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(Think Progress)   Chief Justice Roberts calls for formal review of racist federal judge. No, not Scalia   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 146
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2013-06-13 11:13:38 AM
Good.
 
2013-06-13 11:15:30 AM
Headline made me smile and sigh at the same time.
 
2013-06-13 11:20:10 AM
Stupid cracker.
 
2013-06-13 11:21:23 AM
Responding to complaints?  They do that?
 
2013-06-13 11:21:37 AM
Yeah, that judge is screwed.
 
2013-06-13 11:24:44 AM
Wow.
 
2013-06-13 11:25:24 AM

Alphax: Responding to complaints?  They do that?


Among other things, the Supreme Court has oversight over judicial conduct and ethics for all Article III judges.
 
2013-06-13 11:25:57 AM

Alphax: Responding to complaints?  They do that?


That's part of their job.  And as noted, it's considered very unusual for him to remark publicly about this.
 
2013-06-13 11:26:10 AM
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What a charming looking woman.
 
2013-06-13 11:26:43 AM
Judge racist would have made a good comic book movie.

/better than the stallone judge dredd anyway
//finally saw the new dredd
///was awesome
 
2013-06-13 11:29:11 AM
Despite initial fears, it looks as if Roberts is, no shiat, doing his job. It is nice to have an honest-to-god somewhat impartial Chief Justice.
 
2013-06-13 11:34:05 AM
What is her Fark tag? There are so many people out here everyday advocating that same position.
 
2013-06-13 11:40:24 AM
In before the "This is political correctness run amok derp derpderp!" crowd...
 
2013-06-13 11:47:46 AM

JolobinSmokin: //finally saw the new dredd
///was awesome


Understatement of the year. If that movie doesn't get a sequel I'm going postal.
 
2013-06-13 11:49:39 AM

JolobinSmokin: Judge racist would have made a good comic book movie.

/better than the stallone judge dredd anyway
//finally saw the new dredd
///was awesome


Looking forward to a sequel. News Bones was a good New Dredd.
 
2013-06-13 11:49:58 AM

Alphax: Responding to complaints?  They do that?


I'm actually impressed. Roberts appears to not be a completely partisan hack
 
2013-06-13 12:11:37 PM

RexTalionis: Yeah, that judge is screwed.


In trouble, yes. But screwed? What sanctions can the committee impose, short of referring the report on the Judge to the House with a recommendation for impeachment?

MFAWG: Roberts appears to not be a completely partisan hack


Which seems likely to be another black mark against him for conservatives.
 
2013-06-13 12:14:09 PM

Alphax: Responding to complaints?  They do that?


Yep. Right to petition for redress of grievances, judicial power, and all that. It's rare for the Justices to intervene personally like this, but they can.
 
2013-06-13 12:29:41 PM

abb3w: In trouble, yes. But screwed? What sanctions can the committee impose, short of referring the report on the Judge to the House with a recommendation for impeachment?


At the worst case? They can ask her to resign.
 
2013-06-13 12:32:04 PM
Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.
 
2013-06-13 12:32:49 PM

abb3w: MFAWG: Roberts appears to not be a completely partisan hack

Which seems likely to be another black mark against him for conservatives.


Conservatives Yesterday: Obama's packing the courts with partisans!

Conservatives Today:  Why isn't Roberts acting the way we conservatives demand?
 
2013-06-13 12:38:58 PM
Roberts is just laying goundwork for his attack on Sonia 'Wise Latina' Sotomayor.
 
2013-06-13 12:41:08 PM

varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.


Your comment is ignorant and repugnant, but I would like to learn more about this cow towing thing. What kind of hitch do you need for that?
 
2013-06-13 12:45:47 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Roberts is just laying goundwork for his attack on Sonia 'Wise Latina' Sotomayor.


Interestingly enough, Supreme Court Justices are technically not bound by the Code of Judicial Conduct for the Federal Judiciary.
 
2013-06-13 12:50:12 PM

un4gvn666: JolobinSmokin: //finally saw the new dredd
///was awesome

Understatement of the year. If that movie doesn't get a sequel I'm going postal.


Saw that last year, regret not seeing it in the theaters.  Was very surprised that I didn't hear better things about that movie.
 
2013-06-13 12:50:39 PM

RexTalionis: At the worst case? They can ask her to resign.


To which she can just say "hell no", devolving to "send it to the House".
Anything else?
 
2013-06-13 12:55:04 PM
I thought the issue had been settled when someone wrote a blog post saying "nuh-uh, did not."
 
2013-06-13 12:56:21 PM

varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.


Let's say every part of your unhinged racist rant is true. Can you understand why a judge shouldn't be saying such things?
 
2013-06-13 12:57:41 PM

propasaurus: I thought the issue had been settled when someone wrote a blog post saying "nuh-uh, did not."


But there was new evidence presented in the counter blog post saying "uh-uh, did so"
 
2013-06-13 01:02:46 PM
api.ning.com
 
2013-06-13 01:05:03 PM

HotWingConspiracy: varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.

Let's say every part of your unhinged racist rant is true. Can you understand why a judge shouldn't be saying such things?


Honestly, I thought he just trolled abortion threads.
 
2013-06-13 01:24:20 PM

Satanic_Hamster: as noted, it's considered very unusual for him to remark publicly about this


. . . or actually do anything about it.
 
2013-06-13 01:24:34 PM
The fact that the Chief Justice transferred this frivolous complaint to a different circuit is insignificant.  The 5th Circuit asked the Chief Justice to do that.  That doesn't mean that he thinks that the complaint has any merit.
 
2013-06-13 01:27:13 PM

SkinnyHead: The fact that the Chief Justice transferred this frivolous complaint to a different circuit is insignificant.  The 5th Circuit asked the Chief Justice to do that.  That doesn't mean that he thinks that the complaint has any merit.


That's pretty lukewarm for you.  I guess you're trying it out with a soft entry and then ramp up to see if there's bites?
 
2013-06-13 01:32:37 PM

Mercutio74: SkinnyHead: The fact that the Chief Justice transferred this frivolous complaint to a different circuit is insignificant.  The 5th Circuit asked the Chief Justice to do that.  That doesn't mean that he thinks that the complaint has any merit.

That's pretty lukewarm for you.  I guess you're trying it out with a soft entry and then ramp up to see if there's bites?


You have to wait for a tug on the line before you can set the hook.
 
2013-06-13 01:34:17 PM

SkinnyHead: The fact that the Chief Justice transferred this frivolous complaint to a different circuit is insignificant.  The 5th Circuit asked the Chief Justice to do that.  That doesn't mean that he thinks that the complaint has any merit.


I'm curious as to why you would characterize the complaint as "frivolous".

I think it almost goes without saying that one of, if not the most important traits a judge possesses is impartiality. And yet here we have a judge that has admitted out loud that she views blacks and Hispanics as being predisposed to violent crime - prima facie evidence of her lack of impartiality.
 
2013-06-13 01:41:23 PM
HotWingConspiracy: Let's say every part of your unhinged racist rant is true. Can you understand why a judge shouldn't be saying such things?

Because Federal Judges are supposed to be "fair and impartial". Doesn't make what she said any less true, however. Can you understand why a judge should be allowed to speak the truth?

Satanic_Hamster: Honestly, I thought he just trolled abortion threads.

Wow, you must be an old timer on Fark, I haven't been in an abortion thread in years. After seeing how deranged the majority of the pro choice folks are, I have come to the conclusion that if you want to kill your babies and end your line, you should be allowed to. Social Darwinism and all that.
 
2013-06-13 01:52:32 PM

varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.


I see you are a crazy person.
 
2013-06-13 01:58:14 PM
The optimist in me thinks that maybe Bush's most positive accomplishment is appointing Chief Roberts.
 
2013-06-13 02:01:09 PM

varmitydog: Doesn't make what she said any less true, however.


That black people are predisposed to crime?
 
2013-06-13 02:04:00 PM

threedingers: SkinnyHead: The fact that the Chief Justice transferred this frivolous complaint to a different circuit is insignificant.  The 5th Circuit asked the Chief Justice to do that.  That doesn't mean that he thinks that the complaint has any merit.

I'm curious as to why you would characterize the complaint as "frivolous".

I think it almost goes without saying that one of, if not the most important traits a judge possesses is impartiality. And yet here we have a judge that has admitted out loud that she views blacks and Hispanics as being predisposed to violent crime - prima facie evidence of her lack of impartiality.


From what I've read, the complaint accuses her of making those remarks while discussing the legality of the death penalty.  Opponents of the death penalty point to the disproportionate number of minorities in prison and on death row to support an argument that the criminal justice system is racist.  The contrary argument asserts that those disproportionate numbers do not prove racism, but can be explained by the the fact that some groups may commit more crimes that others.  The charge is frivolous because it attempts to enforce half-debate, making it misconduct for a judge to dispute the claim that the justice system is racist.
 
2013-06-13 02:07:20 PM

varmitydog: Wow, you must be an old timer on Fark, I haven't been in an abortion thread in years. After seeing how deranged the majority of the pro choice folks are, I have come to the conclusion that if you want to kill your babies and end your line, you should be allowed to. Social Darwinism and all that.


I'm just saying it's commendable you've evolved to the point where you can be pro-racism.
 
2013-06-13 02:10:37 PM

BMulligan: varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.

Your comment is ignorant and repugnant, but I would like to learn more about this cow towing thing. What kind of hitch do you need for that?


Apparently, FBI crime statistics are also "ignorant and repugnant".
 
2013-06-13 02:14:34 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: BMulligan: varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.

Your comment is ignorant and repugnant, but I would like to learn more about this cow towing thing. What kind of hitch do you need for that?

Apparently, FBI crime statistics are also "ignorant and repugnant".


The crime statics? No. The interpretation of those statics being "racial groups like African-Americans and Hispanics are predisposed to crime" is ignorant and repugnant.
 
2013-06-13 02:16:26 PM

max_pooper: BraveNewCheneyWorld: BMulligan: varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.

Your comment is ignorant and repugnant, but I would like to learn more about this cow towing thing. What kind of hitch do you need for that?

Apparently, FBI crime statistics are also "ignorant and repugnant".

The crime statics? No. The interpretation of those statics being "racial groups like African-Americans and Hispanics are predisposed to crime" is ignorant and repugnant.


Why? Citations will be required in your proof.
 
2013-06-13 02:25:55 PM

BMulligan: varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.

Your comment is ignorant and repugnant, but I would like to learn more about this cow towing thing. What kind of hitch do you need for that?


Actually the comment was spot-on, but no one wants to admit it. There is a disproportionate number of crimes in black and latino communities. Does that mean they're predisposed to crime? I don't know. But how would you explain the disproportionate statistics? And give me an actual, logical reason, even if it's just a theory.
 
2013-06-13 02:26:45 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: max_pooper: BraveNewCheneyWorld: BMulligan: varmitydog: Serious Black : Stupid cracker.

Yes, one has to wonder how she ever got so far advanced in the legal field without cow towing to political correctness. Even though "white flight" from black and Hispanic areas is a very real thing, and the blacks and Hispanics dominate the crime statistics and the jails because of their cultural bias towards machismo, she should know better than to attempt to speak the truth. This is a time of universal deceit in the government of the USA, and speaking truth to the status quo of political correctness is a revolutionary act. They will no doubt attempt to break this woman to make sure that no such truth against their insane dogma emerges again.

Your comment is ignorant and repugnant, but I would like to learn more about this cow towing thing. What kind of hitch do you need for that?

Apparently, FBI crime statistics are also "ignorant and repugnant".

The crime statics? No. The interpretation of those statics being "racial groups like African-Americans and Hispanics are predisposed to crime" is ignorant and repugnant.

Why? Citations will be required in your proof.


Well, for one, the statistics almost certainly do not control for socioeconomic status. I believe an ANOVA test would show that poor people commit more crimes than rich people and that SES is way more powerful than ethnicity.

For another, studies of things like NYC's Stop and Frisk policy have shown that a higher ratio of stops of white people reveal illegally owned drugs and guns than stops of black people.

For a third, we vastly under-charge white collar crime like fraudulently rating junk-status mortgage-backed securities as AAA-rated that is perpetrated by whites more than blacks.
 
2013-06-13 02:29:47 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Why? Citations will be required in your proof.


Because correlation does not equal causation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_causation

It's up to YOU to prove that dirt poor whites are less likely to be criminals than dirt poor blacks and that Obummer's daughters are more likely to be criminals than Dubya's.  And prove that blacks and whites get caught at an equal rate or at least take that into account in the statistics.
 
2013-06-13 02:37:37 PM

varmitydog: Wow, you must be an old timer on Fark, I haven't been in an abortion thread in years. After seeing how deranged the majority of the pro choice folks are, I have come to the conclusion that if you want to kill your babies and end your line, you should be allowed to. Social Darwinism and all that.


I guess it should warm the cockles of your heart to know that, thanks to pro-lifers, fewer and fewer black and HIspanic babies get aborted.
 
2013-06-13 02:38:23 PM

SkinnyHead: threedingers: SkinnyHead: The fact that the Chief Justice transferred this frivolous complaint to a different circuit is insignificant.  The 5th Circuit asked the Chief Justice to do that.  That doesn't mean that he thinks that the complaint has any merit.

I'm curious as to why you would characterize the complaint as "frivolous".

I think it almost goes without saying that one of, if not the most important traits a judge possesses is impartiality. And yet here we have a judge that has admitted out loud that she views blacks and Hispanics as being predisposed to violent crime - prima facie evidence of her lack of impartiality.

From what I've read, the complaint accuses her of making those remarks while discussing the legality of the death penalty.  Opponents of the death penalty point to the disproportionate number of minorities in prison and on death row to support an argument that the criminal justice system is racist.  The contrary argument asserts that those disproportionate numbers do not prove racism, but can be explained by the the fact that some groups may commit more crimes that others.  The charge is frivolous because it attempts to enforce half-debate, making it misconduct for a judge to dispute the claim that the justice system is racist.


If there were any evidence that her claim were true then you might have a point. She has made the leap from incarceration rates to a racial generalization without any basis in fact.

As it turns out there is a direct correlation between substance abuse and violent crime, and as counter-intuitive as it may be, the rate of drug use among whites is almost twice that of blacks, and about 25% higher than among hispanics (link).

Put another way, if the debate is over whether the school system has institutional issues that lead to blacks having a lower graduation rate and my argument is that blacks are just mentally inferior, am I being a racist douche or am I merely "debating"?
 
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