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2013-06-13 01:33:21 PM
Um curtains?  You know those things they invented like thousands of years ago to prevent things like light, wind, prying eyes from getting through?  Or you could be like me and not care if someone wants to look at your fat arse waddling around the house naked.
 
2013-06-13 01:40:17 PM
We use a couple for property managers and realtors.

I would say if you are dumb enough to shoot one down, go ahead and punch your state into
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/
I'm sure our attorney would love to make some extra bucks.

And if you're even dumber?  Check this one out too.
http://assault.lawyers.com/Assault-and-Battery.html
 
2013-06-13 01:46:01 PM

akula: While I'd love to use my skeet skills on one of those (if I had such a douchey neighbor), in an actual neighborhood that's not really responsible.

I do wonder if that wasp spray that shoots 25' or so would fark up one of those things. A garden hose very likely would.


I'm wondering if some rock salt instead of buck shot might do the trick?
 
2013-06-13 01:48:31 PM
OK, these drones you talking about... where can I get one?
 
2013-06-13 01:53:19 PM
Engage whisper mode.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-13 01:53:27 PM
Leaf blower.
 
2013-06-13 01:53:27 PM

remus: akula: While I'd love to use my skeet skills on one of those (if I had such a douchey neighbor), in an actual neighborhood that's not really responsible.

I do wonder if that wasp spray that shoots 25' or so would fark up one of those things. A garden hose very likely would.

I'm wondering if some rock salt instead of buck shot might do the trick?


Could be, but I was even thinking something like #9 bird shot. Over 20-30 yards it would definitely have enough punch to rip one of those to shreds. Still, the noise and potential landing area of the shot is not under my control, which is enough for me to not want to do it. A garden hose, on the other hand, would likely be effective at downing the thing. Depending on how close it is my pressure washer might well cut the thing in half.

ZzeusS: We use a couple for property managers and realtors.

I would say if you are dumb enough to shoot one down, go ahead and punch your state into
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/
I'm sure our attorney would love to make some extra bucks.

And if you're even dumber?  Check this one out too.
http://assault.lawyers.com/Assault-and-Battery.html


If you have control over the property you're surveilling, you're fine. Nobody's talking about such measures taken against drones that remain over your own property. When you're hovering around somebody else's property without authorization you deserve what you receive.
 
2013-06-13 01:53:46 PM

ZzeusS: We use a couple for property managers and realtors.

I would say if you are dumb enough to shoot one down, go ahead and punch your state into
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/
I'm sure our attorney would love to make some extra bucks.

And if you're even dumber?  Check this one out too.
http://assault.lawyers.com/Assault-and-Battery.html


If it comes onto my private property I'll do as I damn well please to it, and if you decide to sue or press charges, that's a two way street.  Invasion of privacy, criminal trespass, disturbing the peace, harassment, etc.

However, as a geeky type, my solution to this is much more... eloquent.  I have a lot of RC gear.  I also have an unlocked RF band transceiver connected to a laptop.  I can scan, find and jam your control frequency.  (yes, even the hoppers)  Meanwhile, while you can't control it, your drone is going to have an accident with my drone, which just happens to be made entirely of aluminum and aimed directly at your floating photography platform.

The law hasn't been decided just yet, but it's entirely likely that trespass will be applied to the operator of the drone.  We'll see.

/I fly, drive, etc a lot of RC vehicles, including some drones.
//never ever on private property without permission
///you're a coont.
 
2013-06-13 01:57:31 PM

ZzeusS: We use a couple for property managers and realtors.

I would say if you are dumb enough to shoot one down, go ahead and punch your state into
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/
I'm sure our attorney would love to make some extra bucks.

And if you're even dumber?  Check this one out too.
http://assault.lawyers.com/Assault-and-Battery.html


Yeah, you sound tough, but if you use one of your drones to spy on me I get to shoot it.  And you will never prove it was me.
 
2013-06-13 01:58:34 PM
Just tell him you lost control over your 12 ga. shotgun and it accidentially shot his toy down.
 
2013-06-13 01:58:57 PM

traylor: OK, these drones you talking about... where can I get one?


Just disable your ad blocker, then pop in and out of this thread a few time.
 
2013-06-13 02:00:11 PM

akula: remus: akula: While I'd love to use my skeet skills on one of those (if I had such a douchey neighbor), in an actual neighborhood that's not really responsible.

I do wonder if that wasp spray that shoots 25' or so would fark up one of those things. A garden hose very likely would.

I'm wondering if some rock salt instead of buck shot might do the trick?

Could be, but I was even thinking something like #9 bird shot. Over 20-30 yards it would definitely have enough punch to rip one of those to shreds. Still, the noise and potential landing area of the shot is not under my control, which is enough for me to not want to do it. A garden hose, on the other hand, would likely be effective at downing the thing. Depending on how close it is my pressure washer might well cut the thing in half.

ZzeusS: We use a couple for property managers and realtors.

I would say if you are dumb enough to shoot one down, go ahead and punch your state into
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/
I'm sure our attorney would love to make some extra bucks.

And if you're even dumber?  Check this one out too.
http://assault.lawyers.com/Assault-and-Battery.html

If you have control over the property you're surveilling, you're fine. Nobody's talking about such measures taken against drones that remain over your own property. When you're hovering around somebody else's property without authorization you deserve what you receive.


You can get rubber shot that should be just the ticket.  Just break the props and bye bye.

Or - Anything that can throw a loop of string or wire across it would foul the props.
 
2013-06-13 02:03:46 PM

noitsnot: You can get rubber shot that should be just the ticket.  Just break the props and bye bye.

Or - Anything that can throw a loop of string or wire across it would foul the props.


Heck, even a snakeshot load out of something like a .38spl would be sufficient. But again, if the trajectory would have pellets leaving your own yard I'd recommend against it. Wire or some kind of net, though, that would be quite effective. I have a travel laundry sack that is plastic mesh; it would jam those props solid. Then I can introduce it to Mr. Sledgehammer.
 
2013-06-13 02:04:14 PM
Couldn't a pointer laser kill the camera?
 
2013-06-13 02:04:22 PM
Need some new laws on these things. $100,000 and 10 yrs sounds like a good start.
 
2013-06-13 02:05:17 PM
butterfly nets.
then toss it in a microwave
 
2013-06-13 02:06:30 PM
It's a shame he's using a quad copter like a total noob. He should at least be using a decent Blade copter with pitch control. Geez.
 
2013-06-13 02:09:14 PM
What's with all this ITG talk in here?  There are simpler solutions to this mess.

If anyone peeps in my windows with a spy drone, they're going to see a pasty white nerd doing such horrifying things with oatmeal, lube, animal crackers and a life sized cardboard cutout of George C. Scott that they'll never want to look in anyone's windows again.
 
2013-06-13 02:11:05 PM

TwowheelinTim: Somebody needs to come up with a pneumatic firearm that shoots a nice tight pattern of BBs. I'm thinking something in the realm of a paintball gun. Hmmm.


so a shotgun with rock salt?
TADA
 
2013-06-13 02:12:49 PM
Silly String would probably throw the rotors off-balance enough to cause maneuverability issues.
 
2013-06-13 02:13:00 PM

lewismarktwo: ZzeusS: We use a couple for property managers and realtors.

I would say if you are dumb enough to shoot one down, go ahead and punch your state into
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/
I'm sure our attorney would love to make some extra bucks.

And if you're even dumber?  Check this one out too.
http://assault.lawyers.com/Assault-and-Battery.html

Yeah, you sound tough, but if you use one of your drones to spy on me I get to shoot it.  And you will never prove it was me.


strangely enough
if they prove that it was you, by using their spy video/pictures, you get to subpoena all of their digital records, because you know, you have to prove that they have other illegal pictures of you ...

and with the pic, they incriminate themselves ...
LOL
 
2013-06-13 02:13:56 PM

theusercomponent: Silly String would probably throw the rotors off-balance enough to cause maneuverability issues.


and crashing
 
2013-06-13 02:16:20 PM
No need to get all ITG on this. A lightweight net with some fishing weights on the corners would do the trick. Just throw it at the offending 'copter and it will tangle up the blades, taking it out cleanly without damaging it (much - most 'copters of this type have folding blades.)

Want something to take one down at some distance? Maybe use one of these.

Now, as far as I'm concerned, if the thing lands on my property it's mine. I could be nice about it and let you have it back if you weren't / aren't being a dick about it, but if you go there... *you* explain to the nice sheriff what you were doing with said camera drone. Yeah, go ahead, I'll wait.
 
2013-06-13 02:16:30 PM
If it's flying at window height, just throw a handful of gravel up.  Those little plastic blades will bust up or it will lose enough control that it will come down.  No need to shoot it down with a shotgun.  Grab your kiddo's nerf football.  If you still feel the urge to be all ITG take it to a controled range where it doesn't matter if you want to pump deer slugs into the thing.
 
2013-06-13 02:17:37 PM
Rule 34: www.neighbordronecam.com see what you have been missing (NSFW) 18 and over only
 
2013-06-13 02:17:53 PM

ColSanders: Engage whisper mode.

[BlueThunder.jpg]


/satisfied
 
2013-06-13 02:19:00 PM
What "defense" is required, other than a steady hand and a BB gun? If it's operating in my yard below my roofline and I cannot see the operator, I have every right to assume that it's trespassing and, yes, I'll be happy to blow it out of the air.

One of two things will occur - either the operator will show up and complain, at which point I will have a face and a name to attach to the erstwhile trespasser and I can deal with it from there, or the operator won't show up, at which point the "drone" goes in the trash.

 If it's higher than the roofline, then I call the cops - I live near an airport.
 
2013-06-13 02:19:31 PM
And another idea...

img134.imageshack.us

Relax, it's just a pellet gun. Probably costs more than the hovering drone.
 
2013-06-13 02:21:57 PM

Loadmaster: Relax, it's just a pellet gun. Probably costs more than the hovering drone.


Somebody put a lot of useless crap on a pellet gun. With all that weight on there it would be pretty hard to actually hit anything with it too.
 
2013-06-13 02:25:45 PM
Some of these operate on the 2.4 GHz WiFi band. Engage countermeasures: a WiFi jammer. 10 watts ought to do it.
 
2013-06-13 02:26:49 PM

akula: noitsnot: You can get rubber shot that should be just the ticket.  Just break the props and bye bye.

Or - Anything that can throw a loop of string or wire across it would foul the props.

Heck, even a snakeshot load out of something like a .38spl would be sufficient. But again, if the trajectory would have pellets leaving your own yard I'd recommend against it. Wire or some kind of net, though, that would be quite effective. I have a travel laundry sack that is plastic mesh; it would jam those props solid. Then I can introduce it to Mr. Sledgehammer.


I was thinking, what about a paintball gun that fired ice? Not sure how possible that would be, but the evidence would melt pretty quickly.
 
2013-06-13 02:27:46 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 02:29:45 PM

remus: Another easy idea comes to mind...


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For the drone or the operator?  In this case, both answers are acceptable to me.
 
2013-06-13 02:33:26 PM
If you're going to go hardcore, do it right.  Flame thrower...  I, myself, prefer to keep it simple - throw a pile of loose yarn or string at it - free 10 second aerobatic display followed by the most satisfying crash you'll ever purposely cause in your life!
 
2013-06-13 02:34:14 PM

Loadmaster: And another idea...

[img134.imageshack.us image 422x356]

Relax, it's just a pellet gun. Probably costs more than the hovering drone.


Why do you even need a tactical light on that?  Also, you might as well use an airsoft rifle.  It'll take down those drones fast.

ecx.images-amazon.com
about $54 on Amazon.
 
2013-06-13 02:35:28 PM
Come to town, operate cheap drones in an anonymous, offensive, manner.  Have drone-killer black box for sale to rubes.  Move on to next town (profit).

/real items won't fly - they'll creep into position on little gecko-like feet...
//until then?  Rocket nets (no reason to harm resalable/ransom-able equipment)
 
2013-06-13 02:36:43 PM
Any drone flying over my airspace will be terminated.
 
2013-06-13 02:37:26 PM

Gabrielmot: akula: noitsnot: You can get rubber shot that should be just the ticket.  Just break the props and bye bye.

Or - Anything that can throw a loop of string or wire across it would foul the props.

Heck, even a snakeshot load out of something like a .38spl would be sufficient. But again, if the trajectory would have pellets leaving your own yard I'd recommend against it. Wire or some kind of net, though, that would be quite effective. I have a travel laundry sack that is plastic mesh; it would jam those props solid. Then I can introduce it to Mr. Sledgehammer.

I was thinking, what about a paintball gun that fired ice? Not sure how possible that would be, but the evidence would melt pretty quickly.


Just fire paintballs.  In most places, that's not illegal.  It'll be more than enough to down the drone.

Keep in mind guys, most of these drones are operating within a hair of their maximum lifting weight.  It doesn't take a whole lot to knock them down.

A string with a fishing weight on it is more than enough in most cases.  Anything that hits even just one rotor will stop it cold, and the drone will crash shortly.

Also, these things are not cheap, the ones used for photography are 600$ and up PLUS the cost of a good camera.  I'm thinking ransom it back to the owner/operator.
 
2013-06-13 02:37:43 PM

PsyLord: remus: Another easy idea comes to mind...


[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 259x194]

For the drone or the operator?  In this case, both answers are acceptable to me.


I'd say first shot into the drone.  Listen for the crying and gnashing of teeth to find the operator.  Then follow up with one in the arse to the operator.
 
2013-06-13 02:39:11 PM
I love the equal mix of Farkers who are praying someone will fly one of these in their general neighborhood so they can whip out their shotgun on a little RC copter, and Farkers who can't comprehend a slippery slope and think 'well I'm a fat loser with blinds, there's NO scenario where this shouldn't be totally fine', who surely don't have children who aren't quite able to close blinds or whatever.

Legislation will have to address this so you do have legal recourse and the bounds are clearly defined about where you could fly a thing and what you can film, because they're about to be commonplace. Reminds me of the big fiasco about those long-distance Kate Middleton photos and other public vs. privacy issues when long-distance photography comes into play.
 
2013-06-13 02:39:51 PM

Sybarite: By the time I knocked on their door to ask permission to retrieve it they'd discovered the drone and were holding it captive under a pot in the kitchen.

That's funny.


It is.  I think I'd probably keep it safe in a nice warm oven, though.
 
2013-06-13 02:41:04 PM
Another easy idea comes to mind...

My thoughts exactly, 12 gauge, #8 shot, as they look to be about the size of a quail.

//problem solved..
 
2013-06-13 02:42:33 PM
Screw the shotgun nonsense.  That's a free RC for the taking, shooting it up is just a waste.
 
2013-06-13 02:43:56 PM

Kahabut: Gabrielmot: akula: noitsnot: You can get rubber shot that should be just the ticket.  Just break the props and bye bye.

Or - Anything that can throw a loop of string or wire across it would foul the props.

Heck, even a snakeshot load out of something like a .38spl would be sufficient. But again, if the trajectory would have pellets leaving your own yard I'd recommend against it. Wire or some kind of net, though, that would be quite effective. I have a travel laundry sack that is plastic mesh; it would jam those props solid. Then I can introduce it to Mr. Sledgehammer.

I was thinking, what about a paintball gun that fired ice? Not sure how possible that would be, but the evidence would melt pretty quickly.

Just fire paintballs.  In most places, that's not illegal.  It'll be more than enough to down the drone.

Keep in mind guys, most of these drones are operating within a hair of their maximum lifting weight.  It doesn't take a whole lot to knock them down.

A string with a fishing weight on it is more than enough in most cases.  Anything that hits even just one rotor will stop it cold, and the drone will crash shortly.

Also, these things are not cheap, the ones used for photography are 600$ and up PLUS the cost of a good camera.  I'm thinking ransom it back to the owner/operator.


snl.jt.org
It's on my property, it's mine now.
 
2013-06-13 02:44:13 PM

Crewmannumber6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CR5y8qZf0Y


Skynet awakens.
 
2013-06-13 02:45:02 PM

toraque: What's with all this ITG talk in here?  There are simpler solutions to this mess.

If anyone peeps in my windows with a spy drone, they're going to see a pasty white nerd doing such horrifying things with oatmeal, lube, animal crackers and a life sized cardboard cutout of George C. Scott that they'll never want to look in anyone's windows again.


Go on...
 
2013-06-13 02:49:19 PM

Electromax: Reminds me of the big fiasco about those long-distance Kate Middleton photos and other public vs. privacy issues when long-distance photography comes into play.


At least with long distance photography the person has to have a clear line of sight from their position (in a presumably legal location) to you. With a drone they can position the photographic platform in a place that would traditionally be unreachable. For example, if a woman might sunbathe partially or completely nude in a fenced location that cannot be seen from elsewhere, a long distance photo shot is not going to happen. For someone to climb a ladder over the fence is a clear trespassing violation. Hover a drone over the fence, what was not visible is now visible. If the drone crosses the property line, that's also a real consideration. In TFA there's someone saying that a drone was hovering outside a window of a home. An RC aircraft is becoming the new telephoto lens, only it's one that's harder to counteract short of staying inside with curtains shut all the time.

I agree that legislation will likely have to catch up with this, but for now it doesn't really appear that it has.
 
2013-06-13 02:50:25 PM

that was my nickname in highschool: Leaf blower.


At long last, an excusable reason to have a leaf blower.
 
2013-06-13 02:51:41 PM
I would love to engage any encroaching drones with my own dedicated air superiority hunter drone ... the dogfights would be glorious!
 
2013-06-13 02:54:26 PM
Paint gun would do just fine. You're not gonna miss with the burst rate on those things.
 
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