it back to a 'specified retailier'. No more yard sale games, no more Ebay.

And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.

Yeah, you can lend him the game for 24 hours, after which if your friend still wants to play it he has to pay a fee. You left out that part.

1) The PS3 was sold with Linux installed and usable by owners. Sony went to all those PS3s that people had bought with Linux on it and deleted that functionality. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

So you're saying that because Sony did something stupid in the past, people should buy an Xbox One and put up with a bunch of draconian bullshiat now. How stupid are you?

2) The PS3 was sold with backwards compatibility. Now it isn't. Who can say Sony won't do something like that again?

See above

3) Sony might be saying you can lend and resell games all you want... but there is an asterisk on that. They are also saying that they are leaving that up to the publishers to limit. That means any publisher can decided to limit lending and reselling all they want, like EA does right now with 360 and PS3 games. MS ...

"PS4 Doesn't Allow Online Passes Even From Third-Party Publishers"
- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Even- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


Consider your post debunked.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:21 PM  

thecpt: remus: But is it Hi Fi?

It's American hifi

/too stoned
//Nintendo


Just so you know, this did not go unnoticed.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:44 PM  

horsepocket: scottydoesntknow: Do you not understand that you can buy a disk for the games? And that the games are ripped onto your console from the disk? And that if you go to play at a friend's house, you can bring that disk and not have to wait for it to download? This was all explained long ago. Holy cow. When you are at your friend's house, you just sign in to have access to that game. You can also just lend him the game if you don't want to sign on at his house.


Except for the whole article about the BIGGEST BENEFIT OF XBOX ONE IS DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!! DIGITAL!!!11!! EVERYTHING IS CLOUD BASED!!!!!1111

I know you can bring the disc over and install it, but Microsoft's big push this year is YOU DON'T NEED THE DISC ANYMORE.

And you can't lend him the game if you don't want to sign in. Every single article says you MUST sign in because it is your game linked to your account. They've said next to nothing about the "10 family members" because they have no idea how it's going to work, that was just them trying to get something back after their stupid-ass announcements.

Holy cow, get your actual facts straight before you try to act like a smartass.
 
2013-06-13 05:10:25 PM  

Carth: What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did?


You're farked.
 
2013-06-13 05:11:10 PM  
What about if you do something crazy and decide to maybe go on a vacation?  Most people tend to shut everything down except for a few things here and there on timers.  At least I do, I don't see the need to waste electricity, on internet or wifi if we're not there to use it.  Yes, we power down everything when the house is empty on a daily basis too. 


So, if you aren't there to login for a few days, or a week or two, what happens?  Are you going to have to get permission from Microsoft if you go on vacation?  Will they put a hold on your account for however many days you are absent from the network?
 
2013-06-13 05:11:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Lt. Cheese Weasel: [img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

That's a very good representation of the PC Gaming Master race. Not a single woman in it.


No...all the womyn are standing behind the fat guy...
 
2013-06-13 05:14:03 PM  
Coboc:
So my question is, is having the mandatory Kinect really a deal breaker?  Because I'm pretty whatever on the whole thing.

Yes.  I have a projector for my home theater, where my 360 and HTPC live.  Making the kinect mandatory means that game devs are going to assume it's there.  How long until games that otherwise would not need any kinect functionality suddenly "require" it (as in, have features that can only be performed via kinect)?

I'm not going to sit and shout at my screen to play games, and standing up or waving your arms in front of the projector presents an obvious hindrance to actual gameplay.

I have no concerns about the little eye spying on me.  When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug.
 
2013-06-13 05:16:20 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Carth: What happens if Microsoft's activation servers go down like Sim City's did?

You're farked.


if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)
 
2013-06-13 05:17:45 PM  

drop: When I want assured privacy, the thing still has a power plug


Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.
 
2013-06-13 05:18:51 PM  

skullkrusher: if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)


No offense, but could you fark off? It's bad enough seeing your bullshiat in the Politics tab.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:16 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: "PS4 Doesn't Allow Online Passes Even From Third-Party Publishers"
- http://www.cinemablend.com/games/PS4-Doesn-t-Allow-Online-Passes-Even- From-Third-Party-Publishers-56656.html


While third-party forms of DRM is still something that publishers can pursue, the Online Pass is not one of them.

From said article.  Don't know why I give a shiat.  I'm leaning towards PS4 primarily because it's cheaper.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:27 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Or just don't buy it and save $500 and having to worry about unplugging something in your house that might possibly be recording you.

You can always join the PC Master Race instead.


Because computers never get spyware or hacked and have their webcams remotely activated . . .
 
2013-06-13 05:21:42 PM  

GoGoGadgetLiver: OH NOES!  You mean I'm FORCED to log my Xbox One online ONCE per 24hrs!!!   Geez right now all I do is VOLUNTEER to leave my Xbox 360 online Always!!!


Your Xbox360 doesn't become a brick if you decide to disconnect.

It's funny how all the people complaining about the online requirements are griping about it on the INTERNET.

My computer doesn't become bricked if my internet goes down, I can play all my games in offline mode, and I go online if I choose to. It's my choice. I also don't need the camera on my laptop to work if I want to use it.

** I have yet to see a single ad taken out in the newspaper biatching about it. **

Give it time. You'll see write-ups in newspapers and magazines closer to when the console is released.

I'm heading to the nearest payphone to call my newspaper to deliver my editorial about how requiring an internet connection for a device that will likely be in use in 2023 is outrageous.

I got my NES almost 30 years ago and I can still play all those old games. (Duck Tales is awesome and still kicks my ass.) My SNES gets some action as well. (Chrono Trigger still holds up.) The PS2 came out 13 years ago and I still play those games and likely will for years to come. I have a pretty extensive collection of GBA games that I still enjoy. The idea that I won't want to play a game in 10 years is silly.

I am a lifelong gamer and I have never wanted a console less than I've not wanted the Xbox One. And I'm really enjoying what appears to be Microsoft's condescending attitude towards those who raise reasonable concerns about the new model. It's a real winner and a great PR strategy, because nothing makes me want a console more than being mocked and condescended to about not wanting their console.
 
2013-06-13 05:22:03 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: skullkrusher: if "farked" means "required to get some fresh air and call your mom" then you're royally farked indeed ;)

No offense, but could you fark off? It's bad enough seeing your bullshiat in the Politics tab.


gee, maybe my "bullshiat" is spurred by the fact that you whine everywhere you go?
 
2013-06-13 05:22:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Battlefield 3 is at over 14GB