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(The Daily Beast)   And the winner in the console wars is.... well, it wasn't even close. It's Sony   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 22
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2013-06-13 12:50:02 PM
3 votes:

exick: There are a few things that Microsoft could easily correct that would actually make this a contest, but they're too stubborn and ignorant to do them apparently.


See: Windows 8 Metro interface.
2013-06-13 10:22:25 PM
2 votes:

LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.

That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.


Complete and utter garbage. Developers get their cut at the initial sale, just like every other entity. Why on earth do they deserve two slices of the pie when no other type of product works that way? If you sell your home, do the initial builders and architects stick their hands in for their cut? Your car? Dvds? Books? Clothes? Furniture? No.

Seriously, why are developers so entitled?
2013-06-13 03:42:06 PM
2 votes:
Let's not suck Sony's dick too fast.  Yeah, they actually gave something consumers wanted and not just offer something they wanted to offer because they can, like Microsoft did.

But Sony has lots of bodies in that closet if you want to take a look.  They are still an evil corporation that did pretty much the right thing this time.

/However hurray to Sony for offering  just a gaming console without too many concessions to screw the consumer.
2013-06-13 02:04:18 PM
2 votes:

kronicfeld: I know that eventually they retooled the PS3 so that it could play a bunch of old PSX and PS2 games, but that was a few versions (and years) later.


They actually did the opposite. When the PS3 was first released, it was able to play PSX and PS2 games out of the box. Originally it had hardware inside it that allowed it to play PS2 games. New models were introduced that took that hardware out and emulated the PS2 via software. Then the "slim" model was released and the ability to play PS2 games was completely removed. All models of the PS3 can still play PSX games. The only way to play PS2 games on the current models of PS3 is by purchase and download through the PSN Store of whichever games have been made available.
2013-06-13 12:27:46 PM
2 votes:
i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.
2013-06-14 10:45:47 AM
1 votes:
Hebalo: I've said it before, but:

1) Farkers are not exactly the "average user". The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?), couldn't care less about whether they have to be connected to the net (I'd wager the VAST majority of current gaming systems are connected 24/7).

The "average user" trades games and gives them as gifts all the time. A high-quality game that's been vetted is an excellent spontaneous gift. As the wife said earlier today, trading and giving games is a kind of social currency in schools and the workplace, creating a bridge of commonality between people who may not have much in common otherwise.

2) The price difference won't matter.

If you have anyone else in your life, I bet you can find a dozen better ways to spend $100 considering that, with the vast majority of games being non-exclusive, there is little difference between the systems. Hell, that's a week's groceries or a month of cable and internet for a lot of families.

3) People keep (wrongly) making the assumption that they are comparing two gaming systems. PS4 is a gaming system. XBONE is an entertainment center, for people who don't want to put together a media PC.

What exactly does the XB1 offer that a PS4/360 combo does not in terms of entertainment options? Will Hulu and Netflix not work unless you have a XB1? Will I not be able to play movies and tv shows from my computer? Is the XB1 the only one that can function as a DVR?

Remember, most people care about their desires being satisfied, not what's under the hood.
2013-06-14 03:27:32 AM
1 votes:
So many farkers are apparently vulnerable to pandering and emotional appeals.

+1 to those of you who are waiting for actual, concrete information.
2013-06-13 10:28:02 PM
1 votes:

SleepingEye: Someothermonkey: The price won't matter for the average consumer? Seriously?

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.

You know why the used-game bin has a million copies of <insert Sports game> <Insert year, possibly abbreviated with a K>?

Someone bought that for $60-80 and threw it away the year after because they bought the <insert year, possibly abbreviated with a K+1> version the year after.  How many of these people have all 8383 COD games now?  All 3984 Halo series?

If the consumer wants it badly enough, they make the money for it.


What you're saying doesn't even make any sense.

Yeah, people buy games and trade them in. Why? Because they get money back, which they can spend however. Meaning, money matters to them.

But in anycase, we're not talking about games here, we're talking about the consoles themselves. And when one costs $100 more, offers less power, comes with more restrictions and DRM, all while destroying the basic concept of ownership, the console that doesn't do any of that is likely to be more appealing.

Especially when retailers start pushing the PS4 over the Xbone because they'll make more money that way. Seems like the geniuses at Microsoft were too stupid to learn the lessons of the PSPgo.
2013-06-13 10:11:16 PM
1 votes:
I logged more hours on my 3DO than I ever did with my 360.  True story, bro.
2013-06-13 07:30:23 PM
1 votes:
Making sure I have this right, from the MS side, about Sony's past...

Sony will inevitably make a mistake, somehow.  We don't know what it is.  We don't know who it will effect.  We don't know anything about this mistake.  But be assured, Sony will screw up.  They have shown an ability to learn and adapt from those mistakes, but huge mistakes are intolerable, especially the future ones we know nothing about.  I am assuming that we are working on the premise that Microsoft has never made a significant mistake... ever... ever ever... right?

Knowing this means that we should completely overlook the fact that MS is repeatedly getting spanked over a veritable cornucopia of foolish mistakes, built into the product.  OH, and while virtually identitcal in performance, still behind the PS4 in more than one aspect of architecture.

Recap: Both sides are bad (I think?), so buy Microsoft.

THANKS!  Got it.
2013-06-13 06:23:47 PM
1 votes:
What really gets under my skin are the comments that begin with "Microsoft better have some really awesome games..."

I want to know how X number of "awesome" games will make any amount of shiat acceptable. Shouldn't there be a line you draw? I mean, the XBone has pretty much hit upon all the worst transgressions we could imagine in gaming, which I won't bother to repeat. When do we say, "Keep your games, I don't care how good they are, I'm not going to support your shiatty practices"? How does Microsoft still have a built-in fanbase after what they've pulled? Not to get political, but I keep hearing about the rise of the Libertarian and the wonders of the free market, but it seems like I'm the only person I know trying to make this free market work by not buying things on principle.

I was so looking forward to SimCity. Guess what? I haven't played it. I didn't buy it, I didn't pirate it, I didn't crack it. EA didn't get my money, nor can they blame me for a lost sale. I can only wonder what amazing things could have happened if more people did what I do all the time. I guess we'll never know, because anyone would willingly be farked in every available hole by AIDS-infested gorillas if the pot is sweet enough.
2013-06-13 05:51:43 PM
1 votes:

Virtual Pariah: Jack Tretton disagrees with you.

Asked further if PlayStation 4 would allow for types of DRM for third-party games, Tretton answered, "The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of third-parties. That's not something we're going to dictate, control, mandate or implement."

That's not FUD, That's from Sony.


Nope, still FUD.  Sony clarified he was only talking about the ability to restrict online play with passes.  Sony will not allow any scheme that would block used games or resales.  they also confirmed their dropping of first party online passes for the ps4.  the ps4 works the same as the ps3.

Seriously, 30 seconds on google would have told you all this.
2013-06-13 04:43:52 PM
1 votes:
When the PS3 came out you could install Linux on it. Now? Nope! I don't trust Sony to keep their promises. They're enjoying a moment in the sun thanks to Microsoft's missteps but Sony is still Sony. Google 'Boycott Sony' if you've forgotten their past sins. The talk for the PS4 is just like when the PS3 came out. It would be open and free. Microsoft was the evil guys, we're the good guys. Then the market settled down and Sony felt safe to break their promises. What is anyone going to do if they break their promises on the PS4? Switch to XB1?

Microsoft's connection requirement is standard Silicon Valley arrogance, which is even worse when you consider they're not in Silicon Valley. Internet access for much of the country sucks. There's a built in assumption in all the cloud computing services that everyone has internet service similar to what they have in the Bay area (and Redmond). They laugh that only hick towns in flyover country have poor connectivity. The reality is far from that. Microsoft is going to end up backing off the call home beacon when they're swamped with calls and returns from people in large cities that they're assuming have excellent net connectivity. I live one block from one of the fattest internet pipes in the country. I can look out my window and see the manhole covers with Level3 stamped on them. Doesn't matter... I'm stuck with terrible service from Comcast that goes down for random unknown reasons and never delivers on the speed advertised. For all too many, terrible net connectivity is reality and no amount of advertising by Microsoft or Comcast will magically make that change. A year after the release of both consoles the landscape will likely look much different than today. Both companies will adjust. And both companies will sell tens of consoles regardless of what people on internet message boards say.
2013-06-13 04:29:50 PM
1 votes:

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesn't change the fact that I will get the new XBOX. I am an upper middle class individual, with constant internet. It doesn't bother me. Plus, Microsoft's all-in-one connectivity with tv, and media is completely unparalleled. The masses that enjoy their consoles more than just gaming will favor the XBOX. PS4 may be the "better" game system (quotes used because they both pretty much will have the exact same output level in terms of power and graphics), but if you want versatility, the XBOX One is the way to go. E3 was only an echo chamber for Sony fans to keep telling themselves how great they think they are. And the media always loves a good controversy to pick up, in a bout a year, nothing drastic will happen on the console front and this whole outrage will be a thing of the past.


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2013-06-13 04:26:59 PM
1 votes:
Doesn't change the fact that I will get the new XBOX. I am an upper middle class individual, with constant internet. It doesn't bother me. Plus, Microsoft's all-in-one connectivity with tv, and media is completely unparalleled. The masses that enjoy their consoles more than just gaming will favor the XBOX. PS4 may be the "better" game system (quotes used because they both pretty much will have the exact same output level in terms of power and graphics), but if you want versatility, the XBOX One is the way to go. E3 was only an echo chamber for Sony fans to keep telling themselves how great they think they are. And the media always loves a good controversy to pick up, in a bout a year, nothing drastic will happen on the console front and this whole outrage will be a thing of the past.
2013-06-13 03:58:11 PM
1 votes:
I was getting kind of tired of PC gaming and was preparing to finally hop on the console bandwagon with this new generation. But with everything I'm hearing lately I think I'll save my money and just buy another video card...
2013-06-13 03:39:20 PM
1 votes:

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


This is what happens when you let the people in charge of follow on sales dictate design and function.  I bet the only reason they don't deactivate the console if a new game isn't purchased every ten days is that legal is still looking into it.
2013-06-13 03:32:40 PM
1 votes:
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2013-06-13 02:17:02 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.


I've had Nintendo consoles, a PS1 and a PS2, but I went with the Xbox 360, mainly because Mass Effect was (at the time) exclusive to the 360.  I'm leaning towards a PS4, but only if they fix PS3 backwards compatibility, because there's a few PS3 exclusives I'd like to check out sometime.
2013-06-13 12:45:52 PM
1 votes:
There are a few things that Microsoft could easily correct that would actually make this a contest, but they're too stubborn and ignorant to do them apparently.
2013-06-13 12:45:42 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.


I haven't talked to anyone planning on buying an XBox.  Most gamers I know are skipping consoles altogether. My daughter just spend about $500 on a pair of kick ass video cards, and the result is astonishing.
2013-06-13 12:34:03 PM
1 votes:
It's kinda sad when the easiest way to win the console war is to say you aren't changing anything. Microsoft screwed it all up, and it's entirely their fault. All Sony did was capitalize on it.

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