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(Asbury Park Press)   Heart attack behind the wheel causing a minor car accident? That's a ticketin', times three   (app.com) divider line 50
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2013-06-13 03:07:00 PM
"What's the charge? Criminal cardiac arrest?" his father, Chris Langley said in a later interview.

OH SNAP!

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2013-06-13 03:29:53 PM
Heart Attack-ack-ack-ack
 
2013-06-13 03:34:32 PM
The Dr note is awesome
 
2013-06-13 03:35:00 PM
R.I.P Billy Ray Cyrus
 
2013-06-13 03:35:46 PM
They dismissed two of them, and downgraded the third. Admittedly, it was kind of weird, but I'm not seeing the problem.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:41 PM
awww New Jersey Cops. Is there no one you won't screw over?

/rhetorical. There isn't.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:41 PM
Punk kids blocking the road deserve tickets. Give him one for that long haired hippy hairdo too.
 
2013-06-13 03:37:45 PM
I blame the prosecutor and the judge for not dismissing it. Obvious sticklers for following the letter of the law.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:45 PM
He cannot mow the lawn or use the edger.

What about hedge clippers?
 
2013-06-13 03:41:12 PM
This happened to my grandmother years ago.  I called the local newspaper about the ticket and they ran the story.  Ticket was dropped that day.
 
2013-06-13 03:41:22 PM
comedypro.hahaha.com

Neither the municipal prosecutor, Colin Quinn, nor police could be reached for comment.
 
2013-06-13 03:41:38 PM
The remaining ticket/charge is still warranted.  It helps out the people he hit to be held blameless financially for the accidents.  It's really no big deal.
 
2013-06-13 03:42:27 PM
Just to make a statement here: Don't drive yourself to the hospital if you think you're having a heart attack. Not only do you endanger yourself and everyone on the road, you delay your identification as a heart attack victim and delay care that is time-critical in many cases. Call 911
 
2013-06-13 03:43:11 PM
Just playing devil's advocate here:

Failure to maintain control is failure to maintain control.

Are we going to excuse a lard-ass if his gut gets stuck in his steering wheel and he can't make a turn?
 
2013-06-13 03:45:09 PM
I understand why the tickets were written, but all three should have been dismissed because of the medical emergency.

One missing piece of info, though.  Did this kid have any prior history of medical events (seizure, etc)?
 
2013-06-13 03:47:06 PM
20 years-old is kind of young to have a heart attack. Maybe if they ticket him now, he'll learn not to have any more heart attacks. Or maybe the shock of being ticketed will cause him to have another heart attack. It could go either way.


/feel so inar-inar-inar-inarticulate
 
2013-06-13 03:47:39 PM

Another Government Employee: I understand why the tickets were written, but all three should have been dismissed because of the medical emergency.

One missing piece of info, though.  Did this kid have any prior history of medical events (seizure, etc)?


That's what I'm wondering if he had some kind of underlying problem or past illness. 20 year old men don't usually have a heart attack unless they've gone on a coke/meth bender.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:48 PM

Another Government Employee: I understand why the tickets were written, but all three should have been dismissed because of the medical emergency.

One missing piece of info, though.  Did this kid have any prior history of medical events (seizure, etc)?


What doesn't qualify as a 'medical event' these days?
 
2013-06-13 03:51:18 PM

Gyrfalcon: They dismissed two of them, and downgraded the third. Admittedly, it was kind of weird, but I'm not seeing the problem.


FrancoFile: Failure to maintain control is failure to maintain control.


I was a witness to an accident (in NJ). The driver that made the bad left turn that caused the accident got a ticket, in addition to seeing two of his friends pulled out of the vehicle on a backboard.

He was allowed to plead down the ticket in court. Still had to pay a fine.

In another case, Ashlee Shaner was ticketed in a collision that killed her outside $cientology's Gold Base when a contractor parked a flatbed truck across the road beyond a blind curve with no lights or warning signs or anything. The ticket was for driving "too fast for the prevailing conditions", but it was later dropped.
 
2013-06-13 03:52:51 PM
How convenient that the farksticks in charge are "unavailable for comment".  Such bullshiat.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:47 PM
Cops don't give a damn about safety. Tickets are to generate money to pay their salary.
Ask the cop who wrote me a ticket for failure to maintain control of my vehicle for hitting a deer.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:52 PM

Russ1642: What doesn't qualify as a 'medical event' these days?


20 yearolds don't usually have heart attacks. Their heart problems are typically from drugs, infectious processes, an aortic aneurysm, Long QT Syndrome, or from birth defects and corrected cardiac defects from infancy. It's HIGHLY unusual for someone that young to develop a total blockage of their coronary arteries.

The problem is that if he KNEW he had a condition which made him highly likely to suffer SCA, and refused to get it treated, the law can hold him negligent for that - the same as it can hold someone who refuses to take seizure medication and continues to drive.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:30 PM

Ker_Thwap: The remaining ticket/charge is still warranted.  It helps out the people he hit to be held blameless financially for the accidents.  It's really no big deal.


That's what I assumed happened here.
 
2013-06-13 04:00:42 PM
Most traffic violations are "absolute liability" offences, meaning there is no "excuse" under the law.  Even dying is not an excuse.  That being said the prosecutor could decide not to be a dickhead and cut the guy some slack.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:33 PM

hardinparamedic: Russ1642: What doesn't qualify as a 'medical event' these days?

20 yearolds don't usually have heart attacks. Their heart problems are typically from drugs, infectious processes, an aortic aneurysm, Long QT Syndrome, or from birth defects and corrected cardiac defects from infancy. It's HIGHLY unusual for someone that young to develop a total blockage of their coronary arteries.

The problem is that if he KNEW he had a condition which made him highly likely to suffer SCA, and refused to get it treated, the law can hold him negligent for that - the same as it can hold someone who refuses to take seizure medication and continues to drive.


It did say in the article he had a pacemaker implanted. Perhaps it wasn't a blockage or drug use and the reporter just couldn't figure out how to spell "arrhythmia" and settled for heart attack?
 
2013-06-13 04:04:26 PM

roadkillontheweb: Cops don't give a damn about safety. Tickets are to generate money to pay their salary.


frostalicious: That being said the prosecutor could decide not to be a dickhead and cut the guy some slack.


Who is paying the salaries of the emergency services personnel responding to the collision? Fire department, EMS, etc...?
 
2013-06-13 04:06:36 PM

roadkillontheweb: Cops don't give a damn about safety. Tickets are to generate money to pay their salary.
Ask the cop who wrote me a ticket for failure to maintain control of my vehicle for hitting a deer.spilling my beer.


FTFM
 
2013-06-13 04:08:34 PM
Officer Raymond Kwiatkowski is a farking i.imgur.com  who risks his life to keep our streets safe from heart-attack having lawbreakers.

"He's a rich kid faking it" said Kwiatkowski. "No 20-year old has a farking heart attack unless I give him one. You people should be kissing my butt for enforcing the law against dangerous scumbags like this and keeping them off the streets. NOBODY is above the farking law in my town. He got off way too easy."
 
2013-06-13 04:10:00 PM

roadkillontheweb: failure to maintain control of my vehicle for hitting a deer


see, you have to maintain that the deer hit you and never say otherwise
 
2013-06-13 04:10:43 PM

Campanula: It did say in the article he had a pacemaker implanted. Perhaps it wasn't a blockage or drug use and the reporter just couldn't figure out how to spell "arrhythmia" and settled for heart attack?


I have a feeling it was this.

Misch: Who is paying the salaries of the emergency services personnel responding to the collision? Fire department, EMS, etc...?


Fire Department and/or EMS salaries and budget either comes from taxpayers and what little they can recover from patients they bill, or from the proceeds from the hospital they are affiliated with, or a Fire fee tacked onto something like utilities.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:04 PM
Dan "had to plead guilty," said his mother, Noreen. "What choice did he have?"

Umm, gimme a minute, it'll come to me.  Oh, yeah: maybe plead not guilty?
 
2013-06-13 04:15:54 PM
FTFA: A little more than a week after the April 1 heart attack, which led to a minor traffic accident, Langley, a 20-year-old ...

Dude. Put down the burgers! Holy crap!
 
2013-06-13 04:25:20 PM

hobnail: Dan "had to plead guilty," said his mother, Noreen. "What choice did he have?"

Umm, gimme a minute, it'll come to me.  Oh, yeah: maybe plead not guilty?


Came to say this.
 
2013-06-13 04:40:23 PM

hobnail: Dan "had to plead guilty," said his mother, Noreen. "What choice did he have?"

Umm, gimme a minute, it'll come to me.  Oh, yeah: maybe plead not guilty?


and then face the possibility of all three charges. See, that's the "deal" in plea deal.  It's a cheap way to change the cost:benefit analysis of a defendant to admitting guilt even when they aren't in exchange for not having to prove themselves innocent of something worse, see?
 
2013-06-13 04:42:28 PM

hardinparamedic: Russ1642: What doesn't qualify as a 'medical event' these days?

20 yearolds don't usually have heart attacks. Their heart problems are typically from drugs, infectious processes, an aortic aneurysm, Long QT Syndrome, or from birth defects and corrected cardiac defects from infancy. It's HIGHLY unusual for someone that young to develop a total blockage of their coronary arteries.

The problem is that if he KNEW he had a condition which made him highly likely to suffer SCA, and refused to get it treated, the law can hold him negligent for that - the same as it can hold someone who refuses to take seizure medication and continues to drive.


It can happen though.  When I was in high school, a friend of mine died of a heart attack at the age of 17. No prior history of health problems, no alcohol use, no drug use (tox report confirmed this for at least at the time of her death); model student, athletic, in Jr ROTC.  She died while practicing a dance routine with her younger sister at home.  Sometimes, they do just happen.

/ I do understand that her case was extremely atypical.
 
2013-06-13 04:55:13 PM

FrancoFile: Just playing devil's advocate here:

Failure to maintain control is failure to maintain control.

Are we going to excuse a lard-ass if his gut gets stuck in his steering wheel and he can't make a turn?


Because of your sizeist attitude, yes we are.

/discrimination is still discrimination.
 
2013-06-13 05:01:27 PM
If he violated the law, then he should be cited, and it should stick.

Furthermore, if you have heart attacks, then clearly you shouldn't be driving EVER. So his license should be revoked until he has a transplant.

Gee, I wonder if all you criminal apologists would feel the same way if he had crossed center, head-on your spouse and kill them.

Whatsamatter?? It's a medical emergency, right, little baby?
 
2013-06-13 05:56:00 PM

Panatheist: roadkillontheweb: failure to maintain control of my vehicle for hitting a deer

see, you have to maintain that the deer hit you and never say otherwise


When I signed up for car insurance, the agent told me explicity "If you have to choose between hitting Bambi, or hitting a tree, hit Bambi, because that will be covered. If you hit a tree, you're at fault."
 
2013-06-13 06:12:33 PM

SevenizGud: If he violated the law, then he should be cited, and it should stick.

Furthermore, if you have heart attacks, then clearly you shouldn't be driving EVER. So his license should be revoked until he has a transplant.

Gee, I wonder if all you criminal apologists would feel the same way if he had crossed center, head-on your spouse and kill them.

Whatsamatter?? It's a medical emergency, right, little baby?


20 years old with a heart problem that they already knew about, I am surprised he still has his license.   A coworker of mine had black outs due to high blood pressure a few years ago.  He is only four months older than I and they yanked his license till he got a clean bill of health.  He still came to work, he just couldn't drive.  There are reasons why CDL drivers have to get physicals.

I get why some tickets were tossed, because cops often write the entire book about you in tickets.  Surprised the judge didn't push for more evidence into the heart issue.
 
2013-06-13 06:14:11 PM

Russ1642: Another Government Employee: I understand why the tickets were written, but all three should have been dismissed because of the medical emergency.

One missing piece of info, though.  Did this kid have any prior history of medical events (seizure, etc)?

What doesn't qualify as a 'medical event' these days?


The female orgasm.  That's classified as a miracle
 
2013-06-13 06:22:15 PM
I think if you cause an accident, you should always get a ticket.  Heart attack should be no exception.  In this particular guys case, he should lose his license.  Yes, the heart attack is a health issue, but that doesn't do much to console the other people you are running over.

Here is another example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzld47Echzw

The lady who was driving that car should have been arrested.  If you had a couple of beers, and didn't do anything crazy like this, but you got caught, they would lock you up.  It makes no sense that people can cause actual accidents and just walk away without punishment when you treat DWI like a major deal even if they never came close to causing an accident.
 
2013-06-13 06:28:33 PM
Good thing he lived. Otherwise, his estate would be billed the cost of all three tickets plus fees and officer Raymond Kwiatkowski could collect his cut, unless that's the same guy with mugshots in FL, WI.
 
2013-06-13 06:59:39 PM
Cops are essentially given the rule by their bosses "If you have to get out of your cruiser, you must write at least one ticket". It's not strictly a quota, but the raise they get on their next performance review is tied to following this rule.

Ever dealt with a paralegal to deal with tickets for traffic offenses? Most of them are retired cops.
One hand washes the other,

Yeah, I've had a f*cking PIG give me a bullshiat ticket after passing out and having a single car crash. The biatch followed the ambulance back to the hospital and gave me the ticket right there on the gurney.

This is a reason to hate goddamn cops,
 
2013-06-13 07:06:53 PM
all three tickets should have been dropped.
 
2013-06-13 10:21:57 PM

DundieAwardWinner: [comedypro.hahaha.com image 600x476]

Neither the municipal prosecutor, Colin Quinn, nor police could be reached for comment.


And now, here's your judge, Ken Oh-buh!
 
2013-06-14 12:30:51 AM

lack of warmth: 20 years old with a heart problem that they already knew about, I am surprised he still has his license. A coworker of mine had black outs due to high blood pressure a few years ago. He is only four months older than I and they yanked his license till he got a clean bill of health. He still came to work, he just couldn't drive. There are reasons why CDL drivers have to get physicals.

I get why some tickets were tossed, because cops often write the entire book about you in tickets. Surprised the judge didn't push for more evidence into the heart issue.


The driver plead guilty to a reduced ticket on the third charge. No hearing or trial was held beyond the initial one.


I also don't see where you're seeing the history of heart problem, or that it was known. That's not in TFA.

Dan Langley is the youngest of six children. There is no history of similar heart problems in the family, and doctors still are not sure what caused his cardiac arrest, his parents said. He spent 10 days in the hospital.

...

But because of his medical condition he had to withdraw from school and cannot return to work. He cannot play contact sports. He cannot swim in the pool that has been in the family's backyard since he was a baby. He cannot mow the lawn or use the edger


This is an aftereffect of the defibrillator they put in his chest (I'm assuming it's an ICD/pacemaker combo). Typically the post-implant regimen 1 month of no weight allowed at all on the left arm, 2-3 months of no heavy lifting. This allows for the leads to set into the heart. I'm not seeing anything in the article about previous health problems.
 
2013-06-14 12:53:26 AM
What are you biatching about? You are alive after a heart attack.  Pay the fine and move on.  Its trivial in the overall scheme of things.
 
2013-06-14 02:19:13 AM
Years ago, when I was a claims adjuster for Crawford & Company in their Des Moines office, I got assigned to a claim by one of our clients, Firestone.  They used to have a store in downtown Des Moines and one day, some guy in his sixties had a heart attack while driving and crashed through one of the plate glass windows of the Firestone store.  I was to go after him to recover the damages.

His insurance carrier, Employers Mutual, denied the claim as "an act of God," since the guy had had no prior history of heart problems.  After some grousing, Crawford & Company and Firestone  just let it go as the legal expense of fighting the denial would end up being more than the actual damages to the store.

A few years later, I was on the other side.  Some guy had a heart attack and sailed through a red light and got killed in the resulting collision with a semi owned by another client.  We denied the death claim on the basis that it was the guy blowing through the red light due to the heart attack and not our driver's negligence.  Even so, it shook up our client's driver for months.
 
2013-06-14 04:53:10 AM

skinink: I blame the prosecutor and the judge for not dismissing it. Obvious sticklers for following the letter of the law.


Three people should be fired for this, prosecutor, judge and officer Kwiatkowski.  It would be cool if the victim or his family sued the pants off all three.
 
2013-06-14 08:05:04 AM

xanadian: FTFA: A little more than a week after the April 1 heart attack, which led to a minor traffic accident, Langley, a 20-year-old ...

Dude. Put down the burgers! Holy crap!


"At the time, Dan Langley, who plays several musical instruments, was working two jobs and finishing his last semester as a mechanical engineering student at Brookdale Community College in the Lincroft section of Middletown. He was set to start attending Rutgers University in the fall. "
Sounds more like lack of sleep and lots of energy drinks. Only other 20 year olds that I knew had heart attacks with no previous history were big on energy drinks.
 
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