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2013-06-13 07:22:24 PM

Mock26: Sony has released a video explaining in great detail how to share your PlayStation games with your friends. It is worth watching.


The view number on that video alone should be enough to dissuade publishers from going the DRM route.  !0 million views in three days for a 22 second clip = a lot of console users don't want restrictions on game trading.
 
2013-06-13 07:22:46 PM

SleepingEye: Someothermonkey: The price won't matter for the average consumer? Seriously?

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.

You know why the used-game bin has a million copies of <insert Sports game> <Insert year, possibly abbreviated with a K>?

Someone bought that for $60-80 and threw it away the year after because they bought the <insert year, possibly abbreviated with a K+1> version the year after.  How many of these people have all 8383 COD games now?  All 3984 Halo series?

If the consumer wants it badly enough, they make the money for it.


Heh.  I just did this yesterday, so I am getting a kick...

Traded in 5 games for $100 credit at EB

The games?

COD: Black Ops II (owned all the COD games one time or another)
NHL 13  (owned every NHL ever)
MADDEN 13 (likewise)
BORDERLANDS 2 (owned the first one, and eventually the 3rd one whenever that get's released)
SKYRIM (goes without saying)

/I am the average consumer
//and loving it
 
2013-06-13 07:27:37 PM

Bubblegum Tate: kronicfeld: DanZero: img.photobucket.com

The Netflix thing is way too trivial to include there. Who doesn't already have ten devices to watch Netflix? Between TV apps, Blu-Ray players, Roku and the like, there are a ton of ways to get that on your TV without using your video game system.

my ps3 just bricked 2 weeks ago and I just ordered a roku box.  $150 for Sony to fix the ps3 btw.  I was really hoping for a price drop announcement at E3.  Or backwards compatibility.  Remember when consoles didn't break?


Optical media ruined pretty much all modern technology that relies on it. We'd all be better off going back to cartridges, now that we have pretty huge memory sizes available in small packages.
 
2013-06-13 07:28:34 PM

Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???


Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!
 
2013-06-13 07:30:23 PM
Making sure I have this right, from the MS side, about Sony's past...

Sony will inevitably make a mistake, somehow.  We don't know what it is.  We don't know who it will effect.  We don't know anything about this mistake.  But be assured, Sony will screw up.  They have shown an ability to learn and adapt from those mistakes, but huge mistakes are intolerable, especially the future ones we know nothing about.  I am assuming that we are working on the premise that Microsoft has never made a significant mistake... ever... ever ever... right?

Knowing this means that we should completely overlook the fact that MS is repeatedly getting spanked over a veritable cornucopia of foolish mistakes, built into the product.  OH, and while virtually identitcal in performance, still behind the PS4 in more than one aspect of architecture.

Recap: Both sides are bad (I think?), so buy Microsoft.

THANKS!  Got it.
 
2013-06-13 07:31:13 PM

LoR75: Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???

Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!


David cage is a graphics whore and should feel shame!
 
2013-06-13 07:31:50 PM

EngineerAU: Right now XB1 is the top selling item in the video game section of Amazon. PS4 is the second. It'll probably flip flop between the two for the next month and then again when the release date nears. People are going to buy the new consoles whether Farkers approve or not.


Word. Nothing cracks me up like a principled gamer making a stand.
 
2013-06-13 07:33:30 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.


Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?
 
2013-06-13 07:36:47 PM

Kinek: LoR75: Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???

Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!

David cage is a graphics whore and should feel shame!


LOL.  Ok, I'll give you that, but he writes a good game as well.

Why should he feel shame for pushing a playstation as far as it can go?  Heavy Rain was beautiful and brilliant, I expect nothing less of Beyond: Two Junos, and I am sure "The Sorceror" will also be fantastic.
 
2013-06-13 07:38:00 PM

LoR75: Kinek: LoR75: Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???

Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!

David cage is a graphics whore and should feel shame!

LOL.  Ok, I'll give you that, but he writes a good game as well.

Why should he feel shame for pushing a playstation as far as it can go?  Heavy Rain was beautiful and brilliant, I expect nothing less of Beyond: Two Junos, and I am sure "The Sorceror" will also be fantastic.


No love for indigo prophecy?
 
2013-06-13 07:46:21 PM

LoR75: Kinek: LoR75: Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???

Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!

David cage is a graphics whore and should feel shame!

LOL.  Ok, I'll give you that, but he writes a good game as well.

Why should he feel shame for pushing a playstation as far as it can go?  Heavy Rain was beautiful and brilliant, I expect nothing less of Beyond: Two Junos, and I am sure "The Sorceror" will also be fantastic.


I still can't get past the twist in Heavy rain. WHY would the Killer go to all that trouble to test what's his face, and then SHOOT HIM WHEN HE PASSES? WHY!
 
2013-06-13 07:51:14 PM
techreport.com
(Steam in Big Picture mode)

+

img.diytrade.com
(with an Xbox 360 controller)

+

www.zdnet.com
($600 gaming PC)

+

img.engadget.com
your HDTV (Asian woman optional)

+

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
your couch

=

ak0.picdn.net
Gaming in your living room (girlfriend/boyfriend optional)

minus

www.wired.com
 
2013-06-13 07:52:58 PM
Enemabag Jones:
/For the love of god, why wasn't there a star wars light saber game based on that wii sports sword game.  It shouted out too be made.

There was.  I have it. It kind of sucks.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-13 08:01:01 PM
I heard that 1.4 million Xbox One preorders were made in the first 24 hours... to put that in perspective, at $499 per system, that is $698,600,000 worth... Seems pretty huge to me.

I think both Sony and Microsoft has done phenomenally well with their launches despite the freakouts by some people about some of the Xbox One setup.

Personally I think Microsoft did better overall because they had a MUCH better game lineup than Sony did.
 
2013-06-13 08:04:52 PM

Virtual Pariah: FuryOfFirestorm:

Basically, Microsoft is giving publishers the tools to restrict games in those ways, while Sony is stepping way the f%$# back so any publishers who want to go that route are free to suffer the backlash alone.

No,
Both have the tools available, but only 1 may have announced it.
MS takes the PR hit and Sony walks away smelling good.

Console resources are too scarce to have anything unnecessary coded in that are not part of the dev tools.

The paranoid part of me wonders how much collusion goes on between the companies.


Fact: Sony has announced DRM will be the same for the PS4 as it has always been for every PlayStation prior; disc based.

Let us know if you need any help comprehending anything else.
 
2013-06-13 08:12:20 PM
Super Smash Bros. and Mega Man.  Need I say more?
 
2013-06-13 08:12:51 PM

JohnnyC: I heard that 1.4 million Xbox One preorders were made in the first 24 hours... to put that in perspective, at $499 per system, that is $698,600,000 worth... Seems pretty huge to me.

I think both Sony and Microsoft has done phenomenally well with their launches despite the freakouts by some people about some of the Xbox One setup.

Personally I think Microsoft did better overall because they had a MUCH better game lineup than Sony did.


Seriously, there are going to be many more people disappointed in the sales numbers on Fark and Reddit than in Redmond. What remains to be seen is how well the new consoles will work in the wild. Microsoft is making some big assumptions about internet quality in the US.
 
2013-06-13 08:15:23 PM

Virtual Pariah: Antimatter: Virtual Pariah: FuryOfFirestorm:

Basically, Microsoft is giving publishers the tools to restrict games in those ways, while Sony is stepping way the f%$# back so any publishers who want to go that route are free to suffer the backlash alone.

No,
Both have the tools available, but only 1 may have announced it.
MS takes the PR hit and Sony walks away smelling good.

Console resources are too scarce to have anything unnecessary coded in that are not part of the dev tools.

The paranoid part of me wonders how much collusion goes on between the companies.

The ps4's DRM is the exact same as the ps3's, this has been confirmed by sony.  Several times.  There is a lot of fud from the MS camp to try to make it sound like both sides are doing the same thing, but so far, that's just not true.  Sony has no plans to create the massive DRM structure MS is doing for the Xbone.

Both Sony and EA have scrapped online passes for the ps4, and hell, EA scrapped all of them retroactively as well.  Turns out, the cost of running such a setup outweighs the profits from it, and the hit to the publishers reputation.  I can't imagine how many millions it's going to cost MS to keep and maintain their proposed DRM structure.

MS went with the DRM system because they wanted it, due to the desire to have 100% control over all things xbox, and your living room.  Nintendo and Sony are more then happy to stick to the profitable status quo.

Jack Tretton disagrees with you.

Asked further if PlayStation 4 would allow for types of DRM for third-party games, Tretton answered, "The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of third-parties. That's not something we're going to dictate, control, mandate or implement."

That's not FUD, That's from Sony.


You can troll better than that.
 
2013-06-13 08:19:21 PM

Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???


If I were you I'd buy an XBone.
 
2013-06-13 08:33:17 PM

JohnnyC: I heard that 1.4 million Xbox One preorders were made in the first 24 hours... to put that in perspective, at $499 per system, that is $698,600,000 worth... Seems pretty huge to me.

I think both Sony and Microsoft has done phenomenally well with their launches despite the freakouts by some people about some of the Xbox One setup.

Personally I think Microsoft did better overall because they had a MUCH better game lineup than Sony did.


Which raises the question -- and sorry if this has already been brought up -- what percentage of the potential user base even knows about the issues being discussed here, much less cares about it. I know it's a big deal here and in other gaming forums, but how many people actually read any of that. I've been in my share of Walmarts and Targets and Best Buys and Gamestops (there are 5 of them within 2 miles of my house for some reason; 2 a block apart from each other on the same street) and my experience suggests that the typical consumer there isn't saying "My, these DRM and connectivity issue are troubling." They're saying "fark, yeah! A new Xbox. I bet Madden'll be kick-ass on that!".
If this is indeed the case, then MS probably doesn't give a shiat what anyone's saying about them, just as long as they're talking about them and keeping the XBox One name out there.

/Still think Xbox One is an even worse name than Wii U
 
2013-06-13 08:45:16 PM

Hebalo: 1) Farkers are not exactly the "average user". The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?), couldn't care less about whether they have to be connected to the net (I'd wager the VAST majority of current gaming systems are connected 24/7).


If you've ever worked in a game store and seen the types of people that come in, you'd know that you're wrong.

Also, 24/7 is 24/7 until it's not. Moved to a new house and disconnected for a few days? Eat shiat. Storm knocked out service for a few days? Sucks to be you.

2) The price difference won't matter.

Saying it doesn't make it true

3) People keep (wrongly) making the assumption that they are comparing two gaming systems. PS4 is a gaming system. XBONE is an entertainment center, for people who don't want to put together a media PC.

When I started typing I thought you were serious. Are you a paid shill? Every video game system since the Nintendo Entertainment System has billed itself as an Entertainment System. If people want a media set-top box, they'll get a Roku, a Boxee, a "smart" Blu-ray player, or a smart tv. Besides that, there's not much media functionality XBox has that PS4 doesn't.
 
2013-06-13 08:53:13 PM

LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?


Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.
 
2013-06-13 09:26:13 PM
Couldn't get through any of the bandwagon derp. The next gen Xbox is a well-planned, forward-thinking console. A year from now when Sony has assfarked their fan base yet again, we can revisit this discussion. Morans.
 
2013-06-13 09:29:55 PM
Final Score:

Playstation 4

Xbox 1
 
2013-06-13 09:30:04 PM

ZeroCorpse: [techreport.com image 620x349]
(Steam in Big Picture mode)

+

[img.diytrade.com image 850x637]
(with an Xbox 360 controller)

+

[www.zdnet.com image 460x655]
($600 gaming PC)

+

[img.engadget.com image 425x304]
your HDTV (Asian woman optional)

+

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 294x171]
your couch

=

[ak0.picdn.net image 400x224]
Gaming in your living room (girlfriend/boyfriend optional)

minus

[www.wired.com image 471x257]


There's a thread just for you guys right above.
 
2013-06-13 09:30:37 PM

Kinek: LoR75: Kinek: LoR75: Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???

Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!

David cage is a graphics whore and should feel shame!

LOL.  Ok, I'll give you that, but he writes a good game as well.

Why should he feel shame for pushing a playstation as far as it can go?  Heavy Rain was beautiful and brilliant, I expect nothing less of Beyond: Two Junos, and I am sure "The Sorceror" will also be fantastic.

I still can't get past the twist in Heavy rain. WHY would the Killer go to all that trouble to test what's his face, and then SHOOT HIM WHEN HE PASSES? WHY!




I think because he realized that this father was different, especially from his own father, who he blamed for never caring. I don't know, that's what I took of it. Sort of that Shaun doesn't deserve a good father like Ethan, because his own father was a drunk.
 
2013-06-13 09:34:27 PM

deeyablo: LoR75: Kinek: LoR75: Doogles4221: Gunther: Doogles4221: Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game

So you're defining both "new" and "exclusive" absurdly narrowly so as few games count as possible (you're ignoring indie games (I mentioned them. Sony did not say if they which are exclusive, but at least one of them are on steam right now), games announced before E3    (are not "new" by definition), untitled games like QD's new IP    (are not games at this point, just tech demos/ideas that may never be released), games that are also coming out for the PS3.(not PS4 exclusive)

Doogles4221: Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen

How do you expect us to take you seriously when you say shiat like that?

IMO, Sony had one job, show me games that I want to play on the PS4, and they failed. The press confrence was showing third-party games I can play on another system.
Infamous looked like it has promise, but showed little new, just bigger and prettier. Beyond: was first shown as a drama game, and the new footage looked like part of it is just another generic third person shooter.

What PS4 game did Sony show that I cannot get elsewhere???

Heretic!  You take that back, you take that back right now.

BTW, Beyond: Two Junos is a PS3 game, and it's going to be glorious.

/David Cage can do no wrong
//Quantic Dream can do no wrong
///fanboy for life!

David cage is a graphics whore and should feel shame!

LOL.  Ok, I'll give you that, but he writes a good game as well.

Why should he feel shame for pushing a playstation as far as it can go?  Heavy Rain was beautiful and brilliant, I expect nothing less of Beyond: Two Junos, and I am sure "The Sorceror" will also be fantastic.

No love for indigo prophecy?




It's what started my love affair with them, although I didn't quite like the twist in that with the clan. It is still a fantastic game, and they really ironed out some of my issues with it in Heavy Rain.
 
2013-06-13 09:42:30 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.




That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.
 
2013-06-13 09:49:27 PM

Riotboy: Final Score:

Playstation 4

Xbox 1


That's original. Ever had a unique thought?
 
2013-06-13 09:50:23 PM

JohnnyC: I heard that 1.4 million Xbox One preorders were made in the first 24 hours... to put that in perspective, at $499 per system, that is $698,600,000 worth... Seems pretty huge to me.

I think both Sony and Microsoft has done phenomenally well with their launches despite the freakouts by some people about some of the Xbox One setup.

Personally I think Microsoft did better overall because they had a MUCH better game lineup than Sony did.


You gotta know that a LARGE number of those preorders were from eBay flippers/profiteers who hope to double their money around the holidays.

And I think they're going to be pretty unhappy. Nobody's going to pay $1000 for an Xbox One. Nobody will even pay $700 for one. Personally, I wouldn't even pay $300 for one.

If it were $100 I'd consider it, as long as I could point the Kinect sensor at a manikin in a closet while I play games and watch movies.
 
2013-06-13 10:10:23 PM

LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.

That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.


See, I don't understand this argument.

When you buy a car from a dealer and then decide to trade it in years later, the manufacturer (developer) doesn't get a cut and there's no outrage over that. This is the same as say, used clothing, used appliances etc. What makes the fact that it's code so damn special?

The developers get their cut back on the initial purchase just like everyone else.
 
2013-06-13 10:11:16 PM
I logged more hours on my 3DO than I ever did with my 360.  True story, bro.
 
2013-06-13 10:14:43 PM

Doogles4221: PS4-eye not being packed in; expect NO games that take use it in a cool way.


Motion controls, no matter how they're done, are gimmicky, and therefore a kiddie / niche / indy market.

There's only so much that can be done.  I'd rather have the controller that's adapted to gamers/games over the generations than a new unwieldy control scheme that has to have game's written around it.

I will always be able to do more complicated tasks with my hands(with precision) than trying to imitate some arcane pose with my body..and having the software kind of vaguely get an idea of what I'm doing.

That's part of what made us better than any other species on the planet, manual dexterity and opposable digits.
 
2013-06-13 10:22:25 PM

LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.

That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.


Complete and utter garbage. Developers get their cut at the initial sale, just like every other entity. Why on earth do they deserve two slices of the pie when no other type of product works that way? If you sell your home, do the initial builders and architects stick their hands in for their cut? Your car? Dvds? Books? Clothes? Furniture? No.

Seriously, why are developers so entitled?
 
2013-06-13 10:28:02 PM

SleepingEye: Someothermonkey: The price won't matter for the average consumer? Seriously?

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.

You know why the used-game bin has a million copies of <insert Sports game> <Insert year, possibly abbreviated with a K>?

Someone bought that for $60-80 and threw it away the year after because they bought the <insert year, possibly abbreviated with a K+1> version the year after.  How many of these people have all 8383 COD games now?  All 3984 Halo series?

If the consumer wants it badly enough, they make the money for it.


What you're saying doesn't even make any sense.

Yeah, people buy games and trade them in. Why? Because they get money back, which they can spend however. Meaning, money matters to them.

But in anycase, we're not talking about games here, we're talking about the consoles themselves. And when one costs $100 more, offers less power, comes with more restrictions and DRM, all while destroying the basic concept of ownership, the console that doesn't do any of that is likely to be more appealing.

Especially when retailers start pushing the PS4 over the Xbone because they'll make more money that way. Seems like the geniuses at Microsoft were too stupid to learn the lessons of the PSPgo.
 
2013-06-13 10:41:10 PM

Someothermonkey: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.

That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.

Complete and utter garbage. Developers get their cut at the initial sale, just like every other entity. Why on earth do they deserve two s ...




Because it can further fund future developments, keeping those middle devs in business and creating new, and interesting IPs instead of either being shuttered or taking the desperate money and being folded into Activision or EA

Used games are the reason games are mostly $60.

Move it fully to digital distribution, cutout all that bullshiat that retail does, and enjoy those steam like sales, because guess what, those devs are going to make more money that way, which will keep them in business, than battling for shelf space at your local POS EB while their game gets sold over and over again all while not seeing a dime of it.

You are much more likely to take a chance on a steam title that's been discounted by 50% than walking into your EB and buying a used copy of a game that's discounted 10%. Plus you are doing a service to that developer. They get a cut of that sale, regardless of discount. They get jack shiat on that used game.
 
2013-06-13 10:55:30 PM

LoR75: Someothermonkey: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.

That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.

Complete and utter garbage. Developers get their cut at the initial sale, just like every other entity. Why on earth do t ...


You argument is still crap.

That could be said for car manufacturers, book publishers, clothing manufacturers, appliance manufacturers etc. Guess what, none of them are losing money on second hand sales because they realize that once they sell it to a customer, its now that customers property.

As much as the developers like to think they're selling a license to play their game, they're not.

If they want it to be licensed then they should make it tied to a specific device that they produce and sell. The supreme court has routinely upheld the right to resell your property and do with your property anything that you wan so long as it doesn't break any laws.

The fact that they are 1's and 0's on a disc doesn't change the fact that it's my property. I paid for it. If I want to load it into a skeet shooter and shatter it into a million pieces, I can. If I want to play it until I finish it and then give it to my friend, I can. It's mine.
 
2013-06-13 10:58:57 PM

LoR75: Someothermonkey: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: LoR75: Ego edo infantia cattus: I run a huge used video games store. (Mom and pop not corporate) and I love telling people about the xbone. Obviously, as a retailer in the used game market, I don't like the direction MS is trying to take things, and I was a bit worried before Sony put their cards on the table. Now I'm just elated. All I have to do is tell the truth, and the customer immediately realizes that one of the two companies is trying to screw everyone over. This kind of totalitarian money grubbing bullshiat isn't going to happen for at least another three console generations now that MS is drowning in their own greed. Fan-farking-tastic.

Customer: Hey, are you going to be getting any xbox ones in? Can I pre-order one?

Me: BU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! ...NO.
       ...and here's why you don't want one...

/MS can go eat a bag of dicks.

Out of curiosity, what's your trade in value vs. resell cost?

Depends entirely on the condition of the game. We do up to %80 of current value for a trade in. The mark up is an industry secret, but it's not much. Our customers tell us we give an amazing deal compared to game$top, and our prices make both them and k-fart look like a ripoff. We also trade everything in video game history. We aren't getting rich, but we keep the lights on and the customers happy.

That's fair to your customers, but you are still taking money out of the pocket of those developers. Plus you are doing a disservice to your customers by steering them away from a console because it may hurt your own pocketbook. That's shady, at best.

I do business (when I can) with an independently owned game store (while there is an EB literally two doors away), however if they ever told me what I should and should not buy based on fear mongering, I would never do business with them again.

Complete and utter garbage. Developers get their cut at the initial sale, just like every other entity. Why on earth do t ...


If developers don't like the idea of used games, then they should create a model that discourages them, not a model the eliminates consumers right to choose to resell a game if they want to or not. They can start by creating games that gamers want to keep and hold on to instead of released shovelware quality titles that cost a $100M to make and then crying when they they don't sell like CoD.

And new games costing $60 because of used games is nonsense. If all new titles released at $30, there would be no used games market. It'd be cheap enough at the onset so people wouldn't need to even think about buying used.

And again, moving to an all digital era is still way too premature. Out of the 77M 360's shipped, they're only 25M gold accounts. Not everyone has the capacity to or the ability to download 30 to 50GB games quickly or easily enough to make a digital only system viable.

And obviously developers don't make money on used game sales. That's how the First Sale Doctrine works. Car manufactures don't get a cut of the used car market, but you don't hear them whining and trying destroy fundamental consumer rights. Developers don't deserve seconds cuts of the pie. And frankly it's naive to think the developers would be the one actually getting that money in the first place; It'd go to the publishers like Microsoft or EA.
 
2013-06-13 11:09:13 PM

JohnnyC: I heard that 1.4 million Xbox One preorders were made in the first 24 hours... to put that in perspective, at $499 per system, that is $698,600,000 worth... Seems pretty huge to me.

I think both Sony and Microsoft has done phenomenally well with their launches despite the freakouts by some people about some of the Xbox One setup.

Personally I think Microsoft did better overall because they had a MUCH better game lineup than Sony did.


Both had the problem of so many of their games shown were not exclusive.  That's going to muddle the water quite a bit.

On the pre-order side, note how amazon sold enough ps4's to have to create a second sku after a complete sellout of their estimated launch units.

Granted, pre order numbers are bad as a judgement anyways.  I've got friends with 2-3 consoles preordered at different places, both to make sure they get one, as well as maybe to buy another for resale.

Still, I fully expect both to sell out at launch.  The diehard alone will ensure a ton of sales for each.  The question will be which has bette legs in terms of sales after that.  Wii U moved three million before its sales fell off a cliff.
 
2013-06-13 11:31:41 PM

A Shambling Mound: Meanwhile the smart people will wait a year or so to see which console changes the most after release.

MS has a pretty decent history of adding features and functionality (or at least, not breaking anything) while Sony has a solid track record of "F*ck you" so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

Everyone jumping around and screaming right now about which one is better before anyone even owns one is hugely amusing, though. I'll give you that.


---

Correct answer.

/XBO definitely has an uphill battle, though.
 
2013-06-13 11:56:47 PM

Hebalo: I've said it before, but:

1) Farkers are not exactly the "average user". The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?), couldn't care less about whether they have to be connected to the net (I'd wager the VAST majority of current gaming systems are connected 24/7).

2) The price difference won't matter.

3) People keep (wrongly) making the assumption that they are comparing two gaming systems. PS4 is a gaming system. XBONE is an entertainment center, for people who don't want to put together a media PC.


1) I don't know about you, but me and all my friends swap games all the time. The majority of gamers I talk to online swap games with their friends. It's a good way to play new games without having to shell out $60 every time.

2) $100 doesn't matter? Is that you, Mitt Romney?

3) If you want an entertainment center, there are options that cost a lot less and with less restrictions. Both the PS3 and 360 are good media centers that don't cost an arm and a leg and make you Steve Ballmer's b*tch. If you're paying $500 just for "SPORTS! TV!", then you're a sucker.
 
2013-06-14 12:04:16 AM

kiwimoogle84: Pretty much this. I was drooling over the ps4 game demos.


The gameplay trailer for inFamous: Second Son was so good, I immediately went to Amazon and pre-ordered it. Check it out
 
2013-06-14 01:06:20 AM

Ambivalence: Now the question will be, how does MS respond? Most of the gripes people have about the XB1 can be reversed through software changes. The question becomes, will they make those changes or stick to their guns?


The only other way they could pull out a win would be if those "can't trade" games go on release day at 20-30 bucks cheaper than the PS4s. Didn't happen with launch titles, can't see it happening in the future, but if they did, maybe their argument would be more compelling, COD on launch at 29.99 or 34.99 instead of 49.99-59.99 would raise eyebrows and maybe validate their DRM logic.
 
2013-06-14 03:27:32 AM
So many farkers are apparently vulnerable to pandering and emotional appeals.

+1 to those of you who are waiting for actual, concrete information.
 
2013-06-14 07:26:54 AM

tacchimonster: A Shambling Mound: Meanwhile the smart people will wait a year or so to see which console changes the most after release.

MS has a pretty decent history of adding features and functionality (or at least, not breaking anything) while Sony has a solid track record of "F*ck you" so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

Everyone jumping around and screaming right now about which one is better before anyone even owns one is hugely amusing, though. I'll give you that.

---

Correct answer.

/XBO definitely has an uphill battle, though.


Not really. I don't think the extent of the difference will become apparent until next year, when both systems have had time to mature.
E3 will be forgotten by launch time and most buyers didn't see the presentation. Many who did were too entrenched to notice the differences.
X1 has a slight advantage because its verging closer to multi functional computers and media centers, where P4 aims to "just do games".

/The winner, I suspect, will be the PC.
/Prices have come down, features have gone up, DRM is now in place and many of the more complicated setup issues have been streamlined.
/For what a console will cost you, a consumer can reach a bit higher and get much more out of a PC.
 
2013-06-14 08:04:20 AM

way south: tacchimonster: A Shambling Mound: Meanwhile the smart people will wait a year or so to see which console changes the most after release.

MS has a pretty decent history of adding features and functionality (or at least, not breaking anything) while Sony has a solid track record of "F*ck you" so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

Everyone jumping around and screaming right now about which one is better before anyone even owns one is hugely amusing, though. I'll give you that.

---

Correct answer.

/XBO definitely has an uphill battle, though.

Not really. I don't think the extent of the difference will become apparent until next year, when both systems have had time to mature.
E3 will be forgotten by launch time and most buyers didn't see the presentation. Many who did were too entrenched to notice the differences.
X1 has a slight advantage because its verging closer to multi functional computers and media centers, where P4 aims to "just do games".

/The winner, I suspect, will be the PC.
/Prices have come down, features have gone up, DRM is now in place and many of the more complicated setup issues have been streamlined.
/For what a console will cost you, a consumer can reach a bit higher and get much more out of a PC.


maybe if PS4 and xbone were priced the same, but as it is when these things are out there and people walk into a store they'll see one for $100 less than the other, and with the same games, and more positive feedback from other consumers/friends - and that's all it will take to drown the xbone at launch
 
2013-06-14 09:09:36 AM

AdamK: way south: tacchimonster: A Shambling Mound: Meanwhile the smart people will wait a year or so to see which console changes the most after release.

MS has a pretty decent history of adding features and functionality (or at least, not breaking anything) while Sony has a solid track record of "F*ck you" so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

Everyone jumping around and screaming right now about which one is better before anyone even owns one is hugely amusing, though. I'll give you that.

---

Correct answer.

/XBO definitely has an uphill battle, though.

Not really. I don't think the extent of the difference will become apparent until next year, when both systems have had time to mature.
E3 will be forgotten by launch time and most buyers didn't see the presentation. Many who did were too entrenched to notice the differences.
X1 has a slight advantage because its verging closer to multi functional computers and media centers, where P4 aims to "just do games".

/The winner, I suspect, will be the PC.
/Prices have come down, features have gone up, DRM is now in place and many of the more complicated setup issues have been streamlined.
/For what a console will cost you, a consumer can reach a bit higher and get much more out of a PC.

maybe if PS4 and xbone were priced the same, but as it is when these things are out there and people walk into a store they'll see one for $100 less than the other, and with the same games, and more positive feedback from other consumers/friends - and that's all it will take to drown the xbone at launch



I'm still betting that the 360 legacy might fark with that plan. Double ungood if Sony goes legacy too.
Feel free to poke fun at me later if I'm wrong, but what the bargain hunters will see are previous gen consoles on the same shelf for $99. They will have most of the same games (at leastthrough 2014) and are going to flood the used game stores.
If money was the problem then You could fill a cart for the price of a PS4 or X1.

That's how it initially went down with the PS2 VS PS3 and 360.  Wii also took a lead because it appealed to many families while also becoming a second-system to the hard core gamers. The Nintendo exclusives and motion control mattered. The PS2 price point was well below what the upgrades will cost.

What we could have in the fall are five mainstream consoles (not counting piston, Ouya, and Android) vying for the "it just does games" title in a market filled with cross platform releases.

Microsoft's bone headed plan (pardon the pun) could pay off by separating itself from other consoles and bribing publishers with DRM.
The only thing I see preventing that is if the X1 collapses into a singularity of bugs and hacks.
 
2013-06-14 09:56:27 AM

way south: AdamK: maybe if PS4 and xbone were priced the same, but as it is when these things are out there and people walk into a store they'll see one for $100 less than the other, and with the same games, and more positive feedback from other consumers/friends - and that's all it will take to drown the xbone at launch


I'm still betting that the 360 legacy might fark with that plan. Double ungood if Sony goes legacy too.
Feel free to poke fun at me later if I'm wrong, but what the bargain hunters will see are previous gen consoles on the same shelf for $99. They will have most of the same games (at leastthrough 2014) and are going to flood the used game stores.
If money was the problem then You could fill a cart for the price of a PS4 or X1.

That's how it initially went down with the PS2 VS PS3 and 360.  Wii also took a lead because it appealed to many families while also becoming a second-system to the hard core gamers. The Nintendo exclusives and motion control mattered. The PS2 price point was well below what the upgrades will cost.

What we could have in the fall are five mainstream consoles (not counting piston, Ouya, and Android) vying for the "it just does games" title in a market filled with cross platform releases.

Microsoft's bone headed plan (pardon the pun) could pay off by separating itself from other consoles and bribing publishers with DRM.
The only thing I see preventing that is if the X1 collapses into a singularity of bugs and hacks.


i think that assumes 3rd parties aren't desperate for more revenue, if given that the hardware is pretty same across both platforms but one has more uptake and therefore more customers to generate revenue - then sony has the advantage over any DRM microsoft might have, on top of the reality xbone might generate less revenue than 360

i agree that PC is the clear beneficiary in all of this, both machines are x86 so porting to PC will become even more commonplace than it already is, Valve also figured out DRM that everybody was okay with years ago, and with a new generation of hardware already coming for PC there's a chance consoles will be just "gap fillers" before they even hit their 2nd year on the market
 
2013-06-14 10:00:21 AM
*edit: also sure neither console will sell as much as we think new consoles should sell when the biggest games of the year are all on platforms currently out
 
2013-06-14 10:40:55 AM
I'm happy when the new consoles come out.  Cheaper used games and since I don't mind being a generation behind, none of this other xbox one crap to deal with.
 
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