Millennium: Been there, done that, and it showed me just how right I was.
nmrsnr: CynicalLA: All new video cards come with a HDMI output just like consoles.I didn't say it was hard, I said more annoying. Do people have computers that are constantly connected to their TVs? I have a laptop that I like to be able to use from my table, my couch, my bedroom, and I use my PS3 as a media center to stream my media to the TV when I want to watch video from my computer on the TV screen, having to plug it in to the TV every time I want to play games is a step I don't have to take with just a console. Not a huge hassle, but why bother when the PS3 is already there?
Cytokine Storm: IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES. Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk. Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.I'll just stick to the nice and easy to use console.
nmrsnr: Do people have computers that are constantly connected to their TVs?
neongoats: http://kotaku.com/kotaku-takes-the-oculus-rift-for-a-spin-486679107This was linked in the article, and it's a good watch. I think this + kinect like motion sensing could make the most psychologically damaging, life sucking mmog imaginable. The kinect being there to animate your avatar's limbs, so that when you lift your arms in front of your face, arms of your avatar display. Etc. Throw some noise cancelling, surround headphones in. Sit in a chair made of acoustic foam in a room exactly 71f degrees. BAM holodeck, kinda.
frepnog: There was NOTHING like Doom on a console for a VERY long time. There was NOTHING like Magic Carpet. There was NOTHING like Decent. Nothing like Marathon. All of that pre-dates the voodoo. For a very long time, the PC was VASTLY superior to ALL the consoles until around the Xbox\PS2\Gamecube era, when the consoles finally caught up to a degree and then were outclassed again almost immediately by the PC.
Cytokine Storm: I've got a dev kit to play with, it really is going to be quite awesome when they come out with the consumer model. Interestingly enough, when wearing the Rift the most natural feeling control scheme changes depending on what you're doing. If you're in a game with a cockpit then sitting down in a chair feels just fine, but something with walking/running like say TF2/Minecraft, it feels a little odd, like something is missing. The world slides by while you stand still. For those games it'd feel best inside the Virtuix Omni treadmill that's coming out next year. It's pretty crazy how a true first-person perspective can play with your brain.
kab: I think both Sony and MS missed the boat with this latest round... and should have been forward thinking enough to develop with the idea that 4k tv's will likely drop in price and become a reality in a good number of households in the next 5-7 years. How are these new consoles going to do running @ that sort of resolution?
evilmrsock: kab: I think both Sony and MS missed the boat with this latest round... and should have been forward thinking enough to develop with the idea that 4k tv's will likely drop in price and become a reality in a good number of households in the next 5-7 years. How are these new consoles going to do running @ that sort of resolution?Console generations are 5-7 years long. You JUST estimated that it will take the entire lifetime of the upcoming console generation before 4k tvs are a reality in a good number of households, and want to know why they aren't going to support them?
red5ish: Lots of them have underutilized computers constantly connected to their TVs; they're called game consoles.
kab: evilmrsock: kab: I think both Sony and MS missed the boat with this latest round... and should have been forward thinking enough to develop with the idea that 4k tv's will likely drop in price and become a reality in a good number of households in the next 5-7 years. How are these new consoles going to do running @ that sort of resolution?Console generations are 5-7 years long. You JUST estimated that it will take the entire lifetime of the upcoming console generation before 4k tvs are a reality in a good number of households, and want to know why they aren't going to support them?I should have said 'within' then.
Cytokine Storm: Oh and this is neat, though it doesn't actually confirm anything.Sony Computer Entertainment head of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida is a big Oculus Rift fan, it turns out. "We've got a couple of the development kits, and I tried it out and I love it," he told us in an interview this morning at E3 2013. Whether the PlayStation 4 will support it is another question. "No, it doesn't," Yoshida told us. Not yet, that is.When we asked whether the company's planning on offering support in the future, he only offered a "No comment" with a big smile. The picture of the retail Oculus Rift is potentially a bit clearer now, especially given this week's addition of an HD version of the headset. We'll be sure to keep on Sony about Oculus support on the PlayStation 4 as the year goes on.
rpm: frepnog: There was NOTHING like Doom on a console for a VERY long time. There was NOTHING like Magic Carpet. There was NOTHING like Decent. Nothing like Marathon. All of that pre-dates the voodoo. For a very long time, the PC was VASTLY superior to ALL the consoles until around the Xbox\PS2\Gamecube era, when the consoles finally caught up to a degree and then were outclassed again almost immediately by the PC.Err, Magic Carpet was on console (2 years after PC)Descent was on console (2 years after PC)Doom was on console (1 year after PC)Marathon was on console (Pippin, so arguable)
Elegy: Look guys. We PC gamers have triumphantly crowed that each new generation of consoles was heralding the "end of the console era." And we know that every new generation of consoles have sold more than the last generation.But this time, we really, really mean it. It's really going to be the end of consoles, we pinky swear.This time, it's going to be different, we promise.
nmrsnr: red5ish: Lots of them have underutilized computers constantly connected to their TVs; they're called game consoles.I'd say "specialized" instead of "underutilized" and that's my point, I constantly move my computer around and use it for various and sundry purposes, I have no problem paying a small amount for a specialized gaming computer that lives connected to my TV. I can use my computer as a DVD/Blu-Ray player, netflix streaming device, and gaming platform, or I can buy a PS3 which does all that and acts like a dedicated external hard drive for games, without me having to configure much of anything since that's what it's built for, having it always be connected to the TV, unlike my laptop, and not having to worry about compatibility and upgrading until the next console comes out (which is now, but I generally wait a year or two.). Like I said, not a huge deal, but a convenience thing that I'm willing to shell out $300 every 6-7 years for./that's less per year than TF, if you think about it.
Lsherm: I'm a master race PC Gamer, but I'll probably get both just because sometimes I like to chill on the couch and play games on a giant tv. For whatever reason when I play PC games I like to be at my desk. Playing a FPS with a controller is for rubes, but playing a racing game without a controller is for tards.On a completely unrelated note, I just bought NoLimits roller coaster simulator and even though it's been out for ten years, I somehow missed it. It's pretty cool.Damn difficult to build your own coaster, though. It's going to require some work.
poot_rootbeer: baufan2005: Graphics have jumped greatly but I find that both console and pc games are becoming way too easy. It's almost to the point of if you can't beat a level or certain challenge the ai will do it for you.Back in the day they didn't measure the scope of a single-player game in terms of hours, because how long it took you to see the ending -- or even whether you'd see it at all -- was a function of how well you had mastered the gameplay.Sure, Super Mario Bros. may be theoretically beatable in under 5 minutes, but I'm betting as a 10-year-old you spent hours and hours and saw dozens of Game Over screens trying to get past the Hammer Brothers. How many hours long in Super Mario Bros.?
stuhayes2010: Like the next iPhone, what magical features should the next consoles have? Better graphics and speed is about all you should expect.
Mike_LowELL: yet_another_wumpus: The only thing PCs had going was high resolution graphicsYou're absolutely correct that developers had to take some shortcuts to get good graphics out of the platform, but the thing PCs had going for them was the most complex input scheme in wide use, only made more complex and accurate by the adoption of the mouse. Just putting that on the record.
ProfessorOhki: The one thing that hurts PC though is that it's so ubiquitous. Most PC games will get a console port. It might be lesser quality, but it'll usually be playable
theurge14: AdamK:fast forward to today, and the PC is a huge global market, and Steam is still solidly better than what either microsoft or sony offer game-wise on top of still being free and more open[i.imgur.com image 152x143]
nmrsnr: Like you, I have a PCs and consoles, so my point is more that the narrowing price difference makes the dedicated PC much more attractive.That's not a bad idea, but a $900 computer is still 3 times more expensive than what I generally buy the consoles at, maybe when I'm getting ready to buy the PS4 in two or three years I'll consider it.
baufan2005: Graphics have jumped greatly but I find that both console and pc games are becoming way too easy. It's almost to the point of if you can't beat a level or certain challenge the ai will do it for you.
LoR75: Also, Battletoads still gives me nightmares to this day.
frepnog: did anyone else read the ridiculous article in last month's game informer magazine about how current insanely powerful PC's are not true next gen gaming because all games have to be cut down to also work on the consoles?It was the funniest bunch of bullshiat I had read in awhile.in part -"DISPELLING THE MYTH (title): When Sony revealed the PS4, I read some of the comments regarding the console online and noticed that one persistent myth kept appearing - current PC games are already next generation. That's simply not true.The reality is that high-end PC is a small market for developers and publishers, although it has seen some significant growth over the last few years. I played Crysis 3, and it's a beautiful game. However, at its core Crysis 3 was also designed to run on current consoles and less powerful PCs. Every graphical enhancement you see on a high-end PC, no matter how pretty it is, is just eye candy. Crytek could not design levels and enemies that would impact gameplay unless those elements would also work on Xbox 360 and PS3. Core design has to work on all systems, which limits developers working on today's consoles compared to those who are working on next-generation consoles.Games like Diablo III, Watch Dogs, and Destiny are going to look better on next generation of consoles. However, they are not, at their core, going to be very different today's games unless exclusive content is released for the new consoles. For example, Destiny's PS4-exclusive content might be something that pushes gameplay that wouldn't be possible on current-gen consoles."
frepnog: LoR75: Also, Battletoads still gives me nightmares to this day.I view Battletoads almost like I view Woodstock - if everyone that claims to have been damaged by Battletoads had actually owned that game, it would be a modern franchise with millions and millions of copies sold./most NES owners never actually played Battletoads. Its infamy is almost soley based on internet Youtube videos and ROM playthrus.
Need a Dispenser Here: If you typically stick to AAA titles, he isn't wrong. The exception would be a few genres that are typically poorly implemented on consoles (RTS, flight sims). You aren't going to have a console version and a PC version of the same game where core game elements are different for something like an FPS, but let's see a console play something like http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/products/warthog/ using a controller.
Practical_Draconian: Just wake me up when someone makes a new NHL hockey game for the PC. Even better if someone takes it away from EA if legally possible./haven't bought an Xbox 360 game in two or more years
BumpInTheNight: Does Skyrim count as an FPS?
frepnog: BumpInTheNight: Does Skyrim count as an FPS?not really, but is sort of is. sort of. no i guess it really isnt. i mean it is first person and all and you can do some "shooting".
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