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2013-06-13 09:37:32 PM

ProfessorOhki: StrangeQ: rpm:Doom was on console (1 year after PC)

Yes, it was, and it was complete and utter garbage compared to the PC version.  So your argument is equivalently complete and utter fail.

A game whose PC version was buggy enough it was literally unfinishable. Therefore NES > PC even today.
[www.myabandonware.com image 320x200]
/Bad logic is bad
//You should feel bad


No, it just goes to show that you can't polish a turd even by rolling it in gold pixy dust.
 
2013-06-13 09:40:07 PM

James!: Tell you what I want to buy one box and then put a disk into it and the game works.  I don't want to have to know about video cards and sound cards and alien whatevers.

 
2013-06-13 09:42:38 PM

cetacei: James!: Tell you what I want to buy one box and then put a disk into it and the game works.  I don't want to have to know about video cards and sound cards and alien whatevers.


and that's cool, I admit when it comes to food the LCD like Macdonalds is sufficient for me.  We all have our 'good enough' kind of things.
 
2013-06-13 09:43:13 PM
HalEmmerich:
How is this wrong? This is basically the core complaint of most PC gamers I know. For the last 7 odd years, machines with 512MB of ram with processors and GPUs from 2005 have been the lead platforms for virtually every major gaming release. It's not just a matter of graphics; AI, and in a related issue number of active entities on screen, level complexity, physics, all of these thing have be ...

It isn't.  The sad thing is the even with 8 CPUs, they will be struggling to exceed the power of a[n overclocked] 2006 core2duo.  Actually, no matter how much the developers struggle, I doubt they will balance 8 threads enough to match the core2duo's power.  On the other hand, PC power hasn't exactly done much more than refine the c2d design, add more cores, and add in SMT (hyperthreading).  Current chips might argue 4 times the power, but balancing the threads at that level makes no sense on such diverse systems.  Main thread performance isn't much of a performance increase either.  Still, it still should be a big increase in CPU performance over the old consoles, and those CPUs are small, letting Sony deliver a much bigger GPU and still keep the price under control.

On the other hand, the GPU hasn't been obsoleted (yet), which is an improvement from the last go around.  It claims to match a 5870, which is still fairly advanced.  On some other site there was a claim that you could spend $400 on a PC and get that type of power, I managed $500 and had to use a nvidia 650 TI (close, but not quite 7870 graphics).  Of course the difference in price was the windows license: it might be a great computer without it, but don't really expect to run a gaming PC on linux :).  I'm also fairly certain that no amount of 7800GTX SLIfication (top of the line for 2005) could possibly match the PS4 GPU (could you do SLI in 2005?).

The final thing to take into account has been the stagnation of resolutions.  Sure, you can go beyond 1920x1080, but there is still a price premium, you have to buy more GPU to handle those pixels, and it isn't like I'm dreaming about higher resolutions the way I did with a CRT (the pixels just aren't easy to see).  This means that those GPUs are mostly cramming more and more detail into the display, because they have more than enough juice to simply paint all the pixels (something a PS2 could appear to do with SD, but ps3s and Xbox struggle with HD).  A 2005 computer might struggle with 1080, a PS4 developer will struggle to keep finding more things for the GPU to do at those resolutions.
 
2013-06-13 09:47:30 PM

BumpInTheNight: Lsherm: I'm a master race PC Gamer, but I'll probably get both just because sometimes I like to chill on the couch and play games on a giant tv.  For whatever reason when I play PC games I like to be at my desk.  Playing a FPS with a controller is for rubes, but playing a racing game without a controller is for tards.

On a completely unrelated note, I just bought NoLimits roller coaster simulator and even though it's been out for ten years, I somehow missed it.  It's pretty cool.

Damn difficult to build your own coaster, though.  It's going to require some work.

Heh I bought Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 Deluxe just the other day via Steam, ah the nostalgia :)

/playing racing games without a G27 or equivalent and triple screen is fairly pedestrian, in my opinion as a fellow master race PC gamer :P


My current PC setup (largely for flight sim, but for everything else, too):
img19.imageshack.us

Racing wheels for the computer never felt right to me, I'm better off with a controller.  I can definitely see the advantage to three screens, but it would probably be lost on most console racing games.
 
2013-06-13 09:55:57 PM

Lsherm: Racing wheels for the computer never felt right to me, I'm better off with a controller. I can definitely see the advantage to three screens, but it would probably be lost on most console racing games.


Really even with the pedals and stuff?  Some of the most entertaining car-based gaming experiences for me were things like TDU, Dirt1 and the glorious GTA4 with the G25, triple screen and drinks(very important for GTA4).  I agree the crap-ass racers that can't even do the triple aren't worth shiat but when you find a racer, FPS or flight type game that does triple and the peripherals its just one of those things you can return to or relax with.  I've caught myself just roaming around GTA4's city driving like a regular day, its pretty awesome.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:38 PM

ProfessorOhki: StrangeQ: rpm:Doom was on console (1 year after PC)

Yes, it was, and it was complete and utter garbage compared to the PC version.  So your argument is equivalently complete and utter fail.

A game whose PC version was buggy enough it was literally unfinishable. Therefore NES > PC even today.
[www.myabandonware.com image 320x200]
/Bad logic is bad
//You should feel bad


that game was a shiatty port because it was a shiatty port, not because PC hardware couldn't handle it.  The console versions of Doom sucked because no matter what bullshiat they spouted about 32 or 64 bits or whatever the consoles simply did not have the power to run the game.  Hell, until the 360 versions, none of the console versions were particularly decent.  All were limited in some way.

MrHappyRotter: I figured it out, frepnog IS Microsoft. Seriously, though, it seems like one hell of a giant leap to assume that most people didn't play a game (back in the day) because most people didn't own it.


man I wish, then maybe I could actually afford one of the new consoles.  As it is I will just stick to my pc.  I am no console fanboy for Xobx.  I have owned ALL of the consoles and played the shiat out of my PS3 (traded the Wii for it) and admit freely that the PS3 was more powerful than the 360.  The 360 I don't think could handle Uncharted 2.  I think MS is farking up a bit with how they are doing things.  I would still buy the Xbone however because from what I have seen that is where the games that I would want to play will be, and I think alot of what the console is doing is really next level.  The PS4 is a nice machine but there is nothing going on there that I feel is really changing things, it is more "status quo".
 
2013-06-13 10:00:18 PM
ProfessorOhki:

That makes a lot of sense. I suppose if they went that route, in the end the EA's and the like wouldn't even see the need for Sony or Xbox to be in the loop.

I'll just have to keep dreaming I suppose.
 
2013-06-13 10:03:08 PM

LoR75: frepnog: LoR75: Also, Battletoads still gives me nightmares to this day.

I view Battletoads almost like I view Woodstock - if everyone that claims to have been damaged by Battletoads had actually owned that game, it would be a modern franchise with millions and millions of copies sold.

/most NES owners never actually played Battletoads.  Its infamy is almost soley based on internet Youtube videos and ROM playthrus.

Eh, if I could use Obama's time machine, I would go back and show you the frustration that game gave me, as well as the adulation of my peers for being the first person to beat Mike Tyson (and the only kid who had a gold Legend of Zelda cartridge).

Alas, I do not, so you'll just have to take my word for it.  Considering that 91 was my "sweet spot" for teenaged gaming (15 going on 16), and that I clearly remember Nintendo Power pimping it hard that year, most people my age who had an NES definitely would have played it.  It was THE game to have in 91, well that, and Tecmo Super Bowl, which I got later that year.

I never finished Battletoads, and I don't know anyone who actually did.  If ANYTHING, that's your "Woodstock".  People who said they finished it are mostly BSing, cause that game was impossible.


Yep come part way through the third level it just couldnt be done. I maintain now like I did then that it was a poorly designed game that was basically broken. Even with a game genie parts of it were unbeatable.
 
2013-06-13 10:12:11 PM

frepnog: pxlboy: Oh, man... I remember the Colecovision.

only ever had one damn game, buck rogers, but man it was cool.


lol, buck rogers?  shiat, I don't even remember that game.

The pack in was Ladybug if I recall.  Loved that one.

My favourites from that system were BurgerTime. Donkey Kong, Baseball and Mr. Do.  I know I am missing a few though.

Ahh, good times, things were simpler and more fun back then.
 
2013-06-13 10:38:34 PM

LoR75: lol, buck rogers? shiat, I don't even remember that game.


it was a sort of "behind the ship" zaxxon type shooter.

www.colecovisionzone.com
 
2013-06-13 10:47:16 PM

BumpInTheNight: Lsherm: Racing wheels for the computer never felt right to me, I'm better off with a controller. I can definitely see the advantage to three screens, but it would probably be lost on most console racing games.

Really even with the pedals and stuff?  Some of the most entertaining car-based gaming experiences for me were things like TDU, Dirt1 and the glorious GTA4 with the G25, triple screen and drinks(very important for GTA4).  I agree the crap-ass racers that can't even do the triple aren't worth shiat but when you find a racer, FPS or flight type game that does triple and the peripherals its just one of those things you can return to or relax with.  I've caught myself just roaming around GTA4's city driving like a regular day, its pretty awesome.


Well, I never had the pedals.  And now that you've put the bug in my head about it, I might try the G27.  God knows I've spent a small fortune on flight gear.
 
2013-06-13 10:50:16 PM

James!: Tell you what I want to buy one box and then put a disk into it and the game works.  I don't want to have to know about video cards and sound cards and alien whatevers.


Interesting, tell me more about what it's like to live in 1996.
 
2013-06-13 10:58:38 PM

ramblinwreck: HeartBurnKid: nmrsnr: Do people have computers that are constantly connected to their TVs?

I do.

Yes.  HDMI connected.  I can use wireless keyboard/mouse and use my 50" TV to play games or stream movies/shows on it.  Don't typically play games on the TV as I have 27" 3D monitor that is pretty awesome to play games on.


Me too. Upgraded my HTPC with some older parts from my main 'work' PC in my office. It only has a Phenom II 810 X4 and a GeForce 285, but I can still play most games without issue and it also acts as my main media server (3x3TB HD's in RAID). Plug in my 360 controller and I go to town on most indie titles and a few slightly older ones (Arkham Asylum, Borderlands 2). I still do most of my FPS gaming on my main rig though, can't quite get a good setup for fast paced games with the mouse keyboard. Probably going to get an adjustable tray that sits on my lap next extra cash I get.
 
2013-06-13 11:09:59 PM

YodaBlues: ramblinwreck: HeartBurnKid: nmrsnr: Do people have computers that are constantly connected to their TVs?

I do.

Yes.  HDMI connected.  I can use wireless keyboard/mouse and use my 50" TV to play games or stream movies/shows on it.  Don't typically play games on the TV as I have 27" 3D monitor that is pretty awesome to play games on.

Me too. Upgraded my HTPC with some older parts from my main 'work' PC in my office. It only has a Phenom II 810 X4 and a GeForce 285, but I can still play most games without issue and it also acts as my main media server (3x3TB HD's in RAID). Plug in my 360 controller and I go to town on most indie titles and a few slightly older ones (Arkham Asylum, Borderlands 2). I still do most of my FPS gaming on my main rig though, can't quite get a good setup for fast paced games with the mouse keyboard. Probably going to get an adjustable tray that sits on my lap next extra cash I get.


Similar story here, except my GPU was purchased just for my HTPC.  Didn't spend much money on it; it's a 7750 I got for about $60 on Black Friday.  CPU is a Phenom II 960T.  It might need an upgrade once the new consoles come out and there's a new "baseline", but maybe not.  It handles pretty well.  Only problem is the janky controllers I got for it.  Last time I cheap out and get knock-off Datel controllers instead of something reputable.
 
2013-06-13 11:18:07 PM

Cytokine Storm: IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES.


Is that pesos?
 
2013-06-13 11:21:25 PM

HeartBurnKid: Only problem is the janky controllers I got for it.  Last time I cheap out and get knock-off Datel controllers instead of something reputable.


I think you can grab the wireless xBox 360 controller for a PC for $40.  It's worth it because you can also use the controller on the xBox.  Been using one for over a year and haven't had any problems, and it's pretty solid.
 
2013-06-13 11:28:40 PM

yet_another_wumpus: nmrsnr:
Every console since NES has been exactly the same.

Except that Atari 400/800 owners (1979) weren't all that impressed with NES (1985).


As someone who was a kid in the 80s with an Atari 800XL with a huge library and then an NES with a decentish library, I have to disagree with this. I played the crap out of the Atari 8-bit games, and there were lots of great ones, but the NES simply blew me away with the level of on-screen action it could have. Huge levels, lots of sprites, etc. There were very few games that featured, say, smooth-scrolling platforming like Super Mario or lots of on-screen enemies like Legend of Zelda. And the NES could do it at a higher resolution with more colors, and often better music as well (although that could probably be chalked up to the NES having more professionally-developed games vs. all the Atari shareware I had from random programmers who weren't musicians). There absolutely were some amazing Atari games that were never matched though (Lucasfilm games, Star Raiders, Bill Williams games...).

I still play a fair number of games on both systems when I'm in a nostalgic mood, and I have extremely fond memories of them both, but for raw gaming pixel pushing power the NES definitely beat out the 8-bit Atari to an elementary-aged kid.
 
2013-06-13 11:52:46 PM

nmrsnr: Yeah, technology hasn't changed at all from this:

[www.16bitsirens.com image 500x375]

to this:

[farm7.static.flickr.com image 640x358]

Every console since NES has been exactly the same.


And yet with each improvement they make, its still far inferior to what you can get out of a PC
 
2013-06-13 11:59:49 PM

lordargent: [i3.kym-cdn.com image 700x400]


I'm nearly a glorious god gamer!
/don't have a Nintendo console
 
2013-06-14 12:04:02 AM
Whatever you do, don't give microsoft your credit card information. Might as well be giving it to a nigerian prince.
 
2013-06-14 12:06:19 AM

Practical_Draconian: Just wake me up when someone makes a new NHL hockey game for the PC. Even better if someone takes it away from EA if legally possible.

/haven't bought an Xbox 360 game in two or more years


Big Fat THIS
 
2013-06-14 12:28:34 AM
Lost 2 years and gained 200 pounds to world of Warcraft lost 150 of the weight and gained a social life in the 18 monts after I deleted it.

/ got a 360 for xmiss played it about 3 times
 
2013-06-14 12:29:22 AM
No one said consoles are going away, it's just that they have given up on 'hardcore gamers' aka actual gamers.
 
2013-06-14 12:32:55 AM

traylor: [www.mopo.ca image 502x361]


/and how is it a FAIL, you Dirty Peasantmitter?


I have a mark there too. why is that????????

/am now subtly freaked out.
 
2013-06-14 12:54:41 AM

MadSkillz: traylor: [www.mopo.ca image 502x361]


/and how is it a FAIL, you Dirty Peasantmitter?

I have a mark there too. why is that????????

/am now subtly freaked out.


You don't use proper wrist padding at your rig.
 
2013-06-14 01:17:26 AM

lewismarktwo: MadSkillz: traylor: [www.mopo.ca image 502x361]


/and how is it a FAIL, you Dirty Peasantmitter?

I have a mark there too. why is that????????

/am now subtly freaked out.

You don't use proper wrist padding at your rig.


Hrm must be my work one. I don't use those gel wrist rests because they are as unergonomic as they come. So my wrist tends to hit the laminated wood desk.
 
2013-06-14 01:44:20 AM
Joe. C, AKA Monstro, is a moron.

He thinks "whiskey" is spelled "whiskey" and not "whisky", and he thinks the perfect "whiskey" can be found on the south coast of England.

QED.
 
2013-06-14 02:57:45 AM

James!: Tell you what I want to buy one box and then put a disk into it and the game works.  I don't want to have to know about video cards and sound cards and alien whatevers.


Tell you what... when I finish playing my game on my computer, I'm going to write a document in word... then I'm going to rip some CDs to play in my portable media player and a movie or two for my media center... then I'm going to build and animate some 3d models in 3d studio max or maya... then I'm going to surf the web and maybe download a movie or some music (legal of course)... then I'm going to edit some video and music... then do a little compositing... then some video conferencing... after that a little photo editing... then paint some artwork... and maybe design a logo. Then I can switch it over to DVR mode and watch some TV that I recorded earlier.

You, on the other hand, can play a game.

That's the difference... after I'm finished playing, I still have a real live honest to jebus computer that I can use for all sorts of nifty stuff that I built myself, for the same price as that console... and without microsh*t spying on me. And if I want to play "next gen" games, a simple upgrade of the old video card (which I can sell on eBay) usually does the trick.
 
2013-06-14 03:13:06 AM

Cyno01: [fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net image 780x458]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x478]


That second one is a pretty hilarious wallpaper.
 
2013-06-14 05:14:55 AM

MadSkillz: lewismarktwo: MadSkillz: traylor: [www.mopo.ca image 502x361]


/and how is it a FAIL, you Dirty Peasantmitter?

I have a mark there too. why is that????????

/am now subtly freaked out.

You don't use proper wrist padding at your rig.

Hrm must be my work one. I don't use those gel wrist rests because they are as unergonomic as they come. So my wrist tends to hit the laminated wood desk.


You wanna know what I use?  Two beer coozies stacked on top of each other.  Works a treat.
 
2013-06-14 06:37:57 AM

Lsherm: BumpInTheNight: Lsherm: Racing wheels for the computer never felt right to me, I'm better off with a controller. I can definitely see the advantage to three screens, but it would probably be lost on most console racing games.

Really even with the pedals and stuff?  Some of the most entertaining car-based gaming experiences for me were things like TDU, Dirt1 and the glorious GTA4 with the G25, triple screen and drinks(very important for GTA4).  I agree the crap-ass racers that can't even do the triple aren't worth shiat but when you find a racer, FPS or flight type game that does triple and the peripherals its just one of those things you can return to or relax with.  I've caught myself just roaming around GTA4's city driving like a regular day, its pretty awesome.

Well, I never had the pedals.  And now that you've put the bug in my head about it, I might try the G27.  God knows I've spent a small fortune on flight gear.


Aye the wheel + pedals (and shifter if you're into that) are the full package and as needed as a joystick is for the flight games.  I've tried several  types of wheel offerings and I still think the Logitech G25/G27 types are the better ones.  They just feel more solid, the feedback on the wheel is good, the pedal box thing grips nicely to carpet and I gotta admit the leathery wheel grips pretty good too.  As an example:  My girlfriend who is by no means a gamer and particularly dislikes racing types games absolutely loves to roam around GTA4 using the wheel.  I remember it being somewhat of a hassle to setup with that particular game but nothing a quick google can't resolve.
 
2013-06-14 09:47:36 AM

Hagbardr: nmrsnr: CynicalLA: All new video cards come with a HDMI output just like consoles.

I didn't say it was hard, I said more annoying. Do people have computers that are constantly connected to their TVs? I have a laptop that I like to be able to use from my table, my couch, my bedroom, and I use my PS3 as a media center to stream my media to the TV when I want to watch video from my computer on the TV screen, having to plug it in to the TV every time I want to play games is a step I don't have to take with just a console. Not a huge hassle, but why bother when the PS3 is already there?

I have a PC I built a few months ago on a $1000 budget from my tax return. HDMI to the TV, wireless mouse and keyboard, and WiFi. All I had to do to set it up was to leave the cables in place from the one I built about 4 years ago. I moved the old one (still capable of running most games) to my bedroom and replaced my daughter's computer with my old P4 bedroom computer. Everybody gets an upgrade.


I've got a similar situation.  Built a computer for about 800 back when PS3s were about 600 a pop and I've been continually upgrading over time.  Right now I have my computer desk in the same room as my TV so I've got a 25 foot HDMI cable running under along the edge of the wall to the TV.  No visual cables whatsoever and from there I have it set to constantly mirror the primary monitor display so that anything I bring up on my left monitor is being streamed out to the TV simultaniously so the worst thing I have to do is change the sound output to the HDTV and I'm set for whatever.  Add in a wireless keyboard/mouse/controller situation and really there's nothing stopping me from using it
 
2013-06-14 09:49:26 AM
Ooh, the daily "PC vs. PS4 vs. Xbox One" thread is an OPINION blog about the PC this time, since we already had an Xbox One and PS4 thread this week, it's a refreshing change.

In any case, I'll just leave these here to anyone who wants to really game (and, well, anything else) on the TV:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009E6R89C
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004QRKWKQ

/After these one-time purchases, all PC upgrades now also upgrade my "console" gaming experience
 
2013-06-14 09:51:33 AM

nmrsnr: Yeah, technology hasn't changed at all from this:

[www.16bitsirens.com image 500x375]

to this:

[farm7.static.flickr.com image 640x358]

Every console since NES has been exactly the same.


Bad example there slick...the former absolutely rocks the latter due to innovative story-telling and game play (for the time).  There's nothing new about Red Dead Redemption...that game utterly sucked on PS3 and improved graphics won't make it better.

/replaying FF7 gave me a more unique experience than my first time through RDD did...
 
2013-06-14 10:08:58 AM

Lsherm: HeartBurnKid: Only problem is the janky controllers I got for it.  Last time I cheap out and get knock-off Datel controllers instead of something reputable.

I think you can grab the wireless xBox 360 controller for a PC for $40.  It's worth it because you can also use the controller on the xBox.  Been using one for over a year and haven't had any problems, and it's pretty solid.


Oh, I know.  The Datel controllers I have are for XBox.  I got them for half the price of the official controllers, and I think I was overcharged.  On one of them, the right analog tends to get stuck and keep moving even after I release it, and on the other, the left stick will sometimes go left or right, if it feels like it, but not consistently.  And no amount of calibration seems to fix this.
 
2013-06-14 10:20:20 AM

lordargent: [i3.kym-cdn.com image 700x400]


^^ Someone who has enough money to spend on all systems because he has no girl to spend money on and Mom's basement is rent-free.
 
2013-06-14 10:22:05 AM

ProfessorOhki: captainktainer: With the Playstation 4, being able to use the PS Vita as a controller or to play the entire game is a true next-gen feature, as are the improvements to XBox Smartglass.

[www.nintendoworldreport.com image 400x400]

Not that I don't love the feature, but all that's really *new* about it is being wireless and handling it at the OS-level (or mandating devs implement it) instead of it being an optional gimmick.


it depends on how well it works, the vita stuff is definitely gimmicky because of latency but nintendo did such a great job with the wii u that off-tv play or second-screen features should be required in every wii u game imo
 
2013-06-14 10:25:15 AM

nmrsnr: Every console since NES has been exactly the same.


My inlaws actually believe this.
 
2013-06-14 10:26:00 AM

Cytokine Storm: CynicalLA: Cytokine Storm: IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES.  Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk.  Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.

I'll just stick to the nice and easy to use console.

Wrong on all accounts.  Hopefully sarcasm.

It was.  Last thread I tried over the top sarcasm as well but so many people bought into it, it made me have a sad.

In reality I do both, console and PC.  I've got a pretty elaborate (but not that expensive) setup after years of tinkering - both my consoles and primary gaming PC are hooked up to the same 1080p projector - so most of my game playing takes place from the couch regardless of machine, at 120" of life-size goodness.
Only time I really sit at a desk anymore is when I'm doing work.




Consoles mean waiting.

Waiting.

Waiting.

Can I play yet?
 
2013-06-14 10:39:26 AM
This may be a good place to ask...I am giving up on my dedication to the Xbox, the 360 will be the last one I buy. I'm looking to get into the PC gaming instead, as I figure it can do anything and more that the PS4 or XB1 can do. My question is, how's my system looking?
Cheap-ass MSI motherboard,
Intel Core i3 550 @ 3.2 Ghz,
3 Gigs Ram,
EVGA GTX 650

Think this'll work? I am not too good with tech specs or knowing if I need a new processor/whatnot.
 
2013-06-14 10:40:30 AM

HeartBurnKid: Lsherm: HeartBurnKid: Only problem is the janky controllers I got for it.  Last time I cheap out and get knock-off Datel controllers instead of something reputable.

I think you can grab the wireless xBox 360 controller for a PC for $40.  It's worth it because you can also use the controller on the xBox.  Been using one for over a year and haven't had any problems, and it's pretty solid.

Oh, I know.  The Datel controllers I have are for XBox.  I got them for half the price of the official controllers, and I think I was overcharged.  On one of them, the right analog tends to get stuck and keep moving even after I release it, and on the other, the left stick will sometimes go left or right, if it feels like it, but not consistently.  And no amount of calibration seems to fix this.


ah, the curse of third party peripherals.  They always suck, except for Logitech - the wireless original xbox controller I used to have was outstanding.
 
rpm
2013-06-14 10:40:46 AM

HeartBurnKid: Oh, I know.  The Datel controllers I have are for XBox.  I got them for half the price of the official controllers, and I think I was overcharged.  On one of them, the right analog tends to get stuck and keep moving even after I release it, and on the other, the left stick will sometimes go left or right, if it feels like it, but not consistently.  And no amount of calibration seems to fix this.


And do not ever bother with Penguin controllers. Every single one that I've had has had stick issues like yours.
 
2013-06-14 10:49:27 AM

croesius: This may be a good place to ask...I am giving up on my dedication to the Xbox, the 360 will be the last one I buy. I'm looking to get into the PC gaming instead, as I figure it can do anything and more that the PS4 or XB1 can do. My question is, how's my system looking?
Cheap-ass MSI motherboard,
Intel Core i3 550 @ 3.2 Ghz,
3 Gigs Ram,
EVGA GTX 650

Think this'll work? I am not too good with tech specs or knowing if I need a new processor/whatnot.


The video card is 'gaming lite' capable(good enough though, for sure), processor is good enough for most gaming (quadcores are little more standard issue but a 3.2Ghz I3 is still nothing to sneeze at).  What I'm curious about is where the odd amount of ram comes from:  Is it 4 sticks or 3?  If its 3 that's just an odd configuration in general and you'd be doing yourself a big favour to get rid of the single man out and replace it with another pair (DDR works at only half speed if its an odd amount of sticks)
 
2013-06-14 10:50:58 AM
^^ Er and I wanted to say I went and looked up the processor before hand to make sure it was a dual channel controller rather then triple.
 
2013-06-14 10:56:56 AM

frepnog: HeartBurnKid: Lsherm: HeartBurnKid: Only problem is the janky controllers I got for it.  Last time I cheap out and get knock-off Datel controllers instead of something reputable.

I think you can grab the wireless xBox 360 controller for a PC for $40.  It's worth it because you can also use the controller on the xBox.  Been using one for over a year and haven't had any problems, and it's pretty solid.

Oh, I know.  The Datel controllers I have are for XBox.  I got them for half the price of the official controllers, and I think I was overcharged.  On one of them, the right analog tends to get stuck and keep moving even after I release it, and on the other, the left stick will sometimes go left or right, if it feels like it, but not consistently.  And no amount of calibration seems to fix this.

ah, the curse of third party peripherals.  They always suck, except for Logitech - the wireless original xbox controller I used to have was outstanding.


Logitech's good, I agree.  I have a wired pad I use for my desktop when I game on there; it has an odd "floating d-pad" design that takes some getting used to, but it works great.

Hell, maybe I should forget the 360 controllers altogether and score a couple of wireless Logitechs.
 
2013-06-14 11:25:16 AM
BumpInTheNight, thanks for the answer (this damn phone don't like quoting). The odd amount of ram is a mystery to me as well, it was an all-in-one kit I received as a gift a few years back. I have a feeling your idea of upgrading to a more nice, round number would be the ticket. I suppose if I want to do anything involving Frostbite 3, my first order of business would be to get Windows 7 and finally move away from XP.
 
2013-06-14 11:30:17 AM

HeartBurnKid: Hell, maybe I should forget the 360 controllers altogether and score a couple of wireless Logitechs.


the biatch is that so many new games simply do not recognize any gamepad that is not the official Xbox pad.  That shiat pisses me off.  My PC gamepad is an original Xbox controller S modified with a standard USB plug.  It works great for the games that will actually SEE the damn thing.
 
2013-06-14 11:31:31 AM

croesius: BumpInTheNight, thanks for the answer (this damn phone don't like quoting). The odd amount of ram is a mystery to me as well, it was an all-in-one kit I received as a gift a few years back. I have a feeling your idea of upgrading to a more nice, round number would be the ticket. I suppose if I want to do anything involving Frostbite 3, my first order of business would be to get Windows 7 and finally move away from XP.


Welcome for sure.  XP...likely XP32, ah that answers it:  There's a 50/50 you actually have 4GB of ram just the operating system only reports 3GB-ish of it due limitation of the OS.  A 32bit system can only address 2^32 of memory and that has to cover all memory including the various buffers and your video card's own, the left over is then mapped across your general system memory (leaving you with usually ~3GB).  If you're curious though you could install a little app called CPUz and it'll tell you all kinds of interesting (to geeks) information about your system, including the memory layout.
 
2013-06-14 11:32:03 AM

frepnog: HeartBurnKid: Hell, maybe I should forget the 360 controllers altogether and score a couple of wireless Logitechs.

the biatch is that so many new games simply do not recognize any gamepad that is not the official Xbox pad.  That shiat pisses me off.  My PC gamepad is an original Xbox controller S modified with a standard USB plug.  It works great for the games that will actually SEE the damn thing.


The F310 I use actually supports XInput (can't use it on an Xbox, but you can use it on any PC game that supports Xbox gamepads), and I've seen a wireless version of it (the F710), so that's no worry.
 
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