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(io9)   Group of scientists and entrepreneurs built continuous message beacon to communicate with extraterrestrial civilizations. People can use it to transmit their own messages into space for a small fee. Because what could possibly go wrong?   (io9.com) divider line 96
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2013-06-13 06:23:34 PM  
"I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"

/actually might have a chance of being obscure
 
2013-06-13 06:39:25 PM  
Well taking Earth history into consideration and the fact that every time human explorers met less advanced people, they treated them with nothing but love and respect; I don't see what could possibly go wrong.
 
2013-06-13 06:50:36 PM  
serc.carleton.edu
 
2013-06-13 06:51:41 PM  
Send more Alien ambassadors!


makeiteighteh.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-13 06:57:04 PM  
Dear Aliens - FYI blacks and arabs are the tastiest humans.
 
2013-06-13 06:57:05 PM  
WELCOME TO EARF

static.uloz.to

/being way out near the edge can be a good thing
 
2013-06-13 06:59:11 PM  
I am finance minister of Earth nation Nigeria. I have need of your assistance dear sentient being.
 
2013-06-13 07:10:30 PM  
HEY ALIENS, WHY YOU NO TINYCHAT. SHO YER BOOBS.
 
2013-06-13 07:15:01 PM  
We're mostly harmless!
 
2013-06-13 07:17:36 PM  
Single white male humanoid earthling seeks female extraterrestrial for casual encounter/abduction.
i1243.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 07:31:59 PM  
I'm not worried about them arriving and attacking us, I'm worried about xenophobes wanting a first strike "just in case" and dispatching a slow but deadly automatic attack; self replicating nanites or a small black hole or just a big asteroid that would travel at .01C but would get here eventually.  It is foolish to announce that we are here.
 
2013-06-13 07:59:13 PM  

KarmicDisaster: I'm not worried about them arriving and attacking us, I'm worried about xenophobes wanting a first strike "just in case" and dispatching a slow but deadly automatic attack; self replicating nanites or a small black hole or just a big asteroid that would travel at .01C but would get here eventually.  It is foolish to announce that we are here.


The kind of paranoid and childish worldview you have says everything about you, and nothing about the universe.

threadjackistan: Quantum Apostrophe: They can't get here just like we can't get there. Stop worrying.

Except we can get there. Sure it would cost a few trillion dollars, take a few hundred years to get past the closest couple dozen stars, and possibly lead to a big uptick in cancers here on Earth; but the fact remains that using available materials and technologies the gulf between the stars could be crossed. It wouldn't be fun or easy, and it's very likely we wouldn't find anything. But I believe it could be done.


How many things have you had break down or not go as planned just in the last month?

Pretty bold claims you are making. You *think* "we" (whoever that "we" is) can get there, but offer nothing substantial other than vague notions of fantasy-levels of technology and energy which we DO NOT have.
 
2013-06-13 08:10:50 PM  
.... . -.-- .-.-.- / .- -..-. ... -..-. .-.. ..--.. / .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.- / ..- / - .... . .-. . ..--.. / ..- / --- ..- - / - .... . .-. . ..--..
 
2013-06-13 08:15:28 PM  
Come for dinner we are made of meat.
 
2013-06-13 09:04:01 PM  
We have come to deliver extinction
static.guim.co.uk
to those who would call us "fart knockers"



 
2013-06-13 09:09:37 PM  
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EARTH ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE
 
2013-06-13 09:11:03 PM  
Bah weep grana weep ninibong.
 
2013-06-13 09:52:31 PM  

dittybopper: They'll just ignore it, because we're made out of meat.


"That's impossible. What about the radio signals?"
 
2013-06-13 09:53:12 PM  
.-.. . -- --- -. .--. .- .-. - -.-- .-.-.- --- .-. --.
 
2013-06-13 10:00:57 PM  
My choice...
 
2013-06-13 10:02:24 PM  
Transmission disconnect...
baddestmotherever.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-13 11:27:02 PM  
www.angelfire.lycos.com
This.
 
2013-06-13 11:27:53 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
I mean this.

/bastards
 
2013-06-14 12:11:13 AM  
"Hey aliens, fark you!  You will never conquer the human race!  So go ahead and try it.  Come on, come and see if you can conquer us, you puny little farkers!"
 
2013-06-14 12:13:09 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: "I seem to be having tremendous difficulty with my lifestyle"

/actually might have a chance of being obscure


Nope.  Not obscure at all.
 
2013-06-14 12:37:32 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: KarmicDisaster: I'm not worried about them arriving and attacking us, I'm worried about xenophobes wanting a first strike "just in case" and dispatching a slow but deadly automatic attack; self replicating nanites or a small black hole or just a big asteroid that would travel at .01C but would get here eventually.  It is foolish to announce that we are here.

The kind of paranoid and childish worldview you have says everything about you, and nothing about the universe.

threadjackistan: Quantum Apostrophe: They can't get here just like we can't get there. Stop worrying.

Except we can get there. Sure it would cost a few trillion dollars, take a few hundred years to get past the closest couple dozen stars, and possibly lead to a big uptick in cancers here on Earth; but the fact remains that using available materials and technologies the gulf between the stars could be crossed. It wouldn't be fun or easy, and it's very likely we wouldn't find anything. But I believe it could be done.

How many things have you had break down or not go as planned just in the last month?

Pretty bold claims you are making. You *think* "we" (whoever that "we" is) can get there, but offer nothing substantial other than vague notions of fantasy-levels of technology and energy which we DO NOT have.


Most of my stuff is 'all made in Taiwan', so I'm not sure that counts.

And it's not fantasy levels of technology and energy. It's good old fashioned nuclear bombs. The designs were all worked out in the 1950s and in the 1960s, what we'll loosely call the propellant was designed and tested. The whole project was shelved under Kennedy because the Air Force also designed some thousand ton battleship that used nuclear shaped charges to fire a directed energy weapon, 6-inch naval cannons for point defense, and hundreds of regular nukes for blowing the hell out of Russia. It was a ridiculous design for a weapon, but it was entirely plausible.

It's a giant atomic spaceship. Totally plausible. They were literally about to build the damn thing when a treaty made it illegal. It isn't fantasy land. It isnt a warp drive. I'd tell you to look it up, but I know you wont.

Just saying, the interstellar void is not as uncrossable as you claim. And these people trying to signal aliens are the real nutters. I really think they ought to shut down.
 
2013-06-14 12:59:18 AM  

SevenizGud: I would send out an A440 tone with durations of the following number of seconds, in order, and then repeat:

1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 56, 92, 144...


Not a completely horrible idea, it would definitely be non-random. But the "voice" you're speaking with in this instance is a bit arbitrary. How we defined the A440 tone and seconds themselves are something we basically just agreed on, as far as I can tell. I guess the message doesn't have to be "intelligently designed" in every possible way.

Quantum Apostrophe: KarmicDisaster: I'm not worried about them arriving and attacking us, I'm worried about xenophobes wanting a first strike "just in case" and dispatching a slow but deadly automatic attack; self replicating nanites or a small black hole or just a big asteroid that would travel at .01C but would get here eventually.  It is foolish to announce that we are here.

The kind of paranoid and childish worldview you have says everything about you, and nothing about the universe.


If you're in a strange place and you don't know what's around, you don't go "Hello? Is anybody there?". You keep your farking mouth shut and your eyes open until you know what's around and if it's a threat or not. Until you've been there so long or your conditions are so dire that the risk is worth it. To give up the elements of stealth and surprise, knowingly and willingly, is a last resort sort of move. While you may say this mentality is paranoid, which it does indeed have a healthy dose of paranoia, there's no universal law that says intelligent life must be friendly. And while there may be nothing at all out there, or it may be friendly, the possibility still exists that there is a different civilization and it is a threat, however slim the odds.

I personally wouldn't send out messages, especially as our ability to detect things out there is growing so quickly right now. But I'm not too worried about it. A, I doubt it reaches the "ears" of anything, and B, If we do discover alien life it would be pretty awesome, even if they set the planet on fire immediately afterward. It's still a bad idea to give up any tactical advantage we may have, but sometimes bad ideas are the most fun. >:)
 
2013-06-14 01:13:39 AM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: SevenizGud: I would send out an A440 tone with durations of the following number of seconds, in order, and then repeat:

1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 56, 92, 144...

Not a completely horrible idea, it would definitely be non-random. But the "voice" you're speaking with in this instance is a bit arbitrary. How we defined the A440 tone and seconds themselves are something we basically just agreed on, as far as I can tell. I guess the message doesn't have to be "intelligently designed" in every possible way.


The isn't to define "seconds", just to show the prim... wait, those aren't primes. Why were those numbers picked?

Anyways, if you picked PRIME numbers, seconds wouldn't matter. Presumably a mathematically-inclined culture could look and see that "hey, the subsequent pulses are 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13 (and so on) times longer than the first one! This is intelligence," without having to know that the pulses are in standard (for us) time units.
 
2013-06-14 01:14:27 AM  

JayCab: Eddie Ate Dynamite: SevenizGud: I would send out an A440 tone with durations of the following number of seconds, in order, and then repeat:

1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 56, 92, 144...

Not a completely horrible idea, it would definitely be non-random...

The isn't to define "seconds", just to show the prim... wait, those aren't primes. Why were those numbers picked?


*googles it* Ah, Fibonacci. OK.
 
2013-06-14 03:25:10 AM  

dahmers love zombie: "I don't know what to make of the Earthlings, but their leader, Weedlord Bonerhitler, is a chatty, chatty dude."


I almost peed when I read that. It broke my funny back when I first encountered that name, and it has lost none of its effect.
 
2013-06-14 05:29:20 AM  

JayCab: JayCab: Eddie Ate Dynamite: SevenizGud: I would send out an A440 tone with durations of the following number of seconds, in order, and then repeat:

1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 56, 92, 144...

Not a completely horrible idea, it would definitely be non-random...

The isn't to define "seconds", just to show the prim... wait, those aren't primes. Why were those numbers picked?

*googles it* Ah, Fibonacci. OK.


Eddie Ate Dynamite: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 56, 92, 144...

Not a completely horrible idea, it would definitely be non-random. But the "voice" you're speaking with in this instance is a bit arbitrary. How we defined the A440 tone and seconds themselves are something we basically just agreed on, as far as I can tell. I guess the message doesn't have to be "intelligently designed" in every possible way.


The intent was to have a single variable, so that a confounded meaning would be least likely. So the frequency, duration, and intensity should not all change. So the frequency could be anything. I chose A440 because I like it.

The numbers are not Fibonacci. They are near-Fibonacci, and I would do that to fark with the aliens and make them stump forever trying to figure out why we would have a near-Fibonacci divergent signal.
 
2013-06-14 05:30:54 AM  

threadjackistan: Quantum Apostrophe: They can't get here just like we can't get there. Stop worrying.

Except we can get there. Sure it would cost a few trillion dollars, take a few hundred years to get past the closest couple dozen stars, and possibly lead to a big uptick in cancers here on Earth; but the fact remains that using available materials and technologies the gulf between the stars could be crossed. It wouldn't be fun or easy, and it's very likely we wouldn't find anything. But I believe it could be done.


Not really. I wish you were right...but not really. If we get out that far, it won't be humans trekking the stars.

It will be our children, the robots. :)

Bums me the fark out, even though I wouldn't be getting to go *anyway*...but yeah. =\ And it's been awfully quiet. Universe is really big. Odds are really good any intelligent life that has an intelligence similiar enough to ours to desire to communicate...is simply too far away for us to do so.

And THAT makes me sadder than I even want to admit. Hope I'm wrong, there's certainly plenty who think otherwise...but that's how it looks currently.

As to danger, even assuming that there's intelligent life, they have the means to travel, and the means to get HERE...what the fark does anyone think they'd want from Earth? Living space? If they can travel to HERE they can get to quite a few planets that would be highly habitable. Plus it's highly unlikely they could utilize any biological resources. And everything else is pretty much a farkton more plentiful in space.

No, the real danger, IMHO, would be the same danger all cultures have faced when they've crashed with another. One culture largely survives, the other is largely assimilated.

Listening seems the least harmful. But thus far, hasn't been real useful, as much as I love SETI.
 
2013-06-14 06:53:17 AM  

Lady Indica: Listening seems the least harmful. But thus far, hasn't been real useful, as much as I love SETI.


Well, it's pure research.  Pure research never seems useful, until it finds something.

Consider the people looking into electromagnetic phenomena back in the late 19th Century.  What use was that?  Except that it led, eventually, to WiFi and cell phones.
 
2013-06-14 07:09:56 AM  

Lady Indica: threadjackistan: Quantum Apostrophe: They can't get here just like we can't get there. Stop worrying.

Except we can get there. Sure it would cost a few trillion dollars, take a few hundred years to get past the closest couple dozen stars, and possibly lead to a big uptick in cancers here on Earth; but the fact remains that using available materials and technologies the gulf between the stars could be crossed. It wouldn't be fun or easy, and it's very likely we wouldn't find anything. But I believe it could be done.

Not really. I wish you were right...but not really. If we get out that far, it won't be humans trekking the stars.

It will be our children, the robots. :)


Well, I didnt mean we could do it, but people could. If they wanted. The technology has existed since the 1960s(nuclear pulse propulsion) though is currently illegal under several treaties.

As to danger, even assuming that there's intelligent life, they have the means to travel, and the means to get HERE...what the fark does anyone think they'd want from Earth?

I can think of one reason: Full service gas station.
 
2013-06-14 07:28:54 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: Continual message bacon will tell the universe we are truly an advanced species for having something so delicious.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who misread that. Mmmmm, delicious continual bacon...
 
2013-06-14 08:14:35 AM  

Slaxl: AliceBToklasLives: By the time anyone intelligent gets the message and is able to respond I'll be long gone so ain't my problem.

What if the aliens are the moon? Now you've pissed them off by suggesting they're not intelligent, and the moon awakens from its millenia of dormant slumber, preparing to wreak revenge upon those humans that have mocked, scoffed, and insulted the flavour of it's cheese.


Get Issac Clarke. He knows how to deal with alien moons.
 
2013-06-14 08:47:04 AM  

threadjackistan: The designs were all worked out in the 1950s and in the 1960s


On paper.

threadjackistan: The technology has existed since the 1960s(nuclear pulse propulsion)


On paper.

dittybopper: Consider the people looking into electromagnetic phenomena back in the late 19th Century. What use was that? Except that it led, eventually, to WiFi and cell phones.


Yes, because handling microwatts of power and picojoules of energy to manipulate information content is JUST LIKE megaengineering!

That's why we totally got rid of that 19th century thing called a "train". Oh, wait.

Almost as if comparing progress in math to progress in the physical world is remarkably stupid.
 
2013-06-14 10:29:04 AM  
"The humans seem to be exceptionally proud of a singer who goes by the name 'Rick Astley,' based on the number of times they have sent us the recordings of his music."
 
2013-06-14 11:23:43 AM  
I love how sending out a feeble radio signal is bad, but a string of nuclear explosions pointing straight back at Earth with expanding clouds of radioactive elements lingering for decades is the better idea. Space Nutters can't even be bothered to think their fantasies through. Since they'll never happen, it's not a loss I guess.
 
2013-06-14 11:40:16 AM  

Ishkur: I wrote a short story once about a race of grumpy-old-man aliens who come to earth, wipe out all the telecommunications equipment, and then leave.

They never make any attempt to speak with us or explain themselves and our innocent protests go unheeded, but after they leave our scientists intercept an indecipherable message from them which, after years of struggling, we finally cruft out a rough translation:

"It's 3am -- turn that farking shiat off!"


Wouldn't it be funny if something like this did happen, but because all the radio signals we transmit into space make communications in or passing through the space near earth really spotty?
 
2013-06-14 03:50:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: dittybopper: Consider the people looking into electromagnetic phenomena back in the late 19th Century. What use was that? Except that it led, eventually, to WiFi and cell phones.

Yes, because handling microwatts of power and picojoules of energy to manipulate information content is JUST LIKE megaengineering!

That's why we totally got rid of that 19th century thing called a "train". Oh, wait.

Almost as if comparing progress in math to progress in the physical world is remarkably stupid.


So you're saying that being able to induce a spark, and detecting that from a few feet away, is totally the same thing as a WiFi router.

Got it.
 
2013-06-14 04:19:31 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: I love how sending out a feeble radio signal is bad, but a string of nuclear explosions pointing straight back at Earth with expanding clouds of radioactive elements lingering for decades is the better idea. Space Nutters can't even be bothered to think their fantasies through. Since they'll never happen, it's not a loss I guess.


Like I said, it's not a good idea, but it's definitely something we could have done 50 years ago. So like, aliens could have one. And get here really quick. And like... kill us all. Remember, that's sort of what the thread is about?
 
2013-06-14 04:30:57 PM  

dittybopper: So you're saying that being able to induce a spark, and detecting that from a few feet away, is totally the same thing as a WiFi router.


What I'm saying is taking that progress and thinking it means that every other aspect of engineering and technology and physics therefores scales by exactly the same factor is ... simple-minded.

My computer has a thousand times more memory than computers had 20 years ago, therefore rocket engines also have a thousand times more thrust. Therefore, better computers = colonizing space.

Get it now? You space whackjobs, always, without fail, every. single. time. use that same fallacy to prop up your delusional world view.
 
2013-06-14 11:24:14 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: dittybopper: So you're saying that being able to induce a spark, and detecting that from a few feet away, is totally the same thing as a WiFi router.

What I'm saying is taking that progress and thinking it means that every other aspect of engineering and technology and physics therefores scales by exactly the same factor is ... simple-minded.

My computer has a thousand times more memory than computers had 20 years ago, therefore rocket engines also have a thousand times more thrust. Therefore, better computers = colonizing space.

Get it now? You space whackjobs, always, without fail, every. single. time. use that same fallacy to prop up your delusional world view.


You space whackjobs?

I'm talking about communications, and how basic research into something like SETI can lead to advances in signal processing, improved sensitivity of receivers, etc.  even if we never ever hear a single alien signal.
 
2013-06-15 01:15:51 AM  
At a glance I saw four words in the headline:
Scientists
Build
Continuous
Bacon

Imagine my disappoontm
 
2013-06-15 01:17:02 AM  
At a glance I saw four words in the headline:
Scientists
Build
Continuous
Bacon

Imagine my disappointment on the re-read.
 
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