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2013-06-13 12:27:46 PM
i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.
 
2013-06-13 12:34:03 PM
It's kinda sad when the easiest way to win the console war is to say you aren't changing anything. Microsoft screwed it all up, and it's entirely their fault. All Sony did was capitalize on it.

www.teampwnicorn.com
 
2013-06-13 12:38:25 PM
okay seriously.. did MS honestly not look at the name and think hmm..  no way anyone will mistake the way we mean this name to be said

X BONE

yeah,.. I aint evern boning my ex.. thanks.
 
2013-06-13 12:45:42 PM

FlashHarry: i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.


I haven't talked to anyone planning on buying an XBox.  Most gamers I know are skipping consoles altogether. My daughter just spend about $500 on a pair of kick ass video cards, and the result is astonishing.
 
2013-06-13 12:45:52 PM
There are a few things that Microsoft could easily correct that would actually make this a contest, but they're too stubborn and ignorant to do them apparently.
 
2013-06-13 12:47:03 PM
Now the question will be, how does MS respond? Most of the gripes people have about the XB1 can be reversed through software changes. The question becomes, will they make those changes or stick to their guns?
 
2013-06-13 12:50:02 PM

exick: There are a few things that Microsoft could easily correct that would actually make this a contest, but they're too stubborn and ignorant to do them apparently.


See: Windows 8 Metro interface.
 
2013-06-13 12:51:13 PM
I'm leaning strongly towards the ps4. I know we'll eventually get both. But I've been really impressed with the playstation network, where you actually get more than just online playability and a few discounts for your $$. I've got a lot of free games via PSN.
 
2013-06-13 01:34:21 PM

Blues_X: I'm leaning strongly towards the ps4. I know we'll eventually get both. But I've been really impressed with the playstation network, where you actually get more than just online playability and a few discounts for your $$. I've got a lot of free games via PSN.


I'm hate the lack of reverse compatibility. There are a ton of PS3 games I've missed by not having one. I know that eventually they retooled the PS3 so that it could play a bunch of old PSX and PS2 games, but that was a few versions (and years) later. I'm not going to buy one at launch and buy another 18 months later when they upgrade it.
 
2013-06-13 01:45:29 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Most gamers I know are skipping consoles altogether.


i'm a casual gamer. i don't need, nor do i want, a "gaming pc." i just want a console that works and doesn't make you phone home every 24 hours.
 
2013-06-13 02:04:18 PM

kronicfeld: I know that eventually they retooled the PS3 so that it could play a bunch of old PSX and PS2 games, but that was a few versions (and years) later.


They actually did the opposite. When the PS3 was first released, it was able to play PSX and PS2 games out of the box. Originally it had hardware inside it that allowed it to play PS2 games. New models were introduced that took that hardware out and emulated the PS2 via software. Then the "slim" model was released and the ability to play PS2 games was completely removed. All models of the PS3 can still play PSX games. The only way to play PS2 games on the current models of PS3 is by purchase and download through the PSN Store of whichever games have been made available.
 
2013-06-13 02:06:41 PM

exick: They actually did the opposite. When the PS3 was first released, it was able to play PSX and PS2 games out of the box. Originally it had hardware inside it that allowed it to play PS2 games. New models were introduced that took that hardware out and emulated the PS2 via software. Then the "slim" model was released and the ability to play PS2 games was completely removed. All models of the PS3 can still play PSX games. The only way to play PS2 games on the current models of PS3 is by purchase and download through the PSN Store of whichever games have been made available.


Oh. Well sucks to that then.
 
2013-06-13 02:15:52 PM

kronicfeld: exick: They actually did the opposite. When the PS3 was first released, it was able to play PSX and PS2 games out of the box. Originally it had hardware inside it that allowed it to play PS2 games. New models were introduced that took that hardware out and emulated the PS2 via software. Then the "slim" model was released and the ability to play PS2 games was completely removed. All models of the PS3 can still play PSX games. The only way to play PS2 games on the current models of PS3 is by purchase and download through the PSN Store of whichever games have been made available.

Oh. Well sucks to that then.


Yea, they had a PS2 inside the PS3. Made it backwards compatible with almost all PS1 and 2 games. Could also play SACDs and run Linux. Sony screwed their customers over slowly and in small bits by taking that stuff away.  MS is doing everything wrong right away.

How arrogant can MS be? It's one thing to be arrogant... but to be wrong as well? Damn.
 
2013-06-13 02:17:02 PM

FlashHarry: i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.


I've had Nintendo consoles, a PS1 and a PS2, but I went with the Xbox 360, mainly because Mass Effect was (at the time) exclusive to the 360.  I'm leaning towards a PS4, but only if they fix PS3 backwards compatibility, because there's a few PS3 exclusives I'd like to check out sometime.
 
2013-06-13 02:45:31 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 03:25:59 PM

kvinesknows: okay seriously.. did MS honestly not look at the name and think hmm..  no way anyone will mistake the way we mean this name to be said

X BONE

yeah,.. I aint evern boning my ex.. thanks.


After looking at naked pictures of Betty White, I now have an X-bone.
 
2013-06-13 03:26:26 PM
Actually, I think they've sold the same number of units, so...yeah...why doesn't everybody just shut the fark up about it until, y'know...someone actually has one.
 
2013-06-13 03:27:38 PM
I've got no consoles in my house except a Wii the kids don't play much anymore.  I currently have no internet, even though I'll probably eventually get satellite. Yes, I live in the sticks and like it that way.

So I'm wondering what system I should consider.
 
2013-06-13 03:29:57 PM

kvinesknows: okay seriously.. did MS honestly not look at the name and think hmm..  no way anyone will mistake the way we mean this name to be said

X BONE

yeah,.. I aint evern boning my ex.. thanks.


Well, calling it the iPad didn't seem to hurt Apple, did it?
 
2013-06-13 03:30:41 PM
Nice boobs at the bottom of the article. WTF
 
2013-06-13 03:31:43 PM
I use a 15" standard PAL television, so I never even considered a 360 or PS3.  I might step into this generation eventually but it's bound to be as a very late adopter after the games aren't available new and the servers may no longer be up. Which rather kills the Xbone right from the start.

The WiiU does look like it has potential to do something different. Otherwise I'll stick with the PC, older consoles and handhelds.
 
2013-06-13 03:32:40 PM
i232.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-13 03:33:16 PM

Lando Lincoln: Actually, I think they've sold the same number of units, so...yeah...why doesn't everybody just shut the fark up about it until, y'know...someone actually has one.


I had to get to the bottom of the thread before I found this?
 
2013-06-13 03:34:19 PM

exick: kronicfeld: I know that eventually they retooled the PS3 so that it could play a bunch of old PSX and PS2 games, but that was a few versions (and years) later.

They actually did the opposite. When the PS3 was first released, it was able to play PSX and PS2 games out of the box. Originally it had hardware inside it that allowed it to play PS2 games. New models were introduced that took that hardware out and emulated the PS2 via software. Then the "slim" model was released and the ability to play PS2 games was completely removed. All models of the PS3 can still play PSX games. The only way to play PS2 games on the current models of PS3 is by purchase and download through the PSN Store of whichever games have been made available.


This. We finally bought a PS3 about a year ago. Got home anf learned that the PS3s are no longer backwards compatable, making that stack of games we were looking fowardthing to playing again useless.


Grrrr. Fark you Sony.
 
2013-06-13 03:34:56 PM

Kangaroo_Ralph: I've got no consoles in my house except a Wii the kids don't play much anymore.  I currently have no internet, even though I'll probably eventually get satellite. Yes, I live in the sticks and like it that way.

So I'm wondering what system I should consider.


No Internet, huh?

An Atari 7800. Since you're living in the 80's and all.
 
2013-06-13 03:36:41 PM

FlashHarry: i've been a loyal xbox owner since the first one back in 2001, but there's NO way i'll get an xbone. when it comes time to get a "next gen" console, it'll be a PS4. microsoft really screwed their customers (and themselves) on this one.


Pretty much this.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:03 PM
Sometimes my fellow gamers disappoint me. These are usual excuses / shill talking points i've been hearing lately:

1) "but...but...HALO! FORZA!". If you prefer the XB1's lineup, thats fine. But putting up with all those restrictions just for a handful of exclusives? That's like saying it's worth eating 5 courses of dog sh*t just to get some pie at the end. Especially when there are other courses available that don't make you eat dog sh*t to get pie at the end.

2) "but...but...SPORTS! TV! MEDIA!". You know, there are media centers that are a lot cheaper and less restrictive. For you're paying $500 for a glorified Roku box, you're a sucker.

3) "but...but...KINECT!" Have you actually played any Kinect games? 99% of them sucked. Everyone had this picture of Minority Report style interfaces, but if you ever played Steel Battalion:Heavy Armor on Kinect, you'd know that is far from the truth. And then there's the camera, watching you fap....

Honestly, I don't really want XB1 to fail, because competition spurs innovations and keeps prices down. But Microsoft isn't going to listen to us unless they hear us speak with our wallets. Buying this system just tells them that you like having your rights as a gamer restricted and removed.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:20 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 640x563]


This is what happens when you let the people in charge of follow on sales dictate design and function.  I bet the only reason they don't deactivate the console if a new game isn't purchased every ten days is that legal is still looking into it.
 
2013-06-13 03:39:29 PM

southpawtn: Nice boobs at the bottom of the article. WTF


Wasn't going to read the article, let alone click it... Still haven't read the article.

/I'll be in my bunk...
 
2013-06-13 03:40:53 PM

Lando Lincoln: Actually, I think they've sold the same number of units, so...yeah...why doesn't everybody just shut the fark up about it until, y'know...someone actually has one.


How about "no!" Does that work for you?
 
2013-06-13 03:41:41 PM
I'm guessing since the ps3 debuted at, what was it, $699 originally? Xbone thought that $499 would be reasonable to set their price at. So I don't really blame them for that. However, they're just being greedy with the mandatory online check-ins and the non-sharing of games and what have you.

I have a wii because that's TRUE backwards comparability right there. Want nes, snes, or 64 games? Ten bucks a pop. Want to play game cube games? Our full size CD drive runs the minidiscs too, no problem! It helps me keep my entire collection of Nintendo games without having multiple consoles- very smart.

I have always been of the opinion that PS>Xbox, right from the get-go. I love my ps3, I got it when they went slim and dropped to $399. The Mister is chomping at the bit for a ps4. I don't blame him one iota.

The more I see of Microsoft, the more they're convincing me not to spend my money on them.
 
2013-06-13 03:42:06 PM
Let's not suck Sony's dick too fast.  Yeah, they actually gave something consumers wanted and not just offer something they wanted to offer because they can, like Microsoft did.

But Sony has lots of bodies in that closet if you want to take a look.  They are still an evil corporation that did pretty much the right thing this time.

/However hurray to Sony for offering  just a gaming console without too many concessions to screw the consumer.
 
2013-06-13 03:46:41 PM

Elegy: We finally bought a PS3 about a year ago. Got home anf learned that the PS3s are no longer backwards compatable, making that stack of games we were looking fowardthing to playing again useless.


Grrrr. Fark you Sony.


Buy a farking PS2 if you want to play PS2 games. You can still get them. Amazon has them for $124.00 (US). Yes, PS2 compatibility was built into the early units, but that became ever less meaningful to users as time went on as people with PS2 libraries would have (in a reasonable world) already purchased a PS3 during the first three years they were out.
 
2013-06-13 03:48:33 PM

Ambivalence: Now the question will be, how does MS respond? Most of the gripes people have about the XB1 can be reversed through software changes. The question becomes, will they make those changes or stick to their guns?


Just look at how they handled the Merto interface on Win 8. I predict they'll do the same here - stick to their guns until the majority have made the decision to pass on the product, and then belatedly give in. Economically it'll be too little, too late, but the data analysis will be used to show "see, it didn't improve things when we buckled" - which executives will use to justify the next stupid decision.

I figure they have two more runs like it before there's a serious upheaval in their senior management. Someone playing it right could slip into one of Microsoft's major markets when it happens.
 
2013-06-13 03:50:23 PM
Gordon Bennett
The WiiU does look like it has potential to do something different. Otherwise I'll stick with the PC, older consoles and handhelds.


So did the Wii.  The problem was that creative spark that you saw in some of the wii games created by nintendo didn't get exploited by the third party software companies very well.  It was mostly shovelware.

Nintendo wants to do something different, but too often they didn't offer as much as they could have and third party companies did step up to the plate.

/For the love of god, why wasn't there a star wars light saber game based on that wii sports sword game.  It shouted out too be made.
 
2013-06-13 03:51:53 PM
Maybe I am on the wrong end of the spectrum but why is no one even mentioning the wii u in any of these articles? It appears to be the least restrictive of the three gaming consoles and has some very well known, tried and true exclusives (and EA wont have anything to so with them, which is a plus in my book). It is also the only one offering true backwards compatibility with the last generation as well. I am well aware of the "kiddy image" hate that they have been getting for a while, but it seems to me that the only ones that worry about the kiddy image are the kids.
 
2013-06-13 03:52:06 PM
Nintendo wants to do something different, but too often they didn't offer as much as they could have and third party companies didn't step up to the plate.

ftfm
 
2013-06-13 03:52:51 PM

Elegy: making that stack of games we were looking fowardthing to playing again useless.


Looks like I'm going to be keeping my PS2 for another decade.
 
2013-06-13 03:53:48 PM
I'd think that people might want to wait until, I don't know, maybe until they're actually RELEASED before bestowing a crown on one of them?

Sure, the initial announcements look like Sony has the more consumer friendly console. But for all we know things can change, games can suck, the execution of the console can suck, etc.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:18 PM
Don't worry, Sony will find some way to fark it up.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:30 PM

DanZero: img.photobucket.com


The Netflix thing is way too trivial to include there. Who doesn't already have ten devices to watch Netflix? Between TV apps, Blu-Ray players, Roku and the like, there are a ton of ways to get that on your TV without using your video game system.
 
2013-06-13 03:54:54 PM
Am I the only one who realizes what Microsoft is trying to do? The Xbox One is the only console capable of true "next gen" games. By forcing internet access and Kinect, games can be made with a whole new set of rules if companies can learn to take advantage of it. Sony cannot have any games that take advantage of the cloud computing possibilities, and with PS4-eye not being packed in; expect NO games that take use it in a cool way.

If I am buying a console to last me 8-10 years, I would rather have the one that has games and the new features. PS4 offers better graphics and larger games, but NOTHING NEW. Just off of the presentation Forza is incapable of being ported to PS4, as is Spark. Meanwhile Sony shows a total of ONE new ps4 exclusive game in 2 hours.
I understand that the Xbox One is only useful for a percentage of people at this time, but think about 6 years from now. The PS4 is locked into what it can do, while the Xbox can continue to outsource to the cloud for more power. Plus with Voice commands and Kinect built into every system, we gamers will see lots of interesting ideas that Sony cannot copy.

Xbox is the future for those that can deal with Microsofts BS. PS4 is the current generation warmed over again

/ own PS1, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii
// will but a new system, but not this year.
/// want a Xbox for Crimson Dragon, and Titan Fall, and FFXV, and KH3
 
2013-06-13 03:55:08 PM
Bend Over Ballmer  (BOB), Sony's as hard as the Rock of Gibraltar.
 
2013-06-13 03:58:11 PM
I was getting kind of tired of PC gaming and was preparing to finally hop on the console bandwagon with this new generation. But with everything I'm hearing lately I think I'll save my money and just buy another video card...
 
2013-06-13 04:00:52 PM

Carousel Beast: I figure they have two more runs like it before there's a serious upheaval in their senior management.


Really? I think this will be the swansong of quite a few top execs, if not their entire PR department.
 
2013-06-13 04:01:14 PM

neritz: Don't worry, Sony will find some way to fark it up.


I like that everybody ignored when Sony said that DRM is possible and the console is shipping with it, they're just leaving it up to the publishers to decide to use it.
EA will use it. Activision probably will.

/part of the PC Master Race
 
2013-06-13 04:01:49 PM

kronicfeld: Blues_X: I'm leaning strongly towards the ps4. I know we'll eventually get both. But I've been really impressed with the playstation network, where you actually get more than just online playability and a few discounts for your $$. I've got a lot of free games via PSN.

I'm hate the lack of reverse compatibility. There are a ton of PS3 games I've missed by not having one. I know that eventually they retooled the PS3 so that it could play a bunch of old PSX and PS2 games, but that was a few versions (and years) later. I'm not going to buy one at launch and buy another 18 months later when they upgrade it.


The thing is, I understand why the PS4 won't have backwards compatibility for the PS3: making an emulator for it would be nearly impossible, at least so it would have even acceptable performance.  It isn't a case of a simple architecture change, the PS3 had subprocessors on its subprocessors (a point that drove many developers insane), whereas the PS4 is a more straightforward CPU architecture.  There's just no way to emulate all 14 (or whatever it was) independent subprocessors while keeping even acceptable performance levels.  That's why they're going the route they are, i.e. re-releasing PS3 games compiled for the PS4 system, because it's pretty much the only way it'll work on the current hardware.

Of course, it's Sony's fault for making the PS3 so godawful overcomplicated in the first place, hardware-wise, but it's not like they can undo that decision.

Lando Lincoln: Actually, I think they've sold the same number of units, so...yeah...why doesn't everybody just shut the fark up about it until, y'know...someone actually has one.


Yes, how dare we have the unbridled temerity to point out the gaping, bleeding bullethole that the Xbone put in its own foot.

Look, at this point on every possible metric you can think of the Xbone loses.  Number of console exclusives, overall system specs, price point, requirements to run, ease of use, backwards compatibility ("none at all ever" vs. "sort of eventually"), indie dev support... I literally cannot think of any way Microsoft's product has anything over Sony's.  It's not just not close, it's not even a contest to begin with. Unless Microsoft magically fixes all of the Xbone's shortcomings it is going to lose this time around, period.

Kangaroo_Ralph: I've got no consoles in my house except a Wii the kids don't play much anymore.  I currently have no internet, even though I'll probably eventually get satellite. Yes, I live in the sticks and like it that way.

So I'm wondering what system I should consider.


Probably stick with your PC.  Unless there's some game that is a console exclusive that you absolutely have to play, it doesn't sound like you really have a reason to get a console.

The only reason I own a 360 is because I was utterly captivated by Dead Rising and knew I'd also love some of the other games out for the 360 at the time.  If I hadn't bought it then, I would have when Rock Band first started getting big (Rock Band specifically, not Guitar Hero).  Unfortunately it looks like rhythm games are pretty much dead, and with no backwards compatibility I can't even play them on new hardware.  I'll probably be in the same boat as you for quite some time, at least until something awesome drops.

Gordon Bennett: I use a 15" standard PAL television, so I never even considered a 360 or PS3.  I might step into this generation eventually but it's bound to be as a very late adopter after the games aren't available new and the servers may no longer be up. Which rather kills the Xbone right from the start.

The WiiU does look like it has potential to do something different. Otherwise I'll stick with the PC, older consoles and handhelds.


One of the reasons I started looking at a 360 was because it offered a VGA adapter, which let me use it on my gigantic CRT monitor.  I'm sure this round of consoles will be offering similar adapters, not to mention how easy it is to turn HDMI into DVI.  If your computer monitor has multiple inputs then you don't have to buy a new TV.  Just a thought.
 
2013-06-13 04:03:21 PM

yukichigai: Yes, how dare we have the unbridled temerity to point out the gaping, bleeding bullethole that the Xbone put in its own foot.


You mean the gun that Microsoft is aiming at its foot.
 
2013-06-13 04:05:50 PM
#dealwithit
 
2013-06-13 04:07:00 PM

kronicfeld: DanZero: img.photobucket.com

The Netflix thing is way too trivial to include there. Who doesn't already have ten devices to watch Netflix? Between TV apps, Blu-Ray players, Roku and the like, there are a ton of ways to get that on your TV without using your video game system.


my ps3 just bricked 2 weeks ago and I just ordered a roku box.  $150 for Sony to fix the ps3 btw.  I was really hoping for a price drop announcement at E3.  Or backwards compatibility.  Remember when consoles didn't break?
 
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