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2013-06-13 12:26:16 PM

graeth: self inflicted in the.....chest......rrrrrriiiiiiiiiight....


Not uncommon actually.

And for all of you thinking the Mafia may be involved in this:  the mob in Philly has been a shadow of their
former shelves ever since the 1990s.  They can barely fix parking tickets these days.
 
2013-06-13 12:27:08 PM

umad: /we are playing "Let's point out the obvious", right?


Apparently we are:

MBrady: The guy inspected buildings, not drug test the operator of the crane/ball that was knocking the building down.

 
2013-06-13 12:28:04 PM
Aww man! I wanted something more Dwyer-esque with his suicide!

/And then see it every half hour on CNN Headline News
 
2013-06-13 12:43:16 PM

namegoeshere: Really? Did anyone think this guy was not on drugs?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]
/HOT (the pic, not this guy)


Hey, Crabman.
 
2013-06-13 12:45:54 PM

Flab: Not only did he give the go ahead, he went back after people complained and reported no violations.


When your violations get so bad that a layman bystander CALLS THE INSPECTOR to say "Good sir, I think something's awry with this operation and it requires your personal attention forthwith!" then you know it's pretty bad.

If he did his due diligence, there's nothing to feel guilty about.  You aren't responsible for how the operator behaves or how they go about their work.  You can tell them what to do, you can force a stop work order, but you can't hold their hand (or their blunt) while they're driving the crane.

My guess is that he saw violations that he considered minor at the time and figured that it didn't matter since the worst case scenario was that the building would come down, which was what they were there to do in the first place.  I'd also go so far as to say he was sick of the demo company farking around and decided that he'd let them take some equipment damage or an injury so they would get the message that it was supposed to be serious.

/Normally my code of ethics would require me to contact the inspector before talking, but he's dead so it's cool.
 
2013-06-13 01:01:11 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Gunshot to the chest? Good lord


I found it odd, too. Usually, it's the football players who go that route.
 
2013-06-13 01:02:03 PM

umad: umad: /we are playing "Let's point out the obvious", right?

Apparently we are:

MBrady: The guy inspected buildings, not drug test the operator of the crane/ball that was knocking the building down.


Wow.   Guess it's hard to imagine that two people are posting the same thing 3 minutes apart.  But I'm sure you never thought of that, did you jackass?
 
2013-06-13 01:02:18 PM

buckler: namegoeshere: Really? Did anyone think this guy was not on drugs?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]
/HOT (the pic, not this guy)

That's the crane operator who knocked the building over onto the thrift shop next door, not the inspector.


Yes I know. I RTFA and stuff.
 
2013-06-13 01:24:09 PM
This will be the subject of the portion of Philadelphia City Council who is up for reelection this year. Photo ops of news briefings where the hopefuls announcing City Council hearings into this tragic event. The lawmakers won't get rid of the "DROP" program that pays some city employees a lumpsum  cash payment upon retiring (in addition to receiving their city pension),

The inspector shot himself, they should have dropped a building on him.
 
2013-06-13 01:25:02 PM
I suppose this was preferable to being regularly sodomized in jail?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-13 01:34:55 PM

ole prophet: Fissile: Took one too many bribes.

Came here to say this.


Alternatively, Was one too many witnesses.
 
2013-06-13 02:23:48 PM

MBrady: Wow. Guess it's hard to imagine that two people are posting the same thing that was clearly spelled out in TFA 3 minutes apart. But I'm sure you never thought of that, did you jackass?


FTFY, jackass.
 
2013-06-13 02:30:34 PM

brantgoose: That's a shame.

And it probably wasn't his fault the building went down, given the record of both the company and the worker who turned himself in. Of course, it's a speculation that the two events were connected--perhaps his suicide had nothing to do with work.

I would suggest that in the future, vulnerable buildings like the thrift shop be closed during the critical stages of demolition.

It looks like the safety measures were inadequate--I didn't see any sign of fences or scaffolding to protect pedestrians from a falling brick, let alone a falling wall. Too much laissez-faire and not enough oversight and accountability.

Thank the gods they weren't using handguns to shoot the building down.


This tragedy and the Kermit Gosnell horror house were about 20 blocks apart.  Both indicators of what a horrible job Philly does as far as oversight and accountability goes.  But hey, the city gets 4% of my paycheck right off the top, just because my company chose to operate in Philly.  I wonder where that money goes?
 
2013-06-13 02:50:45 PM

Snakeophelia: But hey, the city gets 4% of my paycheck right off the top, just because my company chose to operate in Philly.  I wonder where that money goes?


Toynbee squares probably.
 
2013-06-13 02:51:26 PM

Snakeophelia: This tragedy and the Kermit Gosnell horror house were about 20 blocks apart. Both indicators of what a horrible job Philly does as far as oversight and accountability goes. But hey, the city gets 4% of my paycheck right off the top, just because my company chose to operate in Philly. I wonder where that money goes?


http://www.citycommittee.org/
 
2013-06-13 03:09:51 PM

Snakeophelia: But hey, the city gets 4% of my paycheck right off the top


That's why I switched to working from home.
 
2013-06-13 03:25:23 PM

theMagni: Flab: Not only did he give the go ahead, he went back after people complained and reported no violations.

When your violations get so bad that a layman bystander CALLS THE INSPECTOR to say "Good sir, I think something's awry with this operation and it requires your personal attention forthwith!" then you know it's pretty bad.

If he did his due diligence, there's nothing to feel guilty about.  You aren't responsible for how the operator behaves or how they go about their work.  You can tell them what to do, you can force a stop work order, but you can't hold their hand (or their blunt) while they're driving the crane.

My guess is that he saw violations that he considered minor at the time and figured that it didn't matter since the worst case scenario was that the building would come down, which was what they were there to do in the first place.  I'd also go so far as to say he was sick of the demo company farking around and decided that he'd let them take some equipment damage or an injury so they would get the message that it was supposed to be serious.

/Normally my code of ethics would require me to contact the inspector before talking, but he's dead so it's cool.


Could you elaborate into why a building inspector would be so important in all this?  Most of my understanding about a building inspector's job is to make sure what is being properly done during building or repairing the structure.  Or in cases to decide if a building can be saved or demolished.  This building was coming down, so what would his role be in this project?  As for safety of the crew OSHA would play a significant role, but is this guy a specific inspector that makes sure hazardous materials are properly disposed and things like that?
 
2013-06-13 03:58:26 PM

lack of warmth: Could you elaborate into why a building inspector would be so important in all this?  Most of my understanding about a building inspector's job is to make sure what is being properly done during building or repairing the structure.  Or in cases to decide if a building can be saved or demolished.  This building was coming down, so what would his role be in this project?  As for safety of the crew OSHA would play a significant role, but is this guy a specific inspector that makes sure hazardous materials are properly disposed and things like that?


Me too be curious. What are we mssing here?
 
2013-06-13 03:58:30 PM

Moodybastard: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom


Gunshot to the chest? Good lord


Sounds more like a mafia assisted suicide.

So he fell on to some bullets?


Down an elevator shaft onto them
 
2013-06-13 04:23:32 PM

DjangoStonereaver: graeth: self inflicted in the.....chest......rrrrrriiiiiiiiiight....

Not uncommon actually.


My best friend shot himself in the chest.
And then the shoulder.
And then the mouth.

While his new wife wasn't at her usual lunch hangout - she'd gone to a bookstore instead.

/not suspicious
//certain
 
2013-06-13 04:24:46 PM
Acceptable. His honor is restored.
 
2013-06-13 04:28:54 PM

lack of warmth: Could you elaborate into why a building inspector would be so important in all this?  Most of my understanding about a building inspector's job is to make sure what is being properly done during building or repairing the structure.  Or in cases to decide if a building can be saved or demolished.  This building was coming down, so what would his role be in this project?  As for safety of the crew OSHA would play a significant role, but is this guy a specific inspector that makes sure hazardous materials are properly disposed and things like that?


AlanSmithee: Me too be curious. What are we mssing here?


You know what?  I really don't know.  I agree that a lot is missing from this story.

My understanding is that he was the lead inspector.  Usually they only show up when things are totally pear-shaped and the rest of the team can't figure out what to do.  I only saw the lead engineer for one of the local cities out once, and that's when the drain for a park had to go through a water main.  He figured out how to do that.
 
2013-06-13 04:42:41 PM

Snakeophelia: brantgoose: That's a shame.

And it probably wasn't his fault the building went down, given the record of both the company and the worker who turned himself in. Of course, it's a speculation that the two events were connected--perhaps his suicide had nothing to do with work.

I would suggest that in the future, vulnerable buildings like the thrift shop be closed during the critical stages of demolition.

It looks like the safety measures were inadequate--I didn't see any sign of fences or scaffolding to protect pedestrians from a falling brick, let alone a falling wall. Too much laissez-faire and not enough oversight and accountability.

Thank the gods they weren't using handguns to shoot the building down.

This tragedy and the Kermit Gosnell horror house were about 20 blocks apart.  Both indicators of what a horrible job Philly does as far as oversight and accountability goes.  But hey, the city gets 4% of my paycheck right off the top, just because my company chose to operate in Philly.  I wonder where that money goes?


Offshore bank account.
 
2013-06-13 06:49:30 PM

umad: MBrady: Wow. Guess it's hard to imagine that two people are posting the same thing that was clearly spelled out in TFA 3 minutes apart. But I'm sure you never thought of that, did you jackass?

FTFY, jackass.


DNTFA jackass.

Go F yourself with your sister's dildoe - sideways
 
2013-06-13 07:04:47 PM

MBrady: DNTFA jackass.

Go F yourself with your sister's dildoe - sideways


You didn't even need to RTFA. The headline covers it too. I would tell you to go fark your sister, but you probably already do.

Jackass
 
2013-06-13 07:30:58 PM
If only police officers had this level of honor.
 
2013-06-13 09:57:06 PM

AlanSmithee: lack of warmth: Could you elaborate into why a building inspector would be so important in all this?  Most of my understanding about a building inspector's job is to make sure what is being properly done during building or repairing the structure.  Or in cases to decide if a building can be saved or demolished.  This building was coming down, so what would his role be in this project?  As for safety of the crew OSHA would play a significant role, but is this guy a specific inspector that makes sure hazardous materials are properly disposed and things like that?

Me too be curious. What are we mssing here?


Just conjecture, here:

There may have been buttresses and scaffolding required to prevent the exterior walls from falling as the interior was demolished.  Things that neede to be done in a certain order to prevent the excavator from knocking down support beams.  Netting or fences to catch falling bricks, etc...
 
2013-06-14 11:47:15 AM

umad: MBrady: DNTFA jackass.

Go F yourself with your sister's dildoe - sideways

You didn't even need to RTFA. The headline covers it too. I would tell you to go fark your sister, but you probably already do.

Jackass


Okay, we seem to have a consensus here.
 
2013-06-14 03:58:59 PM
In the 70's I spent over 7 years in the demolition business in the UK, leveling everything from thousands of old row houses built at the dawn of British industrialization to the old coal burning power stations and chemical plants built to support said communities. By the nature of the business it is extremely dangerous. Even with the assistance of engineers and other specialists it is virtually impossible to pre-think every potential problem or danger built into (or more importantly, removed from) any given structure over an extended period of time, prior to the actual demolition. Most of the time local building inspectors simply went with our recommendations based on the individual projects requirements and followed up to make sure we adhered to our pre-submitted plan of attack.
The single biggest problem I see with this particular situation is that the adjoining building was actually occupied and open to the public at all, whilst demolition was in progress. We could analyze any situation and structure and accurately determine exactly where every piece of the structure should land and or fall during the demolition process, and 99% of the time that is exactly what happened.
For safety though, 100% of the time we would clear any area around the site that could possibly be affected in any way at all, "just in case". Unfortunately this was not done in Philadelphia. I could not imagine myself working on a high (4 story) structure like this one, with people still inside a single story building adjacent, a couple of bricks alone could have broken through that roof from 30 feet above let alone the whole wall. I feel sorry for everyone involved in this mess.
 
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