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(The Daily Beast)   And the winner in the console wars is.... well, it wasn't even close. It's Sony   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 205
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2013-06-13 04:07:30 PM
Meanwhile the smart people will wait a year or so to see which console changes the most after release.

MS has a pretty decent history of adding features and functionality (or at least, not breaking anything) while Sony has a solid track record of "F*ck you" so it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the long term.

Everyone jumping around and screaming right now about which one is better before anyone even owns one is hugely amusing, though. I'll give you that.
 
2013-06-13 04:08:33 PM

Witty_Retort: neritz: Don't worry, Sony will find some way to fark it up.

I like that everybody ignored when Sony said that DRM is possible and the console is shipping with it, they're just leaving it up to the publishers to decide to use it.
EA will use it. Activision probably will.

/part of the PC Master Race


It's easy to ignore because no one ever said that. What they're doing now is exactly what it's been like. The companies that choose to implement DRM won't see a dime of my money (and that includes Microsoft). Sony already said all 1st-party titles will be DRM free.
 
2013-06-13 04:09:47 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


Can we clarify this for once and for all?

I'm finally calming down from the Monday bunch of pressers and we have to at least make sure we have our info straight.

based on current info:
X1:

Mandatory online check = Yes.
No gaming if offline for 24 hrs = Yes
Lending games restricted = Depends on publisher, (all publishers so far have said no)
Selling games restricted = Depends on publisher, (all publishers so far have said no)
Used games restricted = Depends on publisher, (all publishers so far have said no)
Mandatory Camera = Yes, but only in the sense that Every machine will come with Kinect (not splitting up the user base is kind of a good thing. Though I'm conflicted on the non gaming potential)
Gold required for Netflix = Yes

Price $499.99 (comes with Kinect though, so 2 controllers if you think about it)

PS4:

Mandatory online check = NO
No gaming if offline for 24 hrs = NO
Lending games restricted = Depends on publisher?
Selling games restricted = Depends on publisher?
Used games restricted = Depends on publisher?
Mandatory Camera = No, but the eye camera will be an add on. (this will split the user base and limit developers as to input devices)
Gold required for Netflix = NO, (multiplayer online will be the PS+ service)

Price $399. (1 controller and camera is a $60.00 extra)


I'm starting to think it may be a wash depending on how the publisher choices pan out.

Will probably go PS4, but, I'm not 100% sure yet.
 
2013-06-13 04:13:40 PM

scottydoesntknow: Sony already said all 1st-party titles will be DRM free.


Just keep the 1st party part in mind.

I don't trust EA or Activision to not take advantage of the DRM options if they need to.
 
2013-06-13 04:15:36 PM

Doogles4221: Am I the only one who realizes what Microsoft is trying to do? The Xbox One is the only console capable of true "next gen" games. By forcing internet access and Kinect, games can be made with a whole new set of rules if companies can learn to take advantage of it. Sony cannot have any games that take advantage of the cloud computing possibilities, and with PS4-eye not being packed in; expect NO games that take use it in a cool way.

If I am buying a console to last me 8-10 years, I would rather have the one that has games and the new features. PS4 offers better graphics and larger games, but NOTHING NEW. Just off of the presentation Forza is incapable of being ported to PS4, as is Spark. Meanwhile Sony shows a total of ONE new ps4 exclusive game in 2 hours.
I understand that the Xbox One is only useful for a percentage of people at this time, but think about 6 years from now. The PS4 is locked into what it can do, while the Xbox can continue to outsource to the cloud for more power. Plus with Voice commands and Kinect built into every system, we gamers will see lots of interesting ideas that Sony cannot copy.

Xbox is the future for those that can deal with Microsofts BS. PS4 is the current generation warmed over again

/ own PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii
// will but a new system, but not this year.
/// want a Xbox for Crimson Dragon, and Titan Fall, and FFXV, and KH3


You make some good points.

One thing that eased my mind a bit was the sidebar  http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/06/ microsoft-defends-the-xbox-ones- licensing-used-game-policies/ - It explained how "Family Members" work. They don't have to be in your family or even the same city. They can be 3,000 miles away. If you share games, only one person can play them at a time; essentially, somebody else has the disc until they give it up (or their membership as a family member is terminated).

For somebody like me who has a son living at his mother's, that's a good thing. He can take a disc, install the game (download times will be horrendous with the size of files on a Blu-Ray disc) and use it because i will have shared it.

I'm trying to get an answer regarding how the "Family Members" works - how easy is it to add/remove members?

I see it this way. You take a disc to a friends and install it. You both play for a while. You add your friend's gamertag as a family member so he can play this game, too. A short time later, he wants to play but you're online playing it, so he can't. Maybe you take the game off the shared list because your friend is always playing it. Your friend sees this and KNOWS the game is already installed on his system - what does he do? If he's an adult, he may just end up buying the game because he likes it. A child would have to get permission (obviously).

It's like a drug dealer, but Microsoft is farming out the job to Xbox Live Members. Give somebody a taste of a game. If they like it, it may be enough to get them to buy it. They don't even have to leave home. That sweet, sweet game that they love is sitting there, calling to them. Will they resist?

Or, the reverse could happen. Friends could get together and buy a single copy and share it, taking turns to play. That would only work for single-player games - multiplayer games usually result in friends playing together, so they would need their own copies.
 
2013-06-13 04:15:51 PM

kronicfeld: DanZero: img.photobucket.com

The Netflix thing is way too trivial to include there. Who doesn't already have ten devices to watch Netflix? Between TV apps, Blu-Ray players, Roku and the like, there are a ton of ways to get that on your TV without using your video game system.


Probably a better way to phrase it would be that the ONLY online service you have to pay for is online multiplayer.  Facebook/Twitter/Netflix/Hulu/etc., basically anything you can access on the net you can do on the PS4 without paying monthly.

There's a reason for that, by the way.  The PS3 offered free online multiplayer, but that's because Sony wasn't in charge of any of the servers used for that.  If you want to play Borderlands 2 mutliplayer on PS3 it goes through Gearbox's servers, not Sony's.  Apparently this time around though all PS4 games are going to have to work through Sony's servers, though to what degree isn't clear.  Hopefully its enough that even if EA (for example) decides to cut all support for Game X, the multiplayer will not stop working since they shut down their servers.  The money you pay is essentially to support Sony's servers.

Doogles4221: <rephrased Microsoft press release>


Yeah, "the cloud" will really make everything better.  Uh-huh, keep telling yourself that buddy.

Oh by the way, that network port you see on the PS4?  That's all you need for access to "the cloud" and "cloud computing". DRM and daily call-ins are, amazingly, not required.
 
2013-06-13 04:17:33 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Sometimes my fellow gamers disappoint me. These are usual excuses / shill talking points i've been hearing lately:


for me, I would never buy a sony console because the controller is horrible for my hands. but to be fair, my hands are weird.

i'll probably get an xbone eventually, as the lady is quite addicted to the 360 and wouldn't even understand why anyone would care about used games or 24 hour whatever because it doesn't effect her at all.
 
2013-06-13 04:18:27 PM
Someone please correct/verify this information:

I've heard that Sony hasn't actually committed to the zero fee for used game exchanges, and they are actually leaving it up to the individual software developers to make that decision?

Seems like a clever way to placate the developers without bringing the wrath aimed at MS right now, but it also makes me think quite a few of the people condemning MS and praising Sony will be eating crow soon.

/Owns a 360, probably won't upgrade anytime soon anyway...
 
2013-06-13 04:20:17 PM
Virtual Pariah ,
scottydoesntknow: Sony already said all 1st-party titles will be DRM free.
Just keep the 1st party part in mind.
I don't trust EA or Activision to not take advantage of the DRM options if they need to.


It sucks Sony had to add this feature.

It still is the free market at it's best, and gives the public the dollar vote show how they feel EA and Activision or any other companies should they leverage these features.

/I am sad, but I hope the public is smart enough to reject DRM.
//Then again if you are dealing with FIFA2014 or Football2015, is there any sort of used market for these anyway?
 
2013-06-13 04:21:24 PM

Virtual Pariah: based on current info:
X1:

Mandatory online check = Yes.
No gaming if offline for 24 hrs = Yes
Lending games restricted = Depends on publisher, (all publishers so far have said no) Once only to someone who has been in your friends list for at least 30 days
Selling games restricted = Depends on publisher, (all publishers so far have said no)
Used games restricted = Depends on publisher, (all publishers so far have said no)
Mandatory Camera = Yes, but only in the sense that Every machine will come with Kinect (not splitting up the user base is kind of a good thing. Though I'm conflicted on the non gaming potential)
Gold required for Netflix anything online except basic web browsing = Yes

Price $499.99 (comes with Kinect though, so 2 controllers if you think about it)


Fixed two for you.

Also, while they haven't outright said anything about used/resold games being affected, the nature of how the system works (games tied to your account) means it is going to be vastly more complicated then "take game disk, put in box, exchange to someone for monies".
 
2013-06-13 04:22:05 PM

SmellsLikePoo: Someone please correct/verify this information:

I've heard that Sony hasn't actually committed to the zero fee for used game exchanges, and they are actually leaving it up to the individual software developers to make that decision?



That's what I'm trying to figure out.

After all the hype, I'm wondering if we are being hornswaggled.
 
2013-06-13 04:23:09 PM
Before we all line up to choke down on Sony,  remember that month in 2011 when PSN was down? Both companies have stumbled and unless you're in place to get a day one launch version most of us won't be bothering until the must play games start coming down the pipe. Launch titles tend to be over-hyped or games that were already scheduled to be released.
 
2013-06-13 04:23:57 PM

Virtual Pariah: scottydoesntknow: Sony already said all 1st-party titles will be DRM free.

Just keep the 1st party part in mind.

I don't trust EA or Activision to not take advantage of the DRM options if they need to.


EA announced they're doing away with online passes. They also went on record as saying the had zero input in Microsoft's decisions to implement DRM. Whether it's true or not is one thing as they're notorious for lying their asses off.

Doesn't matter much to me anyway as I'm really tired of EA and their franchises. I would've shown some interest in Dragon Age 3 if the second one didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth. And I haven't purchased a Call of Duty game since World at War so Activision doesn't matter to me either.
 
2013-06-13 04:26:59 PM
Doesn't change the fact that I will get the new XBOX. I am an upper middle class individual, with constant internet. It doesn't bother me. Plus, Microsoft's all-in-one connectivity with tv, and media is completely unparalleled. The masses that enjoy their consoles more than just gaming will favor the XBOX. PS4 may be the "better" game system (quotes used because they both pretty much will have the exact same output level in terms of power and graphics), but if you want versatility, the XBOX One is the way to go. E3 was only an echo chamber for Sony fans to keep telling themselves how great they think they are. And the media always loves a good controversy to pick up, in a bout a year, nothing drastic will happen on the console front and this whole outrage will be a thing of the past.
 
2013-06-13 04:27:34 PM

SmellsLikePoo: Someone please correct/verify this information:

I've heard that Sony hasn't actually committed to the zero fee for used game exchanges, and they are actually leaving it up to the individual software developers to make that decision?

Seems like a clever way to placate the developers without bringing the wrath aimed at MS right now, but it also makes me think quite a few of the people condemning MS and praising Sony will be eating crow soon.

/Owns a 360, probably won't upgrade anytime soon anyway...


Technically this is true, but this is not something that will only work on the new console generation.  If EA, for example, had wanted to make all their games require online activation with a one-time-use key printed on the manual, they could have in the last console generation.

If the publishers start making games require fees for exchanging or require you to have the game linked with some account or something, I'm going to be angry at the publisher, not Sony.  Why?  Because Sony isn't going to be facilitating this in any way other than making a console that can go online.  Microsoft on the other hand has been trumpeting how their console will already link games with accounts that have to be validated online.

Basically, Microsoft is giving publishers the tools to restrict games in those ways, while Sony is stepping way the f%$# back so any publishers who want to go that route are free to suffer the backlash alone.
 
2013-06-13 04:28:41 PM

NathanAllen: Before we all line up to choke down on Sony,  remember that month in 2011 when PSN was down?


Yes, and then Sony upgraded PSN so it wouldn't happen again (and it hasn't). Even then, PS3 owners were still able to play games on their system. If XB 1's servers go down, then the console becomes a $500 door stop.
 
2013-06-13 04:29:50 PM

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesn't change the fact that I will get the new XBOX. I am an upper middle class individual, with constant internet. It doesn't bother me. Plus, Microsoft's all-in-one connectivity with tv, and media is completely unparalleled. The masses that enjoy their consoles more than just gaming will favor the XBOX. PS4 may be the "better" game system (quotes used because they both pretty much will have the exact same output level in terms of power and graphics), but if you want versatility, the XBOX One is the way to go. E3 was only an echo chamber for Sony fans to keep telling themselves how great they think they are. And the media always loves a good controversy to pick up, in a bout a year, nothing drastic will happen on the console front and this whole outrage will be a thing of the past.


Ballmer-like typing detected.
 
2013-06-13 04:31:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Virtual Pariah: scottydoesntknow: Sony already said all 1st-party titles will be DRM free.

Just keep the 1st party part in mind.

I don't trust EA or Activision to not take advantage of the DRM options if they need to.

EA announced they're doing away with online passes. They also went on record as saying the had zero input in Microsoft's decisions to implement DRM. Whether it's true or not is one thing as they're notorious for lying their asses off.

Doesn't matter much to me anyway as I'm really tired of EA and their franchises. I would've shown some interest in Dragon Age 3 if the second one didn't leave such a bad taste in my mouth. And I haven't purchased a Call of Duty game since World at War so Activision doesn't matter to me either.


Not that I want to call EA a bunch of shiatsucking liars, but...

1. Isn't there some type of consortium who devises these things? They may not have directly communicated.
2. Isn't Don Mattrick the common link between EA and MS?
 
2013-06-13 04:32:17 PM
Doogles4221: <rephrased Microsoft press release>

Yeah, "the cloud" will really make everything better.  Uh-huh, keep telling yourself that buddy.

Oh by the way, that network port you see on the PS4?  That's all you need for access to "the cloud" and "cloud computing". DRM and daily call-ins are, amazingly, not required.


So are we going to get two classes of PS4 games? Those that are required to be online for "cloud" services, and those that are playable offline??
There has never been an optional add-on for a console that worked well, and by not forcing PS4 to be online, Sony has fragmented their own consumer base, and made online nothing more that another optional choice, instead of a feature that all developers will use.
 
2013-06-13 04:33:27 PM
I may be watching Game of Thrones too much, but I have a feeling that Sony is building we gamers up for this AWESOME ending, and they're gonna pull a GRRM on us.

Come release time: Full DRM, always on connectivity, higher price, lack of new titles FARK YOU GEORGE RR MARTIN YOU FATASS!!!! WHY HAVE YOU SPOILED HAPPY ENDINGS FOR ME???????
 
2013-06-13 04:34:21 PM

kronicfeld: The Netflix thing is way too trivial to include there. Who doesn't already have ten devices to watch Netflix? Between TV apps, Blu-Ray players, Roku and the like, there are a ton of ways to get that on your TV without using your video game system.


I agree that it's trivial, but at least in my circle, game systems are by far the #1 way to access Netflix.  Media boxes like Roku just never took off.  Most of my friends don't even own blu-ray players, and smart TVs are still far too expensive to be commonplace, at least comparatively.
 
2013-06-13 04:36:26 PM
FuryOfFirestorm:

Basically, Microsoft is giving publishers the tools to restrict games in those ways, while Sony is stepping way the f%$# back so any publishers who want to go that route are free to suffer the backlash alone.

No,
Both have the tools available, but only 1 may have announced it.
MS takes the PR hit and Sony walks away smelling good.

Console resources are too scarce to have anything unnecessary coded in that are not part of the dev tools.

The paranoid part of me wonders how much collusion goes on between the companies.
 
2013-06-13 04:38:17 PM

FlashHarry: i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.


I'm a Microsoft fan, but, damn, what in the hell were they thinking? They might as well have said "don't bother buying the Xbox One" - and, what's worse, their own friggin' PR person basically said just that.

What the hell, Microsoft? What the hell?
 
2013-06-13 04:39:29 PM

kendelrio: I may be watching Game of Thrones too much, but I have a feeling that Sony is building we gamers up for this AWESOME ending, and they're gonna pull a GRRM on us.

Come release time: Full DRM, always on connectivity, higher price, lack of new titles FARK YOU GEORGE RR MARTIN YOU FATASS!!!! WHY HAVE YOU SPOILED HAPPY ENDINGS FOR ME???????


Blue Wedding. The NSA stabs Sony in the gut, killing the PS4, leaving us all stuck with Microsoft and their whiny, vicious, inbred little spawn.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:01 PM

Le Grand Inquisitor: Doesn't change the fact that I will get the new XBOX. I am an upper middle class individual, with constant internet. It doesn't bother me. Plus, Microsoft's all-in-one connectivity with tv, and media is completely unparalleled. The masses that enjoy their consoles more than just gaming will favor the XBOX. PS4 may be the "better" game system (quotes used because they both pretty much will have the exact same output level in terms of power and graphics), but if you want versatility, the XBOX One is the way to go. E3 was only an echo chamber for Sony fans to keep telling themselves how great they think they are. And the media always loves a good controversy to pick up, in a bout a year, nothing drastic will happen on the console front and this whole outrage will be a thing of the past.


Y'know, I'm partial to Microsoft products as well, but that was a level of boot-licking I haven't seen since "Wizards", right there, Larry.
 
2013-06-13 04:43:52 PM
When the PS3 came out you could install Linux on it. Now? Nope! I don't trust Sony to keep their promises. They're enjoying a moment in the sun thanks to Microsoft's missteps but Sony is still Sony. Google 'Boycott Sony' if you've forgotten their past sins. The talk for the PS4 is just like when the PS3 came out. It would be open and free. Microsoft was the evil guys, we're the good guys. Then the market settled down and Sony felt safe to break their promises. What is anyone going to do if they break their promises on the PS4? Switch to XB1?

Microsoft's connection requirement is standard Silicon Valley arrogance, which is even worse when you consider they're not in Silicon Valley. Internet access for much of the country sucks. There's a built in assumption in all the cloud computing services that everyone has internet service similar to what they have in the Bay area (and Redmond). They laugh that only hick towns in flyover country have poor connectivity. The reality is far from that. Microsoft is going to end up backing off the call home beacon when they're swamped with calls and returns from people in large cities that they're assuming have excellent net connectivity. I live one block from one of the fattest internet pipes in the country. I can look out my window and see the manhole covers with Level3 stamped on them. Doesn't matter... I'm stuck with terrible service from Comcast that goes down for random unknown reasons and never delivers on the speed advertised. For all too many, terrible net connectivity is reality and no amount of advertising by Microsoft or Comcast will magically make that change. A year after the release of both consoles the landscape will likely look much different than today. Both companies will adjust. And both companies will sell tens of consoles regardless of what people on internet message boards say.
 
2013-06-13 04:45:10 PM
Probably covered already, but:
the battle of the consoles-this first round of it, anyway-was won on three fronts: connectivity requirements, disc-based game sharing/trading, and price.

Ah, right, three things I don't give a shiat about.
Connectivity requirements: I already have, and have had for years, a Gold account.. because, duh.

disc-based game sharing/trading: I get that this is a huge issue and I really hope it changes because I do buy the occasional used game, but it's not the be-all and end-all of why I'll choose a console

Price: Meh, whatever.

The one thing they don't cover, and this is the be-all and end-all of why I'll pick a console, is functionality and (as subsets) online multiplayer and, more difficult to describe, game "feel"... I simply prefer playing games on my Xbox over my PS3.  I have no idea yet which of the new consoles I'll like better, but none of the "three fronts" listed above mean much to me.
 
2013-06-13 04:52:53 PM

EngineerAU: And both companies will sell tens of consoles regardless of what people on internet message boards say.


TONS of consoles. Jeez, that changed the meaning quite a bit.
 
2013-06-13 04:53:42 PM

chewielouie: [i232.photobucket.com image 850x405]


Ha! I like this take on it as well:
 
2013-06-13 04:56:49 PM
timujin
The one thing they don't cover, and this is the be-all and end-all of why I'll pick a console, is functionality and (as subsets) online multiplayer and, more difficult to describe, game "feel"... I simply prefer playing games on my Xbox over my PS3.  I have no idea yet which of the new consoles I'll like better, but none of the "three fronts" listed above mean much to me.


Can Steve Ballmer come over to your house once in while and verbally abuse you too, as long as the gameplay experience works on the console?
 
2013-06-13 04:57:21 PM
Doogles4221

From TFA:

It was so obvious to so many people that those claiming to favor the "Xbone" were accused of being Microsoft shills, paid by the company to infiltrate message boards and comments sections to balance the scales.

I cannot imagine why I thought of that after reading your post, filled as it was with marketing doublespeak ("The Xbox One is the only console capable of true "next gen" games", "Xbox is the future") and outright lies ("Sony shows a total of ONE new ps4 exclusive game", "Sony cannot have any games that take advantage of the cloud computing possibilities" ).

/Or you could just be a deluded fanboy.
 
2013-06-13 04:58:22 PM
I will probably wait a year or year and a half before get a new console (just got a PS3 last year) and so far, I'm really partial towards PS4, more than anything because I WILL BE ABLE TO PLAY THE DAMN THING IN MY COUNTRY...

/Not really able to PC gaming...
//Except for LoL...
 
2013-06-13 05:03:35 PM

EngineerAU: Microsoft's connection requirement is standard Silicon Valley arrogance, which is even worse when you consider they're not in Silicon Valley. Internet access for much of the country sucks. There's a built in assumption in all the cloud computing services that everyone has internet service similar to what they have in the Bay area (and Redmond). They laugh that only hick towns in flyover country have poor connectivity.


Hell, and the majority of problems aren't even going to be from end users. It's going to be from their own servers getting DDOS'd when major games release. It'll be Sim City times Diablo times an MMO launch every time a new Halo game comes out, only it'll crash the system for everybody, not just those who bought the game.
 
2013-06-13 05:03:39 PM

kronicfeld: Blues_X: I'm leaning strongly towards the ps4. I know we'll eventually get both. But I've been really impressed with the playstation network, where you actually get more than just online playability and a few discounts for your $$. I've got a lot of free games via PSN.

I'm hate the lack of reverse compatibility. There are a ton of PS3 games I've missed by not having one. I know that eventually they retooled the PS3 so that it could play a bunch of old PSX and PS2 games, but that was a few versions (and years) later. I'm not going to buy one at launch and buy another 18 months later when they upgrade it.


Its going to be longer than 18 months before x86 can emulate a ps3.
 
2013-06-13 05:04:34 PM

kvinesknows: okay seriously.. did MS honestly not look at the name and think hmm..  no way anyone will mistake the way we mean this name to be said

X BONE

yeah,.. I aint evern boning my ex.. thanks.


Most of them have had silly names.  But that doesn't seem to affect sales:

Wii - too many penis jokes
Wii-U - just got worse
XBox 360 - still doesn't make sense
Gameboy - sounds like a pedophile's weekend getaway
iPad - More bodily function references
PS 1, 2, 3, etc. - lends itself to being called a piece 'o shiat, and "playstation" is silly in its own right

Other than the initial WTF moment, the names don't seem to mean much if the product is solid.
 
2013-06-13 05:04:51 PM

exick: There are a few things that Microsoft could easily correct that would actually make this a contest, but they're too stubborn and ignorant to do them apparently.


The decisions made are both malicious and intentional. I suspect it will be a while after launch before they consider changing anything. We can only wait and see.
The two main issues are the Kinect and the constant online, but there is a third one bothering me.

Keeping kinect in the box (increasing the price) means Xbox will natively support controls that the PS4 can't. This is a problem for cross platform titles take advantage of the features.
Going constant online is justdoubling down on DRM. All the people looking at Sony's victory dance on youtube would be unaffected by this policy (and many people on the fringe and in the military do have internet), but it keeps ebay and gamestop from eating the publishers lunch.

The legacy 360 might be another wrench in sony's price point plan.  People won't spend $399 if they can spend $99 and get most of the same titles.  Its a slower system, but it has most of the features PS4 does.

/My prediction: Microsoft rides this mess right into 2014.
/Maybe changes "once every 24 hours" to "once every X hours of play".
 
2013-06-13 05:09:25 PM

tlchwi02: FuryOfFirestorm: Sometimes my fellow gamers disappoint me. These are usual excuses / shill talking points i've been hearing lately:

for me, I would never buy a sony console because the controller is horrible for my hands. but to be fair, my hands are weird.

i'll probably get an xbone eventually, as the lady is quite addicted to the 360 and wouldn't even understand why anyone would care about used games or 24 hour whatever because it doesn't effect her at all.


Your 'lady' sounds like a terrible person.

"like omg why are people complaining when my internet is perfect and I never buy used. How of these entitled brats not realize I don't have any problems with always online or used games? It's almost like other people have their own problems."

Sad to say, the majority of diehard xboners sound exactly the same - 'Since it doesn't effect me personally, no one gets to say anything negative. There's no reason people should feel contrary to what I feel.'

And I thought the self-absorbed arrogance from apple fanboys was bad.
 
2013-06-13 05:09:30 PM
I've said it before, but:

1) Farkers are not exactly the "average user". The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?), couldn't care less about whether they have to be connected to the net (I'd wager the VAST majority of current gaming systems are connected 24/7).

2) The price difference won't matter.

3) People keep (wrongly) making the assumption that they are comparing two gaming systems. PS4 is a gaming system. XBONE is an entertainment center, for people who don't want to put together a media PC.
 
2013-06-13 05:11:22 PM

Hebalo: The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?)


I just lent Bioshock Infinite to somebody the other day. You've seriously never borrowed or rented a game in your life?
 
2013-06-13 05:13:55 PM

Khellendros: XBox 360 - still doesn't make sense


That's a result of Microsoft's marketing team trying to one-up/keep up with the competition. Specifically:
Sony releases Playstation.
Sony releases Playstation 2, Microsoft releases XBox.
Sony releases Playstation 3... Microsoft releases XBox 2? No, now we're a generation behind... Shiat, better come up with a 3-based name. 360? Yeah, that'll work.
Sony releases Playstation 4... Microsoft releases XBox 3? Same problem, and they already had a 3-based name. XBoxOne? Yeah, that's the ticket.

They did the same thing back in 2000 when Apple jumped from OS 9 to OS X. Microsoft had to be equally Xtreme! so they released Windows XP. As a result, while Apple could just go to OS 10.1, 10.2, etc., Microsoft bounced around with Longhorn and Vista and then finally 7 and 8 in a return to numbering.
 
2013-06-13 05:15:21 PM

Hebalo: 1) Farkers are not exactly the "average user". The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?), couldn't care less about whether they have to be connected to the net (I'd wager the VAST majority of current gaming systems are connected 24/7).


Well if you're going by Fark, GameStop should've already shut down as everyone on here hates their guts. Yet GameStop is very successful, mainly due to the reselling of used games. They're getting those used games from somewhere and I would guess it's from the "average users".

/When I was a poor college kid I could only get new games after trading in old ones to help offset the cost
 
2013-06-13 05:15:31 PM

Hebalo: I've said it before, but:

1) Farkers are not exactly the "average user". The "average user" doesn't care about trading games (really, who does that anyway?), couldn't care less about whether they have to be connected to the net (I'd wager the VAST majority of current gaming systems are connected 24/7).

2) The price difference won't matter.

3) People keep (wrongly) making the assumption that they are comparing two gaming systems. PS4 is a gaming system. XBONE is an entertainment center, for people who don't want to put together a media PC.


The price won't matter for the average consumer? Seriously?

I don't think you know what the average consumer is exactly.
 
2013-06-13 05:16:10 PM

Someothermonkey: Sad to say, the majority of diehard xboners sound exactly the same - 'Since it doesn't effect me personally, no one gets to say anything negative. There's no reason people should feel contrary to what I feel.'


I doubt the always online requirement will ever affect me - or at least, if my network connection is down, I've got bigger problems to deal with. But I certainly understand that it's a horrible imposition for some, including people who travel and bring their system with them, troops deployed overseas who play local multiplayer, etc.
 
2013-06-13 05:19:33 PM

Doogles4221: Am I the only one who realizes what Microsoft is trying to do? The Xbox One is the only console capable of true "next gen" games. By forcing internet access and Kinect, games can be made with a whole new set of rules if companies can learn to take advantage of it. Sony cannot have any games that take advantage of the cloud computing possibilities, and with PS4-eye not being packed in; expect NO games that take use it in a cool way.


This.  Nobody is going to make any cool games for a $59 optional device.
 
2013-06-13 05:20:06 PM
To everyone making the point they don't care about the new rules MS set out on the xbox telescreen.

Link

The patent seems to cover many bases, but the Microsoft product that appears ready-made to deliver emotionally targeted ads is Kinect, the motion-sensing input device that was released for Xbox but now also has a version for Windows. The application states that a user who screams or paces back and forth, when observed by Kinect, could be assigned a negative emotional state by a currently hypothetical advertising engine.


If you want to be tracked for profit, by all means buy it.
 
2013-06-13 05:20:23 PM

Gunther: Doogles4221

From TFA:

It was so obvious to so many people that those claiming to favor the "Xbone" were accused of being Microsoft shills, paid by the company to infiltrate message boards and comments sections to balance the scales.

I cannot imagine why I thought of that after reading your post, filled as it was with marketing doublespeak ("The Xbox One is the only console capable of true "next gen" games", "Xbox is the future") and outright lies ("Sony shows a total of ONE new ps4 exclusive game", "Sony cannot have any games that take advantage of the cloud computing possibilities" ).

/Or you could just be a deluded fanboy.


Nope.

Order 1884 by Ready for Dawn(trailer only), was the only NEW PS4 exclusive game. Maybe some of the Indie games(they were not clear on that, but PC/steam is most likely getting them)

Other than that; Beyond, Killzone, Infamous, and Driveclub were announced earlier.
FFXV, KF3, GTA5, Battlefield 4, Watch Dogs, AC4, Destiny and NBA2k14 are all on Xbox One. FFIV is on PC.

/if anything, I am a Nintendo fanboy
//just thought Sony had the worst e3 conference I have ever seen other then the 2 minutes of news.
///If there was another game, let me know
 
2013-06-13 05:21:13 PM

Hebalo: XBONE is an entertainment center, for people who don't want to put together a media PC.


But will it play MKV files and allow USB sticks to be formatted with something other than FAT (4GB max file size) or HFS (Need a Mac)? These requirements might be a corner case that most won't care about but in general I've found the Xbox to be only so-so at being a media center. If nothing else, Microsoft should be terribly embarrassed by the built in music player. Xbox is good for watching Netflix or Amazon Prime but for playing ripped CDs, podcasts, or video obtained from the net (legit or not), the 360 isn't all that great. Maybe the XB1 will be different but given Microsoft's (and Sony's) tendency to err in favor of media company demands rather than usability, I'm not getting my hopes up.
 
2013-06-13 05:21:46 PM

chewielouie: [i232.photobucket.com image 850x405]


That gamer survived.
 
2013-06-13 05:22:38 PM

Enemabag Jones: To everyone making the point they don't care about the new rules MS set out on the xbox telescreen.

Link

The patent seems to cover many bases, but the Microsoft product that appears ready-made to deliver emotionally targeted ads is Kinect, the motion-sensing input device that was released for Xbox but now also has a version for Windows. The application states that a user who screams or paces back and forth, when observed by Kinect, could be assigned a negative emotional state by a currently hypothetical advertising engine.

If you want to be tracked for profit, by all means buy it.


"Joey, please you need to calm down. The XBone is advertising Xanax again."

They also have a patent on determining how many people are in the room with you, so they can charge more for movie rentals.
 
2013-06-13 05:24:49 PM

Ed Grubermann: Elegy: We finally bought a PS3 about a year ago. Got home anf learned that the PS3s are no longer backwards compatable, making that stack of games we were looking fowardthing to playing again useless.


Grrrr. Fark you Sony.

Buy a farking PS2 if you want to play PS2 games. You can still get them. Amazon has them for $124.00 (US). Yes, PS2 compatibility was built into the early units, but that became ever less meaningful to users as time went on as people with PS2 libraries would have (in a reasonable world) already purchased a PS3 during the first three years they were out.


Or alternatively, there are emulators and....that which must not be named, if you catch my drift.
 
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